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Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the first movie to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POV using current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

As an autorace movie I think it looks worse with every new trailer that I have seen. Racing on city streets (driver would be kicked off the team) and with no helmet or eye protection (lots of debris would come off front tires), racing on a banked oval in the rain, exaggerated crashes that reveal tube frame chassis, rookie test that has the driver trying to run over coins placed on the track, and racing action that looks like the cars were filmed going slow and the footage sped up to look fast. Seems like a lot of grit your teeth and mash the gas to go fast attitude of racing. Still this could be a great action movie for the none race enthusiast. I can not tell from the previews if the story is any good. They like to mostly just show the crashes and the women. I hope I am wrong and the movie is better than the previews. Lutrell "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on > Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the firstmovie > to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POVusing > current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down apeg... > > -------------------- > Sinjin > www.SinjinSolves.com > Your Guide to Success

>"Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote > Looks better with each new trailer. Looks worse with each review. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:22:18 -0700, Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >I saw the extended preview of Speedvision, and some of the special >effects looks so bogus it's incredible. Not only is the CGI stuff easy >to pick out because of it's sterile look, they also use it in >combination with scenes that defy the laws of physics making it even >more glaring. > >Not sure if it's possible for a racing movie to surpass Days Of >Thunder on the crap scale, but this one might do it. > >Tim

Hello, Driven is an action movie with a big audience target, and not a historically accurate documentary. What did you expect, GPL physics? :) Andre

"Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Not sure if it's possible for a racing movie to surpass Days Of > Thunder on the crap scale, but this one might do it. > But on the upside, Days of Thunder/Top Gun 2 made NASCAR look somewhat entertaining. If Driven can raise the awareness of CART to the same level, then it will be a good thing.

Top Gun 2 ??? -Larry "Drew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PZdG6.3287$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Not sure if it's possible for a racing movie to surpass Days Of > > Thunder on the crap scale, but this one might do it. > > > > But on the upside, Days of Thunder/Top Gun 2 made NASCAR look somewhat > entertaining. If Driven can raise the awareness of CART to the same

level, > then it will be a good thing. > >

I saw the extended preview of Speedvision, and some of the special effects looks so bogus it's incredible. Not only is the CGI stuff easy to pick out because of it's sterile look, they also use it in combination with scenes that defy the laws of physics making it even more glaring. Not sure if it's possible for a racing movie to surpass Days Of Thunder on the crap scale, but this one might do it. Tim On 27 Apr 2001 04:51:39 GMT, [email hidden] (Sinjin) wrote:

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>Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on >Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the first movie >to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POV using >current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... > >-------------------- >Sinjin >www.SinjinSolves.com >Your Guide to Success

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lreG6.26775$[email hidden]... > Top Gun 2 ??? >I think you should read it like: Days of Thunder = Top Gun 2

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> > > > But on the upside, Days of Thunder/Top Gun 2 made NASCAR look somewhat > > entertaining. If Driven can raise the awareness of CART to the same > level, > > then it will be a good thing. > > > > > >

[email hidden] (Sinjin) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new >footage on Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this >will be the first movie to put you into the cockpit to experience >the ride from the drivers POV using current SFX technology. Looks >like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... Hate to be so cynical, but then hollywood has conditioned me to be that way. The more trailers I see the less I want to see this film. The action looks over the top and the story thin. I agree with the people who say it's going to be right up there/down there with Days of Thunder. Might appeal to the guy who's looking for a good truck crash movie, but would settle for a good Cart crash movie ;-) -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -12.11 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

Ah, that makes sense :) -Larry "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I believe he was referring to Days of Thunder as Top Gun 2 because it > was basically the same story line -- Tom Cruise was just a racecar > driver instead of a pilot. Got me for a minute too ;-) > > Todd Walker > twalker at jam dot rr dot com > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:25:37 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Top Gun 2 ??? > > > >-Larry > > > >"Drew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:PZdG6.3287$[email hidden]... > >> > >> "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > > >> > > >> > Not sure if it's possible for a racing movie to surpass Days Of > >> > Thunder on the crap scale, but this one might do it. > >> > > >> > >> But on the upside, Days of Thunder/Top Gun 2 made NASCAR look somewhat > >> entertaining. If Driven can raise the awareness of CART to the same > >level, > >> then it will be a good thing. > >> > >> > > >

"Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90907F8D8dscurlock@news...

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> [email hidden] (Sinjin) wrote in > <[email hidden]>: > > >Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new > >footage on Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this > >will be the first movie to put you into the cockpit to experience > >the ride from the drivers POV using current SFX technology. Looks > >like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... > > Hate to be so cynical, but then hollywood has conditioned me to be > that way. The more trailers I see the less I want to see this film. > The action looks over the top and the story thin. I agree with the > people who say it's going to be right up there/down there with Days > of Thunder. Might appeal to the guy who's looking for a good truck > crash movie, but would settle for a good Cart crash movie ;-) > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > GPLRank -12.11 > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

I hate to be on Bernie's side on just about anything, but I bet when he sees this turkey he's going to be DAMN glad he booted Stallone the hell out of the paddock. KFG

> Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on > Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the firstmovie > to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POVusing > current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down apeg... Ugh, it looks awful, IMHO. From the first trailer on, the only thing that ran through my mind was the phrase "car-crash movie". The preview scene of Sly racing down the street sans helmet made me cringe, especially when the "manhole cover" bounced off the air intake (which by all rights should have shredded the car - anyone else remember when such a thing actually happened during a Group C race at Montreal?). The other night, I caught about five minutes of the HBO special on the making of this "masterpiece" (it was all I could stomach) and saw some of the most impossible (and stupid looking) crash sequences ever committed to film. When you combine this with the ominous words "Screenplay by Sylvester Stallone", I think you've got a movie that'll make Days of Thunder look like Spartacus. Of course that's just my opinion, I may be wrong... Theron Bretz Houston, TX

From all of the reviews I've seen, that's almost everybody's opinion. I haven't seen so much unanimity since the reviews for "Battlefield Earth". I was never planning to see it in the theatre, but I don't think I'll even spend the $3 to rent it... "Theron Bretz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > When you combine this with the > ominous words "Screenplay by Sylvester Stallone", I think you've got amovie > that'll make Days of Thunder look like Spartacus. > > Of course that's just my opinion, I may be wrong...

Every review I have read thought it stunk. One guy said he was going to give it no stars but felt pity for Stallone for having such a horrible movie , so he gave it one. I thought it looked great until I read 7 reviews saying the same thing. And I agree with the other poster that the special effects look cheap. Brad "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on > Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the firstmovie > to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POVusing > current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down apeg... > > -------------------- > Sinjin > www.SinjinSolves.com > Your Guide to Success

Looks like a bomb -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage on > Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be the first movie > to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POV using > current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... > > -------------------- > Sinjin > www.SinjinSolves.com > Your Guide to Success

Kevin Gavitt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E5kG6.9954$[email hidden]...

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> > "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:90907F8D8dscurlock@news... > > [email hidden] (Sinjin) wrote in > > <[email hidden]>: > > > > >Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new > > >footage on Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this > > >will be the first movie to put you into the cockpit to experience > > >the ride from the drivers POV using current SFX technology. Looks > > >like Super Speedway may get knocked down a peg... > > > > Hate to be so cynical, but then hollywood has conditioned me to be > > that way. The more trailers I see the less I want to see this film. > > The action looks over the top and the story thin. I agree with the > > people who say it's going to be right up there/down there with Days > > of Thunder. Might appeal to the guy who's looking for a good truck > > crash movie, but would settle for a good Cart crash movie ;-) > > > > -- > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver,B.C. > > GPLRank -12.11 > > > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > > http://gplrank.ringlord.com/ > > I hate to be on Bernie's side on just about anything, but I bet when he

sees > this turkey he's going to be DAMN glad he booted Stallone the hell out of > the paddock. >I allways assumed that was why he never let him in in the first place.

sounds just like a Jackie chan movie It should do well in Hongkong market :-))) Lutrell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wC7G6.2139$[email hidden]... > As an autorace movie I think it looks worse with every new trailer that I > have seen. > Racing on city streets (driver would be kicked off the team) and with no > helmet or eye protection (lots of debris would come off front tires),racing > on a banked oval in the rain, exaggerated crashes that reveal tube frame > chassis, rookie test that has the driver trying to run over coins placedon > the track, and racing action that looks like the cars were filmed goingslow > and the footage sped up to look fast. Seems like a lot of grit your teeth > and mash the gas to go fast attitude of racing. > Still this could be a great action movie for the none race enthusiast. Ican

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> not tell from the previews if the story is any good. They like to mostly > just show the crashes and the women. > I hope I am wrong and the movie is better than the previews. > > Lutrell > > > > "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Looks better with each new trailer. They even showed some new footage

on > > Letterman tonight when Stallone was on. Supposedly this will be thefirst > movie > > to put you into the cockpit to experience the ride from the drivers POV > using > > current SFX technology. Looks like Super Speedway may get knocked downa

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> peg... > > > > -------------------- > > Sinjin > > www.SinjinSolves.com > > Your Guide to Success > >

YES they should add a machine gun at the front of the driver then they can have dogfighting at the ovals !!! WOW that is really mass audience!! Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lreG6.26775$[email hidden]... > Top Gun 2 ??? >

Saw it this afternoon with the wife. It wasn't as bad as I expected but since I was expecting the worst that's not saying much. I won't spoil anything here, but there were actually a couple things I thought they did really well. But all that darned music at ear popping volume was too much. They should have just let us hear the engines roar at the same volume. :-) Oh... there were many cameos and tidbits littered throughout the movie. I noticed an Ayrton Senna book on a driver's table in one scene (upside down and partially obscured but definitely noticeable). And in the credits I noticed that Jean Alesi and J Villeneuve were listed as drivers. How'd they get in there? Left over footage from Stallone's earlier F1 idea? just wondering

Was there any racing footage that looked real? Does it have a story that would at least make it a good film to the non race fan? I think Sam Posey (I think it was him) had a good suggestion and recommended a race movie like Caddyshack be made. I could see Jim Carry as the driver and Bill Murray as the team owner. ; ) Lutrell "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9cdadk$7ei$[email hidden]... > Saw it this afternoon with the wife. It wasn't as bad as I expected but > since I was expecting the worst that's not saying much.

"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OWqG6.2184$[email hidden]... > Was there any racing footage that looked real? Does it have a story that > would at least make it a good film to the non race fan? > > I think Sam Posey (I think it was him) had a good suggestion andrecommended > a race movie like Caddyshack be made. I could see Jim Carry as the driver > and Bill Murray as the team owner. ; ) > > Lutrell > I thought they already made that one. It was called " Stroker Ace." KFG

I'll try to answer this briefly and let others give their full reviews elsewhere. Basically I thought it was entertaining. Biggest gripe- the darn music played too loudly when they should have just let the engine roar come through. Overall, not nearly as bad as I had expected but certainly not a great movie. I would see it again on video someday just for the special effects and all the CART cameos. Then again I watch the movie "Planet of the Apes" repeatedly whenever its on so be warned. :-) "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OWqG6.2184$[email hidden]... > Was there any racing footage that looked real? Yes- if you look beyond the chase sequence through the streets of Chicago and the other obviously bogus stuff, you'll see that some of it looked pretty good. And there was actual race footage tossed in here and there too - real enough for you? :-) There were plenty of special effects crash scenes as you've no doubt seen in all the promo shorts, and I have to admit these were pretty awesome even if unrealistic. One sequence in particular in Germany (they claimed, though I don't know if its actually the Lausitzring or not since they haven't raced there yet) had one heck of a crash which they must have modeled partly on Nicki Lauda's crash in Germany in '76 (sort of- I'm stretching it here). But much more visually spectacular. I really don't want to spoil the film any more than I just did. You'll see what I mean if you catch it. There were some bits that were pretty good, while other parts and effects were distracting -like a blurred effect they used on some street courses to give the impression of speed (I guess). > would at least make it a good film to the non race fan? I wouldn't say 'good', but maybe 'entertaining' if they like action movies. :-) My wife said it reminded her of Mission Impossible 2 in some ways. I'm still not sure what she meant, but probably that it was a lot of action and glitz with a simple plot that seemed secondary to the techno effects onscreen. I can't remember the film's rating but it was probably PG-13. Absolutely no sexual scenes despite lots of shots of pit babes and a background story involving marital infidelity, sort of. It was very tame. > I think Sam Posey (I think it was him) had a good suggestion andrecommended > a race movie like Caddyshack be made. I could see Jim Carry as the driver > and Bill Murray as the team owner. ; ) lol! I caught that exchange

I know they had Mikey Andretti's wreck at Mid Ohio in there...but they computerized it and re-colored the car to a Players. THAT's sorta real... :) dave henrie "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OWqG6.2184$[email hidden]... > Was there any racing footage that looked real? Does it have a story that > would at least make it a good film to the non race fan? > > I think Sam Posey (I think it was him) had a good suggestion andrecommended

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> a race movie like Caddyshack be made. I could see Jim Carry as the driver > and Bill Murray as the team owner. ; ) > > Lutrell > > "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9cdadk$7ei$[email hidden]... > > Saw it this afternoon with the wife. It wasn't as bad as I expected but > > since I was expecting the worst that's not saying much. > >

>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > I know they had Mikey Andretti's wreck at Mid Ohio in there...but they > computerized it and re-colored the car to a Players. THAT's sorta real... > :) No, that was a wreck by Patrick Carpentier at Elkhart Lake in the first turn during qualification. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

<snip> >Absolutely no sexual scenes despite lots of shots of pit babes and a >background story involving marital infidelity, sort of. It was very tame. That does it for me, I'll skip this one. Andre

At least <g> JensSchumi On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:16:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >Hello, Driven is an action movie with a big audience target, and not a >historically accurate documentary. >What did you expect, GPL physics? :) > >Andre --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -10.1 Monsters of GPL: sub 200

This is considered porn where I live. JensSchumi BTW: Where can I get a copy? >>Absolutely no sexual scenes despite lots of shots of pit babes and a >>background story involving marital infidelity, sort of. It was very tame. --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -10.1 Monsters of GPL: sub 200

This is considered *** where I live. JensSchumi BTW: Where can I get a copy? --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: [link lost in import] GPLRank: -10.1 Monsters of GPL: sub 200