Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel - Warning

At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote:

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>Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc.

I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd update you. As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally been able to avoid it. However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor whirring and no FF. So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that mine was a bad example. Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar observations? Maxx

You're absolutely right. I bought one and a couple of hours of Colin McRae sent it back to the store to change it for a Microsoft FF. Regards Maxx <[email hidden]> escreveu na mensagem news:[email hidden]...

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> > > At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote: > > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick > >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it > >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has > >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 > >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a > >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc. > > I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. > > Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd > update you. > > As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without > running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a > few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally > been able to avoid it. > > However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking > sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a > few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. > > Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him > Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but > in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am > a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway > he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. > > It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement > would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening > all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared > completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor > whirring and no FF. > > So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted > it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games > requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that > mine was a bad example. > > Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar > observations? > > Maxx

Had one for a year now, and no problems whatsoever. The best wheel I've owned or tried out. Much better than the MS effort. Iain "Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote: > > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick > >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it > >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has > >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 > >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a > >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc. > > I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. > > Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd > update you. > > As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without > running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a > few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally > been able to avoid it. > > However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking > sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a > few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. > > Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him > Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but > in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am > a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway > he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. > > It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement > would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening > all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared > completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor > whirring and no FF. > > So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted > it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games > requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that > mine was a bad example. > > Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar > observations? > > Maxx

Ditto on what Iain has stated!! I just don't understand all the problems that folks have with the 'TM aka Guillemot Ferrari FFB Race Wheel?' Odd??......Cheers Thom_j. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2%ZI6.505$[email hidden]...

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| Had one for a year now, and no problems whatsoever. The best wheel I've | owned or tried out. Much better than the MS effort. | Iain | | "Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > | > | > At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote: | > | > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make | > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick | > >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it | > >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has | > >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 | > >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a | > >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc. | > | > I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. | > | > Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd | > update you. | > | > As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without | > running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a | > few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally | > been able to avoid it. | > | > However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking | > sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a | > few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. | > | > Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him | > Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but | > in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am | > a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway | > he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. | > | > It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement | > would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening | > all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared | > completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor | > whirring and no FF. | > | > So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted | > it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games | > requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that | > mine was a bad example. | > | > Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar | > observations? | > | > Maxx | |

Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly banging the wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doing it in your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) -Phasor - "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YS2J6.50284$[email hidden]... > Ditto on what Iain has stated!! I just don't understand all the problems > that folks have with the 'TM aka Guillemot Ferrari FFB Race Wheel?' > Odd??......Cheers Thom_j.

On Sun, 06 May 2001 07:28:50 GMT, "Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly banging the >wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doing it in >your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) > > -Phasor I've since heard from a couple of other Guillemot users who have never had this "resistance" that I found. It's not banging the wheel from to lock, it's more to do with speed of movement, even moving it 1/4 lock but very quickly I had this resistance. And lately this has what has produced this clicking sound. I have since investigate the problem (shh) and it appears a belt has broken inside the wheel. Also, however it appears that the belt has been badly frayed down one side and the the rubber from this is trapped in the sides of the rollers. Bottom line is that I think there has always been a fault with the wheel. As many have said, they have had their wheel much longer with no problems, and have never felt this resistance which has been an issue with my wheel form day one. I'm gonna get it replaced under warranty and we'll see what the replacement is like. Maxx

"Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You're absolutely right. I bought one and a couple of hours of Colin McRae > sent it back to the store to change it for a Microsoft FF. > > Regards > I also have the wheel and I love it. Yes there is a problem when steering very very very fast. But I never had a problem with it while racing. I never ever steer that fast in a sim. I never need to. The wheel is great. The pedals suck but I connected some old thrustmaster pedals to my gameport and it's great. I can now use the analogue flaps on the wheel for using the clutch. Awesome. The force feedback effects are very good and the steering range is great. Not too far like with the act labs but better than the original logitech.

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> Maxx <[email hidden]> escreveu na mensagem > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote: > > > > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make > > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick > > >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it > > >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has > > >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 > > >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a > > >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc. > > > > I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. > > > > Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd > > update you. > > > > As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without > > running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a > > few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally > > been able to avoid it. > > > > However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking > > sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a > > few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. > > > > Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him > > Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but > > in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am > > a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway > > he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. > > > > It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement > > would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening > > all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared > > completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor > > whirring and no FF. > > > > So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted > > it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games > > requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that > > mine was a bad example. > > > > Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar > > observations? > > > > Maxx > >

Phasor I just sent one back that was beat to death!!...lol My Bad! And they still sent a brand new one since it was under warranty!!! So the only problem I have with the "TM Ferrari Wheel" is Me! I cant stop running it for 500 to a 1000laps a week.. I do get a tad over zealous when I race.. "O" well still the TM Ferrari ffb wheel is just fantastic for me!! Cheers Thom_j. "Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:S27J6.19356$[email hidden]... | Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly bangingthe | wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doing itin

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| your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) | | -Phasor | | - | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:YS2J6.50284$[email hidden]... | > Ditto on what Iain has stated!! I just don't understand all the problems | > that folks have with the 'TM aka Guillemot Ferrari FFB Race Wheel?' | > Odd??......Cheers Thom_j. | | |

Maxx, I just got a brand new one {as posted before} and I got it fast too!! Just make sure you get ur RMA info and verification ID#. I sent it out and got a new one back in just over a week!! Good Luck Thom_j. "Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | On Sun, 06 May 2001 07:28:50 GMT, "Phasor" <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly bangingthe | >wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doing itin

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| >your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) | > | > -Phasor | | I've since heard from a couple of other Guillemot users who have never | had this "resistance" that I found. It's not banging the wheel from | to lock, it's more to do with speed of movement, even moving it 1/4 | lock but very quickly I had this resistance. And lately this has what | has produced this clicking sound. | | I have since investigate the problem (shh) and it appears a belt has | broken inside the wheel. Also, however it appears that the belt has | been badly frayed down one side and the the rubber from this is | trapped in the sides of the rollers. | | Bottom line is that I think there has always been a fault with the | wheel. As many have said, they have had their wheel much longer | with no problems, and have never felt this resistance which has been | an issue with my wheel form day one. | | I'm gonna get it replaced under warranty and we'll see what the | replacement is like. | | Maxx

I have tried mine briefly in Mobil 1 Rally Championship, where it is VERY sensitive. But I haven't tried playing with the deadzone/sensitivity settings yet. Also tried it briefly in NFS4; what a difference from a Gravis Gamepad! :) I've used it extensively in NFS:PU and F1CS2000 and love it. I've had it for about 3 months and am hooked. I haven't noticed the described problem at all, and I'm trying to be gentle with the paddle shifters. :) My next adventures after F1CS2000 are MBTR, GPL, GP3, NFS4, and M1RC; I've got some "work" to do. :) - Tom N.

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>On Sun, 06 May 2001 07:28:50 GMT, "Phasor" <[email hidden] >om> >wrote: > >>Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly banging the >>wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doing it in >>your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) >> >> -Phasor > >I've since heard from a couple of other Guillemot users who have never >had this "resistance" that I found. It's not banging the wheel from >to lock, it's more to do with speed of movement, even moving it 1/4 >lock but very quickly I had this resistance. And lately this has what >has produced this clicking sound. >

Yes Maxx, my Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel does the same. It happens during ultra fast attempts at changing the wheel direction over about a 45+ degree of change. I get a sudden resistance that isn't there during normal smooth or shorter steering changes. I've been wondering whether it is to do with the gain settings in the controllers app. In my case, because I haven't got FF enabled, I've reduced all those settings down to zero and the 'Default Spring' down to 8% so far, but still feel it. Will try reducing DS down to 0% to see if it goes away. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel +15.11

Dag Thomas with all those new titles below you sure will be bizzy! haha Enjoy! Btw: I just love my TM Ferrari FFB too & it kicks Arse in GPL but make sure to go GTX-SLOT's site aka Gary to get the core.ini sets for the Ferrari wheel! Here is the Url.. http://www.slottweak.com/gamesettings.htm Also go into the rest of his site as he has an enitre "Fix'it" for Ferrari & many other wheels!! This guys is good & he doesnt pay me for saying this either!! <g> Cheers Thom_j. Btw, This is his opening page: http://www.slottweak.com/ "Thomas C Norwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9d3igj$53g$[email hidden]...

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| I have tried mine briefly in Mobil 1 Rally Championship, | where it is VERY sensitive. But I haven't tried playing | with the deadzone/sensitivity settings yet. | | Also tried it briefly in NFS4; what a difference from a | Gravis Gamepad! :) | | I've used it extensively in NFS:PU and F1CS2000 and love it. | I've had it for about 3 months and am hooked. I haven't noticed | the described problem at all, and I'm trying to be gentle with | the paddle shifters. :) | | My next adventures after F1CS2000 are MBTR, GPL, GP3, NFS4, and M1RC; | I've got some "work" to do. :) | | - Tom N. |

I, am again here to say I've not had a single problem with mine yet, BUT a lot of people have. I would heartily advise people to stay clear of the Ferrari FF, simply because so many people have problems with it. "Sjoerd de Roest" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qpaJ6.85237$[email hidden]...

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> "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You're absolutely right. I bought one and a couple of hours of Colin McRae > > sent it back to the store to change it for a Microsoft FF. > > > > Regards > > > > I also have the wheel and I love it. > Yes there is a problem when steering very very very fast. But I never had a > problem with it while racing. I never ever steer that fast in a sim. I never > need to. > > The wheel is great. The pedals suck but I connected some old thrustmaster > pedals to my gameport and it's great. I can now use the analogue flaps on > the wheel for using the clutch. Awesome. The force feedback effects are very > good and the steering range is great. Not too far like with the act labs but > better than the original logitech. > > > Maxx <[email hidden]> escreveu na mensagem > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > At 19:20 18/02/2001 +0000, I wrote: > > > > > > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make > > > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. i.e. VERY quick > > > >opposite lock. You run up against the internals, not sure what it > > > >is but it really drags. Not a huge issue in GPL (although it has > > > >meant the difference between saving it and losing it at least 4-5 > > > >times, once in a race). I'm wondering if this will cause me a > > > >problem in games such as Rallymasters, CMR2 etc. > > > > > > I posted the above here in r.a.s. back in mid February. > > > > > > Well, as the bl**dy thing packed up on me earlier I thought I'd > > > update you. > > > > > > As it says above, you cannot make swift direction changes without > > > running up against the internals. I have found it a problem on a > > > few occasions in GPL but with a 12:1 steering ratio I've generally > > > been able to avoid it. > > > > > > However, when I have run up against it I have noticed a clicking > > > sound, like the nylons cogs where slipping. I'd only had this a > > > few times and generally it didn't seem to effect the steering. > > > > > > Anyway, my eldest son came around the other day and I showed him > > > Super 1 Karting Simulation. This is a pretty good Kart sim but > > > in karting you need to make very swift direction changes. I am > > > a bit more subtle than my son, who uses a Non-FF wheel. Anyway > > > he ran up against these cogs a few times so I kicked him off it. > > > > > > It was now more prevalent and anything more than slowish movement > > > would cause this sound. In Pre-Qual for today race it was happening > > > all thew time for the first half lap then all FF disappeared > > > completely, not even a centering spring. Now all I get is the motor > > > whirring and no FF. > > > > > > So, basically it's bust, in less than 3 months use. While it lasted > > > it was a good wheel, but my suspicions about it's use with games > > > requiring fast steering movement has been proven. It could be that > > > mine was a bad example. > > > > > > Anyone else out there with a Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel have similar > > > observations? > > > > > > Maxx > > > > > >

"Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9d4mcg$6v$[email hidden]... > I, am again here to say I've not had a single problem with mine yet, BUT alot of people have. I > would heartily advise people to stay clear of the Ferrari FF, simplybecause so many people have > problems with it. > Mine's been great and I've had it for over a year. It's very robust, feels very solid and has the best FF effects I've tried. It's still as good as the day I bought it. Some owners had problems with early models paddles braking but later ones like mine are improved. > > > >Oh, there is one thing that is a problem for me. You cannot make > > > >very quick major steering changes with this wheel. I.e. VERY quick > > > >opposite lock. The slowness is the damping, simply turn it down to 0. -- Some Call Me Tim

Maybe it's emulating being low on Power Steering Fluid ? Wow, what a wheel! :) Larry "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Maxx > <[email hidden]> writes > >On Sun, 06 May 2001 07:28:50 GMT, "Phasor" <[email hidden] > >om> > >wrote: > > > >>Don't think so - I haven't had any problems either. Constantly banging

the > >>wheel lock to lock is gonna bust it eventually, sure. Just like doingit in

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> >>your real car will eventually bust it. The solution: don't! :) > >> > >> -Phasor > > > >I've since heard from a couple of other Guillemot users who have never > >had this "resistance" that I found. It's not banging the wheel from > >to lock, it's more to do with speed of movement, even moving it 1/4 > >lock but very quickly I had this resistance. And lately this has what > >has produced this clicking sound. > > > > Yes Maxx, my Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel does the same. It happens > during ultra fast attempts at changing the wheel direction over about a > 45+ degree of change. I get a sudden resistance that isn't there during > normal smooth or shorter steering changes. I've been wondering whether > it is to do with the gain settings in the controllers app. In my case, > because I haven't got FF enabled, I've reduced all those settings down > to zero and the 'Default Spring' down to 8% so far, but still feel it. > Will try reducing DS down to 0% to see if it goes away. > -- > Peter Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel +15.11

> The wheel is great. The pedals suck but I connected some old thrustmaster > pedals to my gameport and it's great. I can now use the analogue flaps on > the wheel for using the clutch. Awesome. The force feedback effects arevery > good and the steering range is great. Not too far like with the act labsbut > better than the original logitech. Yep that's the killer combo...'zactly what I have. It actually surprises me how good some people are with the crappy pedals...by the way, if you want a game that virtually requires a manual clutch (and you use it a lot!), get F1RC...great fun -Phasor