Bruton Smith Suing CART-GOOD!

News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart cancelled the CART race at texas. Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart race nor watch a cart race on TV again. When you treat your race fans like they did, you dont deserve to be in business. This is entertainment and the show must go on... I did not want to see any driver get hurt or wreck but they are obligated by contract to perform and also to ensure the safety of their drivers. They did neither in this situation. They shouldve done more testing beforehand and they didnt..They jeprodized their drivers up front by even allowing them to practice and qualify there without adequately testing their first...... . So, in a few months, Bruton Smith will own CART and merge it wilth IRL and then ill go watch the new improved CART/IRL racing at texas PassedYa

And that, you sniveling whippet, means I will miss races at Road America, Mid Ohio, Portland International RAceway, Laguna Seca, Toronto, Detroit, Vancouver. You may enjoy left turn only races...hey I do too..BUT I get as much or more thrill from the turns in the other direction as well. Suing before any attempt to recoup the losses is of course the American Way. dave(Yankee Doodle)henrie "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a

CART made a good call to cancel the race. I do agree that CART should reimburse the fans since it was them that didn't test the track enough before scheduling the event. Vintook "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart > race nor watch a cart race on TV again. When you treat your race fans > like they did, you dont deserve to be in business. This is entertainment > and the show must go on... I did not want to see any driver get hurt or > wreck but they are obligated by contract to perform and also to ensure > the safety of their drivers. They did neither in this situation. They > shouldve done more testing beforehand and they didnt..They jeprodized > their drivers up front by even allowing them to practice and qualify > there without adequately testing their first...... > . > > So, in a few months, Bruton Smith will own CART and merge it wilth IRL > and then ill go watch the new improved CART/IRL racing at texas > > PassedYa > >

nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 May 2001: <snip> >This is >entertainment and the show must go on... I did not want to see any >driver get hurt or wreck but they are obligated by contract to >perform<snip> You WHAT? The drivers are the ones risking their lives out there. It's they who should have the final say, not circuit bosses, TV execs, or even us poor fans. Sure it's a pain when a race you've looked forward to is cancelled for safety reasons - we've probably all experienced it at some time or other - but it's a damn sight better than going ahead and ending up with a disaster. Example: Adelaide GP, 1991. Appallingly wet conditions. The race was stopped after 14 laps, and damn right too. In fact, it should never have been started. Alain Prost was the bravest man that day, retiring after one lap because he considered the conditions too dangerous - Gerhard Berger said afterwards that he felt ashamed he didn't have the guts to do the same. A disappointment for the fans, certainly - but a full-length race would have had at least an even chance of killing someone. The day that a driver's obligations to entertain come before his right to freedom from death and injury is the day I stop following the sport. Incidentally, what are the refund arrangements in the US? They can't be any worse than Silverstone 2000... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.02) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I don't see how admitting you made a mistake and cancelling a race can be anything but a good thing. CART did test for the event, but did not attain the speeds that were evident on the race weekend. They could have and should have tested more, but when? CART has a long season and teams have limited budgets. I assume that CART as an entity doesn't own cars that they can send to a track for testing. And even if they did, what would it prove? CART isn't a stock series where each team drives the same cars. Personally I thought CART treated their fans just fine. They admitted they made a mistake. Didn't blame anyone but themselves and prevented what surely could have been a very black day in motor racing if the race went on. I'd like to see CART and the IRL merge too, but not under IRL rule. Limited and outdated technology, ovals, more ovals. Might as well strip the fenders off of a NASCAR and acheive the same results. "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart > race nor watch a cart race on TV again. When you treat your race fans > like they did, you dont deserve to be in business. This is entertainment > and the show must go on... I did not want to see any driver get hurt or > wreck but they are obligated by contract to perform and also to ensure > the safety of their drivers. They did neither in this situation. They > shouldve done more testing beforehand and they didnt..They jeprodized > their drivers up front by even allowing them to practice and qualify > there without adequately testing their first...... > . > > So, in a few months, Bruton Smith will own CART and merge it wilth IRL > and then ill go watch the new improved CART/IRL racing at texas > > PassedYa > >

On Tue, 8 May 2001, nascarob wrote: > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart Races on ovals are often cancelled for rain -- this was just another unpredictable act of nature (in this case "the limit of human endurance"). Get over it.

David Buttery wrote: > The day that a driver's obligations to entertain come before his > right to freedom from death and injury is the day I stop following > the sport. Hear, hear. I couldn't have said it better myself. Great post. -- Fester

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And how great would Smith have looked had he pressured them to go ahead, then had a driver or four die? Hell with him- maybe the drivers should boycott races at tracks owned by someone who doesn't care about their safety. While I think they might have done a better job predicting this and am disappointed in missing a race, that's a minor concern compared to the drivers' safety.

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>nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 May 2001: > ><snip> >>This is >>entertainment and the show must go on... I did not want to see any >>driver get hurt or wreck but they are obligated by contract to >>perform ><snip> > >You WHAT? The drivers are the ones risking their lives out there. >It's they who should have the final say, not circuit bosses, TV >execs, or even us poor fans. Sure it's a pain when a race you've >looked forward to is cancelled for safety reasons - we've probably >all experienced it at some time or other - but it's a damn sight >better than going ahead and ending up with a disaster. > >Example: Adelaide GP, 1991. Appallingly wet conditions. The race was >stopped after 14 laps, and damn right too. In fact, it should never >have been started. Alain Prost was the bravest man that day, retiring >after one lap because he considered the conditions too dangerous - >Gerhard Berger said afterwards that he felt ashamed he didn't have >the guts to do the same. A disappointment for the fans, certainly - >but a full-length race would have had at least an even chance of >killing someone.

I was surprised that they cancelled race. Was it difficult to make temporary modifications to the track to slow down cars? I remember in 1994 after Imola, there was a big safety issue in F1 and in Barcelona they didn't have time to improve the track, so they used old tires to make a chicane at the long straight to slow down cars (also leaving "escape route" for the cars that were about to miss this chicane). Couple of similar chicanes on the 2 straight in Texas would also probably reduce speed and G-forces enough to make the race safe. Alex (alexti)

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>"Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote > I was surprised that they cancelled race. Was it difficult > to make temporary modifications to the track to slow down cars? > I remember in 1994 after Imola, there was a big safety issue in F1 > and in Barcelona they didn't have time to improve the track, so > they used old tires to make a chicane at the long straight to > slow down cars (also leaving "escape route" for the cars that > were about to miss this chicane). Couple of similar chicanes on > the 2 straight in Texas would also probably reduce speed and > G-forces enough to make the race safe.

Chicanes on ovals?? Sorry, I just don't see how that would be possible. It would be probably even more dangerous. The only chicane I've ever seen on an oval is the old Monza oval back in the 20's and 30's. The straights are banked, and the chassis is simply not made for those cars to slow down. Brake pads are minimal. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Daytona uses a chicane OFF the oval. The SCGT desert oval shows how they use ovals for sports cars. A Bunch of tires or Haybales across the track. IIRC a few years ago, a Trans Am event had quite the smashup when one of the cars lost it's brakes and plowed into the chicane hay bales. dave henrie "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Lt3K6.49661$[email hidden]...

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> >"Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I was surprised that they cancelled race. Was it difficult > > to make temporary modifications to the track to slow down cars? > > I remember in 1994 after Imola, there was a big safety issue in F1 > > and in Barcelona they didn't have time to improve the track, so > > they used old tires to make a chicane at the long straight to > > slow down cars (also leaving "escape route" for the cars that > > were about to miss this chicane). Couple of similar chicanes on > > the 2 straight in Texas would also probably reduce speed and > > G-forces enough to make the race safe. > > > Chicanes on ovals?? Sorry, I just don't see how that would be possible.

It > would be probably even more dangerous. The only chicane I've ever seen on > an oval is the old Monza oval back in the 20's and 30's. The straightsare

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> banked, and the chassis is simply not made for those cars to slow down. > Brake pads are minimal. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Lt3K6.49661$[email hidden]... : Chicanes on ovals?? The ALMS series does it sometimes (IIRC, they just use traffic cones, too) but that's as part of a oval/infield "road" track. A pure oval with chicanes would be too strange. Besides... Paul Tracy would likely take out all the cones on the first lap anyway :-) Dale.

nascarob wrote: > > So, in a few months, Bruton Smith will own CART and merge it wilth IRL > and then ill go watch the new improved CART/IRL racing at texas > > PassedYa Boy... That'd be great. Ugh. CART should pay back the sanctioning fee and take care of administrative expenses for the weekend, and TMS should pay back the ticket-buyers... just like a race was never scheduled. Then CART should slap the fuk outta Rahal for saying CART was gonna race there in the first place. It was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the (admittedly good) IRL race there last year. Warlock!

I can see a big pile of trouble heading nascars way, i wouldnt worry too much about cart problems, theyre small fry compared to whats going to happen. pez nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart > race nor watch a cart race on TV again. When you treat your race fans > like they did, you dont deserve to be in business. This is entertainment > and the show must go on... I did not want to see any driver get hurt or > wreck but they are obligated by contract to perform and also to ensure > the safety of their drivers. They did neither in this situation. They > shouldve done more testing beforehand and they didnt..They jeprodized > their drivers up front by even allowing them to practice and qualify > there without adequately testing their first...... > . > > So, in a few months, Bruton Smith will own CART and merge it wilth IRL > and then ill go watch the new improved CART/IRL racing at texas > > PassedYa > >

Quit shouting so LOUD please! -- ed_ -- Note! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! Eat this - suckers! "Alexpez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9dbk3b$ql4$[email hidden]... > I can see a big pile of trouble heading nascars way, i wouldnt worry too > much about cart problems, theyre small fry compared to whats going to > happen. > > pez > > nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > > cancelled the CART race at texas. > > > >

Although I agree with the reasons for canceling the race, CART is at fault for failure of preparation. Texas contacted CART well before the race to discuss the safety issues, speed in particular, etc. CART assured Texas that everything was "fine". Then.. two hours before the race.. they cancel. Again... I FULLY think they made the right decision at the time, but this should have been prevented in the first place. Before you agree to run at a track that is well known to be fast and of a configuration that is uncommon to Champ cars (High Banking in particular), there should have been a thorough testing of the track. Supposedly, Texas has tried to get reimbursed for its expenses (Which they damn well deserve) and CART has not responded. (Please read the SUPPOSEDLY part). I think this is different than just a 'rain out' as a rain out is an "Act of God" where as this situation, as correct a decision as it was, was caused by negligence and lack of preparedness on the part of CART. That being said... the no race at Texas is still better than any IRL event ;P -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%L%J6.129693$[email hidden]... > And that, you sniveling whippet, means I will miss races at Road America, > Mid Ohio, Portland International RAceway, Laguna Seca, Toronto, Detroit, > Vancouver. > You may enjoy left turn only races...hey I do too..BUT I get as much or > more thrill from the turns in the other direction as well. > Suing before any attempt to recoup the losses is of course the American > Way. > dave(Yankee Doodle)henrie > "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > > cancelled the CART race at texas. > > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > >

On a side note... I think you may have a problem with your keyboard. The message header is in all caps and in the body the working of the shift keys seems sporadic. Jan. =---- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Alexpez wrote... > I can see a big pile of trouble heading nascars way, > i wouldnt worry too much about cart problems, theyre > small fry compared to whats going to happen. > > pez<snip>

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> nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 May 2001: > > <snip> > >This is > >entertainment and the show must go on... I did not want to see any > >driver get hurt or wreck but they are obligated by contract to > >perform > <snip> > > You WHAT? The drivers are the ones risking their lives out there. > It's they who should have the final say, not circuit bosses, TV > execs, or even us poor fans. Sure it's a pain when a race you've > looked forward to is cancelled for safety reasons - we've probably > all experienced it at some time or other - but it's a damn sight > better than going ahead and ending up with a disaster. > > Example: Adelaide GP, 1991. Appallingly wet conditions. The race was > stopped after 14 laps, and damn right too. In fact, it should never > have been started. Alain Prost was the bravest man that day, retiring > after one lap because he considered the conditions too dangerous - > Gerhard Berger said afterwards that he felt ashamed he didn't have > the guts to do the same. A disappointment for the fans, certainly - > but a full-length race would have had at least an even chance of > killing someone.

Not to diminish your point, but this was actually Adelaide '89, not '91 - Prost had already been sacked by Ferrari in '91, and so wasn't at Adelaide. The '89 race actually continued for 70 laps, finally ending at the two hour mark. The '91 race was called after 14 laps. Rick

Rick Baumhauer <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 May 2001: >Not to diminish your point, but this was actually Adelaide '89, not >'91 - Prost had already been sacked by Ferrari in '91, and so wasn't >at Adelaide. The '89 race actually continued for 70 laps, finally >ending at the two hour mark. The '91 race was called after 14 laps. You're quite right - apologies for the error. Doesn't affect the main thrust of the argument, though. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.02) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

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Boy Scott.....I gotta "agree" with you 1000% on that one! Tom PS: I thought CART "tested" at Texas (couple teams)....didn't they?

On Thu, 10 May 2001 03:25:46 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Boy Scott.....I gotta "agree" with you 1000% on that one! > >Tom > >PS: I thought CART "tested" at Texas (couple teams)....didn't they? Yes, they "tested" -- and that was the problem. They should have TESTED. I think they figured they have Kenny Brack who's won at Texas in "Indy-style" cars, and CART races at California which isn't all that different from Texas, so they turned a few laps (i.e., "tested") and said, "Let's race!" Stupid move. They should have REALLY tested before deciding to race there. The IRL proved you can run 215 - 220 mph laps at Texas, but CART went there knowing full well that they would easily exceed those speeds (counting on it, in fact?). CART deserves the black eye for this one. -- JB

I think one or two teams tested, but I'm not sure exactly how extensive of a test it was. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_SnK6.1381$%[email hidden]... > Boy Scott.....I gotta "agree" with you 1000% on that one! > > Tom > > PS: I thought CART "tested" at Texas (couple teams)....didn't they? > > >

It is my understanding that Eddie Gossage (GM of TMS) has been trying to negotiate w/ CART about what is going to be done (ie. cancel and get money back, reschedule, etc) and has gotten nowhere. I'm not sure your statement of TMS suing before trying recoup the losses is accurate. Tim. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in <%L%J6.129693$[email hidden]>:

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> And that, you sniveling whippet, means I will miss races at Road > America, >Mid Ohio, Portland International RAceway, Laguna Seca, Toronto, Detroit, >Vancouver. > You may enjoy left turn only races...hey I do too..BUT I get as much > or >more thrill from the turns in the other direction as well. > Suing before any attempt to recoup the losses is of course the > American

If you've ever seen Jack Miller (IRL) race, you've seen a chicane on an oval. :) Listening on the radio, the other drivers refer to him as a rolling chicane. lol Tim. >Chicanes on ovals?? Sorry, I just don't see how that would be possible. > >

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> >"nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote > > ymenard is > > > > Troll-O-Meter : _______________________| |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > > 0||-|-------------------|| | ||L|================ > > ||R|================ ||_|___________________| > > > Perhaps you should learn to format your posts ;-)

Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.): Troll-O-Meter : _______________________ | |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0| |-|-------------------| | | | |L|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | |R|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | |_|___________________| -- -asbjxrn

>"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you > posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.): Then you should get a better newsreader, because it was on purpose in HTML. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

The original version of the "Troll-O-Meter" (from May 9) looked fine on my system -- It is pure ascii-art which must be viewed in a fixed-pitch font (ie, Courier), and with auto-line-wrap turned OFF. For those who are unable to Turn Off all the non-standard extensions on their email, it looked like a pair of level meters on a tape deck... On 11 May 2001, Asbjrn Bjrnstad wrote:

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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > >"nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > ymenard is > > > > > > Troll-O-Meter : _______________________| |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > > > 0||-|-------------------|| | ||L|================ > > > ||R|================ ||_|___________________| > > > > > > Perhaps you should learn to format your posts ;-) > > Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you > posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.): > > Troll-O-Meter : > > _______________________ > | |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0| > |-|-------------------| > | | | > |L|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | > |R|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | > |_|___________________| > > -- > -asbjxrn > >

On Tue, 08 May 2001 18:43:17 -0500, nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote: >News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka >Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart >cancelled the CART race at texas. > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a >CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart NEWSFLASH: The race has never been cancelled! Can you not read? The race, as it stands, will be rescheduled in the fall. Keep your ticket, attend the race and shut up! And next time make sure you understand the difference between cancelled and postponed.

A case of do as I say not do as I do eh ? ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> ============ Found at groups.google.com From: ymenard ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Best Sound Card SB Live or MX300? Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators View complete thread (14 articles) Date: 1999/01/02 "Richard Busch wrote >I've installed a Sound Blaster Live Value and I think it sounds better >then the Montego Turtle Beach that I had. The Diamond and Montego are >basically the same card, both use A3D. Please stop writing Usenet message in HTML, especially with a 19kb image attached to it each time. It's a pain to download each time, and this is the last post I will read from you. You should question yourself why your post are in average 500% bigger than all the others (2kb from 20kb). HTML is a language for the World Wide Web, not the USENET." -= Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zWTK6.11124$h%[email hidden]... > >"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you > > posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.): > > > Then you should get a better newsreader, because it was on purpose in HTML.

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > >"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you > > posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.): > > Then you should get a better newsreader, because it was on purpose in HTML. And since when was HTML an accepted standard for USENET messages? If you look at rfc1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages), you'll find: "The primary consideration in choosing a message format is that it fit in with existing tools as well as possible." -- -asbjxrn

>"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote > And since when was HTML an accepted standard for USENET messages? When I want to. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

you are very wrong. TMS is refunding the tickets prices... already done it!! Geez you must really be behind the times over there..... And TMS filed SUIT in dallas court system to recoup the loses they incurred. They will not allot CART back in texas... read the news BOY ra301z wrote:

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> On Tue, 08 May 2001 18:43:17 -0500, nascarob <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka > >Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart > >cancelled the CART race at texas. > > Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a > >CART race and be screwed by CART leaders. I will never attent any cart > > NEWSFLASH: The race has never been cancelled! Can you not read? The > race, as it stands, will be rescheduled in the fall. Keep your > ticket, attend the race and shut up! And next time make sure you > understand the difference between cancelled and postponed.

On Sat, 12 May 2001 09:55:05 -0500, nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote: >you are very wrong. TMS is refunding the tickets prices... already done it!! ...without consultation with CART. CART never cancelled the race. TMS just turned around and started issueing refunds. Why? I'm not sure. If you had watched the Nazareth race you would have known there are 3 dates the race will be run on.. all the in fall since TMS is going through renovations for much of the summer. Now keep your ticket, go to the race and SHUT UP!

Hahahaha Too Funny ymenard....<g> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HIaL6.16341$h%[email hidden]... | >"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote | > And since when was HTML an accepted standard for USENET messages? | | When I want to.

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote >> And since when was HTML an accepted standard for USENET messages? > >When I want to. I seem to recall from Jacob's group that you have been one of the most adamant and vocal opponents of the use of HTML in newsgroups. Is this a change of heart or simply yet another example of you being a trolling dickhead?

>"Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote > I seem to recall from Jacob's group that you have been one of the most > adamant and vocal opponents of the use of HTML in newsgroups. Is this > a change of heart or simply yet another example of you being a > trolling dickhead? A little of both <G> I only used it on purpose so that the fixed font ASCII graphic would pass on through without a problem. There are levels of HTML use, we need to use common sense. There's a difference between a 75kb+ successful posts in a thread only because they write in HTML and don't know to edit their messages, and somebody who posts an ASCII in fixed fonts. Yeah well I was just lazy, I could had done it easily in plain text but I was bored. <slaps himself> Happy now? Little do I care anyway... ASCII graphics are the only reason for me to write in HTML. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote on 12 May 2001: <snip> >ASCII graphics are the only reason for me to write in HTML.<snip> Any half-decent newsreader will have an option to view in fixed font (it's Shift-F in XNews). -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.02) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

>"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote > Any half-decent newsreader will have an option to view in fixed font > (it's Shift-F in XNews). Of course, but I had to do it for all the other half or non-decent newsreaders <G> :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> > David Buttery wrote: > > The day that a driver's obligations to entertain come before his > > right to freedom from death and injury is the day I stop following > > the sport. > > > Hear, hear. I couldn't have said it better myself. Great post. > > -- > > Fester