Recommendations Please: Best Motocycle Racing Sim

I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. Something like SBK2001 Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated.

Get yourself GP500 it is imo the GPL of motorbike sims very nice physics maybe not quite as good graphics as SBK2001 but not bad, but a very nice game that takes a bit of learning. Alex <TJ> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. > > Something like SBK2001 > > Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated.

Get them both (GP500 and SBK2001)... excellent bike games and two of the best sims of recent times, IMO. Jan. =---- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Alex Cameron wrote... > Get yourself GP500 it is imo the GPL of motorbike sims very > nice physics maybe not quite as good graphics as SBK2001 but > not bad, but a very nice game that takes a bit of learning. > > Alex

my 2cents Sorry Alex I do not agree SBK2001 is one hell on a road race-sim but that only my subjective opinion abd you *must* have a good graphic card "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5e_L6.182208$[email hidden]...

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| Get yourself GP500 it is imo the GPL of motorbike sims very nice physics | maybe not quite as good graphics as SBK2001 but not bad, but a very nice | game that takes a bit of learning. | | Alex | | <TJ> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | > I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. | > | > Something like SBK2001 | > | > Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated. | |

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>my 2cents Sorry Alex I do not agree SBK2001 is one hell on a road race-sim >but that only my subjective opinion abd you *must* have a good graphic card >"Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:5e_L6.182208$[email hidden]... >| Get yourself GP500 it is imo the GPL of motorbike sims very nice physics >| maybe not quite as good graphics as SBK2001 but not bad, but a very nice >| game that takes a bit of learning. >| >| Alex >| >| <TJ> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >| > I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. >| > >| > Something like SBK2001 >| > >| > Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated. >| >| >

What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am guessing SB = Superbike. I am looking for a new racing game other than N4 and NFS:Porsche which I love (both). Something different to push the new system I built, and use with the MS SW FF wheel I bought. I have been unable to locate GPL, but I don't have the time for another way serious sim. Something that looks great and perhaps is something besides an oval. Thanks, -pw

they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's just easier to write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the Sim Category. dave henrie "> > What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am > guessing SB = Superbike. >

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> ><snip> > > What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, > as I am guessing SB = Superbike. > > I am looking for a new racing game other than N4 and > NFS:Porsche which I love (both). Something different to > push the new system I built, and use with the MS SW FF > wheel I bought. > > I have been unable to locate GPL, but I don't have the > time for another way serious sim. Something that looks > great and perhaps is something besides an oval.

SBK is the "official" abbreviation as used by the FIM and the organising body (SBK Superbike International ltd.). As you might have guessed Superbike is a road racing series featuring motorcycles, more info here: http://www.motonline.com/superbike/index.jhtml SBK2001 is the latest Superbike simulation game by EA Sports and Milestone (authors of the "Screamer" series games) and IMO a truly amazing sim. Official site: http://superbike.ea.com/index2.html Maybe not exactly the right game to use with a wheel, but I know a lot of people who do. Two more games I can recommend are MBTR (Mercedes Benz Truck Racing) and STCC2 (Swedish Touring Car Championship 2). Both have pretty good grahics and offer a good challenge. Jan. =---- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KD3M6.4649$[email hidden]... > they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's just easierto > write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking > about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the Sim Category. > dave henrie > "> http://www.motonline.com/superbike/ Superbike is shortend to SBK so you "SHOULD" have kept your mouth stut ;0)

> > they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's justeasier > to > > write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking > > about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the SimCategory. > > dave henrie > > "> > http://www.motonline.com/superbike/ Superbike is shortend to SBK so you > "SHOULD" have kept your mouth stut ;0) lol just because I am right and the FIA is off base, it still should have been SB2k+1. After all we don't add trailing letters to other acronyms. Nasa isn't 'Nasagncy' the NFL is 'NFLge' etc isn't ....well you get the picture... and EVEN if I'm wrong...when has that ever stopped me?????? :) dave henrie >

That's the thing with SBK2001... it is an awesome Superbike simulator and has the BEST visuals so far, but what controller are you going to use in full simulation mode? In full simulation mode ("Real", the one above "Pro"), the keyboard is too "twitchy" and will cause you too lose control of the bike very easily. The wheel is your only good option, a joystick just doesn't feel right. It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the market (or are there?) > Maybe not exactly the right game to use with a wheel, but I know a lot of > people who do.

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> they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's just easier to >write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking >about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the Sim Category. >dave henrie >"> >> What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am >> guessing SB = Superbike. >> > >

Thanks Dave.

Thanks Dave.

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>pw wrote... >> ><snip> >> >> What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, >> as I am guessing SB = Superbike. >> >> I am looking for a new racing game other than N4 and >> NFS:Porsche which I love (both). Something different to >> push the new system I built, and use with the MS SW FF >> wheel I bought. >> >> I have been unable to locate GPL, but I don't have the >> time for another way serious sim. Something that looks >> great and perhaps is something besides an oval. > >SBK is the "official" abbreviation as used by the FIM and the organising >body (SBK Superbike International ltd.). > >As you might have guessed Superbike is a road racing series featuring >motorcycles, more info here: > >http://www.motonline.com/superbike/index.jhtml > >SBK2001 is the latest Superbike simulation game by EA Sports and Milestone >(authors of the "Screamer" series games) and IMO a truly amazing sim. >Official site: > >http://superbike.ea.com/index2.html > >Maybe not exactly the right game to use with a wheel, but I know a lot of >people who do. > >Two more games I can recommend are MBTR (Mercedes Benz Truck Racing) and >STCC2 (Swedish Touring Car Championship 2). Both have pretty good grahics >and offer a good challenge. > >Jan.

Thanks Jan! -pw >=---- >"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > >

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>That's the thing with SBK2001... it is an awesome Superbike simulator and >has the BEST visuals so far, but what controller are you going to use in >full simulation mode? In full simulation mode ("Real", the one above >"Pro"), the keyboard is too "twitchy" and will cause you too lose control of >the bike very easily. The wheel is your only good option, a joystick just >doesn't feel right. It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the >market (or are there?) > >> Maybe not exactly the right game to use with a wheel, but I know a lot of >> people who do. > >

I realize you can't do a 360 w/ handle bars, but you can't do a complete circle w/ a wheel either (close though). I agree, the wheel is the closest option we have now. I could program the clutch and throttle into a couple of buttons on the wheel and not use the pedals and it would be pretty close to a handle-bar controller, no? -pw

SBK=SuperBiKe.. Dont ask why cuz I have no idea..lol There are plenty of new sims to try pw but if you are using a wheel SBK2001 will not be for you. It plays much better with a joystick! If you want to just relax & have fun in a sim then I guess Midtown Madness {or is 2 out? } is ok. I guess?? You can't beat GPL tho'. Once you start you'll be hooked! U'll see. Btw: try eBay to buy one.. They have been selling alot there.. Good Luck!! Thom_j. "pw" wrote:

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| What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am | guessing SB = Superbike. | I am looking for a new racing game other than N4 and NFS:Porsche which | I love (both). Something different to push the new system I built, | and use with the MS SW FF wheel I bought. | I have been unable to locate GPL, but I don't have the time for | another way serious sim. Something that looks great and perhaps is | something besides an oval. | Thanks, | -pw

I would never dispute my buddy Dave!! Watch SpeedVision Dave & see what SBK stands for..I watch each weekend race every Saturday!! :o) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KD3M6.4649$[email hidden]... | they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's just easierto

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| write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking | about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the Sim Category. | dave henrie | "> | > What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am | > guessing SB = Superbike. | > | | |

On Tue, 15 May 2001 18:46:02 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: Hi, I've seen handlebar / wheel type controller for bike games here in Cape Town, South Africa. I think its called the Ducatti Corser (doesn't he drive a honda?). Anyway it has a twist-grip and proper handlebars. I've been trying to find a link on the web to no avail. Strange. Anybody here bought one and can comment on it? Regards, Ian

On Tue, 15 May 2001 12:27:12 -0400, "Alain" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the >market (or are there?) Yes, there are. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

On 15 May 2001 17:07:57 GMT, pw <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I realize you can't do a 360 w/ handle bars, but you can't do a >complete circle w/ a wheel either (close though). > >I agree, the wheel is the closest option we have now. I could program >the clutch and throttle into a couple of buttons on the wheel and not >use the pedals and it would be pretty close to a handle-bar >controller, no? > >-pw >

You could, but pedals are anolog and buttons are not. Best to use analog pedals, unless you have a wheel with analog paddles. I remember the GP1 wheel by Thrustmaster had analog paddles on the back of the wheel. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

FWIW..Yes there are but I prefer & use an FF joystick in "Real" mode.. Thom_j. "Alain" wrote: <snipped> | It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the market (or arethere?)

You can put analog pedals with a joystick too..:o) Btw: TM's Ferrari has paddles & I use this for all my sims except bike racing. I use a Guillemot FF joystick! Nice quick throw with good tight action & FFB.. "Jagg" wrote: | You could, but pedals are anolog and buttons are not. Best to use | analog pedals, unless you have a wheel with analog paddles. I remember | the GP1 wheel by Thrustmaster had analog paddles on the back of the | wheel.

I use an FF-stick with a bit of centering spring enabled. Works quite well, as I find a wheel just doesn't feel right. ;-) There are handlebar controllers out there, but I've not read many positive comments about them. Jan. =---- Alain wrote...

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> That's the thing with SBK2001... it is an awesome Superbike > simulator and has the BEST visuals so far, but what controller > are you going to use in full simulation mode? In full simulation > mode ("Real", the one above "Pro"), the keyboard is too "twitchy" > and will cause you too lose control of the bike very easily. The > wheel is your only good option, a joystick just doesn't feel right. > It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the market (or > are there?)

I watched a race from Monza last night, unreal how they were bumping elbows on the final lap. Have to say it's one of the most exciting form's of racing to watch on the tube. The commentators are also great, didn't catch the bloke's name though. J. Janasov Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zUeM6.4688$[email hidden]... > I would never dispute my buddy Dave!! Watch SpeedVision Dave & see > what SBK stands for..I watch each weekend race every Saturday!! :o) > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KD3M6.4649$[email hidden]... > | they "SHOULD" have written SB2k+1 Or SuperBike 2001. It's justeasier > to > | write SBK1 and mostly folks will know which sim they are talking > | about...especially since the SB2000 was a little lite in the SimCategory.

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> | dave henrie > | "> > | > What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am > | > guessing SB = Superbike. > | > > | > | > | > >

>SBK=SuperBiKe.. Dont ask why cuz I have no idea..lol >There are plenty of new sims to try pw but if you are using a wheel >SBK2001 will not be for you. It plays much better with a joystick! I also have a CH stick setup (Fighterstick, Pro Pedals, and Pro Throttle) in addition to a MS SW FF Wheel. I tried the Superbike 2000 demo a while ago and it played great with my stick. >If you want to just relax & have fun in a sim then I guess Midtown >Madness {or is 2 out? } is ok. I guess?? Nah - don't want something that un-sim like! >You can't beat GPL tho'. >Once you start you'll be hooked! U'll see. Btw: try eBay to buy >one.. They have been selling alot there.. Good Luck!! Thom_j. > I just may do that! Thanks, -pw

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>"pw" wrote: >| What is SBK2001 and who makes it? The K is confusing me, as I am >| guessing SB = Superbike. >| I am looking for a new racing game other than N4 and NFS:Porsche which >| I love (both). Something different to push the new system I built, >| and use with the MS SW FF wheel I bought. >| I have been unable to locate GPL, but I don't have the time for >| another way serious sim. Something that looks great and perhaps is >| something besides an oval. >| Thanks, >| -pw > >

GP500 is the most simlike, but it's graphics are not quite as good as SBK2001 <TJ> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. > > Something like SBK2001 > > Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated. >

On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:56:08 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GP500 is the most simlike, but it's graphics are not quite as good as >SBK2001 I've played the demo of GP500 and SBK2001 in it's most realistic mode feel equally sim-like to me. SBK2001 gets the hands-down winner in the graphics department though. Actually, I think SBK2001 has the best graphics engine of any racing sim, even better than F1RC. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Sorry Olly I don't agree but thats ok!! :o) Try All "Real" mode in SBK.. "Olly Greenfield" wrote: | GP500 is the most simlike, but it's graphics are not quite as good as | SBK2001

Can you imagine if EA was smart enuff to use the developers & game engine from 'SBK2001' and use it for 'F1CS2K' or on their next sim? Now this would kick azz against all the sims! F1 aka CART Anyone? Thom_j. "Jagg" wrote: | Actually, I think SBK2001 has the bestgraphics engine of any racing | sim, even better than F1RC.

On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:07:42 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Can you imagine if EA was smart enuff to use the developers & game >engine from 'SBK2001' and use it for 'F1CS2K' or on their next sim? >Now this would kick azz against all the sims! F1 aka CART Anyone? Yes, that would be very good indeed. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

In article <9dsoui$jq8$[email hidden]>, "J. Janasov" <[email hidden]> writes: >I watched a race from Monza last night, unreal how they were bumping elbows >on the final lap. Have to say it's one of the most exciting form's of >racing to watch on the tube. The commentators are also great, didn't catch >the bloke's name though. Those guys are f'king CRAZY...! :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Naah Eldred.. Now this is what you call real racing! Been there, done it, loved it and if I wasnt old {& well u know} I'd do it all over again! <g> "EldredP" wrote: | Those guys are f'king CRAZY...! | :-) | Eldred

The two to get are SBK2001 (EA) and GP500 (Microprose). Both are challenging sims with good graphics (roughly even on that score, with some nice tracks in SBK, but some really nice bikes in GP, and both have replays that you will want to watch). I'm still waiting for a controller and a game that will actually let you simulate counter-steering, though. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 <TJ> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm looking for an asphalt racing game. Not motocross or dirtbikes. > > Something like SBK2001 > > Any links to reviews or discussions would be appreciated.

Keyboard? Ack! There's at least two sportbike controllers. Ducati makes one, I can't remember who puts out the other. The FF Wheel is a smoother, more controllable option, but the joystick at least "leans" in the right direction. In short, controller preference is just that - a preference. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "Alain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iScM6.7178$[email hidden]... > That's the thing with SBK2001... it is an awesome Superbike simulator and > has the BEST visuals so far, but what controller are you going to use in > full simulation mode? In full simulation mode ("Real", the one above > "Pro"), the keyboard is too "twitchy" and will cause you too lose control of > the bike very easily. The wheel is your only good option, a joystick just > doesn't feel right. It's not like there are handle bar controllers on the > market (or are there?) > > > Maybe not exactly the right game to use with a wheel, but I know a lot of > > people who do. > > >

In article <iOGM6.7723$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Naah Eldred.. Now this is what you call real racing! Been there, done it, >loved it and if I wasnt old {& well u know} I'd do it all over again! <g> > >"EldredP" wrote: > >| Those guys are f'king CRAZY...! >| :-) >| Eldred

Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my statement stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's Ninja... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my > statement stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, > though. I don't know anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no > interest in 'trying' my friend's Ninja... :) You could try to get a ride. I got a short ride with a friend of mine, one week later I had signed up for a drivers licence class... -- -asbjxrn

EldredP wrote: > Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my statement > stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know > anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's > Ninja... :) Damn Eldred. You should have mentioned it before I sold my 1100 Virago! You'd have fallen in love with that cruiser. -- Fester

What is a "Normal" bike anywayz? I agree, a Ninja is *no* way to learn riding on a motorcycle but hey as 'Todd Walker' he had or has a Honda 50cc'er...lol "EldredP" wrote: | Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, mystatement | stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know | anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's | Ninja... :) | Eldred

Can beat "getting in the wind" can ya? :o) "Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" wrote: | You could try to get a ride. | I got a short ride with a friend of mine, one week later I had | signed up for a drivers licence class... | -- | -asbjxrn

Gee E.. Now you're getting offers for bikes Can't beat this.. Even for RAS...lol TY Uncle Fester!!! :o) "Uncle Fester" wrote: | Damn Eldred. You should have mentioned it before I sold my 1100 | Virago! You'd have fallen in love with that cruiser. | -- | Fester

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>EldredP wrote: >> Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my >statement >> stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know >> anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's >> Ninja... :) > > >Damn Eldred. You should have mentioned it before I sold my 1100 >Virago! You'd have fallen in love with that cruiser.

1100?!? I was thinking more along the lines of a 250-400...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>What is a "Normal" bike anywayz? I agree, a Ninja is *no* way to learn >riding on a motorcycle but hey as 'Todd Walker' he had or has a Honda >50cc'er...lol Normal, meaning NOT a 'crotch rocket'. Normal, as in having a power/weight ratio that won't put you in orbit...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hahaha I am roarin` Eldred!! U R too funny!! OMG ur Funny!! "EldredP" wrote: | Normal, meaning NOT a 'crotch rocket'. Normal, as in having apower/weight | ratio that won't put you in orbit...<g> | Eldred

EldredP wrote:

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> > >EldredP wrote: > >> Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my > >statement > >> stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know > >> anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's > >> Ninja... :) > > > > > >Damn Eldred. You should have mentioned it before I sold my 1100 > >Virago! You'd have fallen in love with that cruiser. > > 1100?!? I was thinking more along the lines of a 250-400...<g>

Aw, cmon! I'm kinda tempted by those 6 cylinder Honda Valkrie's. Those look like a hoot. -- Fester

Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should be required to go through the MSF course. For details, check out: http://www.msf-usa.org/ -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <iOGM6.7723$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Naah Eldred.. Now this is what you call real racing! Been there, done it, > >loved it and if I wasnt old {& well u know} I'd do it all over again! <g> > > > >"EldredP" wrote: > > > >| Those guys are f'king CRAZY...! > >| :-) > >| Eldred > > Well, I've never been on a motorcycle. So from my point of view, my statement > stands...<g> I'd like to try a motorcycle sometime, though. I don't know > anyone who has a NORMAL bike. I have no interest in 'trying' my friend's > Ninja... :) > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

See my other response first, but there are "Ninjas" that are actually generally considered to be good starter sportbikes. After all, the name won't kill you. My first bike was also a Ninja - a 1999 500R (aka EX-500). It had a 500cc motor that put out about 50hp - plenty quick, but with a decent upright (relatively) riding position that allowed beginners like me to get comfortable riding. Of course, your options aren't limited to just sportbikes. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R <---another "Ninja" 00 S4 "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >What is a "Normal" bike anywayz? I agree, a Ninja is *no* way to learn > >riding on a motorcycle but hey as 'Todd Walker' he had or has a Honda > >50cc'er...lol > > Normal, meaning NOT a 'crotch rocket'. Normal, as in having a power/weight > ratio that won't put you in orbit...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What brought this on? I certainly agree but for only the "newbees." We know that Eldred has no intentions of getting a motorcycle or at least it was just to 'razz' him a bit.. Now we are into MSF? Phew..What next seat'belts on motorcycles? "Philip D'Amato" wrote: | Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles shouldbe | required to go through the MSF course. | For details, check out: | http://www.msf-usa.org/ | -- | Philip D'Amato

In article <hL%M6.5507$[email hidden]>, "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> writes: >Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should be >required to go through the MSF course. "Should be required", as in, they're not NOW? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <es0N6.1949$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >What brought this on? I certainly agree but for only the "newbees." We >know that Eldred has no intentions of getting a motorcycle or at least it >was just to 'razz' him a bit.. Now we are into MSF? Phew..What next >seat'belts on motorcycles? How do you know I have no intentions of getting a motorcycle, Thom? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >> 1100?!? I was thinking more along the lines of a 250-400...<g> > > >Aw, cmon! I'm kinda tempted by those 6 cylinder Honda Valkrie's. Those >look like a hoot. > Yeah, right. You riding it to Belle Isle this year?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, Here in Michigan a simple written test will get you a motorcycle license. And they wonder why most biker deaths happen in the first six months of riding - sheesh. Rick "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <hL%M6.5507$[email hidden]>, "Philip D'Amato" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles shouldbe

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> >required to go through the MSF course. > > "Should be required", as in, they're not NOW? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <hL%M6.5507$[email hidden]>, "Philip D'Amato" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should be > >required to go through the MSF course. > > "Should be required", as in, they're not NOW?

Required by law here in Michigan? No. Only a riding test & written test are required to get your cycle endorsement. Not much to them. But those safety courses are essential IMHO if you want to ride out on our crazy roads & survive for any length of time. <g> -- Fester

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>In article <hL%M6.5507$[email hidden]>, "Philip D'Amato" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should be >>required to go through the MSF course. > >"Should be required", as in, they're not NOW?

Not here in Vancouver. You can go into a bike shop, put down you money on a 150hp rocket, and drive away without even producing so much as a drivers license. No different than for cars, but for a disturbing number of people their first ride on a bike is their last ride, because of their extreme performance levels and skill requirements . I learned to ride, as do most people, by taking a course at the "School of Hard Knocks", and I don't recommend it. Take a MSF course. Some will provide the bike, which allows you to experience motorcycles in a safe environment with competent instruction, and if you decide it's not for you, you've spent a few bucks on an interesting experience with no further commitment. If you do get into riding you'll have some solid skills to start with, and I believe that in some areas the MSF courses help in getting you licensed, qualify you for reduced insurance rates, and even deals on new bike purchases. It's the smart/safe way to go. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -12.23 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

Are ya?? Well Congrads!!! <G> "EldredP" wrote: | How do you know I have no intentions of getting a motorcycle, Thom? | Eldred<snipped>

They are required here Rick in "The Garbage State" aka NJ...But of course we only have about 8billion vehicles on our roads a day! phew Hey maybe we should be called "The Payment State" instead...eh? hahaha Cheers Thom_j. "Rick Fisk" wrote: | Eldred, | Here in Michigan a simple written test will get you a motorcycle license. | And they wonder why most biker deaths happen in the first six months of | riding - sheesh. | Rick<snipped>

I've alwayz preferred "doing it in the dirt" anywayz Uncle Fester <g> "Uncle Fester" wrote:

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| Required by law here in Michigan? No. Only a riding test & written | test are required to get your cycle endorsement. Not much to them. | | But those safety courses are essential IMHO if you want to ride out on | our crazy roads & survive for any length of time. <g> | -- | Fester

In article <9e3akp$[email hidden]>, "Rick Fisk" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, > >Here in Michigan a simple written test will get you a motorcycle license. >And they wonder why most biker deaths happen in the first six months of >riding - sheesh. I didn't know it was that easy to get a license. I just figured you had to go through some kind of training just as with a car... I'd want to take a class anyway, but I don't know of anyone who'd loan me a bike to do the course. Are there any that have motorcycles provided? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <9e3akp$[email hidden]>, "Rick Fisk" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Eldred, > > > >Here in Michigan a simple written test will get you a motorcycle license. > >And they wonder why most biker deaths happen in the first six months of > >riding - sheesh. > > I didn't know it was that easy to get a license. I just figured you had to go > through some kind of training just as with a car... I'd want to take a class > anyway, but I don't know of anyone who'd loan me a bike to do the course. Are > there any that have motorcycles provided?

Most colleges have them in the spring & summer. I took mine at WCCC & they provided the bikes. -- Fester

Gee guyz in the 60s we didnt have this option so it was "git on and crank that sucker up!" I do' believe that all 'first time riders' should have somekind of instructions tho'... I was lucky enuff to have one of AMA's top 10 teach me back then! I raced before I ever went on the highway and I'd race again if I could!! <g> "Uncle Fester" wrote: | Most colleges have them in the spring & summer. I took mine at WCCC & | they provided the bikes. | -- | Fester

"Thom j." wrote: > > Gee guyz in the 60s we didnt have this option so it was "git on and > crank that sucker up!" I do' believe that all 'first time riders' should > have somekind of instructions tho'... I was lucky enuff to have one > of AMA's top 10 teach me back then! I raced before I ever went > on the highway and I'd race again if I could!! <g> Agreed. But back in the 60's the roads, at least in this area, contained about 1/4 the volume of cars they do today. And somehow people were a little more courteous to others as well. IMO. :-) -- Fester

Ur right Uncle Fester.. I guess I am showing my age now?...<g> "Uncle Fester" wrote: | Agreed. But back in the 60's the roads, at least in this area, | contained about 1/4 the volume of cars they do today. And somehow | people were a little more courteous to others as well. IMO. :-) | -- | Fester

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'd want to take a class anyway, but I don't know of > anyone who'd loan me a bike to do the course. We've seen you drive GPL.. we understand :)

In article <W70O6.4066$[email hidden]>, "Mike White" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I'd want to take a class anyway, but I don't know of >> anyone who'd loan me a bike to do the course. > >We've seen you drive GPL.. we understand :) >

/me hits Mike with a tire iron...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Late response. Haven't been paying attention. First, no seatbelts on motorcycles. That's ridiculous. I state that MSF should be required, and my reasoning is simple - you will not likely have better newbie instruction. It's worth it. It's not hard to go through, most states don't charge more than a token fee, the information acquired is good, you get your license when completed, and the whole thing is fun. I wouldn't want to see laws passed to force the issue, but I think that it's great advice for a beginning rider to go and take the course. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:es0N6.1949$[email hidden]... > What brought this on? I certainly agree but for only the "newbees." We > know that Eldred has no intentions of getting a motorcycle or at least it > was just to 'razz' him a bit.. Now we are into MSF? Phew..What next > seat'belts on motorcycles? > > "Philip D'Amato" wrote: > | Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should > be > | required to go through the MSF course. > | For details, check out: > | http://www.msf-usa.org/ > | -- > | Philip D'Amato > > >

No, the MSF isn't required. Most states accept successful MSF course training completion in place of the DMV road test and will issue a license based on the MSF course completion. The difference between the amount of good information and training you get between the DMV test and the MSF course is very significant. Plus, I keep telling people this, I thought the MSF course was fun. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <hL%M6.5507$[email hidden]>, "Philip D'Amato" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Anyone interested in riding or otherwise getting into motorcycles should be > >required to go through the MSF course. > > "Should be required", as in, they're not NOW? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The MSF organization provides the bikes (donated by major manufacturers, usually Honda, Kawasaki or Suzuki 250cc "standards"). Many states will also provide helmets and other protection. I already had all my gear, but my class only required you have long pants and long-sleeved shirts with over the ankle boots or high-tops (no sandals, no dress shoes, etc.). They also required gloves - but they could've been 3$ gardening gloves for the road work. They provided everything else. If you don't drop the bike, you tend to pass the course and get your license. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> > I didn't know it was that easy to get a license. I just figured you had to go > through some kind of training just as with a car... I'd want to take a class > anyway, but I don't know of anyone who'd loan me a bike to do the course. Are > there any that have motorcycles provided? > > Eldred <snip>

You certainly havent been following this thread!! Keep up with the program WillYa? hahahaha "Philip D'Amato" wrote: | Late response. Haven't been paying attention. First, no seatbelts on | motorcycles. That's ridiculous. I state that MSF should be required, and | my reasoning is simple - you will not likely have better newbieinstruction. | It's worth it. It's not hard to go through, most states don't charge more | than a token fee, the information acquired is good, you get your license | when completed, and the whole thing is fun. I wouldn't want to see laws | passed to force the issue, but I think that it's great advice for a | beginning rider to go and take the course.<snipped>