Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

I can't stand the notion that GPL will not run on a system robust enough to also run N4 and WSC in full glory. I need to keep GPL on my system for a long, long time. For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... Marc. -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

Yup I heard this too from some of the Gurus in Vroc.. Seems odd but they apparently all agree it is true! Really odd..eh? Thom_j. "Marc Collins" wrote: | For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not | run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... | Marc.

"Thom j." wrote... > Yup I heard this too from some of the Gurus in Vroc.. Seems odd but > they apparently all agree it is true! Really odd..eh? > Thom_j. > > "Marc Collins" wrote: > | For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL willnot > | run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... > | Marc.Worse than that, they were saying 1.4 or faster. If it's true then you could always slow the PC down by fiddling with the BIOS or using SoftFSB. My 1.4 GHz Athlon is fast enough - I now have all options turned on (including skid marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps drop below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.16 "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

Say it ain't so! I was just about to pull the trigger on ordering the mobo and cpu for my new box, a P4 1.5 Mhz. This is devastating! The whole point to a new computer was to run GPL a little faster. There must be some folks out there with a P4 at 1.4 or faster that run GPL. If you're out there, let us know. <insert sobbing grown man sound>"this can't be true." "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3DmM6.3038$[email hidden]... I can't stand the notion that GPL will not run on a system robust enough to also run N4 and WSC in full glory. I need to keep GPL on my system for a long, long time. For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... Marc. -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

"Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps drop > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using FSAA and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glide with 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see a slowdown. > -- > Tony Whitley > GPLRank -0.16 > "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss,he > gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand > Prix. > > > > -- ============================ elh4jj at hotmail <------------------ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3DmM6.3038$[email hidden]... > I can't stand the notion that GPL will not run on a system robust enoughto

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> also run N4 and WSC in full glory. I need to keep GPL on my system for a > long, long time. > > For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not > run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... > > Marc. >

For a lot of interesting info on this subject check out this thread: http://www.legendscentral.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001544.html Cheers Phil -- http://www.legendscentral.com http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival GPL Handicaps: F1 -3.60 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

On Wed, 16 May 2001 06:20:03 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yup I heard this too from some of the Gurus in Vroc.. Seems odd but >they apparently all agree it is true! Really odd..eh? >Thom_j. It's very true unfortunately.. Grant Reeve from papy, the guy who made the d3d patch was on VROC 2 days ago and confirmed it: GPL does -not- run on a P4 1.7.. and probably never will :( Andre

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> >"Marc Collins" wrote: >| For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not >| run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... >| Marc. > > >

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > It's very true unfortunately.. Grant Reeve from papy, the guy who made > the d3d patch was on VROC 2 days ago and confirmed it: > GPL does -not- run on a P4 1.7.. and probably never will :( > > Andre Does anyone know *why* it does not work? Is it just processor speed (i.e. it will not work on an Athlon above a certain speed) or is it something inherent in the P4 architecture? Ian

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> "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > It's very true unfortunately.. Grant Reeve from papy, the guy who made > > the d3d patch was on VROC 2 days ago and confirmed it: > > GPL does -not- run on a P4 1.7.. and probably never will :( > > > > Andre > > Does anyone know *why* it does not work? > > Is it just processor speed (i.e. it will not work on an Athlon above a > certain speed) or is it something inherent in the P4 architecture? > > Ian

To answer my own question, from the thread at http://www.legendscentral.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001544.html (link posted by Phil Lee) it seems that it is processor speed dependent...... Bad news. Ian

Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider ? Ian "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b022848$[email hidden]... > > > "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote > > > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fpsdrop

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> > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. > > Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using FSAA > and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glide with > 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see a slowdown. > > > -- > > Tony Whitley > > GPLRank -0.16 > > "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, > he > > gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German

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On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:23:35 +0100, "Ian Barrett" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider ? > >Ian He probably has an Overclocked 1.2 or 1.33 T-Bird I personally have a 900 T-Bird running at 1050Mhz, and AMD doesn't sell a 1050 either :-P Cheers

LOL Tony... My "piddly" Intel P3 800mhz has always kept a rock solid 36fps except for the start & it never drops below 32fps! Not even in the big starts with full' field and a lot of graphics at the start but I feel it has more to do with my GF2'GTS'Pro & 256-megs of PC133Dram combined. I want to upgrade to the 1ghz cpu but for now I must wait for a few more pennies and I will keep everything for quite some time after the upgrade... Cheers Thom_j. "O" Yea, now if I could only race 1/2decent I'd be a happy dude! "Tony Whitley" wrote: | Worse than that, they were saying 1.4 or faster. If it's true then youcould | always slow the PC down by fiddling with the BIOS or using SoftFSB. My 1.4 | GHz Athlon is fast enough - I now have all options turned on (includingskid | marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps drop | below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. | -- | Tony Whitley | GPLRank -0.16

Yup thats what they say in Vroc! Just go on & ask some of the Gurus! Good Luck Thom_j. "A. Ingram" wrote: | Say it ain't so! I was just about to pull the trigger on ordering themobo | and cpu for my new box, a P4 1.5 Mhz. This is devastating! The whole point | to a new computer was to run GPL a little faster. There must be some folks | out there with a P4 at 1.4 or faster that run GPL. If you're out there,let | us know. <insert sobbing grown man sound>"this can't be true."

It seems that Andre W already got the answer?

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| Grant Reeve from Papy, the guy who made the d3d patch, was on VROC | tonight.. GPL does NOT work on a 1.7 gig and probably never will.. | They fixed the problems with 1.7 cpu's for N4, but doing so for GPL would | take way to much time and papy probably won't spend this time anymore on | GPL | Btw: I also asked Grant about the problem with the mis-colored flags with | thed3d patch. He couldn't find a fix for this bug so this will also

probably | never be fixed Andre

Oops!! Sorry Andre I re-posted your post from Legends..lol "Andre Warringa" wrote: | It's very true unfortunately.. Grant Reeve from papy, the guy who made | the d3d patch was on VROC 2 days ago and confirmed it: | GPL does -not- run on a P4 1.7.. and probably never will :( | Andre

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3DmM6.3038$[email hidden]... > I can't stand the notion that GPL will not run on a system robust enoughto

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> also run N4 and WSC in full glory. I need to keep GPL on my system for a > long, long time. > > For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not > run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... > > Marc.

With Athlon 900s available boxed retail for $100 and falling, closeout V5500s available for $100 and falling, SBLive! sound cards available for $50 and falling and all of this soon to be available on the used market for fractions of THAT the solution is simple, obvious, and not terribly expensive. A dedicated GPL box. KFG

Get real....and it has nothing to do with the money involved in putting together a CPU video card and some RAM, although that in itself is ridiculous, too. How about you and everyone else who thinks this is a good idea donate $500 each to the Papy programmers--we'll see a patch pretty quickly (unless you are the only one). > A dedicated GPL box. >

works great on my 1.5ghz machine. "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0WzM6.6593$[email hidden]... > It seems that Andre W already got the answer? > > | Grant Reeve from Papy, the guy who made the d3d patch, was on VROC > | tonight.. GPL does NOT work on a 1.7 gig and probably never will.. > | They fixed the problems with 1.7 cpu's for N4, but doing so for GPLwould > | take way to much time and papy probably won't spend this time anymore on > | GPL > | Btw: I also asked Grant about the problem with the mis-colored flagswith

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> | thed3d patch. He couldn't find a fix for this bug so this will also > probably > | never be fixed > > Andre > > > > >

Ian Barrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mCzM6.20511$[email hidden]... > Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider ? There does is a AMD 1.4 ghz... Don't know or it's available on the market yet though, if not it should be in a week or 1-2 - Sjon

"Abunra Ben'Ghazah" wrote... > On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:23:35 +0100, "Ian Barrett" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider?

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> > > >Ian > > He probably has an Overclocked 1.2 or 1.33 T-Bird > > I personally have a 900 T-Bird running at 1050Mhz, and AMD doesn't > sell a 1050 either :-P

Almost right. It's a 1 GHz "AXIA" unlocked and running at 1.4. It would go further, but performance is "adequate" as R-R say so I haven't bothered :-) -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.16 "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

"Tim Elhajj" wrote... > > > "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote > > > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fpsdrop > > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. > > Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using FSAA > and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glide with > 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see a slowdown. I definitely see 29 fps from the back of a full grid at Monaco @1600x1200 with the D3D driver on my GeForce 2 MX. I do have 3D wheels. Reading the thread http://www.legendscentral.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001544.html I'm not alone. I don't think I can use Glide with this card. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.16 "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

Don't jest... having GPL updated to fix this issue would be worth $500 to me. And I'm still running an OC'd PIII-655 the moment. Jan. =---- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Marc Collins wrote...

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> Get real....and it has nothing to do with the money > involved in putting together a CPU video card and > some RAM, although that in itself is ridiculous, too. > How about you and everyone else who thinks this is a > good idea donate $500 each to the Papy programmers-- > we'll see a patch pretty quickly (unless you are the > only one). > > > > A dedicated GPL box. > > > > >

your right, your NON3dfx card cannot run a glide coded game. Your card is made by another company other than 3dfx which is the only company to have a chipset that runs 3dfx Glide programs. (And yes I know all about the glide wrappers for nvidia.) Glide is a 3d api that was coded to run on 3dfx cards. Nvidia can run opengl and d3d but not Glide. dave henrie "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote in message news:9duv3k$i12$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tim Elhajj" wrote... > > > > > > "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote > > > > > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps > drop > > > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. > > > > Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using

FSAA > > and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glidewith > > 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see aslowdown.

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> > I definitely see 29 fps from the back of a full grid at Monaco @1600x1200 > with the D3D driver on my GeForce 2 MX. I do have 3D wheels. Reading the > thread http://www.legendscentral.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001544.html I'm not > alone. I don't think I can use Glide with this card. > > -- > Tony Whitley > GPLRank -0.16 > "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss,

he > gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand > Prix. > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LUBM6.131964$[email hidden]... > Get real....and it has nothing to do with the money involved in putting > together a CPU video card and some RAM, although that in itself is > ridiculous, too. How about you and everyone else who thinks this is agood

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> idea donate $500 each to the Papy programmers--we'll see a patch pretty > quickly (unless you are the only one). > > > > A dedicated GPL box. > > > > >

For GPL2 I'd pay $500. For GPL I'm perfectly happy maintaining the hardware I've already got to keep it running, that ought to keep me going for another 10 years or so. When I upgrade I'm going to have to go for a new Mobo and memory anyway, along with the cpu, possibly even a new power supply and video card. I'm nearly all the way to a dedicated box at that point. It's a solution that works for me. KFG

Folks....you have got to get ONE thing through your heads. WE here in RAS are a very small-tiny-miniscule group. How many GPLers are on Vroc each night? About 100 to 200? No mass market company can cater to a couple of hundred users. IF EVERYONE here ponied up 500$ you probably couldn't even pay the building rent where the coding work would be done. Would it cover the secretaries? The accountants? The taxes? The benefits? Would it cover the $$ that Sierra and it's Parent companies would require to supervise Papyrus? Would the pitifully SMALL # of users here have enough cash to pay the Papyrus Coders to rebuild the GPL engine? Would we have enough cash to pay for beta testing? How about purchasing enough P4's just to TEST the sucker...And will we have enough to cover the losses incurred on Papyrus' next project while they put that aside to rework a game that was a HUGE FINANCIAL FLOP 3 years ago? Folks....asking Papyrus to continue development of GPL is just as silly as demanding Rendtion support on N4. Can I be any more plain? Building your own dedicated box with 1.33ghz processor and current generation vidcard makes FAR FAR more sense than expecting Sierra to release funds for further work on GPL. dave henrie "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NwEM6.93408$% > For GPL2 I'd pay $500. For GPL I'm perfectly happy maintaining thehardware > I've already got to keep it running, that ought to keep me going foranother

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> 10 years or so. When I upgrade I'm going to have to go for a new Mobo and > memory anyway, along with the cpu, possibly even a new power supply and > video card. I'm nearly all the way to a dedicated box at that point. > > It's a solution that works for me. > > KFG > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cREM6.16101$[email hidden]... > Folks....you have got to get ONE thing through your heads. WE here inRAS

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> are a very small-tiny-miniscule group. How many GPLers are on Vroc each > night? About 100 to 200? No mass market company can cater to a couple of > hundred users. IF EVERYONE here ponied up 500$ you probably couldn't even > pay the building rent where the coding work would be done. Would it cover > the secretaries? The accountants? The taxes? The benefits? Would it > cover the $$ that Sierra and it's Parent companies would require to > supervise Papyrus? Would the pitifully SMALL # of users here have enough > cash to pay the Papyrus Coders to rebuild the GPL engine? Would we have > enough cash to pay for beta testing? How about purchasing enough P4's

just > to TEST the sucker...And will we have enough to cover the losses incurredon > Papyrus' next project while they put that aside to rework a game that wasa > HUGE FINANCIAL FLOP 3 years ago? > Folks....asking Papyrus to continue development of GPL is just as sillyas > demanding Rendtion support on N4. > Can I be any more plain? Building your own dedicated box with 1.33ghz > processor and current generation vidcard makes FAR FAR more sense than > expecting Sierra to release funds for further work on GPL. > dave henrie Precisely. Thank you. KFG

I don't believe this! I must have the worst timing ever. I just ordered a P4 1.7 with a GF3 from ABS today!! It comes with an MSI mobo. Does anybody know if I can underclock with this board? This sucks!!!!!!! -Marty Marc Collins wrote:

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> I can't stand the notion that GPL will not run on a system robust enough to > also run N4 and WSC in full glory. I need to keep GPL on my system for a > long, long time. > > For those wondering what I am talking about--reports are that GPL will not > run on a P4 1.7 or faster CPU... > > Marc. > > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? > ****************************************************************************

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On Thu, 17 May 2001 03:27:56 GMT, Martin Fay <[email hidden]> wrote: >I don't believe this! I must have the worst timing ever. I just ordered a P4 >1.7 with a GF3 from ABS today!! It comes with an MSI mobo. Does anybody know >if I can underclock with this board? This sucks!!!!!!! Lower the front side bus. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Martin Fay wrote: > I don't believe this! I must have the worst timing ever. I just ordered a P4 > 1.7 with a GF3 from ABS today!! It comes with an MSI mobo. Does anybody know > if I can underclock with this board? This sucks!!!!!!! You might try returning it as unsatisfactory. "Thank you for sending this new computer. The packing was very nice. No dents at all. However, because it is far too fast to run my demanding applications, I will have to take advantage of your warrentee offer because of this machines excessive speed. Sincerely, " Luckily, they probably don't have a customer service policy memo concerning this type of claim yet, so you should be in! ;);) - Matt

[email hidden] (Dave Henrie) wrote: > IF EVERYONE here ponied up 500$ you probably couldn't even > pay the building rent where the coding work would be done. We're completely in the dark about what kind of a task it would be to cure the 1.7 problem, but I certainly think this mad little GPL community could get together enough money to fund a few weeks of a programmer's time... and I'm sure there's enough goodwill within Papy to ease the process along. However Papyrus aren't independent, and even if they were, I'm sure they've got many better things to do with their time. Besides, I think there are relatively few people prepared to *gamble* significant amounts of money on a patch... and it certainly would be a gamble. Andrew McP

Marc here is a copy of some VROC chat that was posted on the Legends Central forums. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- (Grant__Reeve) pez: i think so. the closer to 2ghz, the more likely the whole timing system is going to fall over, due to the clockspeed of modern CPUs overflowing a 32 bit integer (Grant__Reeve) i seriously doubt that there would be any chance of a fix. we had to fix that for N4, and it involved quite a lot of low level fixing, and i don't think it would be approved to go do that to GPL The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing' translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough. Last time I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111 replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms, is squat.(zero) and sqaut is the chance we have of seeing another update for GPL. dave henrie "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LUBM6.131964$[email hidden]... > Get real....and it has nothing to do with the money involved in putting > together a CPU video card and some RAM, although that in itself is > ridiculous, too. How about you and everyone else who thinks this is agood

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"Dave Henrie" wrote... > Marc here is a copy of some VROC chat that was posted on the Legends > Central forums. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > (Grant__Reeve) pez: i think so. the closer to 2ghz, the more likely the > whole timing system is going to fall over, due to the clockspeed of modern > CPUs overflowing a 32 bit integer > (Grant__Reeve) i seriously doubt that there would be any chance of a fix. we > had to fix that for N4, and it involved quite a lot of low level fixing, and > i don't think it would be approved to go do that to GPL > > > The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing' > translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough. Last time > I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111 > replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms, is > squat.(zero) Agreed, if you're talking about paying a company to do this, but if the work was done by an individual with Papy's approval (as was the case with the Direct3D Rasterizer I believe) then that sort of money might be enough to convince him to give up a few evenings watching TV. Just my three ha'pence worth, -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.16 1.4 GHz is just fine for me :-)

Dave "O" Dave.. Why do you always sugar coat things? Cant you ever be direct? lmao & <bfg> U R too much! Go Gett'em Buddy! "that, in programing terms, is squat.(zero)"..... Too Funny!!! Cheers Thom_j. "Dave Henrie" wrote: | The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing' | translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough. Lasttime | I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111 | replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms, is | squat.(zero) | and sqaut is the chance we have of seeing another update for GPL. | dave henrie

>However Papyrus aren't independent, and even if they were, I'm sure >they've got many better things to do with their time. Hmm... www.worldcharts.com gives GPL a Success Rate (whatever this is) of 8.4% ... 8.4% not 84% :( while 'top' games are rated at 99.x - 100% Calis

I have not found a way to do so on my Asus P4T motherboard. Lowest FSB setting is 100 (100 x 4 = 400 "quadpumped"). Robert "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't believe this! I must have the worst timing ever. I just ordereda P4 > 1.7 with a GF3 from ABS today!! It comes with an MSI mobo. Does anybodyknow > if I can underclock with this board? This sucks!!!!!!!

On Thu, 17 May 2001 06:38:36 -0400, "Robert Roschen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have not found a way to do so on my Asus P4T motherboard. Lowest FSB >setting is 100 (100 x 4 = 400 "quadpumped"). > 400 is the ram and not the cpu itself. Multiply the cpu clock cycles by the FSB to get the cpu speed. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

well all of this topic I have to say is very disappointing news. I had looked forward to (firstly) and (latterly) had great fun 'playing' GPL since about 1996 when it became clear it was under development. I paid 30ukp for the game and have had I would guess about 500ukp of enjoyment from it. I see no reason NOT to play it for many years to come - there is nothing comparable even remotely on the horizon. Modern F1 (and consequently sims) I feel have become far too predictable and boring - hell the tracks do not have a fraction of the challenge that the ring, Spa, or many of the other GPL ones do, not to mention the cars. I am perhaps older than the average RAS GPLer and my hard drive has been almost exclusively race-sim orientated from the days of the original Indy 500. From 1998 on I built my machines to handle papy sims at their best (Celeron Rendition then Celeron V3, now running AMD Duron o/c to 1000 MHz with Geforce 2). (Still not able to run N4 flat-out though ! ). So what is the solution for our happy band - I doubt very much if another patch for GPL would ever appear - though I refuse to believe that having done it for N4 it would be THAT major a programming job for GPL. The solution however is probably going to be building bespoke machines with a range of FSB/multiplier options so that CPU can be run under 1.4 G if need be. Just checked that my ABIT KT7A RAID can be underclocked to 500MHz. I won't upgrade motherboard for 2 years I guess, and even that future upgrade I will make sure will run sufficiently slowly to run GPL, if no alternative is found in the mean-time. Finally I hope this won't discourage all of the community producing tracks, cars and other utilities for GPL. Your efforts are so valued. Just my ha-penny worth Ian

There you go Dave. Making sense again. Wayne "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cREM6.16101$[email hidden]... > Folks....you have got to get ONE thing through your heads. WE here inRAS

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> are a very small-tiny-miniscule group. How many GPLers are on Vroc each > night? About 100 to 200? No mass market company can cater to a couple of > hundred users. IF EVERYONE here ponied up 500$ you probably couldn't even > pay the building rent where the coding work would be done. Would it cover > the secretaries? The accountants? The taxes? The benefits? Would it > cover the $$ that Sierra and it's Parent companies would require to > supervise Papyrus? Would the pitifully SMALL # of users here have enough > cash to pay the Papyrus Coders to rebuild the GPL engine? Would we have > enough cash to pay for beta testing? How about purchasing enough P4's

just > to TEST the sucker...And will we have enough to cover the losses incurredon > Papyrus' next project while they put that aside to rework a game that wasa > HUGE FINANCIAL FLOP 3 years ago? > Folks....asking Papyrus to continue development of GPL is just as sillyas

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> demanding Rendtion support on N4. > Can I be any more plain? Building your own dedicated box with 1.33ghz > processor and current generation vidcard makes FAR FAR more sense than > expecting Sierra to release funds for further work on GPL. > dave henrie > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NwEM6.93408$% > > > For GPL2 I'd pay $500. For GPL I'm perfectly happy maintaining the > hardware > > I've already got to keep it running, that ought to keep me going for > another > > 10 years or so. When I upgrade I'm going to have to go for a new Mobo

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> > memory anyway, along with the cpu, possibly even a new power supply and > > video card. I'm nearly all the way to a dedicated box at that point. > > > > It's a solution that works for me. > > > > KFG > > > > > >

That was the whole point. It would be flowed directly to the programmers--who have already released "unofficial" patches prepared on their own time. Marc. "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote in message news:9e04t7$avv$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Henrie" wrote... > > Marc here is a copy of some VROC chat that was posted on the Legends > > Central forums. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---- > > (Grant__Reeve) pez: i think so. the closer to 2ghz, the more likely the > > whole timing system is going to fall over, due to the clockspeed of

modern > > CPUs overflowing a 32 bit integer > > (Grant__Reeve) i seriously doubt that there would be any chance of afix.

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> we > > had to fix that for N4, and it involved quite a lot of low level fixing, > and > > i don't think it would be approved to go do that to GPL > > > > > > The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing' > > translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough. Last > time > > I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111 > > replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms,

is > > squat.(zero) > Agreed, if you're talking about paying a company to do this, but if thework

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> was done by an individual with Papy's approval (as was the case with the > Direct3D Rasterizer I believe) then that sort of money might be enough to > convince him to give up a few evenings watching TV. > > Just my three ha'pence worth, > > -- > Tony Whitley > GPLRank -0.16 > 1.4 GHz is just fine for me :-) > > > >

"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9e18mq$ppo$[email hidden]... > There you go Dave. Making sense again. > > Wayne Don't worry I usually have about a 10 to 1 ratio of utter nonsense to actual fact. dave henrie

> Modern F1 (and consequently sims) I feel have become far too > predictable and boring - hell the tracks do not have a > fraction of the challenge that the ring, Spa, or many of the > other GPL ones do, not to mention the cars. Have you tried F1RC on full realism? it's freakin' tough! more difficult IMHO than GPL. -Phasor

It's a 1.2 AMD overclocked to 1.4. Yes, that's the coffee you're smelling--maybe you should open your eyes now? "Ian Barrett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider ? > > Ian-- ============================ elh4jj at hotmail <------------------ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

No, you can't use Glide. It's only for 3dfx cards. I'm surprised the MX isn't faster in GPL! I was considering getting rid of my Voodoo5, but maybe it's still got a little life left in it yet. :) -- ============================ elh4jj at hotmail <------------------ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote in message news:9duv3k$i12$[email hidden]... > > "Tim Elhajj" wrote... > > > > > > "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote > > > > > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps > drop > > > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid. > > > > Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using FSAA > > and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glide with > > 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see a slowdown. > > I definitely see 29 fps from the back of a full grid at Monaco @1600x1200 > with the D3D driver on my GeForce 2 MX. I do have 3D wheels. Reading the > thread http://www.legendscentral.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001544.html I'm not > alone. I don't think I can use Glide with this card. > > -- > Tony Whitley > GPLRank -0.16 > "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he > gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand > Prix. > > >