Papyrus Benchmark GPLRank

Hi all , I've had a -ve GPLRank for a while now thanks to a quick ring time - and yet I never really felt I was a negative GPLer because I had +ve times at other tracks. Until last night - all out push at Zandy ( manic ) , Monaco ( pot luck ) and even Silverstone ( 1 29s will have to do , thank heavens I don't need to go back there again - utterley lacking in any kind of enjoyment except t2 - GPLEA should do something with that circuit to make it "flow" like their Snett67 update did , some braking markers would be nice , anyway I digress ) My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? I found the Monza time relatively easy to beat The Monaco time pretty tough Look forward to hearing your experiences 00JimWheatly -14ish i think

I found Spa, Zandy, Monaco and the Ring hard, haven't managed to beat Papy at any of these yet. Silverstone, Watkins Glen and Monza were the easier ones. I''ve not driven F1 for a month or so now - been concentrating on the Vroc F2 races. Quite looking forward to getting an F2 GPLRank and then going back to F1 to see how much difference it makes (if any) :0) JimSeamus "L Wong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CZON6.300429$[email hidden]... > Hi all , I've had a -ve GPLRank for a while now thanks to a quick ring > time - and yet I never really felt I was a negative GPLer because I had+ve > times at other tracks. > > Until last night - all out push at Zandy ( manic ) , Monaco ( pot luck )and > even Silverstone ( 1 29s will have to do , thank heavens I don't need togo > back there again - utterley lacking in any kind of enjoyment except t2 - > GPLEA should do something with that circuit to make it "flow" like their > Snett67 update did , some braking markers would be nice , anyway Idigress )

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> > My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this > > Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? > > I found the Monza time relatively easy to beat > The Monaco time pretty tough > > Look forward to hearing your experiences > > 00JimWheatly -14ish i think > > > > > >

Hi all , I've had a -ve GPLRank for a while now thanks to a quick ring time - and yet I never really felt I was a negative GPLer because I had +ve times at other tracks. Until last night - all out push at Zandy ( manic ) , Monaco ( pot luck ) and even Silverstone ( 1 29s will have to do , thank heavens I don't need to go back there again - utterley lacking in any kind of enjoyment except t2 - GPLEA should do something with that circuit to make it "flow" like their Snett67 update did , some braking markers would be nice , anyway I digress ) My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? I found the Monza time relatively easy to beat The Monaco time pretty tough Look forward to hearing your experiences 00JimWheatly -14ish i think having written all this there's a fat chance of it posting ! You'll have to imagine all the witty and topical interjections I've offered over the past year or so. I live in a house full of GPL nuts ( Mr Ace Modes The Destroyer & Miss Lucinda Wong The Humiliator ) and non of us gets a consistent news service.

[email hidden] (L Wong) wrote in <CZON6.300429$[email hidden]>: >My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this > >Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? I've still have three to beat. At Kyalami I'm +0.64, Spa +0.47, and Zandy I'm 0.000 -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -12.23 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

L Wong <[email hidden]> wrote on 20 May 2001: <snip> >Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ?<snip> Easiest: Monza & Silverstone Hardest: MOnaco, then Mexico (still +ve on those!) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

[email hidden] (L Wong) wrote: > thank heavens I don't need to go > back there again I've always been puzzled that so many people dislike Silverstone. I'm not desperately fast there, but I find it very enjoyable to drive on, especially online. Monaco, on the other hand... I still struggle to get under 1:30 no matter what I try, and I hate every moment on that s*dding track. It's a parade circuit, not a racetrack! Andrew McP

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> [email hidden] (L Wong) wrote: > > > thank heavens I don't need to go > > back there again > > I've always been puzzled that so many people dislike Silverstone. I'm not > desperately fast there, but I find it very enjoyable to drive on, > especially online. > > Monaco, on the other hand... I still struggle to get under 1:30 no matter > what I try, and I hate every moment on that s*dding track. It's a parade > circuit, not a racetrack! > > Andrew McP >

For whatever it's worth, I'm with you. I could just lap Silverstone by myself for hours. It's almost. . . well, meditative. KFG

Being an (eternal?) newbie, there are still many tracks I haven't even logged a time on (I'll save my blushes for the below times), so here are my current, sad attempts: Papy Me Monaco 1:29.33 1:35.74 (Eagle) - It's the fear of the tunnel and trying too hard, I think Monza 1:30.20 1:29.14 (Eagle) - Still searching for that elusive 1:28 The 'Ring 8:21.93 9:50.64 (Ferrari) - My first none shift-r lap; woo hoo! Rouen 1:59.28 2:10.04 (Eagle) - *$�@]#~ Nouveau Monde!! Silverstone 1:30.91 1:33.76 (Eagle) - I think I need to practice my trailbraking... Spa 3:20.34 4:45.06 (Eagle) - Er, I think I need to just practice Glen 1:06.91 1:09.90 (Ferrari) - I'll get my coat now, shall I? As you can see, I spend far too much time at Monza. A common newbie error? L Wong <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CZON6.300429$[email hidden]... > Hi all , I've had a -ve GPLRank for a while now thanks to a quick ring > time - and yet I never really felt I was a negative GPLer because I had+ve > times at other tracks. > > Until last night - all out push at Zandy ( manic ) , Monaco ( pot luck )and > even Silverstone ( 1 29s will have to do , thank heavens I don't need togo > back there again - utterley lacking in any kind of enjoyment except t2 - > GPLEA should do something with that circuit to make it "flow" like their > Snett67 update did , some braking markers would be nice , anyway Idigress )

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> > My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this > > Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? > > I found the Monza time relatively easy to beat > The Monaco time pretty tough > > Look forward to hearing your experiences > > 00JimWheatly -14ish i think > > > > > >

In article <AIPN6.300599$[email hidden]>, "Ace Modes" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>My question to the fine folk of r.a.s. is this > >Which of the Papyrus times did the group find hardest to match ? > >I found the Monza time relatively easy to beat >The Monaco time pretty tough > >Look forward to hearing your experiences

Me: 3 Papyrus: 8 <g> The only times I've beaten are Monza, Watkins, and Silverstone. The others? Not even CLOSE. Mexico is the only other track where I'm within a *second*. Maybe I'll beat them by the time WSC comes out... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > Being an (eternal?) newbie, there are still many tracks I haven't even > logged a time on (I'll save my blushes for the below times), so here are my > current, sad attempts: > > Papy Me > Monaco 1:29.33 1:35.74 (Eagle) - It's the fear of the tunnel and > trying too hard, I think > Monza 1:30.20 1:29.14 (Eagle) - Still searching for that > elusive 1:28 > The 'Ring 8:21.93 9:50.64 (Ferrari) - My first none shift-r lap; > woo hoo! > Rouen 1:59.28 2:10.04 (Eagle) - *$�@]#~ Nouveau Monde!! > Silverstone 1:30.91 1:33.76 (Eagle) - I think I need to practice my > trailbraking... > Spa 3:20.34 4:45.06 (Eagle) - Er, I think I need to just > practice > Glen 1:06.91 1:09.90 (Ferrari) - I'll get my coat now, > shall I? > > As you can see, I spend far too much time at Monza. A common newbie error?

You might be better avoiding the eagle for the moment as it's a big old bird that a bit unwieldy, especially at a tight track like monaco. Stick with the ferrari. I've knocked 8secs off my rank this weekend by using the ferrari setups from these track guides http://www.gmmhost.co.uk/gmmhost/legendscentral/LOR/trackguides/gpl/index.html They're excellent and are, what I call, 'normal' setups rather than freaky rear wheel steer jobs like the world record holders tend to drive. Kev

"Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JnyO6.9746$[email hidden]... > Being an (eternal?) newbie, there are still many tracks I haven'teven > logged a time on (I'll save my blushes for the below times), so hereare my > current, sad attempts: > > Papy Me > Monaco 1:29.33 1:35.74 (Eagle) - It's the fear of thetunnel and > trying too hard, I think > Monza 1:30.20 1:29.14 (Eagle) - Still searching forthat > elusive 1:28 > The 'Ring 8:21.93 9:50.64 (Ferrari) - My first none shift-rlap; > woo hoo! > Rouen 1:59.28 2:10.04 (Eagle) - *$�@]#~ NouveauMonde!! > Silverstone 1:30.91 1:33.76 (Eagle) - I think I need topractice my > trailbraking... > Spa 3:20.34 4:45.06 (Eagle) - Er, I think I needto just > practice > Glen 1:06.91 1:09.90 (Ferrari) - I'll get my coatnow, > shall I? > > As you can see, I spend far too much time at Monza. A common newbieerror? >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? Where, if its any consolation to you, you have beaten someone - me! (2:10.06 Eagle). In fact, you're also faster than me at Monaco, Monza, Silverstone and Glen. The circuit I like best is Spa (3:34 Eagle) but finding another 14 seconds there is quite out of the question, I've settled for just enjoying myself! (PS: If you submit your time to GPL Rank anyway, you'll find that you are always faster than someone somewhere - that's always some encouragement). -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 17/05/01

Laurence Wilmer wrote: > Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? I hope you are kidding... Rouen is a quite glorious circuit, probably my second fave after the Ring! -- Andy

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> [email hidden] (L Wong) wrote: > > > thank heavens I don't need to go > > back there again > > I've always been puzzled that so many people dislike Silverstone. I'm not > desperately fast there, but I find it very enjoyable to drive on, > especially online. > > Monaco, on the other hand... I still struggle to get under 1:30 no matter > what I try, and I hate every moment on that s*dding track. It's a parade > circuit, not a racetrack! > > Andrew McP

I agree. Silverstone, particularly Abbey Curve, was where I learnt the benefits of slow in, fast out that I'd seen everyone talking about. It's also my biggest margin under the bogey time (1.6S), if I ever get Chapel really sorted that should increase. My favourite track is still Spa though. The Nurburgring has to be the most difficult, surely? Score: Me 5 (WG, Silverstone, Monza, Spa, 'Ring) Papy 5 (Monaco, Zandvoort, Mexico, Mosport; all +1. Kyalami +0.25) Even 1 (Rouen) -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.54 "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. it's a bloody great track, spend some more time on it. When you get near the 2:00 zone, you'll love it more and more.. Andre

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> > On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > > Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen..

Second. Eldred doesn't like it either... :-) -- Fester

In article <[email hidden]>, Andy Straw <[email hidden]> writes: >Laurence Wilmer wrote: >> Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > >I hope you are kidding... Rouen is a quite glorious circuit, probably my >second fave after the Ring! >-- Ugh - I *hate* that track. I had to miss a league race there this past weekend, and truthfully - I'm not sorry about it...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > >Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. >it's a bloody great track, spend some more time on it. When you get >near the 2:00 zone, you'll love it more and more.. > >Andre

Two. 2:02.xx - I don't like it... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? >> >> Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. > > >Second. Eldred doesn't like it either... :-)

Are you reading over my shoulder...?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

But... why? Jan. =--- EldredP wrote... > <snip> > Two. > 2:02.xx - I don't like it... > > Eldred

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>But... why? > >Jan. >=--- > >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> Two. >> 2:02.xx - I don't like it... >> >> Eldred

Why am I that slow, or why don't I like the track? Cause and effect, man...<g> I can't DRIVE the f'king piece of asphalt, therefore, I don't LIKE it... I'd rather do the next online GP race at *Monaco* rather than Rouen. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote... > <snip> > Why am I that slow, or why don't I like the track? Cause > and effect, man...<g> I can't DRIVE the f'king piece of > asphalt, therefore, I don't LIKE it... I'd rather do the > next online GP race at *Monaco* rather than Rouen. Count me in for either track... though I've yet to not stuff it at Monaco, I might outlast the others like at the Ring!! ;-)) Seriously, "because" is a pretty vague answer. Is there a particular area or aspect that is giving you trouble? Details please. Just noticed you got some Rouen laps up at your site... DL'ing them now and will watch them. Let you know. Jan. =---

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> On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > > Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. > it's a bloody great track, spend some more time on it. When you get > near the 2:00 zone, you'll love it more and more..

I dislike Rouen almost as much as Spa. But probably I will love it more when I get in 1:52 zone ;> Alex (alexti)

"Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I've knocked 8secs off my rank this weekend by using the ferrari setups > from these track guides >http://www.gmmhost.co.uk/gmmhost/legendscentral/LOR/trackguides/gpl/index.ht ml > They're excellent and are, what I call, 'normal' setups rather than > freaky rear wheel steer jobs like the world record holders tend to drive. Well said that man! These are really really good trackguides, I'd be happy to use them as living-room wallpaper if I could find a printer big enough....... Eldred I only found Rouen enjoyable once I'd used the LOR guide to figure out the Nouveau Monde, definitely worth a look. Cheers JimSeamus

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > >> > >> Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. > > > > > >Second. Eldred doesn't like it either... :-) > > Are you reading over my shoulder...?<g>

Great minds think alike! ;-) -- Fester

Spa??????? Really?? I love Spa... But Tim Wheatley is the one I must thank for learning Spa about a year & 1/2 ago.. He really made it easy for me!! I was stuck at 3:23s-24s & then he did a complete review on my replay.. Wow what a difference after his critique!! Dropped into the 3:19range is just a week. Still do 3:20s without much trouble but I've been away from GPL for awhile and I am just starting to get back into the groove again {If I have a grove??...lol} just my $0.02 :-) Cheers Thom_j. "Alex" wrote: | I dislike Rouen almost as much as Spa. But probably I will love it | more when I get in 1:52 zone ;> | Alex | (alexti)

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> On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > > Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. > Andre

Here's another -Phasor

2nd one over here. I passed the 2.00 easily (have a PB of 1:59.99 there, if I recall right :-), but still don't like the track. I tend to loose it in the fast corners - probably a setup problem, dunno. JensSchumi On Wed, 23 May 2001 14:29:56 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote:

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>On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > >Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. >it's a bloody great track, spend some more time on it. When you get >near the 2:00 zone, you'll love it more and more.. > >Andre

-- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -10.1 Monsters of GPL: sub 200

I was having loads of problems at Rouen until I switched to the Ferrari, really nailed it after that and it is a joy to drive. JS wrote:

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> > 2nd one over here. > I passed the 2.00 easily (have a PB of 1:59.99 there, if I recall right :-), but > still don't like the track. I tend to loose it in the fast corners - probably a > setup problem, dunno. > > JensSchumi > > On Wed, 23 May 2001 14:29:56 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > > >On Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:32 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Well who'd want to spend a lot of time at Rouen? > > > >Well, actually you're the first person I know off who dislikes Rouen.. > >it's a bloody great track, spend some more time on it. When you get > >near the 2:00 zone, you'll love it more and more.. > > > >Andre > > -- > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: > http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ > > GPLRank: -10.1 > Monsters of GPL: sub 200

-- Andy -- Andy Straw [email hidden] (01865) 48-3321. Operations Analyst, Operations, Computer Services. Brookes University --------------------------------------------------------------------- These statements are my own, not those of Brookes University

In article <MPYO6.19189$[email hidden]>, "Jim L" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well said that man! These are really really good trackguides, I'd be happy >to use them as living-room wallpaper if I could find a printer big >enough....... > >Eldred I only found Rouen enjoyable once I'd used the LOR guide to figure >out the Nouveau Monde, definitely worth a look. I don't *ever* remember seeing the trees that are mentioned as braking points. Probably because I had the graphics turned down for frame rate. I haven't tried it again since I upgraded my system. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Nh%O6.1401$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Spa??????? Really?? I love Spa... But Tim Wheatley is the one I must >thank for learning Spa about a year & 1/2 ago.. He really made it easy >for me!! I was stuck at 3:23s-24s & then he did a complete review on >my replay.. >Wow what a difference after his critique!! Dropped into the 3:19range >is just a week. Still do 3:20s without much trouble but I've been away >from GPL for awhile and I am just starting to get back into the groove >again {If I have a grove??...lol} just my $0.02 :-) >Cheers Thom_j.

Spa is boring to me. I mean, it's a nice track, but when I'm racing I never see any other cars... They've checked out. BTW, I have laps posted on my webpage, if anyone wants to check them out...: http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/eplaps.html :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> Why am I that slow, or why don't I like the track? Cause >> and effect, man...<g> I can't DRIVE the f'king piece of >> asphalt, therefore, I don't LIKE it... I'd rather do the >> next online GP race at *Monaco* rather than Rouen. > >Count me in for either track... though I've yet to not stuff it at Monaco, I >might outlast the others like at the Ring!! ;-)) >

Well, the only tracks we haven't run yet are Spa, Monaco, and Rouen. We may run them in that order...<g> >Seriously, "because" is a pretty vague answer. Is there a particular area or >aspect that is giving you trouble? Details please. I can't get consistent at Rouen. I may run 2:05, 2:03, *2:20*... The hairpin and the turn before it screw me up. I can't tell exactly where and how much to brake for that combo. As a result, I usually end up braking way early for the left-hander, then coasting up to/through the hairpin. There are a couple other turns that I have similar problems with. > >Just noticed you got some Rouen laps up at your site... DL'ing them now and >will watch them. Let you know. > Ok, thanks. -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ok Buddy Fire'up your best Chassis and I'll jam my nose up ur rear and chase ya all around Spa until you cant stand it anymore!! You'll see me all the time...haha Btw: nice site with your PBs. I like it a lot! The Tee'ster.. "EldredP" wrote: | Spa is boring to me. I mean, it's a nice track, but when I'm racing Inever | see any other cars... They've checked out. | BTW, I have laps posted on my webpage, if anyone wants to check themout...: | http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/eplaps.html | :) | Eldred

Sorry Eldred I'd forgotten that, I believe you mentioned it before too. Um, did you try again with more graphics on? I can definitely see the trees with my detail slider at minimum, and *all* the square boxes on the left hand side ticked (clouds, driver arms etc). I dunno how to take screenies in D3D but if you still can't see the trees then I'll whip into software mode and fire off a few shots for ya... lemme know Cheers JimSeamus "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <MPYO6.19189$[email hidden]>, "JimL" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Well said that man! These are really really good trackguides, I'd behappy

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> Probably because I had the graphics turned down for frame rate. I haven't > tried it again since I upgraded my system. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>In article <MPYO6.19189$[email hidden]>, >"Jim L" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Well said that man! These are really really good trackguides, I'd be happy >>to use them as living-room wallpaper if I could find a printer big >>enough....... >> >>Eldred I only found Rouen enjoyable once I'd used the LOR guide to figure >>out the Nouveau Monde, definitely worth a look. > >I don't *ever* remember seeing the trees that are mentioned as braking >points. >Probably because I had the graphics turned down for frame rate. I haven't >tried it again since I upgraded my system. >

Go for it, man!!! Also, shouldn't use the lack of detail as an excuse. I've probably been driving with just as little, if not less, detail as yourself and am now down to 1:57.89 in under a month with a wheel. You've just got to be a little more creative when choosing where/when to brake. That braking for the hairpin can be a bit dicey if you try to squeeze every last tenth out of it, but that shouldn't be necessary in order to go under 2 mins. Normally as soon as I'm about to touch the darker driving line I brake hard and change down 2 gears to 2nd. At the same time I try to make sure that I'm getting near the inside and not too wide (if you let the car run wide I find that there's a strong possibility of oversteer as I try to turn away from the outside of the bend), then I too coast a little around the corner until I've straightened out and then brake and change down to first. If you brake too early then try and estimate a little later. You aint' gonna get it right everytime and may find yourself overshooting on the odd occasion, but when trying to improve your pb it's worth making a few mistakes for the sake of a decent lap, surely. :) Now, get out there and have fun, and stopping putting Rouen down, it's a great track. ;-) PS: I bet you're careful in that first corner after the start/finish line - the 4th gear right-hander. If you're brave you should be able to brake hard as soon as you see the darker line and then turn in quite sharply towards the apex, almost as if you want to run up the curb. However, if you've carried enough speed you won't and will absolutely fly around this bend, modulating the throttle as you go, you don't want to get too carried away and find yourself drifting too wide on the exit now. It takes some nerve initially but, once you've been successful a few times you'll get more confident, I'm sure. PPS: this post is just another excuse to post my new GPLrank wheel time in my sig. :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -5.88

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> In article <Nh%O6.1401$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Spa??????? Really?? I love Spa... But Tim Wheatley is the one I must >>thank for learning Spa about a year & 1/2 ago.. He really made it easy >>for me!! I was stuck at 3:23s-24s & then he did a complete review on >>my replay.. >>Wow what a difference after his critique!! Dropped into the 3:19range >>is just a week. Still do 3:20s without much trouble but I've been away >>from GPL for awhile and I am just starting to get back into the groove >>again {If I have a grove??...lol} just my $0.02 :-) >>Cheers Thom_j. > > Spa is boring to me. I mean, it's a nice track, but when I'm racing I

Exactly my impressioin. On top of that the straights are sooo long that the next corner always cathes me unprepared, because I am just starting to believe that that straight goes around the world and that I am actually on the oval track:) Alex (alexti)

Geez Alex you suppose to hit those straights at about 195-199mph. Not 55mph..:-) You know you can do Spa in about 3&1/2 minutes easy not 2hrs.. :-) only j/k mind you.... "Alex" wrote: | Exactly my impressioin. On top of that the straights are sooo long | that the next corner always cathes me unprepared, because I am just | starting to believe that that straight goes around the world and that | I am actually on the oval track:) | Alex | (alexti)

Wait til the Le Mans track is released....the Mulsaane straight takes something like 1 1/2 minutes at full throttle. definately not a track for those with Attention Deficit Syndrome. dave henrie "Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > In article <Nh%O6.1401$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." > ><[email hidden]> writes: > > > >>Spa??????? Really?? I love Spa... But Tim Wheatley is the one I must > >>thank for learning Spa about a year & 1/2 ago.. He really made it easy > >>for me!! I was stuck at 3:23s-24s & then he did a complete review on > >>my replay.. > >>Wow what a difference after his critique!! Dropped into the 3:19range > >>is just a week. Still do 3:20s without much trouble but I've been away > >>from GPL for awhile and I am just starting to get back into the groove > >>again {If I have a grove??...lol} just my $0.02 :-) > >>Cheers Thom_j. > > > > Spa is boring to me. I mean, it's a nice track, but when I'm racing I > Exactly my impressioin. On top of that the straights are sooo long > that the next corner always cathes me unprepared, because I am just > starting to believe that that straight goes around the world and that > I am actually on the oval track:) > > Alex > (alexti)

In article <QeeP6.2414$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >Ok Buddy Fire'up your best Chassis and I'll jam my nose up ur rear >and chase ya all around Spa until you cant stand it anymore!! You'll >see me all the time...haha Btw: nice site with your PBs. I like it a lot! >The Tee'ster.. Maybe sometime this weekend... I may be on VROC. Thanks for the comments on the website! Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes: >Go for it, man!!! >Also, shouldn't use the lack of detail as an excuse. I've probably been >driving with just as little, if not less, detail as yourself and am now >down to 1:57.89 in under a month with a wheel. You've just got to be a >little more creative when choosing where/when to brake. > Well, then you're just better at seeing something I don't see. Since I don't always have a visible brake point, I often crash when I brake later than I *think* I am. This leads to being tentative every time through those sections, which doesn't help laptimes.

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>That braking for the hairpin can be a bit dicey if you try to squeeze >every last tenth out of it, but that shouldn't be necessary in order to >go under 2 mins. Normally as soon as I'm about to touch the darker >driving line I brake hard and change down 2 gears to 2nd. At the same >time I try to make sure that I'm getting near the inside and not too >wide (if you let the car run wide I find that there's a strong >possibility of oversteer as I try to turn away from the outside of the >bend), then I too coast a little around the corner until I've >straightened out and then brake and change down to first. If you brake >too early then try and estimate a little later. You aint' gonna get it >right everytime and may find yourself overshooting on the odd occasion, >but when trying to improve your pb it's worth making a few mistakes for >the sake of a decent lap, surely. :)

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> >Now, get out there and have fun, and stopping putting Rouen down, it's a >great track. ;-) > >PS: I bet you're careful in that first corner after the start/finish >line - the 4th gear right-hander. If you're brave you should be able to >brake hard as soon as you see the darker line and then turn in quite >sharply towards the apex, almost as if you want to run up the curb. >However, if you've carried enough speed you won't and will absolutely >fly around this bend, modulating the throttle as you go, you don't want >to get too carried away and find yourself drifting too wide on the exit >now. It takes some nerve initially but, once you've been successful a >few times you'll get more confident, I'm sure.

Nah, Rouen STILL sucks... :-) > >PPS: this post is just another excuse to post my new GPLrank wheel time >in my sig. :) Show-off...<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <_9gP6.23151$[email hidden]>, "Jim L" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Sorry Eldred I'd forgotten that, I believe you mentioned it before too. Um, >did you try again with more graphics on? I can definitely see the trees with >my detail slider at minimum, and *all* the square boxes on the left hand >side ticked (clouds, driver arms etc). > >I dunno how to take screenies in D3D but if you still can't see the trees >then I'll whip into software mode and fire off a few shots for ya... lemme >know

Hmm... Actually, they *are* there, even with lower graphics settings. I just never NOTICED them before. Too busy trying to see the track, I guess...<shrug> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.