WSC Lots of *new* screenshots!!!

http://www.simracingmag.com Quote - Sunday May 20th, 2001 WSC : Newest Screenie ! Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like to thank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing :) You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people of Empire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and he mentioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, until further notice. DISCUSS HERE about these new screenie in the WSC Forum By Eric Cote

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> http://www.simracingmag.com > > Quote - > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a

LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like tothank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > :) > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people ofEmpire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and hementioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, untilfurther notice. Did Chris West tell you that it would be out at the end of the year? I'm not trying to be dense here, just looking for confirmation.

LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, thank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing Empire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be mentioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's further notice. Did Chris West tell you that it would be out at the end of the year? I'm not trying to be dense here, just looking for confirmation.

For a true answer ask Eric Cote or Kennith Verburgh

One very major concern. We're SEVERAL years in to this project - and one assumes this release of screenshots is showing as much as they can at this point in time. Why only 6 cars? Panoz, Lotus x 2, Fer. 333, Sauber, and Something else. Are they really having that much difficullty with manufactureres? Doug "Leroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9eacn3$t8f$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.simracingmag.com > > Quote - > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a

LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like tothank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > :) > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people ofEmpire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and hementioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, untilfurther notice.

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> > DISCUSS HERE about these new screenie in the WSC Forum > > By Eric Cote > > > >

Are you really surprised that they would be having problems with manufacturers? I'm not. The lawyers are probably involved, so that means there's gonna be problems. Hopefully, they'll provide us with a method for designing/including our own favorite cars, and they won't have to worry about the licensing issues for cars *we* do. In article <rX6O6.7947$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> One very major concern. > > We're SEVERAL years in to this project - and one assumes this release of > screenshots is showing as much as they can at this point in time. > > Why only 6 cars? > > Panoz, Lotus x 2, Fer. 333, Sauber, and Something else. > > Are they really having that much difficullty with manufactureres? > > Doug >

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"John Simmons" > manufacturers? I'm not. The lawyers are probably involved, so that > Hopefully, they'll provide us with a method for designing/including our > own favorite cars, and they won't have to worry about the licensing > issues for cars *we* do. > That is the plan, as far as I know... dave henrie

Eric, It's been more then 2 years, and all we have are screen shots. Since you can talk to Chris West, what ever happened to the promised demo that was susposed to be released after last years E3 expo? And when are we going to get a demo so that we can test out the physics. Afterall, screen shots are one thing, but don't really have much to do with the actual sim. I still remember all those screen shots from the Trans-Am and Skip Barber sims that got canceled. Joel Willstein [email hidden] Leroy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9eacn3$t8f$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.simracingmag.com > > Quote - > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a

LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like tothank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > :) > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people ofEmpire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and hementioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, untilfurther notice.

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> > DISCUSS HERE about these new screenie in the WSC Forum > > By Eric Cote > > > >

This astounds me! You all complain about how nothing comes forward and that you all want new screen shots, etc... and then as soon as they appear, rather than saying "WOW! they look great" (which they do!!), everyone just says "yeah, but why can't we have this, that and the other"... If I were Chris and Tony, I would not be that inspired to bring you more things to look at, as there has been no real support shown for what they HAVE brought you. If I were them in fact I would do the commercial thing of just keeping it all to themselves until a month before the release and not answer another email about it. COME ON??!??! Show a little support! These guys are working hard on this project. They do not owe us anything, so anything we get is a bonus and a display of the importance they place on keeping the sim community informed and "in the loop". In terms of licenses... Bare this in mind... These things tend to happen at the very last minute. The only difference is, most games only release screen shots, etc at the very last minute, so all the licenses are already signed. Don't mean to rant, but we really should offer a bit more support as this sim will be around for a very long time, so a few months is not a big deal. All the best Simon

Hi Gault, what I do know (and yes I speak to Chris everyday) is Chris almost fell off his chairs when some folks at Empire told few people in a Hotel hall that it was due in May 2002... It's possible they said that to calm down those who are counting the days... I dunno.� So far nothing has changed, it's the end of the year... upon further notice Eric Gault wrote:

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> "Leroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9eacn3$t8f$[email hidden]... > > http://www.simracingmag.com > > > > Quote - > > > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a > LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like to > thank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > > :) > > > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people of > Empire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and he > mentioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, until > further notice. > > Did Chris West tell you that it would be out at the end of the year?� I'm > not trying to be dense here, just looking for confirmation.

Hi Dougy :0) The reason why we're only seeing only 6 cars is very simple, right now these guys have 18 cars built, Tony is working on more... The reason comes from Licencing issues that are taken care by Empire (it's there work). Many of them are in discussion or almost in terms of agreements.. Same goes to other tracks as well. Eric Douglas Ellison wrote:

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> One very major concern. > > We're SEVERAL years in to this project - and one assumes this release of > screenshots is showing as much as they can at this point in time. > > Why only 6 cars? > > Panoz, Lotus x 2, Fer. 333, Sauber, and Something else. > > Are they really having that much difficullty with manufactureres? > > Doug > > "Leroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9eacn3$t8f$[email hidden]... > > http://www.simracingmag.com > > > > Quote - > > > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a > LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like to > thank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > > :) > > > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people of > Empire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and he > mentioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, until > further notice. > > > > DISCUSS HERE about these new screenie in the WSC Forum > > > > By Eric Cote > > > > > > > >

� hi Joel, been a long time :)� All I can say, the West Bros has invest so much in this (won't tell details) that they will pursue there dreams, as for answers of delay, well a big one comes from not finalized licencing with cars manufacturer and tracks owner, and also from the fact that with DX8 , the wait is worth it. There's so much they can do with it, including all the bells and whistles of d3d, direct sounds and direct voice (online play).. Eric "Joel A. Willstein" wrote:

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> Eric, > > ����� It's been more then 2 years, and all we have are screen shots. Since > you can talk to Chris West, what ever happened to the promised demo that was > susposed to be released after last years E3 expo?� And when are we going to > get a demo so that we can test out the physics. Afterall, screen shots are > one thing, but don't really have much to do with the actual sim. > > ���� I still remember all those screen shots from the Trans-Am and Skip > Barber sims that got canceled. > > Joel Willstein > [email hidden] > > Leroy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9eacn3$t8f$[email hidden]... > > http://www.simracingmag.com > > > > Quote - > > > > Sunday May 20th, 2001 > > > > WSC : Newest Screenie ! > > > > Chris West just gave me these screenshots, they are all brand new, take a > LOOK. Aren't they rather nice ? More will come soon, > > hopefully some cockpit ones and more from Brands Hatch. Would like to > thank Chris and Tony for these, brilliant work they are doing > > :) > > > > You can also access all other screenies from the WSC screenshots section. > > > > Seems that some rumors started around, some people meeting people of > Empire at the E3, basically they were told that WSC would be > > out only in May 2002. I spoke to Chris West of West Racing and he > mentioned he was the last one to hear about it. So guys, it's > > totally false, so for now WSC is still due at the end of this year, until > further notice. > > > > DISCUSS HERE about these new screenie in the WSC Forum > > > > By Eric Cote > > > > > > > >

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi Gault, what I do know (and yes I speak to Chris everyday) is Chrisalmost > fell off his chairs when some folks at Empire told few people in a Hotelhall > that it was due in May 2002... It's possible they said that to calm downthose > who are counting the days... I dunno. So far nothing has changed, it's theend > of the year... upon further notice > Thanks-that's good news!

Hey Simon!! I said WOW!! or was it Wow!?? But I did!! :o)~ "Simon de Banke" wrote: | This astounds me! | | You all complain about how nothing comes forward and that you all want new | screen shots, etc... and then as soon as they appear, rather than saying | "WOW! they look great" (which they do!!), everyone just says "yeah, butwhy | can't we have this, that and the other"...<snipped>

you guys dont think the manufacturers and lawyers would be unhappy with a game that allowed any old joe to recreate one of their cars? i cant see this 'build realistic cars' thing being in the game if its got licenses as well. pez Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dj8O6.37288$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" > manufacturers? I'm not. The lawyers are probably > involved, so that > > > Hopefully, they'll provide us with a method for designing/including our > > own favorite cars, and they won't have to worry about the licensing > > issues for cars *we* do. > > > That is the plan, as far as I know... > dave henrie > >

The only thing I could see possibly happening as a reuslt of allowing us to build our own cars is that they would withhold licensing to the point where no cars could be delivered with the game. The car manufacturers could also put pressure on the track owners not to cooperate as well, which could result in a lot fewer tracks being included in the game. In article <9ec02c$l9e$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> you guys dont think the manufacturers and lawyers would be unhappy with a > game that allowed any old joe to recreate one of their cars? > > i cant see this 'build realistic cars' thing being in the game if its got > licenses as well. > > pez > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dj8O6.37288$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Simmons" > manufacturers? I'm not. The lawyers are probably > > involved, so that > > > > > Hopefully, they'll provide us with a method for designing/including our > > > own favorite cars, and they won't have to worry about the licensing > > > issues for cars *we* do. > > > > > That is the plan, as far as I know... > > dave henrie > > > > > > >

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It usually works like this. Developer "Can we make you car please" Manufacturer "Bugger off" two weeks later Developer "We made your car just for fun - look - doesnt it look nice" Manufacturer "Oo - that is nice - oooo - go on then - shove it in there" Or something like that Doug "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Are you saying that they took the time to model cars that they didn't > even have licenses for yet? I have never written a game so I don't > know how it works, but that seems a bit odd to me. Please correct me > if this is standard procedure... > > Todd Walker > twalker at jam dot rr dot com > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > > On Mon, 21 May 2001 11:55:01 -0400, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi Dougy :0) The reason why we're only seeing only 6 cars is very simple,

right > > > >now these guys have 18 cars built, Tony is working on more... The reasoncomes > >from Licencing issues that are taken care by Empire (it's there work).Many of > >them are in discussion or almost in terms of agreements.. Same goes toother > >tracks as well. >

Todd Walker heeft geschreven in bericht <[email hidden]>... >Are you saying that they took the time to model cars that they didn't >even have licenses for yet? I have never written a game so I don't >know how it works, but that seems a bit odd to me. Please correct me >if this is standard procedure... > The West's don't follow standard procedures. The plan is/was to create cars and show them to the carmanufacturers and have them decide if they want it in or not. The West's are convinced that their artwork and eye for detail wil make the carmanufacturers want their cars in it very cheap or even for free. And if that wouldn't do the trick they would tell them if it was left out it would most likely be build by privateers but than there would not be any guarantee for the quality. Well, that's how I understood it all. Hans van Dam

Guys....I was at E3 last year...and this year......and these are my candid remarks regarding the "speculation" on WSC and Empire and Chris and Tony and Derek Bell losing a race to me at Brands in a pair of 962's last week.......in an not-to-be-named hotel room with about 40 "spectators" jammed into the room: "No comment!" Tom Pabst

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>"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > It usually works like this. > > Developer "Can we make you car please" > Manufacturer "Bugger off *unless you pay us 50 000$*" > > two weeks later > > Developer "We made your car just for fun - look - doesnt it look nice" > Manufacturer "Oo - that is nice - oooo - go on then - shove it in there

*for only 30 000$*" > > Or something like that Close ;-) (I made some additions) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

N99 had Zero manufacturer licenses...yet after a few days a patch included the ford, chevy & pontiac logos...and even the dodge for the trucks. N4/NH didn't have all the licensed drivers yet after a short time, all those drivers were available on the web. SCGT was is the worlds greatest online used racecar shopping experience. With the exception of a very few of the shipped cars, none are licensed. My point is... the Net is more powerful than a roomful of lawyers.... (well I wish that were true ) :> dave henrie "Alexpez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ec02c$l9e$[email hidden]...

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> you guys dont think the manufacturers and lawyers would be unhappy with a > game that allowed any old joe to recreate one of their cars? > > i cant see this 'build realistic cars' thing being in the game if its got > licenses as well. > > pez > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dj8O6.37288$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Simmons" > manufacturers? I'm not. The lawyers are probably > > involved, so that > > > > > Hopefully, they'll provide us with a method for designing/including

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> > > own favorite cars, and they won't have to worry about the licensing > > > issues for cars *we* do. > > > > > That is the plan, as far as I know... > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Well, at least in the states, it's more like a question of how much the publisher is willing to pony up for the licenses... plus these contracts seem to take forever to resolve, so often you don't get final approval until days before you go Beta... thus you must do speculative development in the hopes that at least _most_ of your stuff gets licensed. When we were working on what ended up as Viper Racing, our car modeler made a ton of different cars, e.g. 288 GTO, 911, Corvette, F50, Diablo, McLaren F1, etc., but we only ended up with one car marquee to carry the whole game... hopefully the West brothers will have a more favorable ratio of cars made to cars shipped than we did, or we'll get World Super-Daewoo Racing! -Dave P. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f0hO6.9661$[email hidden]...

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> It usually works like this. > > Developer "Can we make you car please" > Manufacturer "Bugger off" > > two weeks later > > Developer "We made your car just for fun - look - doesnt it look nice" > Manufacturer "Oo - that is nice - oooo - go on then - shove it in there" > > Or something like that > > > Doug > > > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are you saying that they took the time to model cars that they didn't > > even have licenses for yet? I have never written a game so I don't > > know how it works, but that seems a bit odd to me. Please correct me > > if this is standard procedure... > > > > Todd Walker > > twalker at jam dot rr dot com > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 May 2001 11:55:01 -0400, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Dougy :0) The reason why we're only seeing only 6 cars is very

simple, > right > > > > > >now these guys have 18 cars built, Tony is working on more... Thereason

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> comes > > >from Licencing issues that are taken care by Empire (it's there work). > Many of > > >them are in discussion or almost in terms of agreements.. Same goes to > other > > >tracks as well. > > > >

"Dave Pollatsek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b0c855b$0$322$[email hidden]... snip > When we were working on what ended up as Viper Racing, our car modelermade > a ton of different cars, e.g. 288 GTO, 911, Corvette, F50, Diablo, McLaren > F1, etc., but we only ended up with one car marquee to carry the whole > game... hopefully the West brothers will have a more favorable ratio ofcars > made to cars shipped than we did, or we'll get World Super-Daewoo Racing! > -Dave P. > What a shame :o( That would have made it even better. Thomas

snip What a shame :o( That would have made it even better. Thomas