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How much would you pay for WSC (was Re: World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?)

37 posts by 18 people · 23 May 2001 22:56 UTC - 30 May 2001 19:03 UTC

How much would you pay for World Sports Cars?

Doug Hook asked what people would pay for WSC, suggesting $99.99 if the demo was good. Most said $35 to $50 was the realistic limit and that overpricing would doom sales, others joked or said they would pay more, and some suggested separate standard and pro editions. The thread drifted into banter.

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Doug Hook 23 May 2001 22:56 UTC#183431
----- Original Message ----- From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify it's > reason inside our simracing market. On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY for this promising "blockbuster" sim? What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much ,or more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds of dollars because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sell millions of copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goes up. Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---video and audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulation racers. The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,but there will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar for first class software desing and support then they can charge a higher price for their product. Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just don't let my wife see it.) Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroups and get back to it!!!!! :-)
I'd pay a lot for WSC BUT West Bro's have already said that this game MUST appeal widely to make money - and it aint gonna appeal to many people if it's more than �35.99 Doug "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KeXO6.7371$[email hidden]... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justifyit's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much,or > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds ofdollars > because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sell millionsof > copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goesup. > Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---videoand > audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulation racers. > The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,but there > will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar forfirst
Quoted text (7 lines)> class software desing and support then they can charge a higher price for > their product. > > Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just > don't let my wife see it.) > > Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroups
and > get back to it!!!!! > > :-) > >
Well at this price I can't see many Aussie simmers buying it. Live Rates as of 2001.05.24 00:26:31 GMT. 100.00 USD United States Dollars = 193.913 AUD Australia Dollars 1 USD = 1.93913 AUD 1 AUD = 0.515696 USD Cheers, David. TopLoader. Melbourne, Australia.
On Wed, 23 May 2001 22:56:42 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY for this >promising "blockbuster" sim? > >What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much ,or >more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) This marketing strategy won't work with game software, because it has a finite shelf life. It doesn't expire, but something better always comes along. With that in mind, I'd pay $50 for it. That is about the most I'll pay for any entertainment software. If WSC came out for $99, it'd be in my price range in less than 4 months. There was a company that did a combat simulation. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the name of the company was Military Simulations, and the game was called "Back To Bagdad" or something like that. It came out for $100. That company is no longer around. As realistic as it tried to be, it was entertainment software. The funny thing is that companies making simulation software for pilot training can successfully sell their stuff for up to $300, and upgrades for $100. This seems to be kind of the market you're putting WSC in, but since it won't help you achieve the goal of getting your racing liscense, it'll always be considered entertainment software. Sorry for the ramble, but it's an interesting question and I wanted to back up my rationale. Tim
>"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justifyit's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much,or > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) Anything under 100$ would be good for me. It won't ever be more, unless it wants to be a commercial failure (imho). If somebody wants to pay more for WSC, I'm sure the West Brothers will gladly accept donations ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > Anything under 100$ would be good for me. It won't ever be more, unless it > wants to be a commercial failure (imho). If somebody wants to pay more for > WSC, I'm sure the West Brothers will gladly accept donations ;-D Nah, buy extra copies and spread the gospel instead. -- -asbjxrn
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jvZO6.4006$[email hidden]... : Anything under 100$ would be good for me. It won't ever be more, unless it : wants to be a commercial failure (imho). Hmmmm, $150 Canadian... yes, failure would be an understatement. For me, if WSC lives up to its promise then it's the closest thing to a "killer app" for the hardware I have (or will have). Most people here (r.a.s'ers) would likely buy it without hesitation at that price but not many other consumers would. Too bad the Wests can't skip the retail channel and make this a downloadable product. I'd pay $100 and burn my own CD happily if I thought that (almost) all that money was going to the creators. SB.
How do you plan to pay for it since you are too damn lazy to WORK for a living??? ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jvZO6.4006$[email hidden]... > >"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify > it's > > > reason inside our simracing market. > > > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY for > this > > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much > ,or > > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > > Anything under 100$ would be good for me. It won't ever be more, unless it > wants to be a commercial failure (imho). If somebody wants to pay more for > WSC, I'm sure the West Brothers will gladly accept donations ;-D > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > How do you plan to pay for it since you are too damn lazy to WORK for a > living??? ;) oh the pain!... not ;-) Not working doesn't mean that I don't have money ya Posse! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Socialist or thief? Wait.. is there a difference? ;) =P -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XV8P6.8152$[email hidden]... > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > > How do you plan to pay for it since you are too damn lazy to WORK for a > > living??? ;) > > > oh the pain!... not ;-) > > > Not working doesn't mean that I don't have money ya Posse! > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
I fit was good then I'd pay up to the �40.00 usual as thats what new games cost but no more. If it wasn't up to standardthe the bargain bin for it be :-) Sorry, that was cruel. Doug Hook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KeXO6.7371$[email hidden]... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justifyit's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much,or > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds ofdollars > because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sell millionsof > copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goesup. > Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---videoand > audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulation racers. > The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,but there > will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar forfirst
Quoted text (7 lines)> class software desing and support then they can charge a higher price for > their product. > > Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just > don't let my wife see it.) > > Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroups
and > get back to it!!!!! > > :-) > >
Do I hear $8, 8, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80, 85, 85, 85, 85, 5, 5, $90? Sold to the man with the yellow, green & purple plaid Bermudaz! "Todd Walker" wrote: | I wouldn't pay more than $60 for it, no matter how great it was. OK, | MAYBE $70 but not a penny more! ;-) | Todd Walker
Thom j. 24 May 2001 21:07 UTC↳ reply to Jagg#183100
Hey Jagg!! What about a 100% authentic Bud Bundy Blow'up Doll? "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | $1,000,000.00, but only if I get to sleep with your wife/girlfriend | too.
[email hidden] (Sideshow Bob) wrote: > I'd pay $100 and burn my own CD happily if I thought that (almost) > all that money was going to the creators. I like the idea of being able to buy into the late stages of beta testing via paypal or something similar. I'd happily pay full release price or more to DL it and be practising the full sim a month or two ahead of the competition. God knows I need all the help I can get to be competitive :-> Andrew McP
>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > Socialist or thief? > > Wait.. is there a difference? ;) =P That could be interpreted as a syllogism, therefore all men are socialists ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
No matter how good the product is...if the item is overpriced it just won't sell. Think of any computer game that retails for more than...$75 us. I can think of one..the original price of Xplane....now..not to be rude..but how many copies of Xplane sold compared to FS2k??? dave henrie "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KeXO6.7371$[email hidden]... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justifyit's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much,or > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds ofdollars > because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sell millionsof > copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goesup. > Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---videoand > audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulation racers. > The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,but there > will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar forfirst
Quoted text (7 lines)> class software desing and support then they can charge a higher price for > their product. > > Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just > don't let my wife see it.) > > Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroups
and > get back to it!!!!! > > :-) > >
On Thu, 24 May 2001 23:32:39 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > No matter how good the product is...if the item is overpriced it just >won't sell. Think of any computer game that retails for more than...$75 us. >I can think of one..the original price of Xplane....now..not to be rude..but >how many copies of Xplane sold compared to FS2k??? >dave henrie And it certainly never deserved to be sold at such a high price either, IMO. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip
Tim O 25 May 2001 10:34 UTC↳ reply to Jagg#182991
On Thu, 24 May 2001 22:52:16 -0400, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote: >And it certainly never deserved to be sold at such a high price >either, IMO. Exactly. But for $35 bucks, I thought it was a good deal and snagged it. I wasn't thinking about X-Plane, but that's a perfect comparison. Tim
I've beat the hell out of somebody for less things than calling me a Socialist! ;) ROFLMAO -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YsgP6.7859$[email hidden]... > That could be interpreted as a syllogism, therefore all men are socialists > ;-) >
In article <cKeP6.2426$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >Hey Jagg!! What about a 100% authentic Bud Bundy Blow'up Doll? > >"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| $1,000,000.00, but only if I get to sleep with your wife/girlfriend >| too. Ewww....wasn't Bud the *dog*...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
> > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote > > That could be interpreted as a syllogism, therefore all men aresocialists > > ;-) > > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > I've beat the hell out of somebody for less things than calling me a > Socialist! ;) ROFLMAO Then show your arse at the Albany LAN you posse ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Ill get Ramsden there and we will get your @ss drunk, then I'll let Ramsden strip you down and tie you to the hood of the car while he drives you around downtown Albany. ROFLMAO Hopefully there won't be a Star Trek convention for you to scream at. ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eYyP6.2595$[email hidden]... > > > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote > > > That could be interpreted as a syllogism, therefore all men are > socialists > > > ;-) > > > > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I've beat the hell out of somebody for less things than calling me a > > Socialist! ;) ROFLMAO > > > Then show your arse at the Albany LAN you posse ;-) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KeXO6.7371$[email hidden]... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justifyit's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > promising "blockbuster" sim? My left nut. Jason Pants
OMG Ur too Funny Eldred!! No it was the kid and he was always getting caught using his Blow'Up doll... Even His sister caught him a few times...lol Cindy Applegate YummmmmmmY!! :o)~ "EldredP" wrote: | Ewww....wasn't Bud the *dog*...? | Eldred
EldredP 26 May 2001 15:51 UTC↳ reply to Jagg#182776
In article <[email hidden]>, Jagg <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (8 lines)>On 25 May 2001 14:16:21 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Ewww....wasn't Bud the *dog*...? >> >>Eldred > >No, Bud was the son.
Shows how much *I* cared about the show...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > Ill get Ramsden there and we will get your @ss drunk Well *duh* that's a given thing! > then I'll let Ramsden strip you down and tie you to the hood > of the car while he drives you around downtown Albany. I'm game ;) > Hopefully there won't be a Star Trek convention for you to scream at. ;) Well it was Halloween last year. I doubt I'll a see a trekkie for my personal pleasure in late August this time ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Hey Watch It E.. Remember Cindy Appelgate was on that show!! YummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmY! :o)~ "EldredP" wrote: | Shows how much *I* cared about the show...<g> | Eldred
You don't know Albaby that well do you? Its always Halloween! ROFLMAO BTW... PEARL HARBOR ROCKED!!!! =) The local PH veterans group gave it a thumbs up although they said it would have been impossible for them to recreate the bombing accurately, "they came very close from our perspective". Two of our locals were in the room when they detected the planes coming in and their report was "dismissed" as friendlies. Interesting stuff and even though I thought I was going to be bored with 2hr 45min of sappy love story and 15 min of action... the 3 hours went by very quickly and I enjoyed the whole film as did my wife and the other 2 people we went with. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RtQP6.3320$[email hidden]... > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Ill get Ramsden there and we will get your @ss drunk > > Well *duh* that's a given thing! > > > then I'll let Ramsden strip you down and tie you to the hood > > of the car while he drives you around downtown Albany. > > I'm game ;) > > > > Hopefully there won't be a Star Trek convention for you to scream at. ;) > > Well it was Halloween last year. I doubt I'll a see a trekkie for my > personal pleasure in late August this time ;-D > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
Hi all, I would pay the 100$ US for WSC, no sweat. Even more, if it turns out to be everything it is promising to be. But there is, I think, a way to please everyone and get good sales...how about making it in 2 different versions? 1 - The normal game, with all the normal things, for the normal market, for the normal price, and... 2 - A "simmer�s" Pack, with editing tools, paintshops, track editors, car editors, plus a few "fantasy" sample files, and all the manuals, for a premium price. Big sales volume would come from the normal version, which could be more user-friendly, simpler and full of mass-market appealling items, and the hardcore simmers would pay the premium for all the stuff that would make it a long-life, much loved product! (Is this whisful thinking or what?) DF Doug Hook wrote:
Quoted text (29 lines)> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify it's > > reason inside our simracing market. > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY for this > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much ,or > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds of dollars > because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sell millions of > copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goes up. > Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---video and > audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulation racers. > The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,but there > will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar for first > class software desing and support then they can charge a higher price for > their product. > > Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just > don't let my wife see it.) > > Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroups and > get back to it!!!!! > > :-)
Excellent idea. This is what MS do with their Flight Sim series, FS 2000 for �30 and FS 2000 Pro was about �45 IIRC, with more planes, options and detail. If the 'budget/arcade racers' version could appeal to the Sports Car GT / GT3 / F355 Challenge market, it could do a lot for sales. Another option would be to have the editors, plus a few extra cars and tracks released six months later as an add-on pack for another �20 or so. "Daniel Frois" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all, > > I would pay the 100$ US for WSC, no sweat. Even more, if it turns out tobe > everything it is promising to be. > > But there is, I think, a way to please everyone and get good sales...howabout > making it in 2 different versions? > > 1 - The normal game, with all the normal things, for the normal market,for the > normal price, and... > > 2 - A "simmer�s" Pack, with editing tools, paintshops, track editors, car > editors, plus a few "fantasy" sample files, and all the manuals, for apremium > price. > > Big sales volume would come from the normal version, which could be more > user-friendly, simpler and full of mass-market appealling items, and the > hardcore simmers would pay the premium for all the stuff that would makeit a
Quoted text (7 lines)> long-life, much loved product! > > (Is this whisful thinking or what?) > > DF > > Doug Hook wrote:
> But there is, I think, a way to please everyone and get good sales...howabout > making it in 2 different versions? >I'm sure the developers could squeeze more requirements into their schedule....NOT ;)
The term "sheep!" comes to mind, Ok, so thats a bit hash but come on, even if this sim does turn up and is any good, nothing is worth that money. And as I have said over and over, we have nothing to show that "it is that good". Don't count your chickens lads.... Surely you should all know that by now, i.e. Eidos, UbiSoft (though sometimes pretty decent), Microprose (SOS) and ugh, Playstations "sims" featuresing "real physics", etc.... Daniel Frois <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all, > > I would pay the 100$ US for WSC, no sweat. Even more, if it turns out tobe > everything it is promising to be. > > But there is, I think, a way to please everyone and get good sales...howabout > making it in 2 different versions? > > 1 - The normal game, with all the normal things, for the normal market,for the > normal price, and... > > 2 - A "simmer�s" Pack, with editing tools, paintshops, track editors, car > editors, plus a few "fantasy" sample files, and all the manuals, for apremium > price. > > Big sales volume would come from the normal version, which could be more > user-friendly, simpler and full of mass-market appealling items, and the > hardcore simmers would pay the premium for all the stuff that would makeit a
Quoted text (12 lines)> long-life, much loved product! > > (Is this whisful thinking or what?) > > DF > > Doug Hook wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > > > > > > Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify
it's > > > reason inside our simracing market. > > > > On those lines of thinking.........What would you be willing to PAY forthis > > promising "blockbuster" sim? > > > > What if ,at release, the price is $99.99 ??? I say I would pay that much,or > > more, IF I liked the D-E-M-O (hint hint Empire) > > > > Think about all the software thats out there that costs hundreds ofdollars > > because it's designed for a niche market and isn't going to sellmillions of > > copies to be able to turn a huge profit. So what happens? The price goesup. > > Wether that market be a CAD program for engineers or architects---videoand > > audio editing software for professionals , or hardcore simulationracers. > > The companies that sell them know if it's not going to sell lots,butthere > > will still be a loyal following who definetly will pay top dollar forfirst > > class software desing and support then they can charge a higher pricefor > > their product. > > > > Tell me where to send my check Empire. I'm sending you a blank one.(Just > > don't let my wife see it.) > > > > Hey Tony and Chris,what are you two doing here? Stop reading newsgroupsand > > get back to it!!!!! > > > > :-) >
Ok Pay mine too will ya.. :o)~ "Daniel Frois" wrote: | I would pay the 100$ US for WSC, no sweat. Even more, if it turns out tobe | everything it is promising to be.

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