AMD Compatibility issues?

Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our beloved racing sims? I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded someone from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This was much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going AMD for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road just yet. Thanks, Marc. -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

Marc, I've been an AMD guys since the 486-100 days, all the way through the K6, K6-2, and now I'm running a Duron 750 (overclocked from 600). I've had NO problems with compatibility due to my AMD processors, ever. I have experienced problems with lockups and such due to various video cards over time (Voodoo Banshee seemed to be the worst), but my Duron system with a GeForce256 card is ROCK-SOLID and VERY fast in all sims I throw at it (haven't tried the full version of N4, but the demo is fine, and GPL works great in D3D mode). I don't dislike Intel, but I'm a tightwad, and AMD products always win out on the price point issue for me. Now with the new Durons and Athlons, the performance gap has been bridged, so from a performance AND a price standpoint, I'd highly recommend a Duron or Athlon system to ANY sim racer. -- JB On Fri, 25 May 2001 17:07:01 -0400, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our >beloved racing sims? > >I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded someone >from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% >improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This was >much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going AMD >for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road just >yet. > >Thanks, > >Marc. > >-- >**************************************************************************** >Marc Collins >[email hidden] > >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change >to take effect. Reboot now? >**************************************************************************** > > >

On Fri, 25 May 2001 17:07:01 -0400, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our >beloved racing sims? [snip] Made the switch myself already. I would say that for this particular person, since he's upgrading from a fast PIII, go with a T-Bird and not a Duron. The smaller L2 cache on the Duron does seem to make a diff. I went from a PIII 866 on an Abit BE6-II to a 1gig OC'd Duron on a KT7A-RAID. In pure CPU performance upgrade, I was a little disappointed, and I'm looking to upgrade to a T-bird 1.3ghz+ some time soon (If I can convince a friend to build a new system with my Duron). The 2 30gig ATA-100 drives in a RAID-0 striped config does kick major ass, though :). Kendt

Runnin 1Ghz Tbird @ 1.4Ghz on IWill KK266 No specific N4 probs -- Brian Grrrr baby, very grrr "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]... > Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our > beloved racing sims? > > I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded someone > from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% > improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This was > much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going AMD > for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road just > yet. > > Thanks, > > Marc. > > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? > **************************************************************************** > > >

You've tapped out your video card. 800Mhz Athlon is about where I tapped out, too, with my original GeForce DDR. Got a few more fps when I upgraded to an Athlon 1.2Ghz DDR, but not much. When I upgraded to the Hercules GTS II Pro the frame rates went through the roof. Picked up a good 30 fps. It's a leap-frog game :) -Larry "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]...

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> Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our > beloved racing sims? > > I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded someone > from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% > improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This was > much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going

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WOW! I've got a lowly GeForce256 SDR, so that must mean that my beloved video card is the bottleneck with my 750MHz Duron system. Gads! And it's such a nice card, still -- no compatibility problems, great video quality, etc. Good to know that the video card should be my next upgrade, though. Thanks! -- JB On Sat, 26 May 2001 05:54:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You've tapped out your video card. > >800Mhz Athlon is about where I tapped out, too, with my original GeForce >DDR. > >Got a few more fps when I upgraded to an Athlon 1.2Ghz DDR, but not much. > >When I upgraded to the Hercules GTS II Pro the frame rates went through the >roof. Picked up a good 30 fps. > >It's a leap-frog game :) > >-Larry > >"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]... >> Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our >> beloved racing sims? >> >> I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded someone >> from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% >> improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This was >> much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going >AMD >> for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road >just >> yet. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marc. >> >> -- >> >**************************************************************************** >> Marc Collins >> [email hidden] >> >> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change >> to take effect. Reboot now? >> >**************************************************************************** >> >> >> > >

Either or is fine. I use both a 1.33 and a P4-1.4 I like the P4 better just because it runs so much cooler and now the P4-1.4 is cheaper than the AMD's. Only extra cost is the proprietary power supply which I like for its quality rather than "haveing" to use it. No probs what so ever w/ the P4 since I bought it a few months ago. The AMD did give me some heat issues but after fooling w/ some fans etc, I'm almost happy w/ the AMD. I guess I expect alot from the 1.33 since its supposed to be "sooo much better." I really only see maybe 5 fps difference not always in the 1.33's favor. Charlie B John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> WOW! I've got a lowly GeForce256 SDR, so that must mean that my > beloved video card is the bottleneck with my 750MHz Duron system. > Gads! And it's such a nice card, still -- no compatibility problems, > great video quality, etc. > > Good to know that the video card should be my next upgrade, though. > Thanks! > > -- JB > > On Sat, 26 May 2001 05:54:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You've tapped out your video card. > > > >800Mhz Athlon is about where I tapped out, too, with my original GeForce > >DDR. > > > >Got a few more fps when I upgraded to an Athlon 1.2Ghz DDR, but not much. > > > >When I upgraded to the Hercules GTS II Pro the frame rates went through

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> >roof. Picked up a good 30 fps. > > > >It's a leap-frog game :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]... > >> Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our > >> beloved racing sims? > >> > >> I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded

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> >> much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going > >AMD > >> for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road > >just > >> yet. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Marc. > >> > >> -- > >> > >***************************************************************************

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In article <oLzP6.8$[email hidden]>, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> writes: >Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our >beloved racing sims? > I have an Athlon 1.3 - I haven't seen any problems yet... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

This person (and I too) has the GeForce2 GTS. What card did you have before going to the 2 Pro? Is the Pro one step below the Ultra? There are so many versions of the GeForce it is very confusing. But perhaps he needs a video upgrade more than CPU?? Marc. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LyHP6.68140$[email hidden]...

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> You've tapped out your video card. > > 800Mhz Athlon is about where I tapped out, too, with my original GeForce > DDR. > > Got a few more fps when I upgraded to an Athlon 1.2Ghz DDR, but not much. > > When I upgraded to the Hercules GTS II Pro the frame rates went through

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> roof. Picked up a good 30 fps. > > It's a leap-frog game :) > > -Larry > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]... > > Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our > > beloved racing sims? > > > > I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded

someone > > from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% > > improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). Thiswas

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> > much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and going > AMD > > for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4 road > just > > yet. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marc. > > > > -- > > >

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On Sun, 27 May 2001 01:27:44 -0400, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote: >This person (and I too) has the GeForce2 GTS. What card did you have before >going to the 2 Pro? Is the Pro one step below the Ultra? There are so many >versions of the GeForce it is very confusing. But perhaps he needs a video >upgrade more than CPU?? > >Marc. If you/he already have a Geforce2 then you won't see a speed increase going to the Pro version unless you run at really high resolutions. Even a Geforce3 won't show a speed increase. Upgrade the cpu. I have an AMD 1.33ghz cpu and there are no compatibility issues. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Since the 800 to 1000 only gave a 5% performance increase (when I expected 20%), I guess going from an 800 to 1.33 would be better. I would hope for a 50% increase (800 + 50% = 1200), but if it works on the same scale, it would only yield a 10% or 12% increase...not worth the bother and expense I would say. What did you have before the 1.33 and did you do any testing to compare? Marc "The Weazle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 27 May 2001 01:27:44 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >This person (and I too) has the GeForce2 GTS. What card did you havebefore > >going to the 2 Pro? Is the Pro one step below the Ultra? There are somany > >versions of the GeForce it is very confusing. But perhaps he needs avideo

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> >upgrade more than CPU?? > > > >Marc. > > If you/he already have a Geforce2 then you won't see a speed increase > going to the Pro version unless you run at really high resolutions. > Even a Geforce3 won't show a speed increase. Upgrade the cpu. > I have an AMD 1.33ghz cpu and there are no compatibility issues. > > > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip >

On Sun, 27 May 2001 13:18:41 -0400, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Since the 800 to 1000 only gave a 5% performance increase (when I expected >20%), I guess going from an 800 to 1.33 would be better. I would hope for a >50% increase (800 + 50% = 1200), but if it works on the same scale, it would >only yield a 10% or 12% increase...not worth the bother and expense I would >say. > >What did you have before the 1.33 and did you do any testing to compare? > >Marc

You won't see a 50% increase. I never did a comparison from P3 800 to 1.33 so can't really say how much faster it is. I do notice the difference though and am glad I made the upgrade. If you get an unlocked 1.33c you can usually overclock them to 1.46ghz so long as you have a good heatsink/fan. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

How do you ensure you get an unlocked chip? Marc "The Weazle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 27 May 2001 13:18:41 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Since the 800 to 1000 only gave a 5% performance increase (when Iexpected > >20%), I guess going from an 800 to 1.33 would be better. I would hopefor a > >50% increase (800 + 50% = 1200), but if it works on the same scale, itwould > >only yield a 10% or 12% increase...not worth the bother and expense Iwould

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> >say. > > > >What did you have before the 1.33 and did you do any testing to compare? > > > >Marc > > You won't see a 50% increase. I never did a comparison from P3 800 to > 1.33 so can't really say how much faster it is. I do notice the > difference though and am glad I made the upgrade. If you get an > unlocked 1.33c you can usually overclock them to 1.46ghz so long as > you have a good heatsink/fan. > > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

How do you ensure you get an unlocked chip? Marc "The Weazle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 27 May 2001 13:18:41 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Since the 800 to 1000 only gave a 5% performance increase (when Iexpected > >20%), I guess going from an 800 to 1.33 would be better. I would hopefor a > >50% increase (800 + 50% = 1200), but if it works on the same scale, itwould > >only yield a 10% or 12% increase...not worth the bother and expense Iwould

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> >say. > > > >What did you have before the 1.33 and did you do any testing to compare? > > > >Marc > > You won't see a 50% increase. I never did a comparison from P3 800 to > 1.33 so can't really say how much faster it is. I do notice the > difference though and am glad I made the upgrade. If you get an > unlocked 1.33c you can usually overclock them to 1.46ghz so long as > you have a good heatsink/fan. > > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote: : How do you ensure you get an unlocked chip? You don't. Any AMD chip can be unlocked by connecting the L1 bridges on top of the CPU with a conducting pen. Takes a few minutes max and then you can change the multiplier all you want. I don't know if anyone has tried that with the new Atlon4 CPU's, but works with tbirds and durons. Check out any PC hardware review site for detailed info and information (www.anandtech.com, www.tomshardware.com, etc) TTT

I had a GeForce DDR. The Pro is between the GTS II and the Ultra, and is much closer to the Ultra in performance. -Larry "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:570Q6.12363$[email hidden]... > This person (and I too) has the GeForce2 GTS. What card did you havebefore > going to the 2 Pro? Is the Pro one step below the Ultra? There are somany > versions of the GeForce it is very confusing. But perhaps he needs avideo

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> upgrade more than CPU?? > > Marc. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LyHP6.68140$[email hidden]... > > You've tapped out your video card. > > > > 800Mhz Athlon is about where I tapped out, too, with my original GeForce > > DDR. > > > > Got a few more fps when I upgraded to an Athlon 1.2Ghz DDR, but not

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> > > > When I upgraded to the Hercules GTS II Pro the frame rates went through > the > > roof. Picked up a good 30 fps. > > > > It's a leap-frog game :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:oLzP6.8$[email hidden]... > > > Are there any known compatibility issues with AMD Athlon CPU's and our > > > beloved racing sims? > > > > > > I have been mostly an Intel guy over the years, but just upgraded > someone > > > from a PIII 800 to a 1 GHz and there was basically a less than 5% > > > improvement in frame rates for GPL or N4 (GeForce 2 GTS video). This > was > > > much less than I expected. Thinking about returning the PIII and

going > > AMD > > > for this person instead. I don't think he wants to go down the P4road

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