fletch <[email hidden]> wrote on 26 May 2001:
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>I was running 1.1.0.3
>(read 1.2 caused slightly lower fps & so avoided upgrading)<snip>
You must be one of very few, then - for most people 1.1 was more or
less unplayable because of a slowdown fault. And if you want to play
VROC, you *need* 1.2. Now. :)
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"fletch" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> I was running 1.1.0.3(...)
> Didn't see a warning for non-P4 users to avoid the patch.
There is a warning at the download location that you needed
1.2 prior to install that patch!
You should do the following:
1. install gpl to a different folder
2. patch to the desired level (1.2 i would suggest)
3. copy your player folder to the new installation
4. apply the 3rd party patches using a tool like compfold,
comparing you old gpl folder with the new one.
5. delete the old gpl folder
Joachim
The patch was for 1.2 only, and it clearly said so on the Papy download
page. I had the foresight to backup my entire GPL folder before trying the
patch on my P3-650, although in the end it hasn't caused me any problems.
Anyway, as for getting things back to how they were, I'd try backing up your
core.ini and player.ini and un-installing and reinstalling GPL. Or you
could try getting the papycpu.sys off someone without the patch, dunno if
that'd help though.
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> First, another "thank you" to papy for their continued support of GPL. > > Unfortunately, my experience with the CPU patch has been a nightmare & > I'm just trying to get back to the setup I had. I was running 1.1.0.3 > (read 1.2 caused slightly lower fps & so avoided upgrading) and > getting just over 20 fps at tracks like Road67 (another "thank you" > !). Now I have strange "cpu throttling" effects where my car's > response seems to suddenly "slow" & also i get some warping. I'll > have the throttle open & get a no-go reaction or if I'm lucky I'll > creep along. Brakes & steering have same effect. I'm finding > barriers at every corner. A small turn quickly becomes a spin. > > As you can see from my specs, I didn't need to apply the patch but > figured "why not?" in the endless pursuit of fps. I've tried > replacing 1.2.0.2 .exe with 1.0 from my CD but that hasn't cured the > problems. I see that a couple other files were added to the > win/sys32/drivers dir. I deleted the "cpu2.sys" file: no change. Is > there some simple way to "un-patch" me? I'd still be left with 1.2 as > I don't have a 1.1.0.3 b/up. But I doubt its 1.2's fault anyway. I > don't want to have to re-install from scratch if its just a matter of > editing a line here or there. Not sure it would cure things anyhow if > system files have been altered??? > > Didn't see a warning for non-P4 users to avoid the patch. Any other > p2 / 3 users try this with any success? > > > Thanks in advance, > fletch > > Dell I8k > P2 300 > ATI Rage Pro 8M > 128
"fletch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And today's lesson is the every popular. . . "Don't fix it if it ain't
broke."
Some patches are intended to fix specific hardware problems and are at best
usless, and at worst destructive, if you do not have the specific hardware
the patch was intended for.
Patches for apps are almost always version specific. If you are not running
the version specified by the patch you can virtually expect serious
problems.
You applied a hardware patch for hardware you didn't have, and for a version
you wern't running. You're actually fairly lucky you have a recoverable
situation including all of your personal data. In other situations you might
have ended up with a computer that wouldn't even boot.
Back up all of your personal data in GPL. Obviously the players and replay
folders, and if you've applied any modifications the cars, tracks, seasons,
sound folders. Any files in the GPL folder that have been modified such as
core.ini.
Uninstall GPL. Reinstall GPL. Apply patches. Copy your backups over the new
install.
While you are doing all of this you will be thinking:
" Next time I will only install patches to fix problems I already have, I
will not install hardware patches for hardware I don't have, I will not
install a version patch for a version I don't have, I WILL backup BEFORE I
install any patch because these computer thingys are ornery buggers and who
knows WHAT the bloody things will decide to do."
I don't suppose you have a CD-R? Once every month or so, or more often if
I've been making a lot of changes, I'll burn the whole GPL folder to CD.
Then if the worst happens all I have to do is reinstall GPL, apply the
patches, and then copy over the folder from the CD.
15 minutes tops, most of it spent drinking coffee, and I'm back in business.
KFG
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> First, another "thank you" to papy for their continued support of GPL. > > Unfortunately, my experience with the CPU patch has been a nightmare & > I'm just trying to get back to the setup I had. I was running 1.1.0.3 > (read 1.2 caused slightly lower fps & so avoided upgrading) and > getting just over 20 fps at tracks like Road67 (another "thank you" > !). Now I have strange "cpu throttling" effects where my car's > response seems to suddenly "slow" & also i get some warping. I'll > have the throttle open & get a no-go reaction or if I'm lucky I'll > creep along. Brakes & steering have same effect. I'm finding > barriers at every corner. A small turn quickly becomes a spin. > > As you can see from my specs, I didn't need to apply the patch but > figured "why not?" in the endless pursuit of fps. I've tried > replacing 1.2.0.2 .exe with 1.0 from my CD but that hasn't cured the > problems. I see that a couple other files were added to the > win/sys32/drivers dir. I deleted the "cpu2.sys" file: no change. Is > there some simple way to "un-patch" me? I'd still be left with 1.2 as > I don't have a 1.1.0.3 b/up. But I doubt its 1.2's fault anyway. I > don't want to have to re-install from scratch if its just a matter of > editing a line here or there. Not sure it would cure things anyhow if > system files have been altered??? > > Didn't see a warning for non-P4 users to avoid the patch. Any other > p2 / 3 users try this with any success? > > > Thanks in advance, > fletch > > Dell I8k > P2 300 > ATI Rage Pro 8M > 128
fletch wrote:
>
> First, another "thank you" to papy for their continued support of GPL.
>
> Unfortunately, my experience with the CPU patch has been a nightmare....
<SNIP>
> Dell I8k
> P2 300
> ATI Rage Pro 8M
> 128
Before you ran the patch how many FPS were you getting?
Gerry
Ah, I see. Your post was a little unclear, I was under the impression you
had cpu-patched 1.1.
Any luck re-installing?
"fletch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Seems I wasn't clear in my original post. Yes, I followed the<snip>
>
> Having said that, I'll try a re-install & see what happens.
>
> fletch
You figured "WHY NOT"...So you didn't SEE where it said "P4 1.7ghz users and
above"?
Hmmmm.........
"fletch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> First, another "thank you" to papy for their continued support of GPL. > > Unfortunately, my experience with the CPU patch has been a nightmare & > I'm just trying to get back to the setup I had. I was running 1.1.0.3 > (read 1.2 caused slightly lower fps & so avoided upgrading) and > getting just over 20 fps at tracks like Road67 (another "thank you" > !). Now I have strange "cpu throttling" effects where my car's > response seems to suddenly "slow" & also i get some warping. I'll > have the throttle open & get a no-go reaction or if I'm lucky I'll > creep along. Brakes & steering have same effect. I'm finding > barriers at every corner. A small turn quickly becomes a spin. > > As you can see from my specs, I didn't need to apply the patch but > figured "why not?" in the endless pursuit of fps. I've tried > replacing 1.2.0.2 .exe with 1.0 from my CD but that hasn't cured the > problems. I see that a couple other files were added to the > win/sys32/drivers dir. I deleted the "cpu2.sys" file: no change. Is > there some simple way to "un-patch" me? I'd still be left with 1.2 as > I don't have a 1.1.0.3 b/up. But I doubt its 1.2's fault anyway. I > don't want to have to re-install from scratch if its just a matter of > editing a line here or there. Not sure it would cure things anyhow if > system files have been altered??? > > Didn't see a warning for non-P4 users to avoid the patch. Any other > p2 / 3 users try this with any success? > > > Thanks in advance, > fletch > > Dell I8k > P2 300 > ATI Rage Pro 8M > 128 >The patch should have no ill effects on slower systems, and in my testing on
a number of different systems that is indeed the case. What OS are you
using? Win95 will use the patch's VCPU2.VXD to determine the machine's CPU
speed while Win98, WinME, Win2000, WinXP will all use PAPYCPU2.SYS (both
methods now use the same code as NASCAR4). Do you have NASCAR4, and if so,
does it show the same behavior?
You should be able to simply reinstall the GPL 1.2 patch and be done with
it. The 2 files added by the cpufix (only one of which was even used with
the cpufix patch installed as noted above) should no longer be used.
However if you really want to completely remove any and all traces of the
cpufix patch you should delete the leftover VCPU2.VXD from your GPL
directory. Then if don't have NASCAR4 installed, you can also delete
PAPYCPU2.SYS from c:\windows\system32\drivers and remove its registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\papycpu2. Note that if
you have NASCAR4 installed you MUST keep these.
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Eric
"fletch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Don't know if you've seen my 2nd post yet. I was getting about 20 fps
> in F10 mode with a clear track. Never any warping or hiccups.
>
> I'm not showing any difference in fps now. But cars dissappear for a
> few seconds (never mine tho) & my throttle/brakes/steering "act up".
> They seem to be in a sort of hyper mode: either too much response or
> not enough. Most noticeable when I'm in a pack & the fps drop - which
> makes sense really when you consider the function of the patch.
> Obviously, the effects are less noticeable with high spec cpu's.
>
> As for those who have nothing better/constructive to add than "why
> patch a P2"...several reasons. If it can cure problems from too much
> cpu, maybe it can help at the other extreme: too little. Turns out it
> does effect slower cpu's - just not in a positive way (so far). Plus
> the next patch/add-on will almost certainly only work with the latest
> version, just as this one did. You have to assume everyone will
> eventually need to run the patch. More patches coming soon, right???
>
> I hope the header got the attention of papy. Even tho the patch is
> "unsupported", I'd stiil like to see a response from them as to how to
> undo the patch. Especially since it may alter non-GPL files. Can't
> think why else it would put a driver in the win dir & re-boot.
>
> Re-install results tomorrow. Too busy watching the real stuff today.
well I don't know anything about programming and what loads certain
functions place on a cpu. But the patch changed a 32bit register to a 64bit
register...or something to that effect...Since the new timing code uses a
larger set of numbers...one would think it would also require a-bit more cpu
oomph than the old unpatched version.
btw...no matter what folks said about the 1.1 patch being faster, it also
had a very problematic bug that caused the quick release of v1.2. Do
yourself a favor and upgrade.
dave henrie
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> On Sat, 26 May 2001 19:32:39 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Before you ran the patch how many FPS were you getting? > > > >Gerry > > > Don't know if you've seen my 2nd post yet. I was getting about 20 fps > in F10 mode with a clear track. Never any warping or hiccups. > > I'm not showing any difference in fps now. But cars dissappear for a > few seconds (never mine tho) & my throttle/brakes/steering "act up". > They seem to be in a sort of hyper mode: either too much response or > not enough. Most noticeable when I'm in a pack & the fps drop - which > makes sense really when you consider the function of the patch. > Obviously, the effects are less noticeable with high spec cpu's. > > As for those who have nothing better/constructive to add than "why > patch a P2"...several reasons. If it can cure problems from too much > cpu, maybe it can help at the other extreme: too little. Turns out it > does effect slower cpu's - just not in a positive way (so far). Plus > the next patch/add-on will almost certainly only work with the latest > version, just as this one did. You have to assume everyone will > eventually need to run the patch. More patches coming soon, right??? > > I hope the header got the attention of papy. Even tho the patch is > "unsupported", I'd stiil like to see a response from them as to how to > undo the patch. Especially since it may alter non-GPL files. Can't > think why else it would put a driver in the win dir & re-boot. > > Re-install results tomorrow. Too busy watching the real stuff today.hahaha my thoughts exactly. Dude is running a P2300 and installs a
patch designed for a P4 1.7Ghz,, why, why, why ???????????
oh well, guess some things can't be explained
On Sat, 26 May 2001 13:52:23 -0700, "RegularRacer" <[email hidden]>
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>You figured "WHY NOT"...So you didn't SEE where it said "P4 1.7ghz users and >above"? >Hmmmm......... > > > > > > >"fletch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> First, another "thank you" to papy for their continued support of GPL. >> >> Unfortunately, my experience with the CPU patch has been a nightmare & >> I'm just trying to get back to the setup I had. I was running 1.1.0.3 >> (read 1.2 caused slightly lower fps & so avoided upgrading) and >> getting just over 20 fps at tracks like Road67 (another "thank you" >> !). Now I have strange "cpu throttling" effects where my car's >> response seems to suddenly "slow" & also i get some warping. I'll >> have the throttle open & get a no-go reaction or if I'm lucky I'll >> creep along. Brakes & steering have same effect. I'm finding >> barriers at every corner. A small turn quickly becomes a spin. >> >> As you can see from my specs, I didn't need to apply the patch but >> figured "why not?" in the endless pursuit of fps. I've tried >> replacing 1.2.0.2 .exe with 1.0 from my CD but that hasn't cured the >> problems. I see that a couple other files were added to the >> win/sys32/drivers dir. I deleted the "cpu2.sys" file: no change. Is >> there some simple way to "un-patch" me? I'd still be left with 1.2 as >> I don't have a 1.1.0.3 b/up. But I doubt its 1.2's fault anyway. I >> don't want to have to re-install from scratch if its just a matter of >> editing a line here or there. Not sure it would cure things anyhow if >> system files have been altered??? >> >> Didn't see a warning for non-P4 users to avoid the patch. Any other >> p2 / 3 users try this with any success? >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> fletch >> >> Dell I8k >> P2 300 >> ATI Rage Pro 8M >> 128 >> > >
fletch wrote:
>
> Don't know if you've seen my 2nd post yet. I was getting about 20 fps
> in F10 mode with a clear track. Never any warping or hiccups.
Ok, putting aside the patch problem for the moment, I think if you want
to get 36fps on your system then your ATI Rage Pro 8M has to go, or at
least be helped by adding a Voodoo2 card.
You MIGHT want to think about getting a Voodoo3, maybe a 2000pci or a
3000agp, that will really improve the experience of gpl for you. I know
the manufacturers have done tits up, but I saw some cheap v3's at PC
World yesterday.
Really and truly 20fsp in F10 on a clear track shows to me how
incompatible your set-up is with gpl atm.
Also, as mentioned by others, you really don't want to be using the
v1.1. It has a timing bug in it which v1.2 fixed.
I know this isn't the advice you were asking for and you prolly don't
want to hear it, but if you like gpl now you'll love it to death in
cockpit view with 36fps. Also IMO the physics never feels right at
anything below 36fps either so...
Hope that gives you food for thought.
Gerry
PS: BTW, are you aware that 36fps is the maximum frame rate?
fletch wrote:
>
> Great. Show me a way how to slap it into a Dell I8k laptop & I'll
> happily buy one. I'm stuck, unfortunately.
Oh yeah, sorry I missed that. I wouldn't know a Dell I8k if it jumped up
and bit me. Mind you, I wouldn't let a Dell of any kind in the house,
all the people I know who've had one have been very disappointed with
their performance in gaming.
Congrats on getting GPL to run on one.
Cheers
Gerry
Someone posted a while back on Dell Talk the part numbers needed to
upgrade the I8k from and ATI to the GeForce2Go, but the moderators at
Dell Talk removed the post! I am sure someone there has the part
numbers. Worth a look-see!
SLG
fletch <[email hidden]> wrote:
(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)
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>Great. Show me a way how to slap it into a Dell I8k laptop & I'll >happily buy one. I'm stuck, unfortunately. > >fps varies on a lot of factors, but I doubt anyone with the same >set-up is getting better #'s. I prefer 8x6 mode/full detail vs. >higher fps. 10x8 is sadly only useful for replays & wishful thinking. > >gforce2go (maybe rad2) & P3-1G in next Inspiron will save the day I >expect. > > > >On Sun, 27 May 2001 10:01:33 +0100, Gerry Aitken ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>Ok, putting aside the patch problem for the moment, I think if you want >>to get 36fps on your system then your ATI Rage Pro 8M has to go, or at >>least be helped by adding a Voodoo2 card. >> >>You MIGHT want to think about getting a Voodoo3, maybe a 2000pci or a >>3000agp, that will really improve the experience of gpl for you. I know >>the manufacturers have done tits up, but I saw some cheap v3's at PC >>World yesterday. >> >>Really and truly 20fsp in F10 on a clear track shows to me how >>incompatible your set-up is with gpl atm. >> >>Also, as mentioned by others, you really don't want to be using the >>v1.1. It has a timing bug in it which v1.2 fixed. >> >>I know this isn't the advice you were asking for and you prolly don't >>want to hear it, but if you like gpl now you'll love it to death in >>cockpit view with 36fps. Also IMO the physics never feels right at >>anything below 36fps either so... >> >>Hope that gives you food for thought. >> >>Gerry >> >>PS: BTW, are you aware that 36fps is the maximum frame rate? >In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken
<[email hidden]> writes:
>Oh yeah, sorry I missed that. I wouldn't know a Dell I8k if it jumped up
>and bit me. Mind you, I wouldn't let a Dell of any kind in the house,
>all the people I know who've had one have been very disappointed with
>their performance in gaming.
>
>Congrats on getting GPL to run on one.
All 3 of my GPL servers are Dells...<g>
Eldred
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