Leadfoot demo only 8Mb

www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. Paul "It is by the goodness of God that we have in our country three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either" - Mark Twain

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> > www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > > > Paul > > "It is by the goodness of God that we have in our country three > unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, > and the prudence never to practice either" > > - Mark Twain >

Tell Mark feadom of speech isn't always such a good thing: http://www.halturnershow.com a bit of a lack of prudence there

paul lacy <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > > www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. 8mb! wow! thats a small file size for a demo! Currently downloading! -- brian - Turn up the heat to reply -

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> paul lacy <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> >> www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > > 8mb! wow! thats a small file size for a demo! > > Currently downloading! >

Well, I have downloaded it, and given it a quick try. It is "fun" but there are a few problems / issues though. 1) Damage modelling. OK, so you can squish the chassis. But what about things like suspension damage etc? 2) Collision detection. If you run along side the barriers, your wheels actually dissappear *into* the barrier! Of course, this is a demo. Are these issues fixed in the full version? -- brian - Turn up the heat to reply -

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> [email hidden] (RenderedBrian) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > paul lacy <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:[email hidden]: > > > >> > >> www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > > > > 8mb! wow! thats a small file size for a demo! > > > > Currently downloading! > > > > Well, I have downloaded it, and given it a quick try. > > It is "fun" but there are a few problems / issues though. > > 1) Damage modelling. OK, so you can squish the chassis. But what about > things like suspension damage etc? > > 2) Collision detection. If you run along side the barriers, your wheels > actually dissappear *into* the barrier! >

Not sure about the other things, but your wheels do do as you say in the retail. But if you run cockpit view, as one would think you would, then this is not an issue. > Of course, this is a demo. >Overall this is a nice title. For the asking price, you can't beat it. Alanb > > -- > brian > - Turn up the heat to reply -

Actually pretty ironic you used that web site as an example, since Mark Twain, AKA Samuel Clemens, wasn't fond of black people himself. Had you read any of the real text of his work, you'd dislike him if you dislike Hal Turner. Tim On Mon, 28 May 2001 15:01:22 GMT, "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"paul lacy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. >> >> >> Paul >> >> "It is by the goodness of God that we have in our country three >> unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, >> and the prudence never to practice either" >> >> - Mark Twain >> >Tell Mark feadom of speech isn't always such a good thing: >http://www.halturnershow.com a bit of a lack of prudence there > >

Being form the UK I never had the American classics forced on me at school ;-) and I'd be worried if anyone in this group didn't dislike that Turner bloke. I just can't believe that people get away with saying stuff like that on radio if you offered views like that on UK radio you would get done and maybe even jailed for inciting racial hatred, not that allot of people don't think like that in this country :-( "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Actually pretty ironic you used that web site as an example, since > Mark Twain, AKA Samuel Clemens, wasn't fond of black people himself. > Had you read any of the real text of his work, you'd dislike him if > you dislike Hal Turner. > > Tim > > On Mon, 28 May 2001 15:01:22 GMT, "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"paul lacy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > >> > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> "It is by the goodness of God that we have in our country three > >> unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, > >> and the prudence never to practice either" > >> > >> - Mark Twain > >> > >Tell Mark feadom of speech isn't always such a good thing: > >http://www.halturnershow.com a bit of a lack of prudence there > > > > >

"Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Actually pretty ironic you used that web site as an example, since > Mark Twain, AKA Samuel Clemens, wasn't fond of black people himself. > Had you read any of the real text of his work, you'd dislike him if > you dislike Hal Turner. >I don't think there's any real, extant proof that Twain was a racist. In fact, I doubt that he was. Twain's writings, far from being racist, were simply the sign of the times. Put Twain in modern day America, and he'd be as appalled as any about some of the racial inequities still found in the US. Alanb

On Mon, 28 May 2001 20:12:08 GMT, "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Being form the UK I never had the American classics forced on me at school >;-) and I'd be worried if anyone in this group didn't dislike that Turner >bloke. I just can't believe that people get away with saying stuff like that >on radio if you offered views like that on UK radio you would get done and >maybe even jailed for inciting racial hatred, not that allot of people don't >think like that in this country :-( We never had Twain forced on us either. I read some of it outside of school. I had actually never heard (or heard of) Turner until you posted that link. I don't understand 100% where he's coming from, but from what I can tell he doesn't spout any more hate on his website than some of his black contemporaries, like Nation Of Islam member Louis Farrakhan <sp>. I'm a firm believer in turning something off if you don't like it instead of trying to legislate it out of existence. If it REALLY turns you off, it's nice to know you have the right to speak your mind in turn. Freedom of speech isn't a bad thing, IMO. Tim

Brian that is exactly what I thought! Anymore a good sim/game has at least 50megs if not a 100 for a good demo... odd? "RenderedBrian" wrote: | 8mb! wow! thats a small file size for a demo! | Currently downloading! | -- | brian | - Turn up the heat to reply -

sorry, what "real text are you referring to? it can't be huck finn, the one most people like to bash on account of one word. rob [email hidden] (Tim O) wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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> >Actually pretty ironic you used that web site as an example, since >Mark Twain, AKA Samuel Clemens, wasn't fond of black people himself. >Had you read any of the real text of his work, you'd dislike him if >you dislike Hal Turner. > >Tim > >

The entire game itself is only 100MB. On Mon, 28 May 2001 23:18:40 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Brian that is exactly what I thought! Anymore a good sim/game has >at least 50megs if not a 100 for a good demo... odd? > >"RenderedBrian" wrote: >| 8mb! wow! thats a small file size for a demo! >| Currently downloading! >| -- >| brian >| - Turn up the heat to reply - >

On Mon, 28 May 2001 07:13:24 -0700, paul lacy <[email hidden]> wrote: > >www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. Downloaded it and played it online with a couple of guys from VROC. And we had some serious FUN, this is truly a GREAT game! I'd rate it as an arcade racer though, as Henrie posted yesterday, you can't control the car in the air. And 12 of these short tracks is a bit on the small size, but for that money it's really a great game.. FUN FUN FUN :) Andre

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> >Paul > >"It is by the goodness of God that we have in our country three >unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, >and the prudence never to practice either" > > - Mark Twain >

On Tue, 29 May 2001 03:13:34 GMT, [email hidden] (rb) wrote: >sorry, > >what "real text are you referring to? it can't be huck finn, the one most >people like to bash on account of one word. Rob, I'm sorry I'm not 100% clear, but I'm thinking it was The Mysterious Stranger. His work is sprinkled with the most commonly known "N" word, as well as "nabob", another derogatory term that really isn't used anymore. Clemens DID fight for the Confederate militia, but I understand he had a change of heart regarding slavery. I just found it ironic that the Hal Turner show reference was used against a Mark Twain quote. Tim

"Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 29 May 2001 03:13:34 GMT, [email hidden] > (rb) wrote: > > >sorry, > > > >what "real text are you referring to? it can't be huck finn, the onemost

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> >people like to bash on account of one word. > > Rob, I'm sorry I'm not 100% clear, but I'm thinking it was The > Mysterious Stranger. His work is sprinkled with the most commonly > known "N" word, as well as "nabob", another derogatory term that > really isn't used anymore. > > Clemens DID fight for the Confederate militia, but I understand he had > a change of heart regarding slavery. I just found it ironic that the > Hal Turner show reference was used against a Mark Twain quote. > > Tim >

I didn't use it against the Twain quote as such just Americas idealistic view of their constitution and the fact that you are brainwashed into thinking that your country is somehow freer then the rest of the world when really it isn't, your freedom is doled out selectively i.e in the 50's members of the communist party were rounded up and jailed, where was freedom of speech and conscience for them? You had a system of apartheid up until the 70's yet I have heard Americans talk about South Africa as a country that was not free but has now seen the light. You preach about democracy but you helped install terrible dictatorships in countries like Chile overthrowing democratically elected socialist governments. You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the 'peoples' revolution overthrew your (and mine) system of greed and division for a system of equality. I know you'll all come back and defend your country to the hilt, I don't know why there's not much about my country I would defend but I see allot more good in it then yours. Just have the intelligence to look a bit sideways at things and not to always see things the way you have been taught to. Sorry not very r.a.s I'll shut up now,

"Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 29 May 2001 03:13:34 GMT, [email hidden] > (rb) wrote: > > >sorry, > > > >what "real text are you referring to? it can't be huck finn, the onemost

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> >people like to bash on account of one word. > > Rob, I'm sorry I'm not 100% clear, but I'm thinking it was The > Mysterious Stranger. His work is sprinkled with the most commonly > known "N" word, as well as "nabob", another derogatory term that > really isn't used anymore. > > Clemens DID fight for the Confederate militia, but I understand he had > a change of heart regarding slavery. I just found it ironic that the > Hal Turner show reference was used against a Mark Twain quote. > > Tim >

I didn't use it against the Twain quote as such just Americas idealistic view of their constitution and the fact that you are brainwashed into thinking that your country is somehow freer then the rest of the world when really it isn't, your freedom is doled out selectively i.e in the 50's members of the communist party were rounded up and jailed, where was freedom of speech and conscience for them? You had a system of apartheid up until the 70's yet I have heard Americans talk about South Africa as a country that was not free but has now seen the light. You preach about democracy but you helped install terrible dictatorships in countries like Chile overthrowing democratically elected socialist governments. You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the 'peoples' revolution overthrew your (and mine) system of greed and division for a system of equality. I know you'll all come back and defend your country to the hilt, I don't know why there's not much about my country I would defend but I see allot more good in it then yours. Just have the intelligence to look a bit sideways at things and not to always see things the way you have been taught to. Sorry not very r.a.s I'll shut up now,

GBB wrote: > I didn't use it against the Twain quote as such just Americas idealistic > view of their constitution and the fact that you are brainwashed into > thinking that your country is somehow freer then the rest of the world when > really it isn't, Amen. >your freedom is doled out selectively i.e in the 50's > members of the communist party were rounded up and jailed, where was freedom > of speech and conscience for them? You are free, to think *their* way. (The establishment, etc.) If you give any kind of opposition beyond mere lip service, they don't go for that any more than the authoritarian countries do. Can you say hypocrisy? >You had a system of apartheid up until > the 70's yet I have heard Americans talk about South Africa as a country > that was not free but has now seen the light. In some ways, it still exists here. It's just more subtle & "undercover". :-/ > You preach about democracy but you helped install terrible dictatorships in > countries like Chile overthrowing democratically elected socialist > governments. Yep. It was also known that the CIA helped to toss opposition supporters in Chile out of helicopters into the ocean. Really backing the forces of good, we were... >You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life > expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the 'peoples' > revolution overthrew your (and mine) system of greed and division for a > system of equality. Yep. Only country to do so too. Canada is much more enlightened. One amusing thing though. Somehow we always suppose that these blockades hurt those in power in these countries we oppose. However, those in power will always get the goods THEY need. It just takes away from their poor. That doesn't turn those people against their leaders for the simple fact that they know why they are suffering... the US is doing it to them, they've cut them off. So in effect, the US makes even more enemies for itself. Hmmm... > I know you'll all come back and defend your country to the hilt, I don't > know why there's not much about my country I would defend but I see allot > more good in it then yours. Just have the intelligence to look a bit > sideways at things and not to always see things the way you have been taught > to. Just like any country or person, when they're right I'll back them up. And when they're not, I'll slam them. I don't play the blind cheerleader & root this country on just because I live here. > Sorry not very r.a.s I'll shut up now, To bring mine back on-topic, one positive thing can be said. *WE* have GPL! ;-) -- Fester

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> On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:25:37 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life > >expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the 'peoples' > >revolution overthrew your (and mine) system of greed and division for a > >system of equality. > > *plonk* >

Good well thought out point there btw what exactly is your point?

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> > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:25:37 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> > You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life > >> >expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the

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> >> >system of equality. > >> > >> *plonk* > >> > >Good well thought out point there > > > > Thanks. > > >btw what exactly is your point? > > > > I don't like Communist tyranny. > > Do you? >

Communist tyranny? I don't like tyranny but Communism does not equate to tyranny there have been tyrannies in the name of communism, capitalism, national socialism.... Cuba is NOT one of them Castro imo is a great man I believe he has the good of the majority of his population a heart, he and Guerava had no incentive towards communism it was not in their interest, they were from educated middle class families. Yet they risked and even gave their lives for Marxism. Castro got into bed with the USSR through necessity not choice and did not believe in there particular brand of communism. The lives of the people of Cuba IS better for communism they have a very good education and health system that is available to everyone, like I said the average life expectancy has risen by 20 years since they took power and meningitis has been eradicated, and that is basicly what we are told here in the UK you are not getting the full story in the US. The boat people are running from what they see as poverty thinking they will have a better life in the land of the free, but most of them are very mistaken a land where you are free to die from syphilis if you don't have the money for treatment. Are the people streaming out of Mexico into the US running from capitalism? How you can believe that Cuba's system is a tyranny just because you are told that by a media and power base in your country that has everything to lose and nothing to gain from a more equal system just seems as foolish as your first reply.

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>>You had a system of apartheid up until >> the 70's yet I have heard Americans talk about South Africa as a country >> that was not free but has now seen the light. > > >In some ways, it still exists here. It's just more subtle & >"undercover". :-/

*Tell* me about it... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim O <[email hidden]> writes: >Actually pretty ironic you used that web site as an example, since >Mark Twain, AKA Samuel Clemens, wasn't fond of black people himself. >Had you read any of the real text of his work, you'd dislike him if >you dislike Hal Turner. > Obviously you didn't understand Huckleberry Finn. The only person with any sense at all is Jim the slave. Everyone else is a buffoon. Don McCorkle

Well Gee Andre dont "Mish-Mash" around Did ya like it?? haha "Andre Warringa" wrote: | for that money it's really a great game..| FUN FUN FUN :) | Andre<snipp'ed'ed'ed>

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> > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 17:21:40 GMT, "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:25:37 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > You still impose a blockade on Cuba a country where the life > >> >> >expectancy of the population has gone up by 20 years since the > >'peoples' > >> >> >revolution overthrew your (and mine) system of greed and division

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> >have a better life in the land of the free, but most of them are very > >mistaken a land where you are free to die from syphilis if you don't have > >the money for treatment. > > Their treatment is free. > > Next .. > > >Are the people streaming out of Mexico into the US > >running from capitalism? > > They are running TO capitalism. > > I wonder why? > > >>Castro imo is a great man > >> . > >>The lives of the people of Cuba IS better for communism > > *plonk* >

You're digging yourself a deeper hole I come up with reasoned thought out researched arguments and you come back with *plonk* you are hardly a shining light for your nation are you... And btw Mexico is a fully fledged member of the capitalist system, the point I was trying to make is the people that run away from Cuba aren't all running away from communism as your media would have you believe, they are running away from poverty (that is created by the US blockade) in the same way people try to escape to the US from Mexico. And do try to come back with more then a one line reply next time it just makes you look ignorant.

> My opinion is the US can have all the power and liberty, but we got theDFV > ;) Yeah yeah DFwhatever...do you have a 426(that's CUBIC INCHES LADDIE not weenie centimeters) Hemi?? hehe just what IS the formula for converting the litre measurement(cc) to cubic inches.(ci) and back again?? any mathNazi's here? All this bs about the Continent, or the Western Hemisphere or the land of reverse flowing toilets is becoming inconsequential...the internet will make the world one big happy CART family...(damn! how'd THAT get in there???) dave henrie

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >>You had a system of apartheid up until > >> the 70's yet I have heard Americans talk about South Africa as acountry

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Aye well anyway, surely we could all do our bit for international harmony by keeping our opinions to the subject matter of R.A.S? This is starting to look like (yet another) transatlantic p!ssing contest... My opinion is the US can have all the power and liberty, but we got the DFV ;) cheers, countrymen and colonial friends all! John

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> > My opinion is the US can have all the power and liberty, but we got the > DFV > > ;) > Yeah yeah DFwhatever...do you have a 426(that's CUBIC INCHES LADDIE not > weenie centimeters) Hemi?? > hehe just what IS the formula for converting the litre measurement(cc) to > cubic inches.(ci) and back again?? > any mathNazi's here?

It's not that hard(I hope I get this right ;-): since an inch is 2.54 centimeters, the ratio between CI and CC is 2.54 ^ 3 which is: 16.39 426 ci is 6981 cc or almost 7 liter -- -asbjxrn

A fun game indeed! If I were to make complaints tho, it would have to be about the graphics. Ratbag need to do something about their graphics-engine... Sure, framerate is very good - but the looks - well they dont exsist IMHO. Perhaps a new graphics engine would help? Also, would be nice if they could do "something" to the incar view... it just dont feel right. -- ed_ -- Note! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! Todays winners: [email hidden] Eat this - suckers! "Andre Warringa wrote: > > >www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > > Downloaded it and played it online with a couple of guys from VROC. > And we had some serious FUN, this is truly a GREAT game! > I'd rate it as an arcade racer though, as Henrie posted yesterday, you > can't control the car in the air. And 12 of these short tracks is a > bit on the small size, but for that money it's really a great game.. > FUN FUN FUN :) > > Andre

My first impressions...it's not bumpy enough. Granted I haven't raced SODA in a couple of years but I seem to remember having bumps and ruts that were much more difficult. 2nd...wouldn't dynamic ruts for Motocross and dirt track games like this be cool? For example..ruts that only develop after cars/trucks/bikes run over them several times...kinda like a two layered track...the top layer has to be wiped off by the drivers, then the race becomes not only the fastest drivers but who can find clean track to race on.. dave henrie "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uf5R6.3043$[email hidden]... > A fun game indeed! > > If I were to make complaints tho, it would have to be about the graphics. > Ratbag need to do something about their graphics-engine... Sure,framerate

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> is very good - but the looks - well they dont exsist IMHO. > > Perhaps a new graphics engine would help? > > Also, would be nice if they could do "something" to the incar view... it > just dont feel right. > > -- > ed_ > -- > Note! > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! > Todays winners: [email hidden] Eat this - suckers! > > > "Andre Warringa wrote: > > > > >www.avault.com/pcrl has the demo which is only 8 mb(!) in size. > > > > Downloaded it and played it online with a couple of guys from VROC. > > And we had some serious FUN, this is truly a GREAT game! > > I'd rate it as an arcade racer though, as Henrie posted yesterday, you > > can't control the car in the air. And 12 of these short tracks is a > > bit on the small size, but for that money it's really a great game.. > > FUN FUN FUN :) > > > > Andre > > >

"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > My opinion is the US can have all the power and liberty, but we gotthe > > DFV > > > ;) > > Yeah yeah DFwhatever...do you have a 426(that's CUBIC INCHES LADDIEnot > > weenie centimeters) Hemi?? > > hehe just what IS the formula for converting the litre measurement(cc)to

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> > cubic inches.(ci) and back again?? > > any mathNazi's here? > > It's not that hard(I hope I get this right ;-): > since an inch is 2.54 centimeters, the ratio between CI and CC is > 2.54 ^ 3 which is: 16.39 > > 426 ci is 6981 cc or almost 7 liter > -- > -asbjxrn

In that case my car's engine is 77.8 ci. I drive a 1275cc Mini ;) cheers John

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> > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > *plonk* > > > Good well thought out point there > > btw what exactly is your point? > >

that he's a plonker? cheers JM