Grand Prix 4

It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow this year with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Is this still on and if so , has a release date been mentioned yet ? I like GPL but fancy trying a modern F1 sim for a change. Andrew BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know?

"Andrew Thomas" wrote: > > BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? Errrrrhhhhh... - nope! -- ed_ -- Note! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! Eat this - suckers!

GP3 is an excellent sim, if you can get past the graphics. It isn't a beginners sim though you must stick with it and learn the tracks..

Get F1RC. The best graphics and superb physics. David G Fisher "Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9etigd$fgb$[email hidden]... > It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow thisyear

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> with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Is this > still on and if so , has a release date been mentioned yet ? > > I like GPL but fancy trying a modern F1 sim for a change. > > Andrew > > BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? > >

I had to answer your question 5 dayz ago I would say NO! But with the latest patch the fps utility and the GPXpatch1.21 this is an excellent "sim" after you swallow the weak graphic engine... and providing you have a beast under the hood! -- Oliver >xp< "Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9etigd$fgb$[email hidden]... > It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow this year > with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Is this > still on and if so , has a release date been mentioned yet ? > > I like GPL but fancy trying a modern F1 sim for a change. > > Andrew > > BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? > >

"> I had to answer your question 5 dayz ago I would say NO! But with the latest > patch the fps utility and the GPXpatch1.21 this is an excellent "sim"after > you swallow the weak graphic engine... and providing you have a beastunder > the hood! Is there a new patch for GP3? With improved fps? Where can I get it? TS

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HaxQ6.10946$[email hidden]... > Get F1RC. The best graphics and superb physics. This is not true. I have both in any version. F1 Racing Championship is as buggy as RC2 was in the beginning. In a normal ( Asus board, Asus graphics, Win98) you can have big problems with the graphics. Furthermore, the sound is plain sh... The cockpits? Oh my god. I will stick with GP3 as long as their is no useful update available for F1RC. Chris

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> > David G Fisher > > "Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9etigd$fgb$[email hidden]... > > It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow this > year > > with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Is this > > still on and if so , has a release date been mentioned yet ? > > > > I like GPL but fancy trying a modern F1 sim for a change. > > > > Andrew > > > > BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? > > > > >

>"Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote > It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow thisyear > with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Geoff Crammond would therefore need to completely go back to his source code and restart it all the way. Since he's only just a compiler programmer, I doubt such above thing would happen in such short time lapse. It took him all those years for the minimal updates that were in GP3... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Sell those Ubi Titles DGF Sell'em! Sell'em! Sell'em! hahahaha "David G Fisher" wrote: | Get F1RC. The best graphics and superb physics. | David G Fisher

> BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? I do not like GP3, there are many things about it I just do not like. I don't mind the graphics being dated somewhat. My 2 biggest complaints are the clutch (you have to engage the clutch or else the car will still be under power by the engine), the other is the joystick calibration (it's dos, and it doesn't see all my joystick functions, so it's impossible to use a button as the clutch). I played the demo of F1RC, and it seemed like if you even think about touching a curb your going to spin, and I might add, every spin seemed to be the same. Which to me is irritating, because if you watch a race, those guy's are all over the curbs. My favorite at the moment is F1CS2000, but it's far from perfect, it doesn't seem to have the "feel" of the other sims.

On Mon, 28 May 2001 19:11:03 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote >and restart it all the way. Since he's only just a compiler programmer, I Just curious. What is a compiler programmer? I would imagine anybody that started on the BBC and other 8 bit machines was more of an old school computer wiz and compiler programmer sounds like a modern phrase? Regards all, istoff

Hehe...I'm also wondering what a 'compiler programmer' is :) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lZAQ6.48$[email hidden]... > > Geoff Crammond would therefore need to completely go back to his sourcecode

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> and restart it all the way. Since he's only just a compiler programmer, I > doubt such above thing would happen in such short time lapse. It took him > all those years for the minimal updates that were in GP3... > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Someone who knows his way round Assembler, i'd hardly take it as an insult myself. Ash "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4LMQ6.885$[email hidden]...

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| Hehe...I'm also wondering what a 'compiler programmer' is :) | | "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:lZAQ6.48$[email hidden]... | > | > Geoff Crammond would therefore need to completely go back to his source | code | > and restart it all the way. Since he's only just a compiler programmer,

I | > doubt such above thing would happen in such short time lapse. It tookhim

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| > all those years for the minimal updates that were in GP3... | | > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | > -- May the Downforce be with you... | > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ | > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez | > Corporation - helping America into the New World... | |

Well, whether you use Assembly or C/C++ you still use a compiler. Hence the term 'compiler programmer' doesn't really mean much, it just describes someone who doesn't use an interpreted language like Java. "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9f05gi$cdf$[email hidden]... > Someone who knows his way round Assembler, i'd hardly take it as an insult > myself. > > Ash

Nah Simon, I mean the person who *WROTE* the compiler, any old tit can use one ;). Ash "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BVMQ6.899$[email hidden]... | Well, whether you use Assembly or C/C++ you still use a compiler. Hencethe | term 'compiler programmer' doesn't really mean much, it just describes | someone who doesn't use an interpreted language like Java. | | "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:9f05gi$cdf$[email hidden]... | > Someone who knows his way round Assembler, i'd hardly take it as aninsult | > myself. | > | > Ash | |

Err....you've lost me there :) Anyway, I imagine Fran�ois meant assembly programmer, and how it takes longer to code with asm. "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9f06fh$cpj$[email hidden]... > Nah Simon, > > I mean the person who *WROTE* the compiler, any old tit can use one ;). > > Ash

lol, sorry my brain is in document writing hell.....no wonder I cant explain anything :) yes, thats what he meant, and yes....thats what I meant......you write a compiler mostly in Assembler (or so I would imagine - not having done it myself - or ever want to!) Ash "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:89NQ6.928$[email hidden]...

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| Err....you've lost me there :) | | Anyway, I imagine Fran�ois meant assembly programmer, and how it takes | longer to code with asm. | | "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:9f06fh$cpj$[email hidden]... | > Nah Simon, | > | > I mean the person who *WROTE* the compiler, any old tit can use one ;). | > | > Ash | |

Ok, no worries :) "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9f0760$d5i$[email hidden]... > lol, sorry my brain is in document writing hell.....no wonder I cantexplain

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> anything :) > > yes, thats what he meant, and yes....thats what I meant......you write a > compiler mostly in Assembler (or so I would imagine - not having done it > myself - or ever want to!) > > Ash

"Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote > Just curious. What is a compiler programmer? I would imagine anybody > that started on the BBC and other 8 bit machines was more of an old > school computer wiz and compiler programmer sounds like a modern > phrase? SORRY! Replace compiler by "assembler". Brain freeze here, ugh! :-/ (especially since I've worked in assembler for the whole past year LOL!) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Yes, yes, yes! GP3 is superb. Since you used the word sim in your question, the EA and UBI games do not qualify. The racing is excellent with the patch, both physically and strategically. It has all the documented troubles; processor occupancy and lack of online and poor hardware usage on the graphics side but it is to date, the best driving sim available. AND While the graphics are not SBK in quality, I am quite satisfied with them. These statements are contrary to popular belief and, even after what I am about to say next, are bound to illicit negative responses, so... Go to Electronics Boutique or some other place where you can return games and get all three. DL the patches and spend a good two hours with each (on track) before bringing any back. If you are truly looking for a sim there are two titles that you will laugh at all the way back to the store. ...and then some. -- Mark Jeangerard [email hidden] Administrator GPVL F2 Division http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 "Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9etigd$fgb$[email hidden]... > It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow this year > with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved physics . Is this > still on and if so , has a release date been mentioned yet ? > > I like GPL but fancy trying a modern F1 sim for a change. > > Andrew > > BTW Is it worth getting GP3 for know? > >

mark jeangerard wrote: > > Yes, yes, yes! GP3 is superb. Since you used the word sim in your question, the EA and UBI > games do not qualify. > Yes, they do, and they do their 'simmery' (TM) well. I still prefer GP3, though, especially with the physics editor. -Gregor

ymenard wrote: > > Brain freeze here, ugh! :-/ > Since this is a sim racing news group, the proper term is 'brain fade'. ;) -Gregor

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>>"Andrew Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote >> It was said last year when GP3 was released that GP4 would follow >> this year with its online capabilities and (hopefully ) improved >> physics . > > > Geoff Crammond would therefore need to completely go back to his source > code and restart it all the way. Since he's only just a compiler > programmer, I doubt such above thing would happen in such short time > lapse. It took him all those years for the minimal updates that were > in GP3...

GP3 actually had poor sales on the scale of things. I suspect GP4 will not happen, likewise the season add-on pack from Micropose. Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email.

Zonky wrote: > > GP3 actually had poor sales on the scale of things. I suspect GP4 will not > happen, likewise the season add-on pack from Micropose. > > Z. Actually, the 2000 season update has just been announced (again) yesterday, but who really knows... :). -Gregor

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > mark jeangerard wrote: > > > > Yes, yes, yes! GP3 is superb. Since you used the word sim in your question, the EA andUBI

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> > games do not qualify. > > > > Yes, they do, and they do their 'simmery' (TM) well. I still prefer GP3, > though, especially with the physics editor. > > -Gregor

See, this is the kind of reply I was talking about and exactly why you need to try all three. You won't learn anything from reading here. -- Mark Jeangerard [email hidden] Administrator GPVL F2 Division http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2

Hi Mark, I'll assume you were speaking to me as you replied to my post. I did try all three (at least the demo for F1RC), and they all simulate driving a modern F1 car well, and, with a little bit of tweaking of some physics parameters, can be brought to feel very close to each other (the largest difference being in the differential modelling, it seems). On another point, I learned more about racing sims and racing in general in this n.g. than anywhere else, and I also hope I contributed a little share of my knowledge for others to be able to do the same. I've also learned that people who take a product and declare all its rivals to 'not be sims' are not to be taken seriously in any discussion. I'll implicitly quote Greg Cisko here; if you're a regular follower, you'll know what I'm talking about. -Gregor mark jeangerard wrote:

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> > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > Yes, they do, and they do their 'simmery' (TM) well. I still prefer GP3, > > though, especially with the physics editor. > > > > -Gregor > > See, this is the kind of reply I was talking about and exactly why you need to try all > three. You won't learn anything from reading here. >

He certainly won't learn much by your answer either. No offence, but the only thing 'superb' about GP3 is the dynamic weather. The rest is somewhere between ok and quite poor. "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qL2R6.39084$[email hidden]... > > See, this is the kind of reply I was talking about and exactly why youneed to try all > three. You won't learn anything from reading here. > > Mark Jeangerard

Do you program professionally (as a job) or as a hobby Fran�ois? "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WwQQ6.5545$[email hidden]... > > SORRY! > > Replace compiler by "assembler". > > Brain freeze here, ugh! :-/ (especially since I've worked in assemblerfor > the whole past year LOL!) > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>

No, Just in his mind. Right Franco! W "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GebR6.8937$[email hidden]...

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> Do you program professionally (as a job) or as a hobby Fran�ois? > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WwQQ6.5545$[email hidden]... > > > > SORRY! > > > > Replace compiler by "assembler". > > > > Brain freeze here, ugh! :-/ (especially since I've worked in assembler > for > > the whole past year LOL!) > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > >

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've also > learned that people who take a product and declare all its rivals to > 'not be sims' are not to be taken seriously in any discussion. Now you know why I piss off the Papy groupies. :-o David G Fisher

Now you know why I***off the Papy groupies. :-o David G Fisher

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>Zonky wrote: >> >> GP3 actually had poor sales on the scale of things. I suspect GP4 will not >> happen, likewise the season add-on pack from Micropose. >> >> Z. > >Actually, the 2000 season update has just been announced (again) >yesterday, but who really knows... :).

*2000* season update? Damn, Crammond is STILL behind the times... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes: >I'll implicitly quote Greg Cisko here; if you're a regular follower, >you'll know what I'm talking about. BTW, what HAPPENED to Greg? Haven't seen him in a while... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > Do you program professionally (as a job) or as a hobby Fran�ois? None, I'm being trained ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > yes, thats what he meant, and yes....thats what I meant......you write a > compiler mostly in Assembler (or so I would imagine - not having done it > myself - or ever want to!) You can write a compiler in pretty much any language. I just finished writing one in C myself (doesn't compile any useful programs though :-). And C was bad enough, can't imageine doing one in assembly! -- am If it's stupid and works, it isn't stupid

Just curious that's all :) Like chatting with other programmers. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ujjR6.15859$[email hidden]...

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> > None, I'm being trained ;-) > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World...