Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online
racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term) about the
history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup has played in
the evolution of it. In the process, some old thoughts came together in a
new way, and some new opinions/observations were formed as a result.
I'd like to share one of them, because it seems significant to me.....and
something that I have never thought of prior to a few minutes ago! This
isn't really about "sim racing" per se. In fact, I almost titled the
"subject" of this post as "OT"......but didn't. It is about the individuals
who make regular posts (I like to think of them more as "contributions") to
this newsgroup. I am one of them. It is also about the individuals who
don't make regular posts, but who visit this newsgroup regularly....just the
same.
Here it is:
Except for a relatively small percentage of people, every "post" I make (or
any others who have been "regulars" here for two or more years or so) is a
message that is "out of context" with all other messages and posts I've made
here (since around 1997...I think). Yet, when I write a post here, either a
new message or a reply.......I am of the mindset that includes all the other
posts I've made (regarding my feelings, positions, understandings and
philosophies about anything having to do with "racing"), virtually since
1997! When writing, I am assuming that the person(s) reading the post are
aware of "who, what, why and where" I come from....what my "philosophies"
about racing are all about, what I represent and contribute to this sim
racing community. I also assume they are aware of my moral character, with
regard to being truthful...and where my "loyalties" lie to the sport of
racing itself. My God, I have just realized what a huge mistake this is!
There can't be more than a couple dozen people **currently** considered
regulars on r.a.s. that would have the ability to put a message I write
today, in context with messages from as far back as even a couple years ago,
let alone all the way back to 1997.
I don't know that there is anything that can be done about this. Certainly,
one can't "cc" and include all his/her previous r.a.s. posts on each new
one, or on each "reply." ....lol.... What I can do.....is not take some
liberties with my attitude......especially when its a bad one......with
posts and replies. It might be "ok" for somebody like Francois Menard
(ymenard) or Ed Solheim or Eric Cote (and a couple dozen others) to read a
particularly "sharp-tongued" response or message from me and think, "Gee,
Pabst must be having a bad day! He's normally very polite and a laid-back
kind of guy!" While, the vast majority of readers would think, "What an
asshole Pabst is!"
I also think its possible that I can include some "premise" statements
(short and in brackets) when discussing something of a particularly
sensitive nature, or a controversial one. I know when I read something
about "online cheating" from Eric Cote.....I know that Eric is against
cheating in racing....in all its forms....as I am. I have been reading
posts from Eric for several years now. But, it might be good to read
something that accompanies his message like, "Premise: I am against cheating
in racing of any kind, for any reason!" So, I'm going to try and do that
from now on. I'm also going to try to "delete" any posts I make that isn't
polite or that isn't thoughtful, or that reflects my current mood
(especially when its a bad one)....BEFORE I send it to this newsgroup.
I know this isn't an **excuse** for bad behavior. But, it is a **reason**
that some of my posts have not been what the vast majority of them have been
(helpful, polite, useful, non-derogatory, etc.). But, I can apologize to
all of you.....for all of bad ones.....just the same.
And, the next time my video card hangs (while I'm leading an online race),
or my dogs bark and scare me to death...so I crash; or I'm on hold for some
"tech support" department and get disconnected just as the person answers
the phone (after holding for an hour), or that brand new AMD Athlon CPU -
the one I hand picked because of its manufacture site and
ease-of-OC'ing....blows up the minute I turn on the computer for the first
time (all of these things have happen in the last two weeks.....par for the
course actually.....lol....), I think I'm going to avoid making any posts on
r.a.s. for 24-hours!
That's a promise I can keep.
Regards,
Tom Pabst
>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online
> racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term) aboutthe
> history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup has played in
> the evolution of it. In the process, some old thoughts came together in a
> new way, and some new opinions/observations were formed as a result.
Well, before you didn't have any of those "mega sites" like High Gear or
BHmotorsports, so technically this newsgroup was really a NEWSgroup. Now
it's more of a community center. It's like that for many other communities
on the web. It has just evolved.
> Except for a relatively small percentage of people, every "post" I make(or
> any others who have been "regulars" here for two or more years or so) is a
> message that is "out of context" with all other messages and posts I'vemade
> here (since around 1997...I think). Yet, when I write a post here, eithera
> new message or a reply.......I am of the mindset that includes all theother
> posts I've made (regarding my feelings, positions, understandings and
> philosophies about anything having to do with "racing"), virtually since
> 1997! When writing, I am assuming that the person(s) reading the post are
> aware of "who, what, why and where" I come from....what my "philosophies"
> about racing are all about, what I represent and contribute to this sim
> racing community. I also assume they are aware of my moral character,with
> regard to being truthful...and where my "loyalties" lie to the sport of
> racing itself. My God, I have just realized what a huge mistake this is!
> There can't be more than a couple dozen people **currently** considered
> regulars on r.a.s. that would have the ability to put a message I write
> today, in context with messages from as far back as even a couple yearsago,
> let alone all the way back to 1997.
Hmm, yes but you shouldn't be bothered by that Tom. If somebody wants to
search for your credentials, deja is now as strong as it ever was
(unfortunately for me LOL!)
> I don't know that there is anything that can be done about this.Certainly,
Don't under-estimate the capacity of the every day lurkers in this NG. Most
of them consider us to be kooks. It's okay, that's perfectly normal I do
this in the 50+ newsgroup I lurk in. Therefore, they see this newsgroup as
a community center, not a NEWSgroup anymore. I doubt somebody today is
searching for informal news here, mostly because of the whole spamming
debates of the past. The Usenet is something quite hidden in the whole
Internet ideal, so somebody who ventures here is imho normally quite
intelligent and rationale (I said "normally") ;-)
> And, the next time my video card hangs (while I'm leading an online race),
> or my dogs bark and scare me to death...so I crash; or I'm on hold forsome
> "tech support" department and get disconnected just as the person answers
> the phone (after holding for an hour), or that brand new AMD Athlon CPU -
> the one I hand picked because of its manufacture site and
> ease-of-OC'ing....blows up the minute I turn on the computer for the first
> time (all of these things have happen in the last two weeks.....par forthe
> course actually.....lol....), I think I'm going to avoid making any postson
> r.a.s. for 24-hours!
:)
Just bought myself a 3d Prophet 4500 Kyro II 64mb, hopefully it'll all go
fine!
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...
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> one can't "cc" and include all his/her previous r.a.s. posts on each new > one, or on each "reply." ....lol.... What I can do.....is not take some > liberties with my attitude......especially when its a bad one......with > posts and replies. It might be "ok" for somebody like Francois Menard > (ymenard) or Ed Solheim or Eric Cote (and a couple dozen others) to read a > particularly "sharp-tongued" response or message from me and think, "Gee, > Pabst must be having a bad day! He's normally very polite and a laid-back > kind of guy!" While, the vast majority of readers would think, "What an > asshole Pabst is!"
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:VTRR6.53220$%[email hidden]...
> Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online
> racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term) aboutthe
> history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup has played in
> the evolution of it.
Hmmm. What role has this newsgroup played in the evolution of it?
David G Fisher
I trust that I speak for many people Frank... One newsgroup with you is
enough for anyone and some of us here have had to put up with the "Mentally
Retarded Poster of RAS" in multiple groups!!! ;P
Shall I search Deja for those threads? LOLOL
--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:7LUR6.16706$[email hidden]...
> >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online
> > racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term) about
> the
> > history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup has played
in
> > the evolution of it. In the process, some old thoughts came together in
a
> > new way, and some new opinions/observations were formed as a result.
>
>
> Well, before you didn't have any of those "mega sites" like High Gear or
> BHmotorsports, so technically this newsgroup was really a NEWSgroup. Now
> it's more of a community center. It's like that for many other
communities
> on the web. It has just evolved.
>
>
>
>
> > Except for a relatively small percentage of people, every "post" I make
> (or
> > any others who have been "regulars" here for two or more years or so) is
a
> > message that is "out of context" with all other messages and posts I've
> made
> > here (since around 1997...I think). Yet, when I write a post here,
either
> a
> > new message or a reply.......I am of the mindset that includes all the
> other
> > posts I've made (regarding my feelings, positions, understandings and
> > philosophies about anything having to do with "racing"), virtually since
> > 1997! When writing, I am assuming that the person(s) reading the post
are
> > aware of "who, what, why and where" I come from....what my
"philosophies"
> > about racing are all about, what I represent and contribute to this sim
> > racing community. I also assume they are aware of my moral character,
> with
> > regard to being truthful...and where my "loyalties" lie to the sport of
> > racing itself. My God, I have just realized what a huge mistake this
is!
> > There can't be more than a couple dozen people **currently** considered
> > regulars on r.a.s. that would have the ability to put a message I write
> > today, in context with messages from as far back as even a couple years
> ago,
> > let alone all the way back to 1997.
>
> Hmm, yes but you shouldn't be bothered by that Tom. If somebody wants to
> search for your credentials, deja is now as strong as it ever was
> (unfortunately for me LOL!)
>
>
> > I don't know that there is anything that can be done about this.
> Certainly,
> > one can't "cc" and include all his/her previous r.a.s. posts on each new
> > one, or on each "reply." ....lol.... What I can do.....is not take
some
> > liberties with my attitude......especially when its a bad one......with
> > posts and replies. It might be "ok" for somebody like Francois Menard
> > (ymenard) or Ed Solheim or Eric Cote (and a couple dozen others) to read
a
> > particularly "sharp-tongued" response or message from me and think,
"Gee,
> > Pabst must be having a bad day! He's normally very polite and a
laid-back
> > kind of guy!" While, the vast majority of readers would think, "What an
> > asshole Pabst is!"
>
> Don't under-estimate the capacity of the every day lurkers in this NG.
Most
> of them consider us to be kooks. It's okay, that's perfectly normal I do
> this in the 50+ newsgroup I lurk in. Therefore, they see this newsgroup
as
> a community center, not a NEWSgroup anymore. I doubt somebody today is
> searching for informal news here, mostly because of the whole spamming
> debates of the past. The Usenet is something quite hidden in the whole
> Internet ideal, so somebody who ventures here is imho normally quite
> intelligent and rationale (I said "normally") ;-)
>
>
> > And, the next time my video card hangs (while I'm leading an online
race),
> > or my dogs bark and scare me to death...so I crash; or I'm on hold for
> some
> > "tech support" department and get disconnected just as the person
answers
> > the phone (after holding for an hour), or that brand new AMD Athlon
CPU -
> > the one I hand picked because of its manufacture site and
> > ease-of-OC'ing....blows up the minute I turn on the computer for the
first
> > time (all of these things have happen in the last two weeks.....par for
> the
> > course actually.....lol....), I think I'm going to avoid making any
posts
> on
> > r.a.s. for 24-hours!
>
> :)
>
> Just bought myself a 3d Prophet 4500 Kyro II 64mb, hopefully it'll all go
> fine!
>
>
>
>
> --
> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...
>
>
>
>
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. <g>
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
David G Fisher wrote...
> <snip>
> Hmmm. What role has this newsgroup played in the
> evolution of it?
>
> David G Fisher
>
Hope you mean the editorials, 'cos I find the forums hopelessly unstructured
(compared to a regular ng) as an information source.
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
ymenard wrote...
> ><snip>
> Well, before you didn't have any of those "mega sites" like
> High Gear or BHmotorsports, so technically this newsgroup
> was really a NEWSgroup. Now it's more of a community center.
> It's like that for many other communities on the web. It has
> just evolved.
Oh bravo... nuf said...
Cheers,
Schumi
"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> I trust that I speak for many people Frank... One newsgroup with you is
> enough for anyone and some of us here have had to put up with the"Mentally
about
> > the
> > > history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup hasplayed
> in
> > > the evolution of it. In the process, some old thoughts came togetherin
> a
> > > new way, and some new opinions/observations were formed as a result.
> >
> >
> > Well, before you didn't have any of those "mega sites" like High Gear or
> > BHmotorsports, so technically this newsgroup was really a NEWSgroup.Now
make
> > (or
> > > any others who have been "regulars" here for two or more years or so)is
> a
> > > message that is "out of context" with all other messages and postsI've
since
> > > 1997! When writing, I am assuming that the person(s) reading the post
> are
> > > aware of "who, what, why and where" I come from....what my
> "philosophies"
> > > about racing are all about, what I represent and contribute to thissim
> > > racing community. I also assume they are aware of my moral character,
> > with
> > > regard to being truthful...and where my "loyalties" lie to the sportof
> > > racing itself. My God, I have just realized what a huge mistake this
> is!
> > > There can't be more than a couple dozen people **currently**considered
> > > regulars on r.a.s. that would have the ability to put a message Iwrite
> > > today, in context with messages from as far back as even a coupleyears
> > ago,
> > > let alone all the way back to 1997.
> >
> > Hmm, yes but you shouldn't be bothered by that Tom. If somebody wantsto
new
> > > one, or on each "reply." ....lol.... What I can do.....is not take
> some
> > > liberties with my attitude......especially when its a badone......with
> > > posts and replies. It might be "ok" for somebody like Francois Menard
> > > (ymenard) or Ed Solheim or Eric Cote (and a couple dozen others) toread
> a
> > > particularly "sharp-tongued" response or message from me and think,
> "Gee,
> > > Pabst must be having a bad day! He's normally very polite and a
> laid-back
> > > kind of guy!" While, the vast majority of readers would think, "Whatan
> > > asshole Pabst is!"
> >
> > Don't under-estimate the capacity of the every day lurkers in this NG.
> Most
> > of them consider us to be kooks. It's okay, that's perfectly normal Ido
for
go
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> Retarded Poster of RAS" in multiple groups!!! ;P > > Shall I search Deja for those threads? LOLOL > > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7LUR6.16706$[email hidden]... > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online > > > racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term)Quoted text (8 lines)
> > it's more of a community center. It's like that for many other > communities > > on the web. It has just evolved. > > > > > > > > > > > Except for a relatively small percentage of people, every "post" IQuoted text (8 lines)
> > made > > > here (since around 1997...I think). Yet, when I write a post here, > either > > a > > > new message or a reply.......I am of the mindset that includes all the > > other > > > posts I've made (regarding my feelings, positions, understandings and > > > philosophies about anything having to do with "racing"), virtuallyQuoted text (7 lines)
> > search for your credentials, deja is now as strong as it ever was > > (unfortunately for me LOL!) > > > > > > > I don't know that there is anything that can be done about this. > > Certainly, > > > one can't "cc" and include all his/her previous r.a.s. posts on eachQuoted text (21 lines)
> > this in the 50+ newsgroup I lurk in. Therefore, they see this newsgroup > as > > a community center, not a NEWSgroup anymore. I doubt somebody today is > > searching for informal news here, mostly because of the whole spamming > > debates of the past. The Usenet is something quite hidden in the whole > > Internet ideal, so somebody who ventures here is imho normally quite > > intelligent and rationale (I said "normally") ;-) > > > > > > > And, the next time my video card hangs (while I'm leading an online > race), > > > or my dogs bark and scare me to death...so I crash; or I'm on hold for > > some > > > "tech support" department and get disconnected just as the person > answers > > > the phone (after holding for an hour), or that brand new AMD Athlon > CPU - > > > the one I hand picked because of its manufacture site and > > > ease-of-OC'ing....blows up the minute I turn on the computer for the > first > > > time (all of these things have happen in the last two weeks.....parQuoted text (9 lines)
> > the > > > course actually.....lol....), I think I'm going to avoid making any > posts > > on > > > r.a.s. for 24-hours! > > > > :) > > > > Just bought myself a 3d Prophet 4500 Kyro II 64mb, hopefully it'll allQuoted text (17 lines)
> > fine! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > >
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Hope you mean the editorials, 'cos I find the forums hopelesslyunstructured
> (compared to a regular ng) as an information source.
Same here. I realize that a lot of traffic from here and other newsgroups
has went to specific forums, which is a shame imo. It's a lot more
convenient for me to hit ras, csipgfs, and a few other newsgroups for info
on the latest patches, releases, updates, etc than it is to hunt through
game specifc forums. Call me lazy
>"Jason "Schumi" Murray" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Oh bravo... nuf said...
Uh you dofuss, Scott and I are joking. Half-plonk for you.
> "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > I trust that I speak for many people Frank... One newsgroup with you is
> > enough for anyone and some of us here have had to put up with the
> > "Mentally Retarded Poster of RAS" in multiple groups!!! ;P
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...
<snip>
> I don't know that there is anything that can be done about this.Certainly,
I've never thought that, but often "I wonder how he pronounces his surname?"
;-)
For me, ras is, mostly, a place to see familiar names and chat (although I
use the word advisedly, as Mr Walker would say) about these sim things we
all seem to have a passion about. It is of course also a good place for
news on patches, etc., (although there are many quality webpages which can
supply the same these days?).
I've never been a chatroom kinda guy, and, as Francois says, I think
newsgroups generally attract a more mature, dare I say it 'older' type than
most message boards?
I certainly don't post 'regularly', but I'm here most days and I've always
found the group friendly and not elitist towards the fabled top 10 regulars
or so.
The only problem with that lot is they're also always the bloody quick
ones!! (Yes, even Eldred, compared to me!)
Cheers,
Jonesy
Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying.
GPLRANK (cough) 259.740
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> one can't "cc" and include all his/her previous r.a.s. posts on each new > one, or on each "reply." ....lol.... What I can do.....is not take some > liberties with my attitude......especially when its a bad one......with > posts and replies. It might be "ok" for somebody like Francois Menard > (ymenard) or Ed Solheim or Eric Cote (and a couple dozen others) to read a > particularly "sharp-tongued" response or message from me and think, "Gee, > Pabst must be having a bad day! He's normally very polite and a laid-back > kind of guy!" While, the vast majority of readers would think, "What an > asshole Pabst is!"
--
Colin
ICQ 25485061
Fast Food Racing: http://www.gamensurf.co.uk/fastfood/
"Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> Cheers,
>
> Jonesy
> GPLRANK (cough) 259.740
>
>
Fair play to ya, Jonesy, for putting that in yer sig!!!!
well, you could say at least for the ACT LABS products they listen to the
feedback they get from customers from here and around.
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news:
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in
> > the evolution of it.
>
> Hmmm. What role has this newsgroup played in the evolution of it?
>
> David G Fisher
>
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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VTRR6.53220$%[email hidden]... > > Seeing the post below about the "old days," N1 and Hawaii online > > racing.......got me thinking (reminiscing maybe is a better term) about > the > > history of online sim racing.....and the role this newsgroup has played
Gault wrote in message ...
>
>game specifc forums. Call me lazy
>
You lazy bastard!!
Ben
"Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(hangs head)
:-)
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> > Gault wrote in message ... > > > >game specifc forums. Call me lazy > > > > You lazy bastard!!
"Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I guess you believe in the principle of always giving the customer more than
he asks for. : )
KFG
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> > Gault wrote in message ... > > > >game specifc forums. Call me lazy > > > > You lazy bastard!! > > Ben > >In article <c3VR6.23084$[email hidden]>, David G
Fisher <[email hidden]> writes
That, if it wasn't for us, none of the current crop of sims would have
been made. Jeez, everyone knows that David. ;-)
--
Peter Ives
Remove ALL_STRESS before replying
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