GPL / WIN ME

Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? I upgrade my computer today and though I would pull out the Hyperstimulator to give it a thash. Could not get the controls to work AHHHHH! Tried it on my old machine no probs so it must have something to do with the joystic drivers ? any ideas. How does GPL run under a TNT card these days or should I put the old voodoo3 back in ?

GPL, WINME, TNT2 works fine, I upgraded to GEFORCE2MX 3 weeks ago and works fine... Athlon 700, 256 M ram... "Daniel Collins" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? I upgrade my > computer today and though I would pull out the Hyperstimulator to give ita > thash. > Could not get the controls to work AHHHHH! > Tried it on my old machine no probs so it must have something to do withthe > joystic drivers ? any ideas. > > How does GPL run under a TNT card these days or should I put the oldvoodoo3 > back in ? > > > >

> Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? Yes, I posted the following on 4/29: <old post> I use ME for GPL and the longer I play the slower the game gets. It's not a memory or processor or GPU problem: >512 MB, 1.4 GHz P4, and GF2. Exiting and restarting GPL does nothing. I have to reboot to clear out whatever it is that's getting clogged. In addition, GPL has gotten slower and slower in general over time. My HD has plenty of space and I regularly defragment. Don't know what it is. I only know that I used to run at 1280x1024 with every setting at max, and now can really only run at 1024x768 with mirror detail set to Cars & Track. I've never heard anyone complain of these problems with 98. I'm considering downgrading to 98. <old post> By 'slower', I mean the sound and gameplay stutter, sometimes slowing the game to a halt. It's incredibly irritating. This morning I completed the Me -> 98 downgrade. The game runs brilliantly now. I've been driving for a couple of hours, and there's no stuttering, even at 1600x1200 with every setting at the maximum. I hope you selected the option for uninstalling Me. --Jeff "Daniel Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? I upgrade my > computer today and though I would pull out the Hyperstimulator to give ita > thash. > Could not get the controls to work AHHHHH! > Tried it on my old machine no probs so it must have something to do withthe > joystic drivers ? any ideas. > > How does GPL run under a TNT card these days or should I put the oldvoodoo3 > back in ? > > >

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> By 'slower', I mean the sound and gameplay stutter, sometimes slowing the > game to a halt. It's incredibly irritating. This morning I completed the > Me -> 98 downgrade. The game runs brilliantly now. I've been driving for a > couple of hours, and there's no stuttering, even at 1600x1200 with every > setting at the maximum. > > I hope you selected the option for uninstalling Me. > > --Jeff >

Oh, damn. These are the exact symptoms I experienced last night for the first time. Michael Lowery

I have had the same stuttering problems with several different games including NASCAR 4, GPL, and N3 while running under WinME. I increased my swap file to 250MB and this seemed to help a little. I think from Jeff's experience that it is a problem with WinME. On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 16:07:11 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? > >Yes, I posted the following on 4/29: > ><old post> >I use ME for GPL and the longer I play the slower the game gets. It's not a >memory >or processor or GPU problem: >512 MB, 1.4 GHz P4, and GF2. Exiting and >restarting GPL does nothing. I have to reboot to clear out whatever it is >that's getting clogged. In addition, GPL has gotten slower and slower in >general over time. My HD has plenty of space and I regularly defragment. >Don't know what it is. I only know that I used to run at 1280x1024 with >every setting at max, and now can really only run at 1024x768 with mirror >detail set to Cars & Track. I've never heard anyone complain of these >problems with 98. I'm considering downgrading to 98. ><old post> > >By 'slower', I mean the sound and gameplay stutter, sometimes slowing the >game to a halt. It's incredibly irritating. This morning I completed the >Me -> 98 downgrade. The game runs brilliantly now. I've been driving for a >couple of hours, and there's no stuttering, even at 1600x1200 with every >setting at the maximum. > >I hope you selected the option for uninstalling Me. > >--Jeff > >"Daniel Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? I upgrade my >> computer today and though I would pull out the Hyperstimulator to give it >a >> thash. >> Could not get the controls to work AHHHHH! >> Tried it on my old machine no probs so it must have something to do with >the >> joystic drivers ? any ideas. >> >> How does GPL run under a TNT card these days or should I put the old >voodoo3 >> back in ? >> >> >> > >

Turn off system restore and PC health. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have had the same stuttering problems with several different games > including NASCAR 4, GPL, and N3 while running under WinME. I > increased my swap file to 250MB and this seemed to help a little. I > think from Jeff's experience that it is a problem with WinME. > > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 16:07:11 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? > > > >Yes, I posted the following on 4/29: > > > ><old post> > >I use ME for GPL and the longer I play the slower the game gets. It's not a > >memory > >or processor or GPU problem: >512 MB, 1.4 GHz P4, and GF2. Exiting and > >restarting GPL does nothing. I have to reboot to clear out whatever it is > >that's getting clogged. In addition, GPL has gotten slower and slower in > >general over time. My HD has plenty of space and I regularly defragment. > >Don't know what it is. I only know that I used to run at 1280x1024 with > >every setting at max, and now can really only run at 1024x768 with mirror > >detail set to Cars & Track. I've never heard anyone complain of these > >problems with 98. I'm considering downgrading to 98. > ><old post> > > > >By 'slower', I mean the sound and gameplay stutter, sometimes slowing the > >game to a halt. It's incredibly irritating. This morning I completed the > >Me -> 98 downgrade. The game runs brilliantly now. I've been driving for a > >couple of hours, and there's no stuttering, even at 1600x1200 with every > >setting at the maximum. > > > >I hope you selected the option for uninstalling Me. > > > >--Jeff > > > >"Daniel Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Has anyone had any problems running GPL under windows ME ? I upgrade my > >> computer today and though I would pull out the Hyperstimulator to give it > >a > >> thash. > >> Could not get the controls to work AHHHHH! > >> Tried it on my old machine no probs so it must have something to do with > >the > >> joystic drivers ? any ideas. > >> > >> How does GPL run under a TNT card these days or should I put the old > >voodoo3 > >> back in ? > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

I don't know, these are two valuable services IMO, system restore can be a life saver. Just get "End it all" and use that before you start your games. I'd suspect a graphics driver issue or other background program (like a virus checker) that's causing the stuttering. IMO, System restore and PC health don't typically trip up your system while you're in a game. Your mileage may vary. "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fvcm9$cnd$[email hidden]... > Turn off system restore and PC health.

If the performance problem were caused by background processes or faulty drivers, then the game would always stutter. But when GPL starts up, and for the first, say, 15 minutes, it runs very well. Then it starts slowing down, getting worse the longer I play. Again, downgrading to 98 fixed everything. It appears to me that ME has exposed a memory or resource leak in the program. Although I didn't have a reliable system performance program that would have confirmed this, that's exactly how a leaky program behaves. In NT, killing the offending program will always free the resources; but 9x/Me aren't very good about cleaning up after sloppy programs. Interestingly, NFSPU (yes, I have played it) didn't exhibit the problem. --Jeff "+G�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DxJU6.247755$[email hidden]...

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> I don't know, these are two valuable services IMO, system restore can be a > life saver. > Just get "End it all" and use that before you start your games. > I'd suspect a graphics driver issue or other background program (like a > virus checker) that's causing the stuttering. > > IMO, System restore and PC health don't typically trip up your system

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> you're in a game. Your mileage may vary. > > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fvcm9$cnd$[email hidden]... > > Turn off system restore and PC health. > > >

"Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g002l$rni$[email hidden]... > If the performance problem were caused by background processes or > faulty drivers, then the game would always stutter. But when GPL > starts up, and for the first, say, 15 minutes, it runs very well. > Then it starts slowing down, getting worse the longer I play. Again, > downgrading to 98 fixed everything. It appears to me that ME has > exposed a memory or resource leak in the program. Hard to say. I'd suspect a third party driver before ME. Your vid card is?

> I've had similar problems with WinME basically writing system backup files > of 50mb plus until the system partition is completely full (6 gb of it), > with the obvious resulting "grinding to a halt". Disabling system restore > solves it for the most part, Hmm. Interesting. When I reformatted to install 98 my disk was awfully full for a computer that was only 6 weeks old, and I recall it filling up very quickly. Maybe that's what it was. Too late now. --Jeff "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BSNU6.1887$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9g002l$rni$[email hidden]... > > If the performance problem were caused by background processes or > > faulty drivers, then the game would always stutter. But when GPL > > starts up, and for the first, say, 15 minutes, it runs very well. > > Then it starts slowing down, getting worse the longer I play. Again, > > downgrading to 98 fixed everything. It appears to me that ME has > > exposed a memory or resource leak in the program. Although I didn't > > have a reliable system performance program that would have confirmed > > this, that's exactly how a leaky program behaves. In NT, killing the > > offending program will always free the resources; but 9x/Me aren't very > good > > about cleaning up after sloppy programs. Interestingly, NFSPU (yes, > > I have played it) didn't exhibit the problem. > > > > --Jeff > > > cheers > John > > >

I know for a fact it is system restore causing the stuttering on my PC (and many others), I know because turning it off stopped the stuttering. BTW, I don't have anything running in the background that isn't absolutely needed. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "+G�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DxJU6.247755$[email hidden]... > I don't know, these are two valuable services IMO, system restore can be a > life saver. > Just get "End it all" and use that before you start your games. > I'd suspect a graphics driver issue or other background program (like a > virus checker) that's causing the stuttering. > > IMO, System restore and PC health don't typically trip up your system while > you're in a game. Your mileage may vary. > > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fvcm9$cnd$[email hidden]... > > Turn off system restore and PC health. > > >

You can adjust the PCHealth behavior so it's scheduled for off hours. If you don't play GPL all the time, you can turn off system restore as needed via the System Properties in the control panel. Go into Performance, then File System, then Troubleshooting, check on disable system restore. Doesn't 98SE have a version of System Restore of some sort? "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g0h88$koa$[email hidden]... > I know for a fact it is system restore causing the stuttering on my PC(and > many others), I know because turning it off stopped the stuttering. > BTW, I don't have anything running in the background that isn't absolutely > needed. > > -- >

"+G�" wrote: > Doesn't 98SE have a version of System Restore of some sort? > No. Thank goodness. -- Fester

I thought it did, but it was a manual thing. I'll ask at work. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "+G�" wrote: > > > Doesn't 98SE have a version of System Restore of some sort? > > > > > No. Thank goodness. > > -- > > Fester

"Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g002l$rni$[email hidden]...

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> If the performance problem were caused by background processes or > faulty drivers, then the game would always stutter. But when GPL > starts up, and for the first, say, 15 minutes, it runs very well. > Then it starts slowing down, getting worse the longer I play. Again, > downgrading to 98 fixed everything. It appears to me that ME has > exposed a memory or resource leak in the program. Although I didn't > have a reliable system performance program that would have confirmed > this, that's exactly how a leaky program behaves. In NT, killing the > offending program will always free the resources; but 9x/Me aren't very

good > about cleaning up after sloppy programs. Interestingly, NFSPU (yes, > I have played it) didn't exhibit the problem. > > --Jeff I've had similar problems with WinME basically writing system backup files of 50mb plus until the system partition is completely full (6 gb of it), with the obvious resulting "grinding to a halt". Disabling system restore solves it for the most part, and I've found Win98SE (my only other available "downgrade") to be even more unstable and crash prone so I've stuck with ME anyway. cheers John

"Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g0b3p$ej9$[email hidden]... > > I've had similar problems with WinME basically writing system backupfiles > > of 50mb plus until the system partition is completely full (6 gb of it), > > with the obvious resulting "grinding to a halt". Disabling systemrestore > > solves it for the most part, > > Hmm. Interesting. When I reformatted to install 98 my disk was awfullyfull > for a computer that was only 6 weeks old, and I recall it filling up very > quickly. Maybe that's what it was. Too late now. > > --Jeff > I would stick with 98se if it works- I'd be using it now if it didn't give me so much grief. Admittedly my PC is a mess of bits but ME is more tolerant so I stick with it (performance is allegedly worse in ME). If it aint broke don't fix it I suppose. Reading a MS knowledge base article suggests turning off machine debug manager (mdm.exe) both this and system restore can be shut off using msconfig. mdm makes a lot of temp files in the windows dir, which can also fill up the drive. None of which is very good for playing games at the end of the day. cheers John