OT: F1 Engine sounds

This morning I've been watching a repeat of the Grand Am Watkins Glen 6 hour race.(thanks Speedvision) Several of the cars run a V-10 Judd engine. I think that used to be a Formula 1 based powerplant. It sure sounds like what I traditionally associate with F1 engines. The modern Ilmors and Ferrari's and BMWs, while certainly powerful, sound tinny. The Ferrari 'used' to scream back when it was a V12, but now the high pitched whines, espeicially from the Ilmor Mercedes, are almost distracting. In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they used to have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart somewhat. dave henrie

> In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they used > to have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart > somewhat. Really? All I can hear is the rev-limiter. >

Hi Dave, Most of the IRL engines are now using flat (180-deg.) cranks, which changes the engine 'note'dramatically. --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BxPS6.108699$[email hidden]... > This morning I've been watching a repeat of the Grand Am Watkins Glen 6 > hour race.(thanks Speedvision) > Several of the cars run a V-10 Judd engine. I think that used to be a > Formula 1 based powerplant. It sure sounds like what I traditionally > associate with F1 engines. The modern Ilmors and Ferrari's and BMWs,while > certainly powerful, sound tinny. The Ferrari 'used' to scream back whenit

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> was a V12, but now the high pitched whines, espeicially from the Ilmor > Mercedes, are almost distracting. > In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they used > to have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart > somewhat. > dave henrie > >

Thanks for the info steve ,i've been wondering about the IRL cars engine note too ,much higher pitched then when they started.You ever noticed how the different the McLaren sound's compared to the rest of the V-10's? "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lQRS6.132602$[email hidden]... > Hi Dave, > > Most of the IRL engines are now using flat (180-deg.) cranks, whichchanges

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> the engine 'note'dramatically. > > --Steve > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BxPS6.108699$[email hidden]... > > This morning I've been watching a repeat of the Grand Am Watkins Glen

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> > hour race.(thanks Speedvision) > > Several of the cars run a V-10 Judd engine. I think that used to be a > > Formula 1 based powerplant. It sure sounds like what I traditionally > > associate with F1 engines. The modern Ilmors and Ferrari's and BMWs, > while > > certainly powerful, sound tinny. The Ferrari 'used' to scream back when > it > > was a V12, but now the high pitched whines, espeicially from the Ilmor > > Mercedes, are almost distracting. > > In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they

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> > to have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart > > somewhat. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

In article <%kZS6.78785$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Thanks for the info steve ,i've been wondering about the IRL cars engine > note too ,much higher pitched then when they started.You ever noticed how > the different the McLaren sound's compared to the rest of the V-10's? > That's more to do with the exhaust setup than the crank order. There's an excellent article at http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010502a.html that explains what McLaren is (probably) doing. The article is by Steve Matchett, ex race mechanic for Benetton...

Dave Henrie wrote: > In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they used to > have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart somewhat. > dave henrie I dunno 'bout that... When I was at Indy last week they sounded about half-way between a Cup car and a ChampCar. When the IRL first started it was using 4.0 liter motors, but have since reduced displacement to 3.5 liters. I'm sure that's got alot to do with the pitch change as well... Warlock!

Yes, when you go to a 180-deg. crank, it changes the firing order completely, which means you need new exhaust plumbing. "briGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <%kZS6.78785$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Thanks for the info steve ,i've been wondering about the IRL cars engine > > note too ,much higher pitched then when they started.You ever noticedhow

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> > the different the McLaren sound's compared to the rest of the V-10's? > > > > That's more to do with the exhaust setup than the crank order. There's > an excellent article at > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010502a.html > that explains what McLaren is (probably) doing. The article is by Steve > Matchett, ex race mechanic for Benetton...

Nope - as mentioned up-topic, it's the new 180degree crank. I think it was introduced at the 2000 Indy 500, where some cars had it and others didn't . HUGE improvement in the sound of the cars. Rick "Matt Lanzer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they usedto > > have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cartsomewhat. > > > dave henrie > > I dunno 'bout that... When I was at Indy last week they sounded abouthalf-way > between a Cup car and a ChampCar. > When the IRL first started it was using 4.0 liter motors, but have since > reduced displacement to 3.5 liters. I'm sure that's got alot to do withthe > pitch change as well... > > Warlock! > >

> Yes, when you go to a 180-deg. crank, it changes the firing order > completely, which means you need new exhaust plumbing. All F1 engines have a flat plane crank, he meant the Ilmor engine sounds different to all the other V10 flat plane crank F1 engines because they plumb the exhaust up in a different way to everyone else. That article is quite interseting BTW. > > "briGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <%kZS6.78785$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Thanks for the info steve ,i've been wondering about the IRL carsengine

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> > > note too ,much higher pitched then when they started.You ever noticed > how > > > the different the McLaren sound's compared to the rest of the V-10's? > > > > > > > That's more to do with the exhaust setup than the crank order. There's > > an excellent article at > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010502a.html > > that explains what McLaren is (probably) doing. The article is by Steve > > Matchett, ex race mechanic for Benetton...

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On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:26:57 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: Try at least going to a real F1 race before giving an "expert" assessment of it's engine sounds. TV does not come even close to being able to demonstrate the outrageous sonic power of these powerplants. When you're on the circuit the engine has a booming lower end which combined with the screaming wail of the higher end overwhelm your auditory senses, get under your skin and make the hair stand on the back of your neck. In no way does it ever sound "tinny". The only thing that does is the sound of the car engines for the junior single seaters and GT series that usually run as a prelude to a F1 race.

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> This morning I've been watching a repeat of the Grand Am Watkins Glen 6 >hour race.(thanks Speedvision) >Several of the cars run a V-10 Judd engine. I think that used to be a >Formula 1 based powerplant. It sure sounds like what I traditionally >associate with F1 engines. The modern Ilmors and Ferrari's and BMWs, while >certainly powerful, sound tinny. The Ferrari 'used' to scream back when it >was a V12, but now the high pitched whines, espeicially from the Ilmor >Mercedes, are almost distracting. > In kinda of a side note...the IRL cars, have changed somewhat, they used >to have a deep braap sound, now they resemble the Turbo cars of Cart >somewhat. >dave henrie >