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why ,why why cant I break this barrier? frustrated. oz.

Oz, Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than you think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner you will definitely be able to break 1:30 Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, cause its short and fun :) Good Luck Ash "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fkruh$48r$[email hidden]... | why ,why why cant I break this barrier? | | frustrated. | oz. | |

I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens cheers oz "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fktrl$peb$[email hidden]... > Oz, > > Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you > should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than you > think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner youwill

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> definitely be able to break 1:30 > > Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, cause its > short and fun :) > > Good Luck > Ash > > > "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fkruh$48r$[email hidden]... > | why ,why why cant I break this barrier? > | > | frustrated. > | oz. > | > | > >

oz wrote: > > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens > cheers Load your best lap and a 1.28 into GPL replay analyser http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/ It'll help you see straight away where you're losing time. Lesmo sounds likely (try using 3rd gear out of lesmo 2. More traction less wheelspin). Also exiting parabolica is likely too. I'd be able to get into the 1.27's if I could get out of there faster :( One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus and eagle. Kev (1.28.41 - Got a replay if you want it)

> maybe thats it ....I drive the ferrrari all the time.....so whats the best all round car? and if you can send me your replay i would be greatful. oz One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari > to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus > and eagle. > > Kev (1.28.41 - Got a replay if you want it)

The ferrari is one of the best all round cars but it just lacks a bit of top end speed at monza. Although, of course, there are people who run 28's in the ferrari too. (the cooper monza world record is 1.28.75!!!) I've got pb's in different cars at different tracks. I can't drive the lotus at zandy to save my life but I find it works best for me at monza. > > maybe thats it ....I drive the ferrrari all the time..... > so whats the best all round car? > > and if you can send me your replay i would be greatful. On it's way Kev > oz > One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari > > to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus > > and eagle. > > > > Kev (1.28.41 - Got a replay if you want it)

Also braking is very important. If you brake too hard and lock the brakes it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will make you nervous and uncertain about braking. If the brakes lock you're braking too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes. Actually if the tires squeel you're braking too hard as well. Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a very fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important. The key to getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle of the corner. It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast. Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1. "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl0c3$4tk$[email hidden]... > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens > cheers > oz

I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving with them on..... and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to much throttle again! "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9goT6.11841$[email hidden]... > Also braking is very important. If you brake too hard and lock the brakes > it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time willmake > you nervous and uncertain about braking. If the brakes lock you'rebraking > too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes. Actually if thetires > squeel you're braking too hard as well. > > Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by avery > fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important. The key to > getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middleof

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> the corner. It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast. > > Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car > pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1. > > "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fl0c3$4tk$[email hidden]... > > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out > > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens > > cheers > > oz > > >

"oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl5dj$5nd$[email hidden]... > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? Yep, these are probably costing you a couple of seconds a lap at least. Turn 'em off! Jim

oz wrote: > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? DOH! You should have said that earlier. :) TURN THEM OFF! They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of being at one with the car (man). > I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving > with them on..... > and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to > much throttle again! 3rd gear and gentle on the gas. Kev

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> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9goT6.11841$[email hidden]... > > Also braking is very important. If you brake too hard and lock the brakes > > it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will > make > > you nervous and uncertain about braking. If the brakes lock you're > braking > > too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes. Actually if the > tires > > squeel you're braking too hard as well. > > > > Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a > very > > fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important. The key to > > getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle > of > > the corner. It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast. > > > > Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car > > pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1. > > > > "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9fl0c3$4tk$[email hidden]... > > > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out > > > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens > > > cheers > > > oz > > > > > >

"Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > oz wrote: > > > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I havethrottle and > > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > > DOH! > You should have said that earlier. :) > TURN THEM OFF! > They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness ofbeing > at one with the car (man). >But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part of the GPL challenge. You will be much slower initially - prepare to start again from scratch! -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01

In article <9fl5dj$5nd$[email hidden]>, "oz" <[email hidden]> writes: >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? >I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving >with them on..... >and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to >much throttle again! Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great! Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get much more acceleration. Same for braking.. Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without helps. btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos in online races (including my own ;) Calis

bugger! "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tnpT6.12383$[email hidden]...

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> > "Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > oz wrote: > > > > > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have > throttle and > > > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > > > > DOH! > > You should have said that earlier. :) > > TURN THEM OFF! > > They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of > being > > at one with the car (man). > > > But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help > turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to > brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part > of the GPL challenge. You will be much slower initially - prepare to > start again from scratch! > -- > Laurence Wilmer > [email hidden] > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01 > >

How long have you been playing GPL? If you haven't gotten your time under 1:30, and you've been playing the game for over a year... Give up. Then try to get under 1:06 at the Glen. ;) If you've only been playing a few months or so, keep goin', baby... GPL has a lot to teach you! Warlock! oz wrote: > why ,why why cant I break this barrier? > > frustrated. > oz.

So its time for an all new GPL experience........bring it on! so how much will my braking distance be reduce by? oz. "Herbert Pohlai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl7re$nbe$[email hidden]...

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> In article <9fl5dj$5nd$[email hidden]>, > "oz" <[email hidden]> writes: > >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and > >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > >I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving > >with them on..... > >and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn

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> >much throttle again! > > Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great! > Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get > much more acceleration. Same for braking.. > Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without > helps. > btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos > in online races (including my own ;) > > Calis

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> > "Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > oz wrote: > > > > > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have > throttle and > > > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > > > > DOH! > > You should have said that earlier. :) > > TURN THEM OFF! > > They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of > being > > at one with the car (man). > > > But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help > turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to > brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part > of the GPL challenge.

Handy GPL hint # 634 Get a squash ball and cut it in half (or some wads of paper wrapped in packets with tape) Calibrate the brake to maximum travel, then put the squash ball under it. That way, when you hit the brakes, (a) the pedal only travels about 90% of it's distance and you are much less likely to fully lock the brakes and (b) you get some 'feel' under heavy braking. Kev

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:50:54 +0100, "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? TURN THEM OFF NOOOOOWWWWW!!!! It helps :) Andre

Andre...did you turn braking assist off in your 106? oz "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:50:54 +0100, "oz" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and > >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > > TURN THEM OFF NOOOOOWWWWW!!!! > It helps :) > > Andre

Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in the Lotus or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computer is helping you. Just on exiting corners, I don't know how long you've been playing GPL, but anticipating what the car is going to do is a really important skill, and it only comes with experience. Eventually you get to the point where you don't even have to see the car start to spin before you correct it, you sort of already know you need to apply opposite lock, just because you know what you've done with the throttle. Some more good advice - drive all the tracks - use all the cars - if you're having trouble learning a track - race there instead of just doing training laps - make sure the game is running at 36 fps (alt-f displays frame-rate) - use a steering wheel with pedals, and force-feedback also helps - don't put off learning the Nurburgring :) "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl5dj$5nd$[email hidden]... > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving > with them on..... > and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to > much throttle again!

I got there by going DEEP into Parabolica - smooth around and early on the gas out. I broke 1:30 for the first time in an Eagle. David Cook "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl0c3$4tk$[email hidden]...

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> I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens > cheers > oz > "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fktrl$peb$[email hidden]... > > Oz, > > > > Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you > > should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than

you > > think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner you > will > > definitely be able to break 1:30 > > > > Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, causeits

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> > short and fun :) > > > > Good Luck > > Ash > > > > > > "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9fkruh$48r$[email hidden]... > > | why ,why why cant I break this barrier? > > | > > | frustrated. > > | oz. > > | > > | > > > > > >

Try to keep a your foot on the accelerator pedal a little bit when you brake (you are left foot braking aren't you?) This will help to keep the car stable under braking. This may or may not be what many refer to as trail or tail-braking but that is whole different thread and not one I am all that interested in. All I know is that the little bit of accelerator works for me with a PB of 1:28.54 at Monza (Eagle) and a negative GPLRank. Hang in there. Stewart oz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fl8hb$655$[email hidden]...

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> So its time for an all new GPL experience........bring it on! > > so how much will my braking distance be reduce by? > oz. > > "Herbert Pohlai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9fl7re$nbe$[email hidden]... > > In article <9fl5dj$5nd$[email hidden]>, > > "oz" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle

and > > >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? > > >I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confidentdriving

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> > >with them on..... > > >and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn > to > > >much throttle again! > > > > Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great! > > Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get > > much more acceleration. Same for braking.. > > Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without > > helps. > > btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos > > in online races (including my own ;) > > > > Calis > >

"Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Laurence Wilmer wrote: > > > > "Kevin Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > oz wrote:<snip - dumping braking help> > > Handy GPL hint # 634 > Get a squash ball and cut it in half (or some wads of paper wrappedin > packets with tape) > Calibrate the brake to maximum travel, then put the squash ballunder > it. That way, when you hit the brakes, (a) the pedal only travelsabout > 90% of it's distance and you are much less likely to fully lock the > brakes and (b) you get some 'feel' under heavy braking. > > KevGood idea - but I've never come across anything the right size and shape not to impede the throttle as well, given that the pedals are only 1" apart but 2" off the floor. What I actually do is to keep about 10% throttle on while braking, simply because it's natural, automatic, feels right for the car I'm driving. On single axis this must have the same effect as limiting braking to 90% or thereabouts. One day (when I can afford a new wheel if it goes wrong) I'm going to be brave enough to cut wires c.f. http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox/ (converting T2 to dual axis). Then I'd probably have to re-learn driving GPL from scratch (and spend a lot of time arguing the 'correct' definitions of trailbraking, squashballbraking etc etc when I should be learning the Ring). :-) -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01

All I know is I was estatic! I jumped out of the simulator and continued to jump up and down - breaking 1:30 was a big thing! Carry on dude - it can happen! "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fkruh$48r$[email hidden]... > why ,why why cant I break this barrier? > > frustrated. > oz. > >

All great advice listed Simon except for 1 {imc}. I *never* use pedals I only use *paddles* cuz mostly I can't use my feet nor legs..lol I kick buttkiss with my paddles too!!! :-).. Just some non-important fyi.. Cheers Thom_j. "Simon Brown" wrote:

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| Some more good advice | | - drive all the tracks | - use all the cars | - if you're having trouble learning a track - race there instead of just | doing training laps | - make sure the game is running at 36 fps (alt-f displays frame-rate) | - use a steering wheel with pedals, and force-feedback also helps | - don't put off learning the Nurburgring | | :)

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In article <AptT6.245$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by >others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the >Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in the Lotus >or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're >not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computer is >helping you. I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and 1:29.87 with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> writes: >How long have you been playing GPL? >If you haven't gotten your time under 1:30, and you've been playing the >game for over a year... Give up. >Then try to get under 1:06 at the Glen. ;) It took more than a year for me to break 1:30 at Monza. I STILL can't get under 1:06 at the Glen... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Kevin Clark <[email hidden]> writes:

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>It'll help you see straight away where you're losing time. Lesmo sounds >likely (try using 3rd gear out of lesmo 2. More traction less >wheelspin). Also exiting parabolica is likely too. I'd be able to get >into the 1.27's if I could get out of there faster :( > >One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari >to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus >and eagle. >

Do you shift between Lesmo 1 & 2? I'd be in trouble trying to judge speed in a different gear - I can't tell from the screen. I've done a 1:29 in the Lotus, and just ran one in the Eagle in a league practice race. Can't run 1:29 in any other car, yet... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <9goT6.11841$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >Also braking is very important. If you brake too hard and lock the brakes >it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will make >you nervous and uncertain about braking. If the brakes lock you're braking >too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes. Actually if the tires >squeel you're braking too hard as well. >I *always* get brake squeal... Either they squeal, or I can't stop.

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>Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a very >fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important. The key to >getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle of >the corner. It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast. > >Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car >pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1.

Ascari is *easy* to take flat, after the tires warm up. I have problems with Lesmo 1, but I've heard that it isn't as important as Lesmo 2 for lap time. Yes, I have problems with the 2nd one, too<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <AptT6.245$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by > >others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the > >Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in theLotus > >or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're > >not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computeris > >helping you. > > I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and1:29.87 > with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon. > > Eldred Wow, everytime you post what your times are at different tracks and what trials and tribulations you are dealing with in over-coming "milestone" hurdles in GPL I always find myself saying "Yeah, that's me exactly... this is scary!" I think you are my evil twin. ;) Robin

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>> I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and >1:29.87 >> with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon. >> >> Eldred > >Wow, everytime you post what your times are at different tracks and what >trials and tribulations you are dealing with in over-coming "milestone" >hurdles in GPL I always find myself saying "Yeah, that's me exactly... this >is scary!" I think you are my evil twin. ;) >Robin >

Robin, if you're stuck at the same places I am, I'm *real* sorry to hear that...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_mBT6.6679$[email hidden]>, "Robin" > <[email hidden]> writes: >snip > Robin, if you're stuck at the same places I am, I'm *real* sorry to hear > that...<g> > > Eldred Wait! I just did 3 consecutive laps at 3.29.xx at LeMans in a Ferrari!!! Heck, I felt like I'd just driven all 24 hours and won the thing... it's that big of an accomplishment for me. I don't know who posted the tip of trying the gear altered 'ring setup instead of Spa but it's really paid off for me. Unfortunately, since dl'ing and installing Sarthe I have spent "NO" time at any other track in GPL... this does not bode well for my Rouen time improving. Robin

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:24:54 +0100, "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre...did you turn braking assist off in your 106? >oz Thanks for reminding me, lol :)) Andre

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:50:54 +0100, "oz" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and >> >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also? >> >> TURN THEM OFF NOOOOOWWWWW!!!! >> It helps :) >> >> Andre > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9goT6.11841$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > Ascari is *easy* to take flat, after the tires warm up. I have problemswith > Lesmo 1, but I've heard that it isn't as important as Lesmo 2 for laptime. > Yes, I have problems with the 2nd one, too<g> I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I get the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid turning the wheel too much. Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2? I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was actually losing time through Ascari. Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and some high 1:27s in online races. In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, not just Lesmo 2.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Kevin Clark > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >It'll help you see straight away where you're losing time. Lesmo sounds > >likely (try using 3rd gear out of lesmo 2. More traction less > >wheelspin). Also exiting parabolica is likely too. I'd be able to get > >into the 1.27's if I could get out of there faster :( > > > >One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari > >to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus > >and eagle. > > > > Do you shift between Lesmo 1 & 2? I'd be in trouble trying to judge speed in a > different gear - I can't tell from the screen. I've done a 1:29 in the Lotus, > and just ran one in the Eagle in a league practice race. Can't run 1:29 in any > other car, yet... :(

I do yes. I take L1 in 2nd then accelerate. If I've got the power on really well, I upshift to 3rd then slam the brakes on. Otherwise, I change up when I'm braking for L2 so I'm already in 3rd for the exit. You get much better traction out of the turn. A simple way to check is to do it in 2nd and make a mental note of when you shift up to 5th, then do it in 3rd and you'll see that you're in 5th about 100m earlier. Kev

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:45:33 +0100, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I get >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid >turning the wheel too much. Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis.

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>Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2? > >I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was actually >losing time through Ascari. > >Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and some >high 1:27s in online races. > >In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, not just >Lesmo 2.

True, my pb is 1:27.36 now. For some reason I loose most time in the Para, a couple of tenths.. compared to the aliens my entry to para is just as fast, and my exit is just as fast too, but in the slowest section of the para I'm losing the time.. I don't understand it, I take the same line, but when I give more throttle to compensate the loss of speed I immediately loose my car, for my feeling I'm allready driving on the edge.. And lesmo 1 and 2 are such weird corners.. you have to take them super-smooth, without sliding the car. So if you take L1 and 2 right, it will actually feel very slow.. Andre

1:29.22 is very close to 1:28, and I'm sure you can get the Eagle down to the same times as the Lotus. You only have to improve a little bit in one corner to get into the 1:28s. Is it worth it though? You could spend five hours getting 0.25s faster at Monza, when in the same time you could take 1s off at Mosport or Mexico, or 4s at the ring. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <AptT6.245$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by > >others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the > >Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in theLotus > >or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're > >not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computeris > >helping you. > > I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and1:29.87

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> with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well after taking lots of advice from all a had a quick pop at it again last night ..only 20 mins or so......Got my laptimes to the same as with throttle/brake help..1.30.5 ish...... so its now just a case of getting all the braking points right...& squeeze the throttle gently coming out of bends........ heres a quick lap start/finish...up to 195ish...then a quick dab of the brakes..down a cog(is this right).then its about 160ish around Curva Granda with flat throttle....then back up to top gear.......around della....then brake (lots) down to 2nd and drift through lesmos 1 then squirt the throttle then....hold my breath through lesmos 2... still in 2nd(I take it this should be 3rd) then up into top for ascari(I sometime give myself a small confidence lift of throttle before...(I'll be losing time here aswell)....flat out... then brake just after the rubber marks into parabolica...2nd gear...then start easing more throttle after the curb on the right dissapears.....whilst hanging on to the wheel so that I dont wipe out on the barrier on the left(done that a few time I can tell ya) My problem is confidence through lesmos2 But its hell of a lot more fun without the aids!!!!!! Damn...You lot have converted me...... Thanks for all your help..... Still have yet to try the squash ball thing!

Actually Eldred, I've just seen your new GPLRank of +20.90 so I won't be giving you any more advice ever again <g>, since you're only 3 seconds behind me! Actually, have you thought about playing GPL on the keys using the BRM, that's the real way to get your GPLRank down ;)

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> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and > 1:29.87 > > with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

sorry 135ish through carva granda oz

Well Eldred I see your GPLRank and it isnt close to being bad!! Actually it's a hell of a lot better then mine!!! Fact!! :o(...lol "EldredP" wrote: | Robin, if you're stuck at the same places I am, I'm *real* sorry to hear | that...<g> | | Eldred | -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001

"Thom j." wrote: > > Well Eldred I see your GPLRank and it isnt close to being bad!! > Actually it's a hell of a lot better then mine!!! Fact!! :o(...lol Yeah, Eldred is a real sandbagger. Don't buy the "pathetic" story, it ain't him. <g> -- Fester

Actually, I think I was wrong there, they do squeel a little with optimal braking. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > I *always* get brake squeal... Either they squeal, or I can't stop. > > Eldred

You freaked me out 'oz' with the 160mph... I smile like hell when I can squeeze150mph there but never know what I have until the replay. I've always gone into Lesmo1 in 2nd and try to get in & out tightly but with a good 80+mph & crank it hard into Lesmo 2 but again take it as tight as I can.. I average low 129s but havent run Monza on purpose since I want all my other track times down as low as I can. Monza & Spa are my fav tracks so I am punishing myself by not running them...lol "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fnpjr$94v$[email hidden]... | sorry 135ish through carva granda | oz | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

My girlfriend squeels.. Does this count?? Sorry couldnt resist I'm a dirty ole man! And da` devil makes me type dese thingys :o)~ "Simon Brown" wrote: | Actually, I think I was wrong there, they do squeel a little with optimal | braking. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot >harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis. Hmm... where can I get this piece of art?

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>True, my pb is 1:27.36 now. For some reason I loose most time in the >Para, a couple of tenths.. compared to the aliens my entry to para is >just as fast, and my exit is just as fast too, but in the slowest >section of the para I'm losing the time.. I don't understand it, I >take the same line, but when I give more throttle to compensate the >loss of speed I immediately loose my car, for my feeling I'm allready >driving on the edge..

Hmm... maybe another setup problem? Suspension? Maybe the aliens run a more asymmetric (= undriveable by human) thing? As for changing gears between Lesmos: I use a 2nd gear that just redlines at the braking point for Lesmo 2. Then it depends: for hotlaps I keep that 2nd for accelerating out of Lesmo2, for safe racing laps I switch to 3rd early. (but only after the braking zone of Lesmo 2, I like the brake power of the engine in 2nd :) Calis

In article <rLJT6.9024$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >Actually Eldred, I've just seen your new GPLRank of +20.90 so I won't be >giving you any more advice ever again <g>, since you're only 3 seconds >behind me! Actually, have you thought about playing GPL on the keys using >the BRM, that's the real way to get your GPLRank down ;) Dude, I'm about to dynamite that BRM. That's killing my MonsterRank. Well, that and the fact that I can't drive... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <BJIT6.8642$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >1:29.22 is very close to 1:28, and I'm sure you can get the Eagle down to >the same times as the Lotus. You only have to improve a little bit in one >corner to get into the 1:28s. >I'll probably stop if I ever get to 1:28 at Monza.<g> >Is it worth it though? You could spend five hours getting 0.25s faster at >Monza, when in the same time you could take 1s off at Mosport or Mexico, or >4s at the ring. I'd like to improve at ALL the tracks, because I'm so far off the pace. I just don't seem to be ABLE to right now... Well, I still have 2 days of vacation left.<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <991903811.520709@dionysos>, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> writes: >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I get >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid >turning the wheel too much. > >Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2?Well, I know I'm not fast out of Lesmo 2, but I never made the connection to the ease of Ascari. I only have a problem with Ascari on the first lap, or if I screw up the turn-in. I can even do it on full tanks flat out. > >I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was actually >losing time through Ascari.Losing how? Slower entrance speed, or scrubbing too much speed IN the turn? > >Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and some >high 1:27s in online races.1:27...that's just a DREAM right now. I have to get to 1:28's first<g> > >In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, not just >Lesmo 2. I believe it, but Lesmo 2 is probably my worst, from what I've heard. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Kevin Clark <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I do yes. >I take L1 in 2nd then accelerate. If I've got the power on really well, >I upshift to 3rd then slam the brakes on. Otherwise, I change up when >I'm braking for L2 so I'm already in 3rd for the exit. You get much >better traction out of the turn. A simple way to check is to do it in >2nd and make a mental note of when you shift up to 5th, then do it in >3rd and you'll see that you're in 5th about 100m earlier.

Really? Ok, I'll try that. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hehe :) "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I3LT6.37558$[email hidden]... > My girlfriend squeels.. Does this count?? Sorry couldnt resist I'm a dirty > ole man! And da` devil makes me type dese thingys :o)~

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <991903811.520709@dionysos>, "Neil Raine" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless Iget > >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid > >turning the wheel too much. > > > >Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2? > Well, I know I'm not fast out of Lesmo 2, but I never made the connectionto > the ease of Ascari. I only have a problem with Ascari on the first lap,or if > I screw up the turn-in. I can even do it on full tanks flat out. > > > > >I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I wasactually > >losing time through Ascari. > Losing how? Slower entrance speed, or scrubbing too much speed IN theturn? Yep, scrubbing too much speed in the turn, I think. Looking at alien hotlaps it seems to me that they turn the wheel less in Ascari, but somehow it keeps going round the corner (rather than into the armco). I think this is to do with the setup, but it may also be that they get a better entrance and are therefore able to keep going without excessive turning of the wheel. I've used Ian Lake's setup at Monza since I started: I have a replay of him doing it in 1:27.09, so I know it *can* be done! On the other hand there may be some much better setups out there!

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:45:33 +0100, "Neil Raine" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless Iget > >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid > >turning the wheel too much. > > Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot > harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis. Interesting! Perhaps a visit to Schubi's site is in order! I've always used Ian Lake's setup for Monza, which he has done 1:27.06 in, but that was probably with GPL 1.0 (with the old tyre model and the low-rider setups). > >Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2? > > > >I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I wasactually > >losing time through Ascari. > > > >Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and some > >high 1:27s in online races. > > > >In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, notjust

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> >Lesmo 2. > > True, my pb is 1:27.36 now. For some reason I loose most time in the > Para, a couple of tenths.. compared to the aliens my entry to para is > just as fast, and my exit is just as fast too, but in the slowest > section of the para I'm losing the time.. I don't understand it, I > take the same line, but when I give more throttle to compensate the > loss of speed I immediately loose my car, for my feeling I'm allready > driving on the edge.. > > And lesmo 1 and 2 are such weird corners.. you have to take them > super-smooth, without sliding the car. So if you take L1 and 2 right, > it will actually feel very slow..

I certainly find that with Lesmo 1: it's really hard to get the car to turn in properly. The best I can do is to get some power-on oversteer in that corner, where the car seems to go round on rails if I apply the power at just the right point. With lesmo 2 I am still exiting in 2nd gear, so it may be possible for me to pick up time by shifting to 3rd. I've tried that a few times and haven't got it to work yet: it may be that my gear ratios are a little higher than some. Come to that I never really pay much attention to the setup, as I feel that my driving skill is normally the limiting factor. Maybe Monza is one of those places where setup matters more than usual!

oz wrote: > why ,why why cant I break this barrier? A year or two ago I was struggling to break 1:30 at Monza as well. I downloaded Greger Huttu's Lotus setup and a replay of his lap. The biggest difference I noticed in his approach was that he upshifted to third very early in the Parabolica (allows for more traction exiting the corner before the long front straight). With his setup and using this technique I was under 1:30 in less than half an hour of practice. A year, or two, later, I still haven't gotten under 1:29 or in an any other car besides the Lotus and the Eagle, but it's a start. Now if I could just get under 2:00 at Rouen (I've got a long way to go). Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Neil since I can not figure your email do you have all of Ian Lake's setups? I had all his Lotus but somehow they are gone? I guess I deleted them by mistake?? Also does Ian Lake only do Lotus or is there other chasiss-s?? Email me if you prefer.. Tia.. Thom_j. "Neil Raine" wrote: | I've used Ian Lake's setup at Monza since I started: I have a replay ofhim | doing it in 1:27.09, so I know it *can* be done! | On the other hand there may be some much better setups out there! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle setup. How? Practice. Don't give up. Dave On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:09:16 +0100, "oz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >why ,why why cant I break this barrier? > >frustrated. >oz. >

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> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:45:33 +0100, "Neil Raine" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I >>get the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to >>avoid turning the wheel too much. > > Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot > harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis. > >>Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2? >> >>I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was >>actually losing time through Ascari. >> >>Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and >>some high 1:27s in online races. >> >>In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, not >>just Lesmo 2. > > True, my pb is 1:27.36 now. For some reason I loose most time in the > Para, a couple of tenths.. compared to the aliens my entry to para is > just as fast, and my exit is just as fast too, but in the slowest > section of the para I'm losing the time.. I don't understand it, I > take the same line, but when I give more throttle to compensate the > loss of speed I immediately loose my car, for my feeling I'm allready > driving on the edge..

I can barely make low 1:28 and my feelings are that I am driving on the edge too. 1:27.36 looks to me as an alien time. I can't imagine how I can make it. Is your setup and replay available somewhere? I've checked your times at other tracks. Those look human. How do you go that damn fast at Monza?? :) > > And lesmo 1 and 2 are such weird corners.. you have to take them > super-smooth, without sliding the car. So if you take L1 and 2 right, > it will actually feel very slow.. That's exactly how I do it. It feels very slow and it IS slow :( Alex (alexti)

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WWKT6.37555$[email hidden]: ><snip> > I average low 129s but havent run Monza on purpose since I want all > my other track times down as low as I can. Monza & Spa are my fav > tracks so I am punishing myself by not running them...lolThe same logic here. I hate Spa (actually, Monza too) and I was punishing myself by running here for the last 10 days with all kind of setups and cars. If I get decentt laptime I will forget about that track (at least until my definition of decent lap time changes:>) Alex (alexti)

On 07 Jun 2001 15:39:45 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I'll probably stop if I ever get to 1:28 at Monza.<g> >Eldred Whoohoo, GPL FOREVER! :D Andre

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mfUT6.763$[email hidden]... > Neil since I can not figure your email do you have all of Ian Lake'ssetups? > I had all his Lotus but somehow they are gone? I guess I deleted them by > mistake?? Also does Ian Lake only do Lotus or is there other chasiss-s?? I think Ian has given up playing GPL - not sure what he's up to now! I only have his Lotus setups, and have enclosed his setups for Monza and Watkins Glen (note to NG police: sorry for the attachments, but they are very small!). Aside from those tracks I normally use Greger Huttu's setups (version 1, as I find the GH2 setups literally undriveable!). begin 666 il1m27s09.lo1 M4$=44P,```#Y````Q$XLP `````B(B) 6EK:/X[CN#\M9*$_RSV-/P``@#]F M9D9 ! `````````&````& ```"X````^````3@```%,```!9``````#P00`` MJD(``*!!``"@00``H$$``*!!``"T0@``M$(``(Q"``",0@$````!`````0`` M``$````!`````0````$````!``````" OP``@+X``$"_````````2$0``$A$ M``!(1 ``2$0``.! ``#@0 ``X$ ``.! ``" /P``@#\``( _``" /P```+_U G__\]``!(0P``2$,``"! ```@0 ,```````!!``"0038`````(" @ ` end begin 666 il1m03s71.lo1 M4$=44P,```#Y````Q$XLP ````!NVQ9 :6GI/S$,PS_*:Z@_X7J4/P``@#]F M9D9 ! `````````(````%@```"P````X````1@```%,```!9``````#P00`` MJD(``*!!``"@00``H$$``*!!``"T0@``M$(``(Q"``",0@$````!`````0`` M``$````!`````0````$````!``````! OP``@+X```"_````````2$0``$A$ M``!(1 ``2$0``.! ``#@0 ``X$ ``.! ``" /P``@#\``( _``" /_S_?[[\ G_W\^```60P``%D,``"! ```@0 ,``````$! ``"0038`````(" @ ` end

Super Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. > > I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle > setup. How? Practice. Are you an alien? ;-) Jonny 1:32.0 / Lotus / own setup (though some time ago...)

On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:03:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote: >I can barely make low 1:28 and my feelings are that I am driving on >the edge too. 1:27.36 looks to me as an alien time. I can't imagine >how I can make it. Is your setup and replay available somewhere? >I've checked your times at other tracks. Those look human. How >do you go that damn fast at Monza?? :) By practicing a lot at Monza :) Because Monza is one of the easiest tracks to learn, it keeps me fascinated how people can drive 1:26 laps there, on a track with only a couple of corners.. And all the practice I do at Monza helps me understand the car and the setups. If you want my replay and setup, send a mail to [email hidden] and I'll mail it to you. Andre

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>> And lesmo 1 and 2 are such weird corners.. you have to take them >> super-smooth, without sliding the car. So if you take L1 and 2 right, >> it will actually feel very slow.. >That's exactly how I do it. It feels very slow and it IS slow :( > >Alex >(alexti) > >

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:44:25 +0100, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I think Ian has given up playing GPL - not sure what he's up to now! N4 I heard.. >Aside from those tracks I normally use Greger Huttu's setups (version 1, as >I find the GH2 setups literally undriveable!). Me too, for all tracks except for Monza. Just the idea that he drives those alien times with these setups helps me mentally :) Andre

First! Thank you very much & all net cops yell at me for the attached setups I Asked! :-) Now Ian's setups [for me] seem to stick like glue on the tracks! Also the same with Chris Moses in the Eagle' and also my man Tim Wheatley's Honda setups! I dont know how these guys do it? but they do! Ok now, you say you use Huttu's more but I find his setups so very loose & [to me!] they're nothing like Ian's or C Moses or others! If you like Ian's setup how do you use Huttu's? You can email me if it is a long answer..ok? Tia.. Thom_j. P.S. I know many move on but its sad to hear Ian has possibly left GPL. {Btw I have both GH's 1z & 2z setups & both are real hard to drive for me! phew!!} "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qm1U6.72188$[email hidden]...

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| I think Ian has given up playing GPL - not sure what he's up to now! | | I only have his Lotus setups, and have enclosed his setups for Monza and | Watkins Glen (note to NG police: sorry for the attachments, but they are | very small!). | | Aside from those tracks I normally use Greger Huttu's setups (version 1,

as | I find the GH2 setups literally undriveable!). | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

ALIEN ALERT! ALIEN ALERT! BEEP BEEP ALIEN ALERT!! | Super Dave wrote: | Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. | I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle | setup. How? Practice. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Come on oz....where is that .. " I broke 1:30" post! :) One further thing that Dan Leach told me and really helped my times:- Break Earlier than you think you should, but LESS AND, perhaps more importantly, accellerate as early as possible and LESS violently. I hope this helps Ash

last night got a 1.30.2 in the ferrari......figuering out that less brakes is better is quite hard.....but ive only put in about an hour in the last 2 days....but wait until monday...and all you aliens on vroc should be scared! oz. "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9fqjmf$99k$[email hidden]...

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> Come on oz....where is that .. " I broke 1:30" post! :) > > One further thing that Dan Leach told me and really helped my times:- > > Break Earlier than you think you should, but LESS > > AND, perhaps more importantly, accellerate as early as possible and LESS > violently. > > I hope this helps > Ash > >

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>On 07 Jun 2001 15:39:45 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>I'll probably stop if I ever get to 1:28 at Monza.<g> >>Eldred > >Whoohoo, GPL FOREVER! >:D

Penfold, SHUSH. ;-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Super Dave <[email hidden]> writes: >Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. > >I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle >setup. How? Practice. > >Don't give up. No offense, but lots of practice in and of itself won't make you any faster. Trust me - I've turned more laps this week(I took a week off from work) than I have in the past 2 MONTHS. It hasn't helped. If I'm doing the same things as always, I'm only practicing being slow... Problem is, doing something different throws me off the track. I haven't figured out that 'zen' thing yet. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Super Dave > <[email hidden]> writes: > >>Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. > > No offense, but lots of practice in and of itself won't make you any faster. > Trust me - I've turned more laps this week(I took a week off from work) than I > have in the past 2 MONTHS. It hasn't helped. If I'm doing the same things as > always, I'm only practicing being slow... Problem is, doing something > different throws me off the track. I haven't figured out that 'zen' thing yet.

Liar, liar, pants on fire! :-) I do look at GPLrank from time to time, and it seems to me that you've taken about four seconds off your handicap in the last week or so. That's no small thing... Marc

Sorry oz... One thing you'll never do is "Scare!" the **aliens** hahaha Just hook up with Guy Wilson at Monza & tell me how you make out! He averages in the 126s right now & Guy wouldnt consider himself an alien or at least he wont admit it to us Earthlings..lol <G> Good luck & Have fun anyway tho'.. Thats the bottom line!! Thom_j. Still An Earthling "oz" wrote: | ...and all you aliens on vroc should be scared! oz. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Ok Eldred, Here's the Zen secret: "It is not what is, is but what is, is not!! Now go "grasshopper" and prosper :-) "EldredP" wrote: | I haven't figured out that 'zen' thing yet. | Eldred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Practice *does* make perfect Eldred, but it takes longer sometimes than others. Don't forget to use Replay Analyser LOADS to compare your laps with someone a couple of seconds faster, and then when you figure out where you can push harder, get straight back into GPL and do so! Setups are worth spending 10 minutes on but NO MORE than 10 minutes - best way is to make sure you steal the gear ratios from a hotlapper and then use whatever other settings feel comfortable to you, leastways that's what someone much much faster than me told me the other day and it seems to make sense... Good luck Jim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Super Dave > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. > > > >I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle > >setup. How? Practice. > > > >Don't give up. > > No offense, but lots of practice in and of itself won't make you any

faster. > Trust me - I've turned more laps this week(I took a week off from work)than I > have in the past 2 MONTHS. It hasn't helped. If I'm doing the samethings as > always, I'm only practicing being slow... Problem is, doing something > different throws me off the track. I haven't figured out that 'zen' thingyet.

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> > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Don't neglect the "watch how others do it" technique. In training I will download replays from hotlap sites and alternate between watching that replay and watching mine, to see where he's faster. On line during qualifying (or after I crash out or get tired) I will often "ride along" with a fast guy on the server. Sometimes I don't get anything useful this way (I can't slide through a corner like Huttu and probably never will) but often I will see something I can at least try - if it makes me faster great, if not at least I can eliminate that as an option. I use GPLRA too, but I only find it useful if I'm obviously much slower in one specific area. I use the "time difference" check box in the Graph window - if there is a significant "jump" at one point in the graph then I know I really need to work on that area. Usually though it's just a continuous line, with me getting farther and farther behind (the guy's just better than me). "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9WaU6.20369$[email hidden]... > > Practice *does* make perfect Eldred, but it takes longer sometimes than > others. Don't forget to use Replay Analyser LOADS to compare your lapswith > someone a couple of seconds faster, and then when you figure out where you > can push harder, get straight back into GPL and do so!

Is this true Eldred? Are ya` yankin' our chain a bit?...eh? ..eh? :-) "Marc Fraioli" wrote: | Liar, liar, pants on fire! :-) | I do look at GPLrank from time to time, and it seems to me that you've | taken about four seconds off your handicap in the last week or so. | That's no small thing... | Marc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Only 50% ;-) On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:20:18 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Super Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. >> >> I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle >> setup. How? Practice. > >Are you an alien? ;-) > >Jonny >1:32.0 / Lotus / own setup (though some time ago...) >

With practice comes knowledge... of what works and what doesn't. Obviously doing the same thing over and over won't get you anywhere. Laps are like snow flakes - no two are the same. Wooo.. I'm starting to scare myself :) Best of luck. Dave On 08 Jun 2001 17:05:16 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Super Dave ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Lots of practice is the only way to get faster. >> >>I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle >>setup. How? Practice. >> >>Don't give up. > >No offense, but lots of practice in and of itself won't make you any faster. >Trust me - I've turned more laps this week(I took a week off from work) than I >have in the past 2 MONTHS. It hasn't helped. If I'm doing the same things as >always, I'm only practicing being slow... Problem is, doing something >different throws me off the track. I haven't figured out that 'zen' thing yet. > >Eldred

Thank you all mighty master... lol Sorry I just couldnt resist... It's that damm wrotten Lucifer getting in me again.. phew.. :-) "Super Dave" wrote: | With practice comes knowledge... of what works and what doesn't. | Obviously doing the same thing over and over won't get you anywhere. | Laps are like snow flakes - no two are the same. | Wooo.. I'm starting to scare myself :) Best of luck. | Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

In article <9fra04$bhv$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Marc Fraioli) writes: >Liar, liar, pants on fire! :-) > >I do look at GPLrank from time to time, and it seems to me that you've >taken about four seconds off your handicap in the last week or so. >That's no small thing... Sure it was - I went from 8:36 at the Ring to 8:32. That's a small amout for such a long track, but I really don't know *how* I could have done it faster. I was barely hanging on as it WAS... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <9WaU6.20369$[email hidden]>, "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Practice *does* make perfect Eldred, but it takes longer sometimes than >others. Don't forget to use Replay Analyser LOADS to compare your laps with >someone a couple of seconds faster, and then when you figure out where you >can push harder, get straight back into GPL and do so! > >Setups are worth spending 10 minutes on but NO MORE than 10 minutes - best >way is to make sure you steal the gear ratios from a hotlapper and then use >whatever other settings feel comfortable to you, leastways that's what >someone much much faster than me told me the other day and it seems to make >sense...

I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really change is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have to set it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <VleU6.4671$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >Thank you all mighty master... lol Sorry I just couldnt resist... >It's that damm wrotten Lucifer getting in me again.. phew.. :-) Lucifer, huh? Send him my way, wouldja? I need to talk to him about me getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ikbU6.9827$[email hidden]>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >Don't neglect the "watch how others do it" technique. In training I will >download replays from hotlap sites and alternate between watching that >replay and watching mine, to see where he's faster. On line during >qualifying (or after I crash out or get tired) I will often "ride along" >with a fast guy on the server. >Yeah, I do that a lot, too. I usually watch the 1st or 2nd qualifier. >Sometimes I don't get anything useful this way (I can't slide through a >corner like Huttu and probably never will) but often I will see something I >can at least try - if it makes me faster great, if not at least I can >eliminate that as an option. I haven't seen anything that I'm able to use yet. Most of the guys can put the car in places that I can't. It still amazes me to watch a talented driver lap a BRM 3-4 seconds faster than I can in ANY car...<whew!>

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> >I use GPLRA too, but I only find it useful if I'm obviously much slower in >one specific area. I use the "time difference" check box in the Graph >window - if there is a significant "jump" at one point in the graph then I >know I really need to work on that area. Usually though it's just a >continuous line, with me getting farther and farther behind (the guy's just >better than me).

Yep, that's usually what I see - a continous line. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

So you'll sell yer soul for a better GPLRank...eh?? You cant be that obsessed, Can Ya E..? phew...lol "EldredP" wrote: | Lucifer, huh? Send him my way, wouldja? I need to talk to him about me | getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001

In article <cqhU6.5088$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >So you'll sell yer soul for a better GPLRank...eh?? You cant be that >obsessed, Can Ya E..? phew...lol > >"EldredP" wrote: >| Lucifer, huh? Send him my way, wouldja? I need to talk to him about me >| getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:) Well, I'm not USING my soul right now...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 09 Jun 2001 01:39:31 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really change >is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have to set >it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights... Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1. Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for me :) Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > On 09 Jun 2001 01:39:31 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really change > >is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have to set > >it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights... > > Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1. > Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for > me :) > > Andre >

Eldred, a really simple way to improve the handling without getting into the complexities is to add or subtract a little from the roll bars. If it's understeering either take 10 off the front or put 10 on the back. Opposite for oversteer. It really makes a marked difference. If you're changing your setups by purely adjusting the steering rack you're basically just fudging over a setup that still doesn't work right. Surely it's better to get the setup working properly for you rather than against you. Kev

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On 09 Jun 2001 01:39:31 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >> >I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really >change >> >is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have >to set >> >it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights... >> >> Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1. >> Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for >> me :) >> >> Andre >> > >Eldred, a really simple way to improve the handling without getting into >the complexities is to add or subtract a little from the roll bars. If >it's understeering either take 10 off the front or put 10 on the back. >Opposite for oversteer. It really makes a marked difference. If you're >changing your setups by purely adjusting the steering rack you're >basically just fudging over a setup that still doesn't work right. >Surely it's better to get the setup working properly for you rather than >against you. >

Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod wheel, connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting out of PIT LANE... Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My problem at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the steering just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm very much a setup newbie but one of my GPL setup "crib sheets" says that increasing the front toe-in gives "more straight line stability, more drag, less grip in tight turns, never use negative toe-in at rear". Don't know if that helps much Eldred, maybe if you look at several setups to see what values other people use for front toe-in then you might find you have a wacko setting? HTH Jim > Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car ina > straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. Myproblem > at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be > explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct thesteering

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> just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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> Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod wheel, > connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting out > of PIT LANE... > Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a > straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My problem > at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be > explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the steering > just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult.

Sounds like another case of a large dead zone to me. You have wiped it out with DXTweak or CTFJ or some such, haven't you? -- Fester

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>EldredP wrote: >> Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod >wheel, >> connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting >out >> of PIT LANE... >> Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a >> straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My >problem >> at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be >> explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the >steering >> just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult. > > >Sounds like another case of a large dead zone to me. You have wiped it >out with DXTweak or CTFJ or some such, haven't you?

Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was only if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit... <stares intently at feet> Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to suddenly be able to drive fast... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was only > if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit... > <stares intently at feet> > Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to suddenly > be able to drive fast... :) I sense another posting soon regarding a negative GPLRank, by our own St. Eldred. ;-) -- Fester

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>Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was only >if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit... ><stares intently at feet> >Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to suddenly >be able to drive fast... :) > >Eldred

Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my system. This could be interesting Eldred.. Andre

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In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was >only >> if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit... >> <stares intently at feet> >> Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to >suddenly >> be able to drive fast... :) > > >I sense another posting soon regarding a negative GPLRank, by our own >St. Eldred. ;-) >

Don't hold your breath, Chuck...<g> You going to the Free Prix day? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup >dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with >Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the >wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your >wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my >system. >This could be interesting Eldred..

I haven't tried it yet. That was a Lotus setup, right? I had two league races I needed to practice for. One was at Brands Hatch, which I *hate*. My Monza league race this past week was in an Eagle, which I needed practice on. I'll try it this week. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > Don't hold your breath, Chuck...<g> You going to the Free Prix day? > Absolutely! My vacation starts at 10pm tonight when I get off work. Just hope it cools off some for Friday... :-/ -- Fester

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>Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup >dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with >Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the >wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your >wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my >system. >This could be interesting Eldred.. >

Ok, I just tried Leonardo's setup. Straight out of the box, I kept spinning on the first lap. Finally got 2 laps put together, but the car was all over the place(I would have been pulled over for drunk driving...). Laptimes(including outlap) - 1:51, 1:31.9, 1:31.6. I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%. Tried the setup again. 1:44, 1:39, 1:44, 1:32. Better, but not comfortable. The car swapped ends on braking at Para the first three laps. Loaded up Alison's setting that I changed to a 18:1 ratio. 1:35, 1:30.8, 1:30.1. Although I just realized while posting this that I should have tried the first setup again, but maybe changed the steering ratio. I don't think that would have helped the braking, though. What's your linearity set at? Mine is set under the 'E'. Also, what's your deadzone set at? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%. Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting it to 0%. This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.), and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in. -- -asbjxrn

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> > >Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup > >dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with > >Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the > >wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your > >wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my > >system. > >This could be interesting Eldred.. > > > > Ok, I just tried Leonardo's setup. Straight out of the box, I kept spinning on > the first lap. Finally got 2 laps put together, but the car was all over the > place(I would have been pulled over for drunk driving...). Laptimes(including > outlap) - 1:51, 1:31.9, 1:31.6. I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the > 10% that it was to 5%. Tried the setup again. 1:44, 1:39, 1:44, 1:32. > Better, but not comfortable. The car swapped ends on braking at Para the first > three laps. Loaded up Alison's setting that I changed to a 18:1 ratio. 1:35, > 1:30.8, 1:30.1. Although I just realized while posting this that I should have > tried the first setup again, but maybe changed the steering ratio. I don't > think that would have helped the braking, though. > What's your linearity set at? Mine is set under the 'E'. Also, what's your > deadzone set at?

SET THAT DEADZONE TO 0!! Sorry to yell.... carry on. <g> Don't know about anybody else, but I run full linear. -- Fester

Jeeez UF my eyes hurt...lol Me too.. "Uncle Fester" wrote: | SET THAT DEADZONE TO 0!! Sorry to yell.... carry on. <g> Don't know | about anybody else, but I run full linear. | -- | Fester --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

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>Ok, I just tried Leonardo's setup. Straight out of the box, I kept spinning on >the first lap. Finally got 2 laps put together, but the car was all over the >place(I would have been pulled over for drunk driving...). Laptimes(including >outlap) - 1:51, 1:31.9, 1:31.6. I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the >10% that it was to 5%. Tried the setup again. 1:44, 1:39, 1:44, 1:32. >Better, but not comfortable. The car swapped ends on braking at Para the first >three laps. Loaded up Alison's setting that I changed to a 18:1 ratio. 1:35, >1:30.8, 1:30.1. Although I just realized while posting this that I should have >tried the first setup again, but maybe changed the steering ratio. I don't >think that would have helped the braking, though. >What's your linearity set at? Mine is set under the 'E'. Also, what's your >deadzone set at?

Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere. I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you. The setup from L.Grandis is ofcourse more difficult to handle than for example Alison's setups, Leonardo drives a 1:26.49 with this one, so I can imagine this setup is a tad more difficult for you than Alison's setup. Brake bias is more to the rear so you have to brake real carefully and press the throttle just a little bit under braking to stabilize the car. But the point I was curious about was: does the car weave on the straight, after Ascari for example? On my system it doesn't, as you can see in my replay. Too bad you live so far away, I'd love to test your system to see if you have been driving with a bad system setup.. Perhaps you can visit a GPL'er in your neighbourhood to test GPL on his system to see if there are any differences? A friend of mine has allmost the same system as me, same wheel, but he hasn't fine-tuned his settings and I'm 1-2 seconds slower on Monza on his system.. Do check out Nunnini's and Alison's site, they are full with system setup tips (I remember I got my deadzone tweaks from www.simracingmag.com). Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played >with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to >alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere. >I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you. >Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think...

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>The setup from L.Grandis is ofcourse more difficult to handle than for >example Alison's setups, Leonardo drives a 1:26.49 with this one, so I >can imagine this setup is a tad more difficult for you than Alison's >setup. Brake bias is more to the rear so you have to brake real >carefully and press the throttle just a little bit under braking to >stabilize the car. >But the point I was curious about was: does the car weave on the >straight, after Ascari for example? On my system it doesn't, as you >can see in my replay.

Yes, quite a bit.

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> >Too bad you live so far away, I'd love to test your system to see if >you have been driving with a bad system setup.. >Perhaps you can visit a GPL'er in your neighbourhood to test GPL on >his system to see if there are any differences? >A friend of mine has allmost the same system as me, same wheel, but he >hasn't fine-tuned his settings and I'm 1-2 seconds slower on Monza on >his system..

1-2 seconds sounds like a LOT of time at Monza... >Do check out Nunnini's and Alison's site, they are full with system >setup tips (I remember I got my deadzone tweaks from >www.simracingmag.com). > I'll see what I can find. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > >> I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%. > >Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting >it to 0%. >This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the >deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering >wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.), >and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in. >--

My onscreen wheel in GPL didn't show a deadzone either. I was surprized when I saw 10% - I thought that was a bit high... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to. Erm, hope that made sense... Jim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden](Andre

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> Warringa) writes: > > >Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played > >with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to > >alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere. > >I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you. > > > Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think... > > >The setup from L.Grandis is ofcourse more difficult to handle than for > >example Alison's setups, Leonardo drives a 1:26.49 with this one, so I > >can imagine this setup is a tad more difficult for you than Alison's > >setup. Brake bias is more to the rear so you have to brake real > >carefully and press the throttle just a little bit under braking to > >stabilize the car. > >But the point I was curious about was: does the car weave on the > >straight, after Ascari for example? On my system it doesn't, as you > >can see in my replay. > > Yes, quite a bit. > > > > >Too bad you live so far away, I'd love to test your system to see if > >you have been driving with a bad system setup.. > >Perhaps you can visit a GPL'er in your neighbourhood to test GPL on > >his system to see if there are any differences? > >A friend of mine has allmost the same system as me, same wheel, but he > >hasn't fine-tuned his settings and I'm 1-2 seconds slower on Monza on > >his system.. > > 1-2 seconds sounds like a LOT of time at Monza... > > >Do check out Nunnini's and Alison's site, they are full with system > >setup tips (I remember I got my deadzone tweaks from > >www.simracingmag.com). > > > > I'll see what I can find. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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> Warringa) writes: > > >Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played > >with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to > >alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere. > >I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you. > > > Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think...

I use full linear as well - it's quite sensitive on the straights, but I get better control in the corners. Also, I just checked - my deadzone is 0% and always has been - I can fully imagine how disastrous it would be to have a non-zero deadzone, as I would never be able to make the small corrections needed to keep the car on the straights! Get rid of that deadzone!

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > >> I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%. > >Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting >it to 0%. >This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the >deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering >wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.), >and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in.

I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight. Therefore you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels completely straight causing the car to wander. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

In article <Wr5W6.13971$[email hidden]>, "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> writes: >I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing >that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one >way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to. >Erm, hope that made sense... Actually, it does. :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone >should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your >steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight. Therefore >you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no >deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels >completely straight causing the car to wander. I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about deadzone before. The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants to deviate from the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, and you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. Chuck, Andre - is that how it works? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone > >should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your > >steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight. Therefore > >you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no > >deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels > >completely straight causing the car to wander. > > I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about deadzone > before. > The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants to deviate from > the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large > deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's > direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, and > you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the > corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. > Chuck, Andre - is that how it works?

Absolutely. Kinda like having a worn-out steering gear, or badly worn steering linkage. Is it working better for you now, Eldred? -- Fester

Just as a bit of info, the GPL Foolishness site (http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/) has this to say about the linear setting. Set the steering to fully linear. It may seem a bit weird at first, but it permits better medium-high speed steering control (great for Monza and Silverstone), makes it easier to catch slides and seems to give you a better 'feel' for the car. I find trail braking almost impossible without fully linear steering. By the same token (if you are running version 1.1.0.3 or above) edit core.ini, find the [ Hack ] section and set steer_ratio to 0. This prevents the steering from progressively switching to a 7:1 ratio when the speed drops below 60 MPH. This may seem like a good idea for getting out of your pit stalls and getting round the tight hairpins at Moncao, but in reality it really messes up your handling of the car at these low speeds. For example, before I turned the hack off, I could never drive Monaco/Sainte D�vote or Rouen/Nouveau Monde consistently - I never felt I had full control of the car.

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > EldredP wrote: > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, PeterIves > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone > > >should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your > > >steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight.Therefore > > >you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no > > >deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels > > >completely straight causing the car to wander. > > > > I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried aboutdeadzone > > before. > > The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants todeviate from > > the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large > > deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's > > direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seemMAJOR, and

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> > you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the > > corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. > > Chuck, Andre - is that how it works? > > > Absolutely. Kinda like having a worn-out steering gear, or badly worn > steering linkage. Is it working better for you now, Eldred?

I can almost hear the intake of breath as we wait for the answer... ... wondering how Eldred's next session will go... ;-)

Neil Raine wrote: > > I can almost hear the intake of breath as we wait for the answer... > > ... wondering how Eldred's next session will go... ;-) If Eldred has gotta as far as he has so far with a deadzone of 10% (!!!), I think this may be the thing that bumps him into negative territory! -- Fester

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >Peter Ives ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone >>should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your >>steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight. Therefore >>you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no >>deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels >>completely straight causing the car to wander. > >I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about >deadzone >before. >The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants to deviate from >the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large >deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's >direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, >and >you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the >corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. >Chuck, Andre - is that how it works? > >Eldred

Cheers Eldred, can't say I've noticed things as bad as that. Generally I don't have too much difficulty going straight now. More of a problem keeping the car from veering off under braking, though even this is less so than it used to be say 2 or 3 weeks ago so perhaps it was a technique thing, though I still have my linearity at about 2/3rds non-linear because any more linear and the old problems start to reappear. Ok, I'm off to get these utils to change my deadzone to see how things pan out anyway. If I have any comments to make I'll start a new thread about it. This one is getting way too long. :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes: > I don't get this, can someone please explain. To me, having a deadzone > should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your > steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight. Therefore > you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no > deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels > completely straight causing the car to wander. The wheels are almost straight, or they may be straight, but the car may be pointed a little bit to one side. The problem with the deadzone is that there isn't anything that tells you where the deadzone ends so smaal adjustments are hard to do because you have to travel across a deadzone of unknown size before the input starts to have any effect. So when you try to correct the steering, you will probably overcorrect and start to weer off in the other direction. -- -asbjxrn

Although i've set my linearity to full-linear, I've never played with the deadzone - how do I find out what % deadzone I have? Even tiny movements of my wheel (MS non-FF) make the GPL onscreen wheel move, but someone has pointed out that that doesn't necessarily guarantee zero deadzone (which doesn't make sense to me, but I'm interested to know anyway) Thanks Jim "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:992551553.829597@dionysos...

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> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Andre > > Warringa) writes: > > > > >Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played > > >with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to > > >alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere. > > >I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you. > > > > > Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think... > > I use full linear as well - it's quite sensitive on the straights, but I

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> better control in the corners. > > Also, I just checked - my deadzone is 0% and always has been - I can fully > imagine how disastrous it would be to have a non-zero deadzone, as I would > never be able to make the small corrections needed to keep the car on the > straights! > > Get rid of that deadzone! > > > >

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>By the same token (if you are running version 1.1.0.3 or above) edit >core.ini, find the [ Hack ] section and set steer_ratio to 0. This >prevents the steering from progressively switching to a 7:1 ratio when >the speed drops below 60 MPH. This may seem like a good idea for >getting out of your pit stalls and getting round the tight hairpins at >Moncao, but in reality it really messes up your handling of the car at >these low speeds. For example, before I turned the hack off, I could >never drive Monaco/Sainte D�vote or Rouen/Nouveau Monde >consistently - I never felt I had full control of the car.

Andre, have you disabled the hack while using Leonardo's setup? Just looking for another frame of reference... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about >deadzone >> before. >> The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants to deviate >from >> the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large >> deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's >> direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, >and >> you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the >> corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. >> Chuck, Andre - is that how it works? > > >Absolutely. Kinda like having a worn-out steering gear, or badly worn >steering linkage. Is it working better for you now, Eldred?

I haven't had a chance to hit it again yet. I'll run some laps tonight. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sorry Jim but I do not agree.. I have run GPL since they were put on the shelves 3yrs ago and I have tried many parts of the linear spectrum to see what was best for me! I had several I liked but I ended up with the linear all to the way to the left. I can still run it easily in other places on the slide but I opt for full left.. "Jim Seamus" wrote: | I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing | that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one | way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to. | Erm, hope that made sense... | | Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:30:49 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sorry Jim but I do not agree.. I have run GPL since they were put on the >shelves 3yrs ago and I have tried many parts of the linear spectrum to see >what was best for me! I had several I liked but I ended up with the linear >all to the way to the left. I can still run it easily in other places on the >slide >but I opt for full left.. Full left = Full linear Thom :) Andre

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> >"Jim Seamus" wrote: > >| I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing >| that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one >| way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to. >| Erm, hope that made sense... >| >| Jim > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001 > > >

On 14 Jun 2001 19:43:49 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about deadzone >before. >The way I understand(now) it is this: The car naturally wants to deviate from >the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc. Having a large >deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's >direction take longer to show up. This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, and >you're constantly 'chasing' the car. With little(or no) deadzone, the >corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable. >Chuck, Andre - is that how it works?

You got it buddy :) Indeed I'm allways making corrections on the straight subconscious..never really thought about that either actually :) Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (markgame) writes: > >>By the same token (if you are running version 1.1.0.3 or above) edit >>core.ini, find the [ Hack ] section and set steer_ratio to 0. This >>prevents the steering from progressively switching to a 7:1 ratio when >>the speed drops below 60 MPH. This may seem like a good idea for >>getting out of your pit stalls and getting round the tight hairpins at >>Moncao, but in reality it really messes up your handling of the car at >>these low speeds. For example, before I turned the hack off, I could >>never drive Monaco/Sainte D�vote or Rouen/Nouveau Monde >>consistently - I never felt I had full control of the car. > >Andre, have you disabled the hack while using Leonardo's setup? Just looking >for another frame of reference...

No, I haven't. Actually a couple of weeks ago I experimented with this (again). In the end it seems a matter of personal preference and not a 'must' setting. Some of the fastest guys have it on, some have it off. I feel that I have perfect control with the ratio to 1, it's just something you have to get used too, and it's quite handy at the hairpins. But.. after reading Nunnini's text I think I'm going to turn it off again for a while to see if it helps.. Nunnini says it helps at Sainte Devote at Monaco, but the major disadvantage of this is is that you have to set your steering ratio WAY lower at Monaco to get around the hairpin, making steering much more harder for me.. Andre

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> >Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It's the other bit he disagrees with Andre. I.e. that once you're used to one setting, the other becoming impossible, which I don't agree with either. That said, I do use full linear exlusively as well. Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote...

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> "Thom j." wrote: > > > Sorry Jim but I do not agree.. I have run GPL since they > > were put on the shelves 3yrs ago and I have tried many > > parts of the linear spectrum to see what was best for me! > > I had several I liked but I ended up with the linear all > > to the way to the left. I can still run it easily in other > > places on the slide but I opt for full left.. > > Full left = Full linear Thom :) > > Andre

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:01:19 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's the other bit he disagrees with Andre. I.e. that once you're used to >one setting, the other becoming impossible, which I don't agree with either. > >That said, I do use full linear exlusively as well. Woops, my fault. Andre

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> >Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> "Thom j." wrote: >> >> > Sorry Jim but I do not agree.. I have run GPL since they >> > were put on the shelves 3yrs ago and I have tried many >> > parts of the linear spectrum to see what was best for me! >> > I had several I liked but I ended up with the linear all >> > to the way to the left. I can still run it easily in other >> > places on the slide but I opt for full left.. >> >> Full left = Full linear Thom :) >> >> Andre > >

Yea dats me!! :-) I wont even tell them my steer lock & that I race on a bed without touching one pedal at all cuz no one would ever believe me...lol :-) "Andre Warringa" wrote: | Full left = Full linear Thom :) | | Andre | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001