GPL is causing me problems (driving ability, not hardware issues)

My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very close 1:11:45 (cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch) I've been driving GPL for about 6 months. And I was driving the demo off and on since it was released. My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and or decelerating. (...Before I get too far, I have the original LWFF with a squash ball, and I right foot break. Using the GPL Foolishness setups for Ferrari, and Ali Hine Cooper setups....) (1) Exiting the Speed Trap, and breaking for the Big Bend the car seems to want to dramatically turn to the right or the left as the strait starts. Letting off the gas slowly doesn't seem to solve this. The only way I can make the corner is to lift quickly and break very hard (full lock-up) to stabilize the car, and then go slowly into the bend. (2) Breaking for the loop, I can break gently enough to sometimes send the car turning on it's own into the first part of the corner (a proper trail-brake) but more often than not I miss time it, either turning into the right side grass or hitting head long into the hay bails. Less efficient lock up breaking also gets me though this corner more consistently. These problems are much less pronounced in the cooper, and will probably switch to it after my league season completes. However the problems still remain. Any thoughts?

Plenty... all of which are moot without seeing you drive (could you possibly upload a lap somewhere?). With assists turned off, 1m09's or even quicker should be quite easy using even an unmodified LWFF and Nunnini's setups for the F1 Ferrari. Either you're experiencing major hardware / calibration difficulties or your approach to the track is way off. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Kai Fuller wrote... > My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very > close 1:11:45 (cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch) > > <snip>

In article <jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and or decelerating. You are not alone! I can just scrape under 1:11 at the Glen . Frustrated ... -- Mick

says... You are not alone! I can just scrape under 1:11 at the Glen . Frustrated ... -- Mick

"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]... > My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very close1:11:45 > (cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch) > > I've been driving GPL for about 6 months. And I was driving the demooff and > on since it was released. > > My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and ordecelerating. > (...Before I get too far, I have the original LWFF with a squashball, and I > right foot break. Using the GPL Foolishness setups for Ferrari, andAli Hine > Cooper setups....) > > (1) Exiting the Speed Trap, and breaking for the Big Bend the carseems to > want to dramatically turn to the right or the left as the straitstarts. > Letting off the gas slowly doesn't seem to solve this. The only wayI can > make the corner is to lift quickly and break very hard (fulllock-up) to > stabilize the car, and then go slowly into the bend. > Any thoughts? >Are you keeping well over to the left, as close to the rail as you can get? -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:52:47 +0100, Mick <[email hidden]> wrote: >In article <jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and or decelerating. > >You are not alone! I can just scrape under 1:11 at the Glen . Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. Andre > >Frustrated ... > >-- >Mick

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:57:16 -0700, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: >My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very close 1:11:45 >(cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch)[snip] Take a look at this : http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ If you download the full .zip file you get some example replays some of which are of Watkins Glen and they may help you. Maxx

Andre or Anyone, I just started using "GPL Replay Analyzer" {yea I know, what are you stupid?} anyway is the way that you can set GPL up to make your practice & races laps make a replay automatically so you dont have to keep going into replay to save it? All hopefully positive replies welcome.. :-) Tia.. Thom_j. "Andre Warringa" wrote: | Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you | are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. | GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. | | Andre --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:30:49 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre or Anyone, >I just started using "GPL Replay Analyzer" {yea I know, what are you >stupid?} >anyway is the way that you can set GPL up to make your practice & races laps >make a replay automatically so you dont have to keep going into replay to >save >it? All hopefully positive replies welcome.. :-) Tia.. Thom_j.

Uh, the question isn't exactly clear to me Thom, but when you exit a race you can save a replay easily from there (at the top right window). Press the 'back to beginning' button, press 'record' press 'go to end' button, press 'record' again and enter a filename. Then load the replay into GPLRA, load a replay from Huttu or another Alien, and you can perfectly compare the driven lines and lots of other stuff. Andre

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>"Andre Warringa" wrote: > >| Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you >| are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. >| GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. >| >| Andre > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >

In article <jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]>, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> writes: > (1) Exiting the Speed Trap, and breaking for the Big Bend the car seems to > want to dramatically turn to the right or the left as the strait starts. > Letting off the gas slowly doesn't seem to solve this. The only way I can > make the corner is to lift quickly and break very hard (full lock-up) to > stabilize the car, and then go slowly into the bend. Oh, so you're one of those guys online whose defense against being passed is the blinding smoke screen into the corners approach, eh? Very effective, I must admit... ;-) Anyway, it sounds like you're straddling the crown on the road as you brake, which will definitely fling your car to one side or the other. Try keeping the car fully to one side (the left) when you brake. > (2) Breaking for the loop, I can break gently enough to sometimes send the > car turning on it's own into the first part of the corner (a proper > trail-brake) but more often than not I miss time it, either turning into the > right side grass or hitting head long into the hay bails. Less efficient > lock up breaking also gets me though this corner more consistently. If you're struggling with control under braking, don't try to trail brake yet. Just get your braking done in a straight line, then turn in. This technique isn't the fastest, but it's certainly good enough to get you under 1:11. Marc

You don't even need to do that much Andre.... When you're in the menu looking at your lap times or the race results or whatever, just click the save button under the video window in the top right quarter of the screen. The save button looks like a Windows folder, it's second from the right. Type in a filename and you're done :0) GPLRA is very funky, I'm a big fan of it. Just discovered today the "binoculars" button on the toolbar to load up all the laps from a particular track, much quicker than loading each replay individually as I was doing before! Cheerio Jim Seamus "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:30:49 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Andre or Anyone, > >I just started using "GPL Replay Analyzer" {yea I know, what are you > >stupid?} > >anyway is the way that you can set GPL up to make your practice & races

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> >make a replay automatically so you dont have to keep going into replay to > >save > >it? All hopefully positive replies welcome.. :-) Tia.. Thom_j. > > Uh, the question isn't exactly clear to me Thom, but when you exit a > race you can save a replay easily from there (at the top right > window). > Press the 'back to beginning' button, press 'record' press 'go to end' > button, press 'record' again and enter a filename. > > Then load the replay into GPLRA, load a replay from Huttu or another > Alien, and you can perfectly compare the driven lines and lots of > other stuff. > > Andre > > > >"Andre Warringa" wrote: > > > >| Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you > >| are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. > >| GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. > >| > >| Andre > > > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > > > >

Ok Andre thanx!!! I just have a bad habit of hopping from say Mexico to Rouen to Spa back to Monza without thinking about replays since I am probably the last person who just found out about GPLRA. I am a little slow at times Ecccck. Like what a year+? phew...lol "Andre Warringa" wrote:

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| Uh, the question isn't exactly clear to me Thom, but when you exit a | race you can save a replay easily from there (at the top right | window). | Press the 'back to beginning' button, press 'record' press 'go to end' | button, press 'record' again and enter a filename. | | Then load the replay into GPLRA, load a replay from Huttu or another | Alien, and you can perfectly compare the driven lines and lots of | other stuff. | | Andre

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"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]... > My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and or decelerating. 1) Make sure you have 36 fps all the time, otherwise braking is very hard in GPL 2) Use a brake-friendly setup, which usually means an 85/30/6 diff and fairly stiff suspension 3) Make sure the brake bias is well to the front wheels 4) Try lots of other people's setups to find one to match your driving better 5) If you've done all that... practice (what else did you expect?) Good luck, Leo

In article <ZtKT6.37545$[email hidden]>, Thom j. <[email hidden]> writes

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>Andre or Anyone, >I just started using "GPL Replay Analyzer" {yea I know, what are you >stupid?} >anyway is the way that you can set GPL up to make your practice & races >laps >make a replay automatically so you dont have to keep going into replay to >save >it? All hopefully positive replies welcome.. :-) Tia.. Thom_j. >

Well, apart from pressing F2 whilst practicing, which at least means you don't have to exit back to the pits, there's no other easy way. For races you'll just have to make sure you have a large enough replaymemory setting so you don't lose too many laps.

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>"Andre Warringa" wrote: > >| Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you >| are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. >| GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. >| >| Andre > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >

-- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

I have my virtual memory in Windows & reply for GPL writing to my HD {1gig} and I have plenty of HD space.. Thanx for the info Peter!! "Peter Ives" wrote: | Well, apart from pressing F2 whilst practicing, which at least means you | don't have to exit back to the pits, there's no other easy way. For | races you'll just have to make sure you have a large enough replaymemory | setting so you don't lose too many laps. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:56:47 +0100, "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >You don't even need to do that much Andre.... > >When you're in the menu looking at your lap times or the race results or >whatever, just click the save button under the video window in the top right >quarter of the screen. The save button looks like a Windows folder, it's >second from the right. Type in a filename and you're done :0)

Well I be damned.. learn something new everyday :) Thx:) Andre

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>On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:56:47 +0100, "Jim Seamus" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>You don't even need to do that much Andre.... >> >>When you're in the menu looking at your lap times or the race results or >>whatever, just click the save button under the video window in the top right >>quarter of the screen. The save button looks like a Windows folder, it's >>second from the right. Type in a filename and you're done :0) > >Well I be damned.. learn something new everyday :) >Thx:)

I've told you that before, Andre...<sigh> :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

He forgets, that's why he learns something new every day!! ;-) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > I've told you that before, Andre...<sigh> > :-) > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26...

I try, at least that is the plan... though I usually end up into the left side rail. Laurence Wilmer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FMGT6.7117$[email hidden]...

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> > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]... > > My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very close > 1:11:45 > > (cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch) > > > > I've been driving GPL for about 6 months. And I was driving the demo > off and > > on since it was released. > > > > My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and or > decelerating. > > (...Before I get too far, I have the original LWFF with a squash > ball, and I > > right foot break. Using the GPL Foolishness setups for Ferrari, and > Ali Hine > > Cooper setups....) > > > > (1) Exiting the Speed Trap, and breaking for the Big Bend the car > seems to > > want to dramatically turn to the right or the left as the strait > starts. > > Letting off the gas slowly doesn't seem to solve this. The only way > I can > > make the corner is to lift quickly and break very hard (full > lock-up) to > > stabilize the car, and then go slowly into the bend. > > Any thoughts? > > > Are you keeping well over to the left, as close to the rail as you can > get? > > -- > Laurence Wilmer > [email hidden] > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01 > >

I'm definitely not smooth through the line it seems, but I'm definitely taking a line that is similar to those of faster laps. Maybe it's just that we're bad drivers? :) Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:52:47 +0100, Mick <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <jrzT6.28297$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > >says... > >> My problem seems to be completely to do with breaking and ordecelerating.

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> > > >You are not alone! I can just scrape under 1:11 at the Glen . > > Use GPL Replay Analyzer guys, 1:11 is way off the mark, I think you > are taking a completely wrong line here or something like that.. > GPLRA will show you what you are doing wrong.. > > Andre > > > > > >Frustrated ... > > > >-- > >Mick >

I could upload a file on my web server space, and let you know where and when. k? Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Plenty... all of which are moot without seeing you drive (could youpossibly > upload a lap somewhere?). > > With assists turned off, 1m09's or even quicker should be quite easy using > even an unmodified LWFF and Nunnini's setups for the F1 Ferrari. > > Either you're experiencing major hardware / calibration difficulties oryour

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> approach to the track is way off. > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > Kai Fuller wrote... > > My PB at the Glen is around 1:11:44 (Ferrari) and a very > > close 1:11:45 (cooper, with a bobble on the front stretch) > > > > <snip> > >

That'll do just fine, thanks. Jan. =--- Kai Fuller wrote... > I could upload a file on my web server space, and > let you know where and when. > > k? > <snip>

Sounds like brakes are pulling you off course, with wheels locking/ snatching. I always had this problem, as my left foot is not very sensitive and controllable. Have developed a new technique of planting left foot all the way down so the wheels lock, then adding a bit of right foot to unlock them. (Since I'm on single axis brake throttle, adding right release some brake, and my right foot is more accurate). Just a thought. -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BZcU6.33004$[email hidden]... > I try, at least that is the plan... though I usually end up into the left > side rail. > > > Laurence Wilmer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FMGT6.7117$[email hidden]... > > > > Are you keeping well over to the left, as close to the rail as you can > > get? > > > > -- > > Laurence Wilmer > > [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 31/05/01

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:07:55 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >He forgets, that's why he learns something new every day!! ;-) What can I say but 'touche' :) Andre

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>Jan. >=--- >"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> I've told you that before, Andre...<sigh> >> :-) >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > >