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Hi guys, I just gave the FormulaIS a spin at Toban... positively frightening! This is going to be good online with a full grid, looks like ISI have really pulled the big one this time in creating a worthy successor to GPL, and all that at the low, low price of 34 Euros. Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I sure hope the online code works OK because offline is a joke. This is the worst AI Ive seen in a looong time (an entire field of Pedro Rodriquez's sucks big time). Simbin needs to fix em up cause ISI failed miserably on the AI, the interface and the 3 activation crapola.... Sure "looks" good though, and really gives a good sensation of speed though nearly un-raceable against the drunk/stupid/lame AI... Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hi guys, > > I just gave the FormulaIS a spin at Toban... positively frightening! > This is going to be good online with a full grid, looks like ISI have > really pulled the big one this time in creating a worthy successor to > GPL, and all that at the low, low price of 34 Euros. > > Cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>I sure hope the online code works OK because offline is a joke. This is >the worst AI Ive seen in a looong time (an entire field of Pedro >Rodriquez's sucks big time). Simbin needs to fix em up cause ISI failed >miserably on the AI, the interface and the 3 activation crapola.... Sure >"looks" good though, and really gives a good sensation of speed though >nearly un-raceable against the drunk/stupid/lame AI... >

I think the problem is that the F1s come up on you so fast they simply don'y get a chance to react. The friggers lap you after 2 laps at Mills GP - that how much of a joke the speed difference is. Actually, now that I come to think of it, you can choose the AI I think. Bloody stupid defaults in any case.

> I just gave the FormulaIS a spin at Toban... positively frightening! The AI at 100% run about 1:07 lap times at Toban GP, after about 40 minutes on and off, my best is a 1:09.2, so I've got a ways to go if the AI lap times are truly reflective of what's possible. There are 2 corners that the AI take faster than I can right now (they run 1 gear taller in these two spots). The speed is about the same at F1C99-02 though, just that the track is smaller, a sub 1:10 lap versus a 1:45 lap at Spa for example: http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/f1cspa.wmv or the real thing back in 2002 (qualifying setup here): http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/spaf1.wmv

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> > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PBHRe.172$[email hidden]... >>I sure hope the online code works OK because offline is a joke. This is >>the worst AI Ive seen in a looong time (an entire field of Pedro >>Rodriquez's sucks big time). Simbin needs to fix em up cause ISI failed >>miserably on the AI, the interface and the 3 activation crapola.... Sure >>"looks" good though, and really gives a good sensation of speed though >>nearly un-raceable against the drunk/stupid/lame AI... >> > > I think the problem is that the F1s come up on you so fast they simply > don'y get a chance to react. The friggers lap you after 2 laps at Mills > GP - that how much of a joke the speed difference is. > > Actually, now that I come to think of it, you can choose the AI I > think. Bloody stupid defaults in any case. >

Yes, I should almost apologise here but I wont since it's not my default! :) When racing offline, select all cars of the class you are driving - problem solved.

Yeah, a lot of people over at RSC are bitching about the AI but as the ASS review stated, if you drive properly, the AI is pretty decent. Not that I care at this point - the multiplayer is sublime.

Yeah, I saw the 3 re-activation "without charge" crap. I think this handles better than any ISI based game I've driven yet (I can actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it), but there's an awful lot I"m not liking. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PBHRe.172$[email hidden]...

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>I sure hope the online code works OK because offline is a joke. This is >the worst AI Ive seen in a looong time (an entire field of Pedro >Rodriquez's sucks big time). Simbin needs to fix em up cause ISI failed >miserably on the AI, the interface and the 3 activation crapola.... Sure >"looks" good though, and really gives a good sensation of speed though >nearly un-raceable against the drunk/stupid/lame AI... > > Mitch > > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> Hi guys, >> >> I just gave the FormulaIS a spin at Toban... positively frightening! >> This is going to be good online with a full grid, looks like ISI have >> really pulled the big one this time in creating a worthy successor to >> GPL, and all that at the low, low price of 34 Euros. >> >> Cheers, uwe >> >> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:30:43 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yeah, I saw the 3 re-activation "without charge" crap. > >I think this handles better than any ISI based game I've driven yet (I can >actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it), but there's an awful lot I"m >not liking. Are you referring to driving the F1s? I'm only driving the ZR, but I've already had several instances of not realizing there's a problem until I'm pointing the wrong way. Maybe there's some controller numbers/settings I need to tweak... Eldred

I'm still playing with the controller settings. MY MSFFW finally died so I'm having to get used to this black Momo. The Logitech software almost has _too_ many settings/adjustments, and I'm still working towards the perfect feel. -Larry "Eldred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:30:43 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Yeah, I saw the 3 re-activation "without charge" crap. >> >>I think this handles better than any ISI based game I've driven yet (I can >>actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it), but there's an awful lot >>I"m >>not liking. > > Are you referring to driving the F1s? I'm only driving the ZR, but > I've already had several instances of not realizing there's a problem > until I'm pointing the wrong way. Maybe there's some controller > numbers/settings I need to tweak... > > Eldred

I used someone's FF setup in the controller.ini and it seemed to stiffen up the feel on par with GTr. Just replace these lines in your /userdata/playername/controller.ini and check it out (back up the orig first). The person who tweaked this didnt specify whether he has the Force or the Racing wheel but I use the Force and this works very well for me. [ Force Feedback ] FFB Device Type="1" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad. FFB Effects Level="4" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom. FFB Gain="1.00000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects. Range 0.0 to 1.0. FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis. FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis. FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.20000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.03500" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point). FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude). FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. FFB steer force average weight="0.60000" // How much weight is given to new steering force calculations each frame (0.01 - 1.0). Lower values will smooth out the steering force, but will also add latency. FFB steer force exponent="1.00000" // Steering force output "sensitivity". Range 0.0 to infinity. 0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity. FFB steer force input max="-11500.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction). FFB steer force output max="5.00000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0 FFB steer force grip weight="1.00000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9. How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force. FFB steer update thresh="0.01500" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate. FFB steer friction coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering friction. Range: -1.0 to 1.0 FFB steer friction saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction. Range: 0 - 1.0 FFB steer damper coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering damper. Range: -1.0 to 1.0 FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0 FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.17000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude="0.09000" // Magnitude of engine vibration at 0rpm (reference point). FFB throttle vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude). FFB throttle vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. FFB throttle vibe update thresh="0.08000" // Amount of change required to update throttle vibe (0.0 - 1.0) FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.90000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. FFB brake vibe zero magnitude="0.10000" // Magnitude of brake vibration at 0mph (reference point). FFB brake vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB brake vibe zero magnitude). FFB brake vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. FFB brake vibe update thresh="0.05000" // Amount of change required to update brake vibe (0.0 to 1.0) FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.35000" // How strong the rumble strip rumble is. Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect. FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.60000" // Rumble stip frequency multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev. FFB rumble strip wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. FFB rumble strip pull factor="-1.50000" // How strongly wheel pulls right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5 to 1.5. FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.07500" // Amount of change required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0) FFB jolt magnitude="2.00000" // How strong jolts from other cars (or walls) are. Suggested Range: -2.0 to 2.0. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pc_Te.11987$Cc5.4355@lakeread06...

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> I'm still playing with the controller settings. > > MY MSFFW finally died so I'm having to get used to this black Momo. The > Logitech software almost has _too_ many settings/adjustments, and I'm > still working towards the perfect feel. > > -Larry > > "Eldred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:30:43 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>Yeah, I saw the 3 re-activation "without charge" crap. >>> >>>I think this handles better than any ISI based game I've driven yet (I >>>can >>>actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it), but there's an awful lot >>>I"m >>>not liking. >> >> Are you referring to driving the F1s? I'm only driving the ZR, but >> I've already had several instances of not realizing there's a problem >> until I'm pointing the wrong way. Maybe there's some controller >> numbers/settings I need to tweak... >> >> Eldred > >

Larry wrote: > (I can > actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it) You really shouldn't be able to 4 wheel drift a high-downforce car.

jason moyer wrote:

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> Larry wrote: > > >>(I can >>actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it) > > > You really shouldn't be able to 4 wheel drift a high-downforce car. >

Quite right. Don't people spout the oddest things when they try to impress!

If the car's handling is balanced, and the driver takes it right up to the limit of traction, why wouldn't the car drift? I don't know if F1 drivers get to the point where it drifts or not, but would be surprised if they don't.

You haven't seen me drive on a road course :) -Larry "Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tfgWe.1544$[email hidden]...

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> jason moyer wrote: >> Larry wrote: >> >> >>>(I can >>>actually 4-wheel drift this thing and feel it) >> >> >> You really shouldn't be able to 4 wheel drift a high-downforce car. >> > Quite right. Don't people spout the oddest things when they try to > impress!

[email hidden] wrote: > If the car's handling is balanced, and the driver takes it right up to > the limit of traction, why wouldn't the car drift? I don't know if F1 > drivers get to the point where it drifts or not, but would be surprised > if they don't. > They drift when they club the curbs and unweight the car. Doesn't do much for their lap times though! Look at some of the F1 replays on the net, note how pointy they are, with the cars going in the direction of the nose. Then look at replays of saloon cars with limited downforce, or go back further and look at cars from the wing-less era. Drifting is not the fasted way around a corner in modern F1!

Sidney H Bridge wrote: > They drift when they club the curbs and unweight the car. Doesn't do > much for their lap times though! A wing traveling sideways doesn't produce downforce. I've seen F1 cars slide at low speeds and once at high speed (Kimi at Spa, altho I suspect luck had something to do with saving that), but 99.9% of the time when a high-downforce car starts to slide at high speed it's going off the track. I believe it was Larry who complained that the GTP mod is "grip grip grip chirp gone" and pretty much that's the behavior I'd expect from a car with ground effect (or a diffuser) and tons of downforce. Try the F1 cars in F1C or Rfactor sometime with the "downforce drop off caused by yaw" or whatever it's called set to 1.0, imho it improves the behavior of the car at speed substantially since the wings are no longer providing grip when they're traveling sideways.

Sidney H Bridge wrote: > Quite right. Don't people spout the oddest things when they try to impress! You've officially supplanted Fredrickson as the biggest dipshit on this newgroup. Congrats!

jason moyer wrote:

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> Sidney H Bridge wrote: > > >>Quite right. Don't people spout the oddest things when they try to impress! > > > You've officially supplanted Fredrickson as the biggest dipshit on this > newgroup. Congrats! >

You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course.

He's just an arrogant fuck isnt he. LOL... "Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WtDWe.13834$[email hidden]...

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> jason moyer wrote: >> Sidney H Bridge wrote: >> >> >> > > You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course.

All together now: All: I'd like to teach the world to sing In perfect harmony Mitch: I'd like to hold it in my arms DGF: And keep it company Byron: (That's the song I hear) Jason: I'd like to see the world for once DGF, Mitch & John: (Let the world sing today) All: All standing hand in hand And hear them echo through the hills Sidney: For peace throughout the land All: That's the song I hear Flightless Vacuum:(That's the song I hear) All: Let the world sing today John Simmons: (Let the whole wide world keep singing) All: A song of peace that echoes on Reggie White: And never goes away Phew, that's RAS sorted now for the F1 group... Mitch_A wrote:

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> He's just an arrogant fuck isnt he. LOL... > > "Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WtDWe.13834$[email hidden]... > >>jason moyer wrote: >> >>>Sidney H Bridge wrote: >>> >>> >>> >> >>You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course. > > >

elrikk wrote: >>All together now: >> >>All: I'd like to teach the world to sing<snip>

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>>Phew, that's RAS sorted now for the F1 group... > > LOL ;o) > > Sort of reminds me of John Lennon. "Imagine . . . " > > Be great though. > > Elrikk

Nah, I'm saving that one for r.a.s.f1. They are seriously at odds with one another. Heck, even DGF bailed out of that one!

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> All together now: > > All: I'd like to teach the world to sing > In perfect harmony > Mitch: I'd like to hold it in my arms > DGF: And keep it company > Byron: (That's the song I hear) > Jason: I'd like to see the world for once > DGF, Mitch & John: (Let the world sing today) > All: All standing hand in hand > And hear them echo through the hills > Sidney: For peace throughout the land > All: That's the song I hear > Flightless Vacuum:(That's the song I hear) > All: Let the world sing today > John Simmons: (Let the whole wide world keep singing) > All: A song of peace that echoes on > Reggie White: And never goes away > > Phew, that's RAS sorted now for the F1 group...

LOL ;o) Sort of reminds me of John Lennon. "Imagine . . . " Be great though. Elrikk

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> > Mitch_A wrote: >> He's just an arrogant fuck isnt he. LOL... >> >> "Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:WtDWe.13834$[email hidden]... >> >>>jason moyer wrote: >>> >>>>Sidney H Bridge wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course. >> >>

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6vFWe.109947$[email hidden]...

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> elrikk wrote: > >>>All together now: >>> >>>All: I'd like to teach the world to sing > <snip> > >>>Phew, that's RAS sorted now for the F1 group... >> >> LOL ;o) >> >> Sort of reminds me of John Lennon. "Imagine . . . " >> >> Be great though. >> >> Elrikk > > Nah, I'm saving that one for r.a.s.f1. They are seriously at odds with one > another. Heck, even DGF bailed out of that one!

I had my fun over there, but that group went from angry to ugly. -- David G Fisher

Mitch_A wrote: > He's just an arrogant fuck isnt he. LOL... of course. Put your dick back in your pants, mitch. I'm calling you guys assholes because you're assholes, not because of any difference of opinion. I disagree with some of the guys here about sims and politics or whatnot, but at the end of the day they're reasonable people. You're just a stereotypical fascist cocksucker.

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> All together now: > > All: I'd like to teach the world to sing > In perfect harmony > Mitch: I'd like to hold it in my arms > DGF: And keep it company > Byron: (That's the song I hear) > Jason: I'd like to see the world for once > DGF, Mitch & John: (Let the world sing today) > All: All standing hand in hand > And hear them echo through the hills > Sidney: For peace throughout the land > All: That's the song I hear > Flightless Vacuum:(That's the song I hear) > All: Let the world sing today > John Simmons: (Let the whole wide world keep singing) > All: A song of peace that echoes on > Reggie White: And never goes away > > Phew, that's RAS sorted now for the F1 group... >

Just curious - am I on backing vocals? I want to renegotiate my contract! :)

Byron Forbes wrote:

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>>All together now: >> >>All: I'd like to teach the world to sing >>In perfect harmony >>Mitch: I'd like to hold it in my arms >>DGF: And keep it company >>Byron: (That's the song I hear) >>Jason: I'd like to see the world for once >>DGF, Mitch & John: (Let the world sing today)

<snip> > > Just curious - am I on backing vocals? I want to renegotiate my > contract! :) Don't worry the camera will zoom in on you in the video. Getting DGF, Mitch & John to all hold hands whilst skipping along in a summer meadow is going to take some persuasion but the director's role should be always be challenging to get the right results...

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> Mitch_A wrote: > > >>He's just an arrogant fuck isnt he. LOL... of course. > > > Put your dick back in your pants, mitch. I'm calling you guys assholes > because you're assholes, not because of any difference of opinion. I > disagree with some of the guys here about sims and politics or whatnot, > but at the end of the day they're reasonable people. You're just a > stereotypical fascist cocksucker. >

Steady, lad!

>"Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote > You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course. I'm in charge of all things official here on r.a.s. ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote > Sort of reminds me of John Lennon. "Imagine . . . " > > Be great though. "Imagine all the people, sim'ing all in peace" -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

96' flashback, look out everyone he's gonna blow ;) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ee_We.4537$[email hidden]...

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> >"Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote >> You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course. > > > > I'm in charge of all things official here on r.a.s. > > > > > ;) > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

96' flashback, look out everyone he's gonna blow ;) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ee_We.4537$[email hidden]... >>> >"Sidney H Bridge" <[email hidden]> wrote >>>> You being in charge of official statements on behalf of RAS, of course.

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> >> >> >> >> I'm in charge of all things official here on r.a.s. >> >> >> >> >> ;) >> >> -- >> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>

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In article <Yh1Xe.86236$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Ya know, that should be the requirement for membership in RasFactor. > > "Who is in charge of all things official here on R.A.S.?" > > > You need to learn to snip, quote, get a new newsreader or something, because that message was a mess to decipher. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8 SEARCHING FOR GPL LOADING READY. RUN

Michael Sisson wrote: >> ZZ wrote: <snip> > You need to learn to snip, quote, get a new newsreader or something, > because that message was a mess to decipher. What newsreader do you use ZZ as your posts are quite unique?

<snip> What newsreader do you use ZZ as your posts are quite unique?