Is it GPL or my computer (stutters)?

Hi! GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. My Hardware: FIC SD11 Athlon Slot A 600MHz 128 MB Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) Voodoo3 3000 I have tried everything (latest drivers, bios settings, etc) but nothing has helped. Any suggestions? Klaus

Windows ME, perhaps? See old posts. --Jeff "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi! > > GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times > per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners > it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. > > My Hardware: > FIC SD11 > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > 128 MB > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > Voodoo3 3000 > > > I have tried everything (latest drivers, bios settings, etc) but > nothing has helped. > > Any suggestions? > > > Klaus

I had two devices sharing an IRQ, that caused a similar stuttering. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi! > > GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times > per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners > it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. > > My Hardware: > FIC SD11 > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > 128 MB > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > Voodoo3 3000 > > > I have tried everything (latest drivers, bios settings, etc) but > nothing has helped. > > Any suggestions? > > > Klaus

[email hidden] (Klaus) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... [...] > My Hardware: > FIC SD11 > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > 128 MB > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > Voodoo3 3000 Sorry, I forgot, I am using Windows 98 SE. Klaus

Klaus, has it just started doing this or have you just installed it and this is how it runs? If it's the latter, you probably just need to fiddle with the graphics/sound options or lower resolution/color depth. You may just be running into the limit of your machine. Are you running it in Glide? Do you notice the stutter if you run it in software mode? -- ============================ elh4jj at hotmail <------------------ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Klaus) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > [...] > > My Hardware: > > FIC SD11 > > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > > 128 MB > > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > > Voodoo3 3000 > > Sorry, I forgot, I am using Windows 98 SE. > > > Klaus

Some things to try. May sure your VD3 isn't sharing an IRQ with another device. May sure your SB128 isn't sharing an IRQ with another device. If you run out of IRQ's, disable a com port or two to free one up (assuming a PS/2 mouse). ScanDisk your system. Defrag your system. Get the "End it All" utility and shut down stuff before starting GPL including AntiVirus stuff. Adjust your screen resolutions in GPL. "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi! > > GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times > per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners > it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. > > My Hardware: > FIC SD11 > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > 128 MB > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > Voodoo3 3000 > > > I have tried everything (latest drivers, bios settings, etc) but > nothing has helped. > > Any suggestions? > > > Klaus

You have a very similar system to mine, and I also get minor stuttering in corners, which is mostly caused by having installed the latest graphics addons which add 3D wheels, etc. There are a couple things you might do: 1) Install GSmiley's glide wrapper. http://home.swbell.net/gmsmiley/ and use the MirrorUpdate = 2 option in the .ini file. This gives 4fps more at race starts. 2) In GPL graphics option page put mirrors at CarsOnly and turn off most of the mirror options. You should be able to leave trackside objects at full, but put detail slider at about 1/2. 3) Overclock the voodoo3. You'll want to remove the heatsink, scrape off the heattape and replace with heatsink compound, then replace the heatsink and mount a 486 fan. I run at 180mhz after doing this instead of the default 166mhz. I run GPL at 1280x1024 after doing these things on a K7-700+voodoo3. rms [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Klaus) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... >GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times >per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners >it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. Hi, thanks to all who are trying to help me. I am gathering my answers to you in this message. I have had this stutters since I installed GPL. I have defragmented my harddrive, I have used scandisk now and there is no IRQ conflict, every card has its own IRQ. It is not an obvious performance problem because the problem appears with all textures off and me alone on the track driving with arcade view, too. Maybe it is a problem of timing between the hardware components. I have tested different screen refresh rates now (72, 75, 85, 100Hz) while I have been driving with no AI, 800x600 resolution and all textures on and I have found a solution for me. Not as good as I would wish but GPL runs better than before: 72 Hz: NO stutters (maybe because of GPL's maxed framerate of 36.x?) but bad tearing visible 75 Hz: Worst stutters, tearing visible (the refreshrate that I had used for GPL before this test.) 85 Hz: Stutters less visible, tearing visible 100 Hz: Stutters almost not visible, tearing still visible (but tearing effect is less visible at higher refreshrates). I am using 100 Hz now because of the less visible tearing but is it possible to avoid tearing in GPL? I enabled v-sync for Glide and for D3D in the Display settings but although it works with other games GPL seems to override this setting. Is this true or is there a way to force GPL to let v-sync enabled? Klaus

yeah, i had that when i ran GPL above 800x600, a stuttering noticable when going round corners. i have a fast enough CPU at 900mhz, indeed the same thing happened on my old k62-500. it was cos my tnt2-m64 could only be pushed so far, so i ran at 800x600. got a GF2 GTS now though, so that`s hat problem solved! :) Ritchie "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g0b54$eor$[email hidden]...

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> Windows ME, perhaps? See old posts. > > --Jeff > > "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi! > > > > GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times > > per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners > > it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. > > > > My Hardware: > > FIC SD11 > > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > > 128 MB > > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > > Voodoo3 3000 > > > > > > I have tried everything (latest drivers, bios settings, etc) but > > nothing has helped. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Klaus > >

On 11 Jun 2001 09:41:42 -0700, [email hidden] (Klaus) wrote: >thanks to all who are trying to help me. I am gathering my answers to >you in this message. > > >I have had this stutters since I installed GPL. Haven't seen the previous posts, but is this stutter just in GPL or other games too. Are you using a V5? If you are then turn off FSAA and see if it goes away.

I have always heard bad shit about V-synch. No video guru myself, but what happens when you try it with v-synch off. -- ============================ elh4jj at hotmail <------------------ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Klaus) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > >GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times > >per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners > >it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem. > > Hi, > > thanks to all who are trying to help me. I am gathering my answers to > you in this message. > > > I have had this stutters since I installed GPL. > > I have defragmented my harddrive, I have used scandisk now and there > is no IRQ conflict, every card has its own IRQ. It is not an obvious > performance problem because the problem appears with all textures off > and me alone on the track driving with arcade view, too. Maybe it is a > problem of timing between the hardware components. > > > I have tested different screen refresh rates now (72, 75, 85, 100Hz) > while I have been driving with no AI, 800x600 resolution and all > textures on and I have found a solution for me. Not as good as I would > wish but GPL runs better than before: > > 72 Hz: NO stutters (maybe because of GPL's maxed framerate of 36.x?) > but bad tearing visible > 75 Hz: Worst stutters, tearing visible (the refreshrate that I had > used for GPL before this test.) > 85 Hz: Stutters less visible, tearing visible > 100 Hz: Stutters almost not visible, tearing still visible (but > tearing effect is less visible at higher refreshrates). > > I am using 100 Hz now because of the less visible tearing but is it > possible to avoid tearing in GPL? I enabled v-sync for Glide and for > D3D in the Display settings but although it works with other games GPL > seems to override this setting. Is this true or is there a way to > force GPL to let v-sync enabled? > > > Klaus

"Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have had this stutters since I installed GPL. I have a V3 3000 also (with P3-600) and I was also getting similar stuttering, but I saw this at the Legends Central GPL forum (can't remeber who wrote it, I just copy/pasted it to a text file...): ================== These settings go into the GPL\core.ini file. disable_modem = 1 ; Prevent GPL from looking for modem. Speeds up startup and prevents problems. Disable unless you want to play by direct modem-to-modem. disable_network = 1 ; Disable network support. If you will never run GPL on your local area network / home network this can be set to disabled. disable_tcp_ip = 0 ; Disable TCP/IP support. To play over the internet on VROC servers using TCP/IP this should not be disabled. disable_ipx = 1 ; Disable IPX protocol? Most people do not use the IPX protocol any longer and use TCP/IP, you should set this to disabled. ================== The disable_modem option is supposed to be the one causing some stuttering, and disabling it reduced the stuttering for me... BTW, 0 = false and 1 = true... - Igor -

I have a friend who has a AMD 1.33 w/ an Ultra that seems to do this in certain games. Motocross Madness2, Microcrap Train Sim., Leadfoot, and a few more. He still hasnt gotten rid of it, and has tried everything and more in this post. Ive used all of his games.. And on my P4 w/ same vid card etc. I dont get any stuttering. THe frustrating thing about it for my friend is that all the fps meters read very high excellent frame rates.. but this chugging every 2 secs. sucks. I feel bad for him and am always on the lookout. Have not tried GPL on his machine but I'm very curious now. BTW Nascar4 runs perfect on his system no stuttering. Charlie Jussi 'Igor' Koukku <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vNmV6.12193$[email hidden]...

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> "Klaus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have had this stutters since I installed GPL. > > I have a V3 3000 also (with P3-600) and I was also getting similar > stuttering, but I saw this at the Legends Central GPL forum (can't remeber > who wrote it, I just copy/pasted it to a text file...): > > ================== > These settings go into the GPL\core.ini file. > > disable_modem = 1 ; Prevent GPL from looking for modem. Speeds up startup > and prevents problems. Disable unless you want to play by direct > modem-to-modem. > > disable_network = 1 ; Disable network support. If you will never run GPL

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> your local area network / home network this can be set to disabled. > > disable_tcp_ip = 0 ; Disable TCP/IP support. To play over the internet on > VROC servers using TCP/IP this should not be disabled. > > disable_ipx = 1 ; Disable IPX protocol? Most people do not use the IPX > protocol any longer and use TCP/IP, you should set this to disabled. > ================== > > The disable_modem option is supposed to be the one causing some

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> and disabling it reduced the stuttering for me... BTW, 0 = false and 1 = > true... > > - Igor - > > >

"Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3b25bdb1$[email hidden]>... > I have always heard bad shit about V-synch. No video guru myself, but what > happens when you try it with v-synch off. There is no difference. Klaus

#141520 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Haven't seen the previous posts, but is this stutter just in GPL or > other games too. Are you using a V5? If you are then turn off FSAA and > see if it goes away. I am using a Voodoo3 3000. Klaus

"Jussi 'Igor' Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<vNmV6.12193$[email hidden]>...

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> I have a V3 3000 also (with P3-600) and I was also getting similar > stuttering, but I saw this at the Legends Central GPL forum (can't remeber > who wrote it, I just copy/pasted it to a text file...): > > ================== > These settings go into the GPL\core.ini file. > > disable_modem = 1 ; Prevent GPL from looking for modem. Speeds up startup > and prevents problems. Disable unless you want to play by direct > modem-to-modem. > > disable_network = 1 ; Disable network support. If you will never run GPL on > your local area network / home network this can be set to disabled. > > disable_tcp_ip = 0 ; Disable TCP/IP support. To play over the internet on > VROC servers using TCP/IP this should not be disabled. > > disable_ipx = 1 ; Disable IPX protocol? Most people do not use the IPX > protocol any longer and use TCP/IP, you should set this to disabled. > ==================

These settings didn't help. Thanks, Klaus

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> My Hardware: > FIC SD11 > Athlon Slot A 600MHz > 128 MB > Soundblaster 128 PCI CT4810 (Ensoniq Chip) > Voodoo3 3000 > Windows 98 SE

The quest continues.... I tested GPL without ISDN adapter and soundcard and nothing was different, only no stutters at 72 Hz. There is also no difference when using D3D. I have a similar stutter problem with NASCAR4. The stutters appear only when racing online and with a game's framerate higher than 60. With my hardware this only occurs during qualify or when no other cars and no trackside objects are around me (turns in Daytona or Talladega for example). They occur with the same(!) frequency as in GPL but are much more visible and therefore very disturbing. A solution is to lock the framerate at 37 which is done with an entry in the core.ini file. Because of my tests with GPL I have tried out NASCAR4 online with no locked framerate and the "magic" refresh rate of 72 Hz and guess what? The stutters have nearly disappeared. It seems like there is some timing problem when using other screen refresh rates than 72 Hz on my computer. (Maybe only with Papy games?) Klaus

"Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9g18j3$be08$[email hidden]>... > You have a very similar system to mine. Can you tell me the difference and which screen refresh rate are you using with GPL?

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>1) Install GSmiley's glide wrapper. >http://home.swbell.net/gmsmiley/ >and use the MirrorUpdate = 2 option in the .ini file. This gives >4fps more at race starts. >2) In GPL graphics option page put mirrors at CarsOnly and turn off >most of the mirror options. You should be able to leave trackside >objects at full, but put detail slider at about 1/2. >3) Overclock the voodoo3.

Didn't help with the stutters but nevertheless the glide wrapper is a useful utility, thank you for the URL. I made a Monaco start from the last starting position with 180 Mhz and the higher frequency gave me only one to two more fps with 800 x 600. At higher resloutions the improvement might be better but I am using 800 x 600 with all of my 3d games. I will keep the 166 MHz. I am quite happy with my V3 at the moment and I am not willing to court disaster. ;-) Klaus

Try the V3 1.04 drivers (1.07 are the latest ones). In my machine anything newer or older results in slight stutter too. JensSchumi On 10 Jun 2001 08:33:01 -0700, [email hidden] (Klaus) wrote: >Hi! > >GPL is stuttering (not very much just a little bit) for about 3 times >per second. I hardly see it when driving straight but in slow corners >it is quite annoying. Other games don't show this problem.<snip> -- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -12 Monsters of GPL: sub 200