OT - computer games and Villeneuve

I'm almost embarrassed to post this kind of tabloid stuff here, but the computer game connection was irresistible. GP3 maybe? :-) from http://www.montrealgazette.com/f1/010605/5112305.html "Australian singer/Playboy pin-up Danni Minogue hasn't been seen strolling the paddocks since she split up with Iberville native Jacques Villeneuve, reportedly because their respective careers kept them apart. Minogue also complained about the amount of time Villeneuve spent playing games on his computer instead of with her. "Once I get into something I really enjoy, the focus becomes so intense it's as if nothing else exists," Villeneuve told Formula 1 Magazine. "On my computer, reading a book, listening to music, playing music, whatever - I can spend hours just sitting there." Unfortunately, so did Minogue."

She can stroll over my place anytime..YummmmmY :o)~ "Gault" wrote: | "Australian singer/Playboy pin-up Danni Minogue hasn't been seen strolling | the paddocks since she split up with Iberville native Jacques Villeneuve, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

LOL! I'd certainly keep her interested... On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:19:00 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>She can stroll over my place anytime..YummmmmY :o)~ > >"Gault" wrote: >| "Australian singer/Playboy pin-up Danni Minogue hasn't been seen strolling >| the paddocks since she split up with Iberville native Jacques Villeneuve, > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >

Yep, while I play with the wheel she can play with the shifter.... "Thom j." <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: o0mV6.11271$[email hidden]... > She can stroll over my place anytime..YummmmmY :o)~ > > "Gault" wrote: > | "Australian singer/Playboy pin-up Danni Minogue hasn't been seenstrolling > | the paddocks since she split up with Iberville native JacquesVilleneuve,

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> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > > >

His car slid by me in pieces on Friday. Maybe he should focus on driving the car he's paid to drive. His performance of late has been less than inspiring. http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv1.jpg http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv2.jpg ******************************** Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] www.cushdrive.com www.luftwaffe-experten.com " Ah, the Luftwaffe.. the Washington Generals of the History Channel.." Homer Simpson ********************************

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> > "On my computer, reading a book, listening to music, playing music, > whatever - I can spend hours just sitting there." > > Unfortunately, so did Minogue." > > >

That bald patch on his head is certainly growing :) On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:39:31 GMT, "Dave Pawlikowski" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>His car slid by me in pieces on Friday. Maybe he should focus on driving the >car he's paid to drive. His performance of late has been less than >inspiring. > >http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv1.jpg > >http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv2.jpg > >******************************** >Dave Pawlikowski >[email hidden] >www.cushdrive.com >www.luftwaffe-experten.com >" Ah, the Luftwaffe.. the Washington >Generals of the History Channel.." > Homer Simpson >******************************** > > >> "On my computer, reading a book, listening to music, playing music, >> whatever - I can spend hours just sitting there." >> >> Unfortunately, so did Minogue." >> >> >> >

If Montoya would learn how to drive the car he's paid to drive, Villeneuve wouldn't have visited you. David G Fisher "Dave Pawlikowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:74oV6.1224$%[email hidden]... > His car slid by me in pieces on Friday. Maybe he should focus on drivingthe

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> car he's paid to drive. His performance of late has been less than > inspiring. > > http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv1.jpg > > http://www.cushdrive.com/F1/jv2.jpg > > ******************************** > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > www.luftwaffe-experten.com > " Ah, the Luftwaffe.. the Washington > Generals of the History Channel.." > Homer Simpson > ******************************** > > > > "On my computer, reading a book, listening to music, playing music, > > whatever - I can spend hours just sitting there." > > > > Unfortunately, so did Minogue." > > > > > > > >

>"Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm almost embarrassed to post this kind of tabloid stuff here, but the > computer game connection was irresistible. GP3 maybe? :-) No, Everquest. It's no tabloid, it's been posted about 4months ago here. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

The accident happened two laps after JV and Montoya tangled. It is still speculation as to what if anything Montoya did to JV's car. Reportedly, they just bumped. JV was alone and lost the rear when he slammed the wall. ******************************** Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] www.cushdrive.com www.luftwaffe-experten.com " Ah, the Luftwaffe.. the Washington Generals of the History Channel.." Homer Simpson ******************************** " > If Montoya would learn how to drive the car he's paid to drive, Villeneuve > wouldn't have visited you. > > David G Fisher > > > "

>"Dave Pawlikowski" <[email hidden]> wrote > His car slid by me in pieces on Friday. Maybe he should focus on drivingthe > car he's paid to drive. His performance of late has been less than > inspiring. Yeah, lmao a PODIUM with a bloody slow B.A.R lately. And you can thank Mr. Montoya for that crash you saw. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Dave Pawlikowski wrote: > The accident happened two laps after JV and Montoya tangled. It is still > speculation as to what if anything Montoya did to JV's car. Reportedly, they > just bumped. > > JV was alone and lost the rear when he slammed the wall. They showed this incident from Friday's practice on Speedvision. It looked like Jacques brake tested Montoya - he dramatically slowed on the exit of a turn. Montoya tapped him, but it was very light, highly unlikely that it caused the later off by Villeneuve. Villeneuve was upset about Montoya getting in his way earlier in the session. Pretty unprofessional of Jacques, it seemed. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

>"Dave Pawlikowski" <[email hidden]> wrote > The accident happened two laps after JV and Montoya tangled. It is still > speculation as to what if anything Montoya did to JV's car. Reportedly,they > just bumped. ...Which evidently led to.... > JV was alone and lost the rear when he slammed the wall. You can't loose the car where he lost it. It's a straight braking zone, it has always been. Villeneuve said he had some weird braking problems after the incident with himself and Montoya, and was going into the pits on the next lap. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>If Montoya would learn how to drive the car he's paid to drive, Villeneuve >wouldn't have visited you. You'd better give him a call then, David. Judging by some of your comments on F1RC, you're a much better driver than anyone else :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

What I really think is that for a person to criticize the AI in a quality, modern F1 sim like F1RC or F12000CS, you must be able to drive the car at 99% of it's limit. 97% or even 98% isn't enough. At 98%, you would still be 2.5 seconds off the pace on a track with a 1:20 pole. With the incredible acceleration and deceleration of modern F1 cars, the necessity to hold a perfect line, and the necessity to continually lap within a few tenths lap after lap after lap on a road course (much easier on an oval) a person better be at 99% or better if they don't want to CAUSE accidents. Simple as that. When I started racing F12000CS or F1RC, and there were accidents, I had no problem admitting here at r.a.s. that I caused most of them after reviewing replays. Hardly something a person who thinks he's better than everyone else would admit. I've said before that I don't really mind that you can't have a full field multiplayer race in F1RC or F12000CS because I don't think it's even close to being possible to get 22 people together who could race modern F1's without there being crashes all over the place. That's not meant as an insult to anyone. David G Fisher "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >If Montoya would learn how to drive the car he's paid to drive,Villeneuve

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> >wouldn't have visited you. > > You'd better give him a call then, David. Judging by some of your > comments on F1RC, you're a much better driver than anyone else :-) > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

David G Fisher wrote... > I've said before that I don't really mind that you > can't have a full field multiplayer race in F1RC or > F12000CS because I don't think it's even close to > being possible to get 22 people together who could > race modern F1's without there being crashes all over > the place. That's not meant as an insult to anyone. There will always be more crashes than in a real life racing situation. An unfortunate consequence of the spread in ability and the (latency) conditions online racers face. Unavoidable. On the other hand no-one gets physically hurt, repairing the virtual machinery is free and there are no mega bucks at stake (although prestige and ego issues exist). You might find this hard to believe, but sometimes things click and very satisfying racing is had. Just recently I raced FV's with a small, quality field. Pro Long at Monza, grid covered by 1.5s and for the 1st eleven laps the top 7 stuck together and racing was as good as any non-professional, non-factory team racing I've ever seen. Then the inevitable happened... one driver made a small mistake. I was the following driver and didn't see it happening (literally... the game's prediction code showed the car following it's normal, expected trajectory) until the information finally reached me and I suddenly found myself "right on top of him". I did manage to slow a little, but still nudged the other car. Latency then set the collision detection off and both cars speared off the track, being destroyed in the proces. A 3rd driver behind had to resort to spinning in avoidance. Them's the breaks in online racing. After that the field fragmented into a number of one-on-one battles (as real races often do too) and that was that. Nobody walked away bittered by the experience however. Quite the contrary, we had all shared and exhilerating experience, regardless of whether we really are any good or not. And you know what?? -after "a million laps" we've got enough experience to make this sort of thing happen ever more often. The point is with the current crop of F1 sims doesn't even allow us to try. So as far as I'm concerned online code first, then FF, then changable weather and tyre wear and accurate tracks and then an offcial licence. I'm not really interested in racing an computer fascimile of famous driver X anymore. I race people I can not only put a name and a face, but also a personality to. People I can really pressure, or who, in return, will chuckle when I'm pushed into a mistake. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EeaW6.34440$[email hidden]...

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> There will always be more crashes than in a real life racing situation. An > unfortunate consequence of the spread in ability and the (latency) > conditions online racers face. Unavoidable. On the other hand no-one gets > physically hurt, repairing the virtual machinery is free and there are no > mega bucks at stake (although prestige and ego issues exist). > > You might find this hard to believe, but sometimes things click and very > satisfying racing is had.

I've had enough online races over the last four years to know what to expect from the online experience. Yes, satisfying racing can certainly be had under certain conditions. >Just recently I raced FV's with a small, quality > field. Pro Long at Monza, grid covered by 1.5s and for the 1st eleven laps > the top 7 stuck together and racing was as good as any non-professional, > non-factory team racing I've ever seen. Then the inevitable happened...one > driver made a small mistake. I was the following driver and didn't see it > happening (literally... the game's prediction code showed the carfollowing

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> it's normal, expected trajectory) until the information finally reached me > and I suddenly found myself "right on top of him". I did manage to slow a > little, but still nudged the other car. Latency then set the collision > detection off and both cars speared off the track, being destroyed in the > proces. A 3rd driver behind had to resort to spinning in avoidance. Them's > the breaks in online racing. After that the field fragmented into a number > of one-on-one battles (as real races often do too) and that was that.

Nobody > walked away bittered by the experience however. Quite the contrary, we had > all shared and exhilerating experience, regardless of whether we reallyare > any good or not. And you know what?? -after "a million laps" we've got > enough experience to make this sort of thing happen ever more often. Even with a perfect, error free connection, I don't see any way that a full field of drivers in a modern F1 sim will work. In slower cars like in GPL or sports cars, yes. To a degree. > The point is with the current crop of F1 sims doesn't even allow us totry. The FIA squashed the full field racing option, but there are still an awful lot of people racing F1RC online daily. Jason Murray is about to release a race finder program that will be something very special. David G Fisher

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EeaW6.34440$[email hidden]... ( snip ) > The point is with the current crop of F1 sims doesn't even allow us totry.

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> So as far as I'm concerned online code first, then FF, then changable > weather and tyre wear and accurate tracks and then an offcial licence. I'm > not really interested in racing an computer fascimile of famous driver X > anymore. I race people I can not only put a name and a face, but also a > personality to. People I can really pressure, or who, in return, will > chuckle when I'm pushed into a mistake. > > Jan. > =--- >

I completely agree with you on your list of priorities. Personally I've often had a huge laugh over your mistakes :) See you in the Commisioners Cup. Your former Cooper teammate Dave_Erb

In article <7VaW6.98054$[email hidden]>, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I completely agree with you on your list of priorities. Personally I've >often had a huge laugh over your mistakes :) See you in the Commisioners >Cup. > >Your former Cooper teammate >Dave_Erb >

Ooh...how quickly they turn...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <oh9W6.15015$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >What I really think is that for a person to criticize the AI in a quality, >modern F1 sim like F1RC or F12000CS, you must be able to drive the car at >99% of it's limit. 97% or even 98% isn't enough. At 98%, you would still be >2.5 seconds off the pace on a track with a 1:20 pole.[snip] This assumes that the AI is at 100% of the limit. They may NOT be... > >I've said before that I don't really mind that you can't have a full field >multiplayer race in F1RC or F12000CS because I don't think it's even close >to being possible to get 22 people together who could race modern F1's >without there being crashes all over the place. That's not meant as an >insult to anyone. I'll agree with that, in theory. It's DIFFICULT to get 22 drivers who can run without crashes all over the place, whether it's N4, GPL, GP3, whatever. It's not impossible - I've been in a few races(even GP-length) where the incidents were few, and only involved single cars. I was in an N3 race at Talladega that had a 16 or so car draft for 40 laps, nose to tail, with no problems, and only 1 or 2 incidents TOTAL in a 94-lap race. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I was in an N3 race at Talladega that > had a 16 or so car draft for 40 laps, nose to tail, with no problems, andonly > 1 or 2 incidents TOTAL in a 94-lap race. Yes, but that is NASCAR, not modern F1. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <oh9W6.15015$[email hidden]>, "David GFisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >What I really think is that for a person to criticize the AI in aquality, > >modern F1 sim like F1RC or F12000CS, you must be able to drive the car at > >99% of it's limit. 97% or even 98% isn't enough. At 98%, you would stillbe > >2.5 seconds off the pace on a track with a 1:20 pole. > [snip] > This assumes that the AI is at 100% of the limit. They may NOT be... > > > > >I've said before that I don't really mind that you can't have a fullfield > >multiplayer race in F1RC or F12000CS because I don't think it's evenclose > >to being possible to get 22 people together who could race modern F1's > >without there being crashes all over the place. That's not meant as an > >insult to anyone. > > I'll agree with that, in theory. It's DIFFICULT to get 22 drivers who canrun > without crashes all over the place, whether it's N4, GPL, GP3, whatever.It's > not impossible - I've been in a few races(even GP-length) where theincidents > were few, and only involved single cars. I was in an N3 race at Talladegathat > had a 16 or so car draft for 40 laps, nose to tail, with no problems, andonly

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> 1 or 2 incidents TOTAL in a 94-lap race. > > Eldred > > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL... You must have, I made plenty trying to make that Cooper go as fast as you made it go. BTW: what's your secret for the Esses at Kyalami? -You're killing me there! Jan. =--- David Erb wrote...

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> I completely agree with you on your list of priorities. > Personally I've often had a huge laugh over your mistakes :) > See you in the Commisioners Cup. > > Your former Cooper teammate > Dave_Erb > > > >

In article <XzdW6.15584$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> >>I was in an N3 race at Talladega that >> had a 16 or so car draft for 40 laps, nose to tail, with no problems, and >only >> 1 or 2 incidents TOTAL in a 94-lap race. > >Yes, but that is NASCAR, not modern F1.

I was just giving you an example from a couple of sims where you CAN have that many cars in the race. That's all you can do, if the sim you run DOESN'T have that capability. In this case we HAVE to compare apples and oranges. Come on, David - work with me here... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LMAO!!!