Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies.
Amazing......
Marc.
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Marc Collins reported an updated GPL Direct3D patch (1.0.0.1) on Papyrus's site that fixed the wrong flag colors, added GeForce 3 support and anisotropic filtering, and cured the distorted trees and vanishing fences; users with GeForce and Radeon cards reported much better image quality, though some menu items failed to display. The thread then turned into a long argument with David G Fisher over GPL devotees, F1RC and F1 TV viewing figures.
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"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies.
: Amazing......
:
Crap... I was just going to bed... time for a few laps I guess :-)
Dale.
"Marc Collins" wrote...
> Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies.
> Amazing......
>
> Marc.Where's that then? No announcement on the news page at www.papy.com and the
gpl_d3d.exe download is the old one.
--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.54
"On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.
I am not sure about the executable patch file itself (I will try it after
work, we are in the morning on this side of the pond - so we just get to
download first for a change, he he), but indeed the readme at papy's site
says:
Updated for this version
------------------------
Fixed the incorrect flagger color bug, and improved visual image quality:
anisotropic filtering can be enabled if your graphics card and drivers
support it for a very nice improvement at no framerate hit, and the
rendering of transparent images is improved at a small framerate cost, if
you choose to use this, no more moth eaten trees or fences.
It also mentions the Geforce3 as supported card.
Have fun,
Xavier.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:49:25 +0100, "Tony Whitley"
<[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote:
Here's the url: www.papy.com/downloads/gpl_d3d.exe
Read the readme carefully, you have to adjust your core.ini, some new
options must be added. Everything works perfect, even the anstropic
filtering (or whatever it's called :) works great!
But unfortunately the menu-flickering problem remains.
More info about the patch can be found here:
http://www.simracingmag.com/
A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :)
Andre
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> >"Marc Collins" wrote... >> Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies. >> Amazing...... >> >> Marc. >Where's that then? No announcement on the news page at www.papy.com and the >gpl_d3d.exe download is the old one.
"Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote in message
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: Where's that then? No announcement on the news page at www.papy.com and
the
: gpl_d3d.exe download is the old one.
:
Downloading and comparing I see this one is 1.0.0.1 and the previous one was
1.0.0.0
Same filename though but also slightly different file sizes.
Dale.
In particular it adds Anisotropic filtering support which fixes the burry
textures, so you can now get anisotropic filtering without needing 12.xx
drivers and a registry hack (I now have anisotropic filtering working with
6.50), and it fixes the ugly trees / vanishing fences problem.
GPL is now back looking how it used to with Glide on a 3dfx card :)
Many thanks to Papy and Grant Reeve (I presume) for another excellent
update.
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p.s. After download check the file is 287 K (and not 251 K) since if your
ISP has a webcache you may get the old file.
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"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies.
> Amazing......
>
> Marc.
How do you assign options to your wheel and change the linear settings and
etc when they don't show up in the menus????
Sometime they do if you move the mouse over them but some of them never show
up.
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> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:49:25 +0100, "Tony Whitley"
> <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Marc Collins" wrote...
> >> Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of othergoodies.
> >> Amazing......
> >>
> >> Marc.
> >Where's that then? No announcement on the news page at www.papy.com andthe
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> >gpl_d3d.exe download is the old one. > > Here's the url: www.papy.com/downloads/gpl_d3d.exe > Read the readme carefully, you have to adjust your core.ini, some new > options must be added. Everything works perfect, even the anstropic > filtering (or whatever it's called :) works great! > But unfortunately the menu-flickering problem remains. > > More info about the patch can be found here: > http://www.simracingmag.com/ > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > Andre >everyone that noticed an image degradation going from a V3 to a
geforce series card needs this new patch - on default core.ini
settings it is so much better
"Simon Brown" wrote...
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> ~~~
> p.s. After download check the file is 287 K (and not 251 K) since if your
> ISP has a webcache you may get the old file.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~Ah, that's what must have happened to me when I first downloaded it last
night. Ain't computers wunnerful?
--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.54
"On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.
Also works very well with the radeon vivo. I am now running at 1600 x 1200
and everything is gorgeous, also no slowdown with 5 cars at beginning of
race. Cars in Mirrors are incredible. It just keeps getting better. Thanks
Papy!!!!
Kruger
celeron 600@900
Radeon 64 vivo
asus cusl2-c
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> Fixes the flag bug, adds support for GeForce 3 and lots of other goodies. > Amazing...... > > Marc. > > -- >Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear F1RC
forums.
I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddest I
know . . .
cheerio! (and moooooo)
David K
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>
> A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :)
>
> Andre
>
Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleader from
r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why
don't you post the "blast"?
David G Fisher
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> Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear F1RC > forums. > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddest I > know . . . > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > David K > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > [snip] > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > Andre > > > >Say: Good night David! "Good night David!" :o)~
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleader from
| r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why
| don't you post the "blast"?
| David G Fisher
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BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
planted in-cheek this time.
David G Fisher
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> Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleader from > r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why > don't you post the "blast"? > > David G Fisher > > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9g92lq$c40$[email hidden]... > > Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear F1RC > > forums. > > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddest I > > know . . . > > > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > > David K > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > [snip] > > > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > >Say: Good night again David! "Good night again David!" :o)~
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
| at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
| of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
| planted in-cheek this time.
| David G Fisher
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> Say: Good night again David! "Good night again David!" :o)~
>
> "David G Fisher" wrote:
> | BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of peoplehere
> | at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positivelyone
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> My copy of GPL isn't ready to go to bed yet.
>
> David G Fisher
Still using it as Viagra Dave? :-p
--
Fester
Dave, you need to relax. You used to be easy going - then RC fell on its
ass and ever since you've had a chip on your shoulder. When WSC comes out
maybe we can all agree about something again...
--David Cook
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> > > forums.
> > > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddestI
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > planted in-cheek this time. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LVUV6.13512$[email hidden]... > > Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleaderQuoted text (8 lines)
> > r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why > > don't you post the "blast"? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9g92lq$c40$[email hidden]... > > > Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High GearQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > know . . . > > > > > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > > > David K > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did RC fall on it's ass??
David, the other David has fooled you, unfortunately. He refers to me
"blasting" the Papy "fix". If you read the thread at the HG forums, my
"blast" (you know, where I was a real meanie) illicited a grand total of
eight smiley faces in response. There wasn't the least bit of hostility
towards me, nor me towards them (two smiley faces by me).
The smiley face count, and it's importance, cannot be disputed by any man.
It was all roses.
David G Fisher
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> > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positivelyone
Why
oddest
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> Dave, you need to relax. You used to be easy going - then RC fell on its > ass and ever since you've had a chip on your shoulder. When WSC comes out > maybe we can all agree about something again... > > --David Cook > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:f_UV6.13536$[email hidden]... > > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of peopleQuoted text (10 lines)
> > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > > planted in-cheek this time. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:LVUV6.13512$[email hidden]... > > > Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleader > from > > > r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims?Quoted text (10 lines)
> > > don't you post the "blast"? > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:9g92lq$c40$[email hidden]... > > > > Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear > F1RC > > > > forums. > > > > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of theQuoted text (21 lines)
> I > > > > know . . . > > > > > > > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > > > > David K > > > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >everyone that noticed an image degradation going from a V3 to a
geforce series card needs this new patch - even on default core.ini
settings it is so much better
[email hidden] (David G Fisher) wrote:
> this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
> at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively
> one of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen.
Anyone know where you can get a broken trollometer fixed? Mine's just gone
crazy again.
Andrew McP
PS Hobbies are, by their very nature, odd. I think golf, football,
collecting stamps, and whining about GPL are all totally weird ways to
spend time. But that's people for you. Each of us is a uniquely insane
individual. The day all our insanities merge will be really sad.
Ian Greenwood wrote:
>
> everyone that noticed an image degradation going from a V3 to a
> geforce series card needs this new patch - on default core.ini
> settings it is so much better
Exactly. It looks like the Glide version now in D3D.
-Gregor
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| Did RC fall on it's ass??
Yes. Its not playable online, which would be ok if the AI wasnt COMPLETELY
stupid. I really wanted it to be good, but it just isn't. The AI seems to
be especially stupid when you are on a good qualifying lap and they insist
on stopping right in front of you on the racing line, or when they brake
about a mile too late for the last chicane at suzuka and send me flying in
to orbit managing to land on the ferris wheel ;). Ok ok, maybe i exaggerate
a bit.
Ash
Explain the difference between GPL players sticking one particular shiny CD
into their CD drive and turning a dumb steering wheel for several hours and
what you do with F1RC?
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
> at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
> of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
> planted in-cheek this time.
>
> David G Fisher
Plus there are comfortably more people here playing GPL than F1RC.
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
> at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
> of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
> planted in-cheek this time.
>
> David G Fisher
>"David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear F1RC
> forums.
I took a peak at that forum, and it's quite anti-F1RC, with numerous people
posting threads each day like "F1RC is now in my recycle bin!!".
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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Did RC fall on it's ass??
Yes it did.
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>"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Yes. Its not playable online, which would be ok if the AI wasntCOMPLETELY
> stupid. I really wanted it to be good, but it just isn't. The AI seemsto
> be especially stupid when you are on a good qualifying lap and they insist
> on stopping right in front of you on the racing line, or when they brake
> about a mile too late for the last chicane at suzuka and send me flying in
> to orbit managing to land on the ferris wheel ;). Ok ok, maybe iexaggerate
> a bit.
I think that David L. Cook was more talking about "Rally Championship" when
stating the term RC. Anyway, the sentence "RC fell on its ass" can be
applied to both situations ;-)
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>"Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote > [email hidden] (David G Fisher) wrote: > > > this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here > > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively > > one of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. > > Anyone know where you can get a broken trollometer fixed? Mine's just gone > crazy again.>"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Plus there are comfortably more people here playing GPL than F1RC.
Let's also note that F1RC did very poor sales on the PC platform. Worse then
GP3, much worse.
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>BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
>at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
>of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen.
Show us one person, aside from yourself, who has ever spoken about GPL
that way.
--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash
Oh, just get over it David.
Marty
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > planted in-cheek this time. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LVUV6.13512$[email hidden]... > > Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleader from > > r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why > > don't you post the "blast"? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9g92lq$c40$[email hidden]... > > > Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High Gear F1RC > > > forums. > > > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddest I > > > know . . . > > > > > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > > > David K > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > >(Sorry for going on, but when a target present itself so obviously....)
So you judge things on their age do you, and not by their quality? If GPL
is poor simply because it's 3 years old, this must make the Spice Girls a
heck of a lot better than Mozart by your reasonning.
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > planted in-cheek this time. > > David G Fisher >Nice reach.
You're comparing GPL to Mozart? You'd rather have a copy of GPL instead of
the Spice Girls?
Thank you. You made my point.
David G Fisher
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> > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positivelyone
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> (Sorry for going on, but when a target present itself so obviously....) > > So you judge things on their age do you, and not by their quality? If GPL > is poor simply because it's 3 years old, this must make the Spice Girls a > heck of a lot better than Mozart by your reasonning. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:f_UV6.13536$[email hidden]... > > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of peopleQuoted text (8 lines)
> > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > > planted in-cheek this time. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > >Appears to be a little more than a handful. Seriously, if that many still
believe GPL to be the best for them, then it must be right?
Understand, I'm not a big GPL racer, actually only race it occasionally. But
there sure is something to be said for it's faithful following.
Don Burnette
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> > > forums.
> > > I suppose we all have our hobbies. but DGF's must be one of the oddestI
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > planted in-cheek this time. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LVUV6.13512$[email hidden]... > > Did I? You mean I responded to someone like <insert Papy cheerleaderQuoted text (8 lines)
> > r.a.s.> who has to talk about GPL in forums that are for other sims? Why > > don't you post the "blast"? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9g92lq$c40$[email hidden]... > > > Best thing is, DGF has already managed to blast it at the High GearQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > know . . . > > > > > > cheerio! (and moooooo) > > > David K > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > A well-deserved THANK YOU to Grant Reeve again :) > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > >David, I think you are generally taking things way too seriously lately, but
that was a good retort to a mixed metaphor!!!
Marc.
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> > is poor simply because it's 3 years old, this must make the Spice Girlsa
firmly
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> Nice reach. > > You're comparing GPL to Mozart? You'd rather have a copy of GPL instead of > the Spice Girls? > > Thank you. You made my point. > > David G Fisher > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zPaW6.13324$[email hidden]... > > (Sorry for going on, but when a target present itself so obviously....) > > > > So you judge things on their age do you, and not by their quality? IfQuoted text (9 lines)
> > heck of a lot better than Mozart by your reasonning. > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:f_UV6.13536$[email hidden]... > > > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people > here > > > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively > one > > > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOTQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > planted in-cheek this time. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > >I keep hearing I'm not serious enough, then, a guy who started a thread the
other day called, "Where the hell is the F1RC patch?...seriously!" tells me
I'm too serious.
I give up. :-)
David G Fisher
Where the
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> David, I think you are generally taking things way too seriously lately,but
of
obviously....)
> > >
> > > So you judge things on their age do you, and not by their quality? If
> GPL
> > > is poor simply because it's 3 years old, this must make the SpiceGirls
> a
> > > heck of a lot better than Mozart by your reasonning.
> > >
> > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful ofpeople
> > here
> > > > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely,positively
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> that was a good retort to a mixed metaphor!!! > > Marc. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:n7bW6.15475$[email hidden]... > > Nice reach. > > > > You're comparing GPL to Mozart? You'd rather have a copy of GPL insteadQuoted text (9 lines)
> > the Spice Girls? > > > > Thank you. You made my point. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zPaW6.13324$[email hidden]... > > > (Sorry for going on, but when a target present itself soQuoted text (14 lines)
> > one > > > > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT > firmly > > > > planted in-cheek this time. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Uh oh, he's giving up. This is SERIOUS!
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> I keep hearing I'm not serious enough, then, a guy who started a threadthe
> other day called, "Where the hell is the F1RC patch?...seriously!" tellsme
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> I'm too serious. > > I give up. :-) > > David G Fisher > > Where the > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RmfW6.59649$[email hidden]... > > David, I think you are generally taking things way too seriously lately, > but > > that was a good retort to a mixed metaphor!!!Phew!! Marty...Do you think he ever will? Not likely...
"Marty U'Ren" wrote:
| Oh, just get over it David.
| Marty
|
| David G Fisher wrote:
| > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of peoplehere
| > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positivelyone
| > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
| > planted in-cheek this time.
| >
| > David G Fisher
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OMG dont got here Simon!! DGF thinks Mozart plays for the 76ers!! haha
[You're setting urself up as a target way to easily now DGF! :-)..]
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| (Sorry for going on, but when a target present itself so obviously....)
|
| So you judge things on their age do you, and not by their quality? If GPL
| is poor simply because it's 3 years old, this must make the Spice Girls a
| heck of a lot better than Mozart by your reasonning.
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Seriously, Serious or not so Serious, Seriously? :-)
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| Uh oh, he's giving up. This is SERIOUS!
|
| "David G Fisher" wrote:
| > I give up. :-)
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You were claiming there was something wrong with playing GPL and the only
way you chose to back that statement up was by saying it was three years
old. Hence you were claiming F1RC is better than GPL just because it's
newer.
I never compared Mozart to GPL, I compared the Spice Girls to Mozart,
because the Spice Girls are newer, yet Mozart is obviously superior. Hence
your argument is invalid.
....but then you already knew what I meant. I presume you find pretending
to misunderstand me easier than backing up your previous statement.
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> Nice reach. > > You're comparing GPL to Mozart? You'd rather have a copy of GPL instead of > the Spice Girls? > > Thank you. You made my point. > > David G Fisher >Where's the mixed metaphor? The Spice Girls are newer than Mozart, but
worse. F1RC is newer than GPL, and worse. Is that hard to follow? DGF was
criticising GPL on the basis of being 3 years old, which is clearly no sane
basis for criticising anything.
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> David, I think you are generally taking things way too seriously lately,but
> that was a good retort to a mixed metaphor!!!
>
> Marc.
Just look at the number of posts here relating to F1RC, RC2000 and GPL. You
really think there's just a handful of people here playing GPL? GPL gets
over ten times the number of posts that F1RC and RC2000 get.
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of people here
> at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positively one
> of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly
> planted in-cheek this time.
>
> David G Fisher
There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they
changed), and GPL has only about 4,000.
There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few months.
Depends where you go. This is the GPL fan club headquarters. How many people
in this world do you really think are still playing GPL? It only sold 40,000
to begin with, and who knows how many of them were returned.
David G Fisher
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> Just look at the number of posts here relating to F1RC, RC2000 and GPL.You
> really think there's just a handful of people here playing GPL? GPL gets
> over ten times the number of posts that F1RC and RC2000 get.
>
> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:f_UV6.13536$[email hidden]...
> > BTW, this whole "GPL is my girlfriend" thing that a handful of peoplehere
> > at r.a.s. continue to live after three years is absolutely, positivelyone
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> > of the "oddest hobbies" I've ever seen. Tongue is definitely NOT firmly > > planted in-cheek this time. > > > > David G Fisher > > >Yea but DGF 12,999 were yours!! hahaha
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a fewmonths.
| David G Fisher<snipp'eds were done>
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LOL.
Don Burnette
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> Yea but DGF 12,999 were yours!! hahaha > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few > months. > | David G Fisher > <snipp'eds were done> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >In the past few years, I have less than two dozen posts.
So.............LOL.
DGF
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> LOL. > > Don Burnette > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bpRW6.18917$[email hidden]... > > Yea but DGF 12,999 were yours!! hahaha > > > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > | There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few > > months. > > | David G Fisher > > <snipp'eds were done> > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > > > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In the past few years, I have less than two dozen posts.
>
> So.............LOL.
So how come you prefer hanging about in GPL headquarters?
You've made more than two dozen posts here in the last couple of days....
........ or were you just counting the sensible ones? ;-)
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:34:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they
>changed), and GPL has only about 4,000.
>
>There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few months.
Not sure what the point is here, not really been following the thread
but not sure what the number of posts to a forum has got to do
with anything. Most RC posts in HG were problems prior to and
after the numerous patches that have been released to make this
game the mediocre product it is today. Most F1RC posts are moans
about "where is the patch" and the fact that they are all going to
have to buy F1RC2 in a few months.
The relatively few GPL posts are from guys who have finally
discovered that GPL really is the most fun you can have whilst
sitting down. Once they've proclaimed there allegiance they
are then too busy playing GPL to post to forums.
Maxx
"Feeling carp, with a headache and feeling like being a little
controversial"
David G Fisher wrote:
>
> There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they
> changed), and GPL has only about 4,000.
>
> There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few months.
Gee, let's think about this for a minute. It's most likely due to the
fact that these games have many more problems than GPL. Not to hard to
figure...
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Btw: where the "H" are these HG Forums? I never knew they existed
to be perectly honest..
| David G Fisher wrote:
| > HG forums (until they<snippe'd all over de place>
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Sure.
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> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:34:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they > >changed), and GPL has only about 4,000. > > > >There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a fewQuoted text (17 lines)
> > Not sure what the point is here, not really been following the thread > but not sure what the number of posts to a forum has got to do > with anything. Most RC posts in HG were problems prior to and > after the numerous patches that have been released to make this > game the mediocre product it is today. Most F1RC posts are moans > about "where is the patch" and the fact that they are all going to > have to buy F1RC2 in a few months. > > The relatively few GPL posts are from guys who have finally > discovered that GPL really is the most fun you can have whilst > sitting down. Once they've proclaimed there allegiance they > are then too busy playing GPL to post to forums. > > Maxx > "Feeling carp, with a headache and feeling like being a little > controversial"In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:34:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
<Snip>
> Maxx
> "Feeling carp, with a headache and feeling like being a little
> controversial"
>
So, your carp try to give you the old 'not tonight, I have a headache'
argument too?
;)
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There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for the sake
of the casual visitors. The other forums straighten themselves out fairly
quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led, especially by
a certain biased group of fanatics.
:-0
David G Fisher
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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HZRW6.18990$[email hidden]... > > In the past few years, I have less than two dozen posts. > > > > So.............LOL. > > So how come you prefer hanging about in GPL headquarters? > > You've made more than two dozen posts here in the last couple of days.... > > ........ or were you just counting the sensible ones? ;-) > > > >>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for the sake
> of the casual visitors.
DGF to the rescue!
> The other forums straighten themselves out fairly
> quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led, especiallyby
> a certain biased group of fanatics.
You mean, by you?
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Sure does appear that you have a "hell" of a lot more then
"two dozen posts" in just the past 2 weeks in r.a.s.! Odd?
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for the sake
| of the casual visitors. The other forums straighten themselves out fairly
| quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led, especiallyby
| a certain biased group of fanatics.
| :-0
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Ok. So what's your story then?
Is it a gripe against GPL, something you don't like about it or find
unrealistic, or is it that you feel GPL players don't give other games a
fair chance?
Just curious...
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for the sake
> of the casual visitors. The other forums straighten themselves out fairly
> quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led, especiallyby
> a certain biased group of fanatics.
>
> :-0
>
> David G Fisher
Nothing against GPL at all. It's an excellent sim.
Like many people, I find the comments by some GPL fans about other sims to
be ridiculous. By their comments, they are also criticizing the merits of
the people who play them.
David G Fisher
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sake
> > of the casual visitors. The other forums straighten themselves outfairly
> > quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led,especially
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> Ok. So what's your story then? > > Is it a gripe against GPL, something you don't like about it or find > unrealistic, or is it that you feel GPL players don't give other games a > fair chance? > > Just curious... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:d77X6.20165$[email hidden]... > > There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for theQuoted text (9 lines)
> by > > a certain biased group of fanatics. > > > > :-0 > > > > David G Fisher > > >Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's the really
strange aspect of the behavior.
David G Fisher
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> Nothing against GPL at all. It's an excellent sim. > > Like many people, I find the comments by some GPL fans about other sims to > be ridiculous. By their comments, they are also criticizing the merits of > the people who play them. > > David G Fisher > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:m89X6.31856$[email hidden]... > > Ok. So what's your story then? > > > > Is it a gripe against GPL, something you don't like about it or find > > unrealistic, or is it that you feel GPL players don't give other games a > > fair chance? > > > > Just curious... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:d77X6.20165$[email hidden]... > > > There's more MIS-information here that needs to be cleared up for the > sake > > > of the casual visitors. The other forums straighten themselves out > fairly > > > quickly. It's a shame when casual r.a.s. visitors are MIS-led, > especially > > by > > > a certain biased group of fanatics. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > >Wouldnt you admit then this is a plus for GPL then??
[Btw: I've said this before but I'll race any motor type racing!]
["Hell!" Strap some motors on a few frogs and I'm there :-)]
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's the really
| strange aspect of the behavior.
| David G Fisher
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> Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's the really
> strange aspect of the behavior.
You're right, it is strange. Most companies don't support their
products that long (Thanks, Papy!), not do they usually make the quality
high enough for such staying power. You've given the best tribute for
GPL!
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Hey kettle... you're doing the same thing with NASCAR, so don't be throwing
stones.
Jan./ metaphor overload, I know.<g>
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> Nothing against GPL at all. It's an excellent sim. > > Like many people, I find the comments by some GPL > fans about other sims to be ridiculous. By their > comments, they are also criticizing the merits of > the people who play them. > > David G FisherThe fact that it has been going on for 3 years now is a testament to GPL,
and the awesome sim that it is. Throw in the fact that Papy still supports
it, even if it is a couple guys working on it from home, makes it even more
incredible. I don't find this behaviour strange in the least.
Do you think F1RC will still get this kind of press and support 3 years down
the road? Or any other sim presently out for that matter?
Don Burnette
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> Wouldnt you admit then this is a plus for GPL then?? > [Btw: I've said this before but I'll race any motor type racing!] > ["Hell!" Strap some motors on a few frogs and I'm there :-)] > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's the really > | strange aspect of the behavior. > | David G Fisher > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<qpPW6.18584$[email hidden]>...
Actually, the GPL forum at High Gear Forums has about 14,000 posts
since it was created, as about 10,000 posts were deleted in a
technical glitch a few months back. Also, the GPL forum at HG is
relatively new (1 year old) versus the RC forum which has been around
a couple years. Given the same amount of time, the GPL forum would
probably have close to 30K posts, if not more.
I just dont want anyone to be misled by misinformation.
Brian McLeaney
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> There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they > changed), and GPL has only about 4,000. > > There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few months. > > Depends where you go. This is the GPL fan club headquarters. How many people > in this world do you really think are still playing GPL? It only sold 40,000 > to begin with, and who knows how many of them were returned. > > David G FisherMTM2 has been out for three years now, and the other night at 1:30 a.m.EST I
saw 100 people playing online at the Zone. There are over a thousand user
created tracks, and who knows how many trucks. Why? Is it better than GPL,
or are they simply both excellent titles without sequels?
Three years from now, F1RC won't be getting the same support because there
will be newer versions due to it's success (GPL failed and the MTM series
was ended when TRI and MS parted).
David G Fisher
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> The fact that it has been going on for 3 years now is a testament to GPL,
> and the awesome sim that it is. Throw in the fact that Papy still supports
> it, even if it is a couple guys working on it from home, makes it evenmore
> incredible. I don't find this behaviour strange in the least.
> Do you think F1RC will still get this kind of press and support 3 yearsdown
really
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> the road? Or any other sim presently out for that matter? > > > Don Burnette > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aR9X6.20721$[email hidden]... > > Wouldnt you admit then this is a plus for GPL then?? > > [Btw: I've said this before but I'll race any motor type racing!] > > ["Hell!" Strap some motors on a few frogs and I'm there :-)] > > > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > | Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's theQuoted text (13 lines)
> > | strange aspect of the behavior. > > | David G Fisher > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > > > > > > >Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract.
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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<qpPW6.18584$[email hidden]>...
> > There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they
> > changed), and GPL has only about 4,000.
> >
> > There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a fewmonths.
> >
> > Depends where you go. This is the GPL fan club headquarters. How manypeople
> > in this world do you really think are still playing GPL? It only sold40,000
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> > to begin with, and who knows how many of them were returned. > > > > David G Fisher > > Actually, the GPL forum at High Gear Forums has about 14,000 posts > since it was created, as about 10,000 posts were deleted in a > technical glitch a few months back. Also, the GPL forum at HG is > relatively new (1 year old) versus the RC forum which has been around > a couple years. Given the same amount of time, the GPL forum would > probably have close to 30K posts, if not more. > > I just dont want anyone to be misled by misinformation. > > Brian McLeaney>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> MTM2 has been out for three years now
Two years and a half.
> Why? Is it better than GPL,
> or are they simply both excellent titles without sequels?
It's a great arcade game, that's why.
> Three years from now, F1RC won't be getting the same support because there
> will be newer versions due to it's success (GPL failed and the MTM series
> was ended when TRI and MS parted).
GPL did not fail. If you think it failed, then F1RC also failed.
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It's been going on for three years because that's how long GPL has been at
the top. I haven't bought every racing game/sim in the last three years,
but the ones I have bought have offered little competition to GPL.
For instance - F1 2000 had poor graphics, a slow 3d engine and poor AI. GP3
had iffy physics and poor graphics. TOCA 2 had arcade physics. Rally
championship felt like the cars had no suspension. Rally masters had
dreadful controller setups, meaning it couldn't be played at all on my
wheel.
There were a few decent titles, GP 500, Superbike 2000, MBTR and Sports Car
GT were all solid 8/10 games, but when given the option of playing those
game and playing GPL, they don't get a look-in.
Basically, it all comes down to the sheer thrill of controlling the GPL
cars. The man against machine battle. Trying to put the 400 bhp down on
the track without losing the rear end, catching the spins, keeping cool
enough to avoid locking the brakes at a crucial point. And trying to do all
this better than everyone else on Vroc.
No other game can offer all this for me.
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> > be ridiculous. By their comments, they are also criticizing the meritsof
> > the people who play them.
> >
> > David G Fisher
> >
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> Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's the really > strange aspect of the behavior. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tv9X6.20626$[email hidden]... > > Nothing against GPL at all. It's an excellent sim. > > > > Like many people, I find the comments by some GPL fans about other sims>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Post proof or retract.
I wrote that sentence because on the Usenet, you WILL find your supposed
quote if you search a little. It's not related to the World Wide Web.
Everything ever posted about GPL in this newsgroup is archived.
> David G Fisher (secretly wants to be ymenard)
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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > MTM2 has been out for three years now
>
> Two years and a half.
Wrong............again.
I was beta testing MTM2 almost 3 years and 5 months ago. I know because I
have the MTM2beta 1 CD in front of me marked 2-3-98. It was released in the
early summer of 98. My track for it was completed in August '98.
David G Fisher
there
> > will be newer versions due to it's success (GPL failed and the MTMseries
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> > was ended when TRI and MS parted). > > GPL did not fail. If you think it failed, then F1RC also failed. > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >(This post is sort of in the wrong place because my newreader isn't showing
all posts)
How many posts there are on any particular forum doesn't prove anything.
LegendsCentral have boards for every type of racing game/sim yet their
modern F1 boards, or their N4 boards have virutally no posts, yet GPL has
18,000. That's because GPL players hang out at LegendsCentral, whereas
RC2000 players hang out at HG. r.a.s is not GPL fans headquaters, in fact
most GPL players I know have never heard of it.
Anyway popularity is an extremely poor guide to quality or worth. The worst
albums sell the best, the worst programs on tv get the most viewers, the
worst films gross the most money. Popularity just proves how many idiots we
share this rock with.
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> Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract.
>
> David G Fisher (secretly wants to be ymenard)
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> (This post is sort of in the wrong place because my newreader isn'tshowing
HG is not a single game specific web site like Legends Central, yet RC2000
and F1RC have a huge amount of posts compared to other games (GP3,
F12000/CS, N4, GPL).
I was trying to remember how this topic started, and it was your post which
said, "Just look at the number of posts here relating to F1RC, RC2000 and
GPL. You
really think there's just a handful of people here playing GPL? GPL gets
over ten times the number of posts that F1RC and RC2000 get."
I simply pointed out that it depends on the forum (just like your Legends
Central point). If "How many posts there are on any particular forum doesn't
prove anything", then why did you make the comment in the previous
paragraph? :-)
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> all posts) > > How many posts there are on any particular forum doesn't prove anything. > LegendsCentral have boards for every type of racing game/sim yet their > modern F1 boards, or their N4 boards have virutally no posts, yet GPL has > 18,000. That's because GPL players hang out at LegendsCentral, whereas > RC2000 players hang out at HG. r.a.s is not GPL fans headquaters, in fact > most GPL players I know have never heard of it.Don I agree 100% and you have presented another poignant issue!
First many [more likely all as they aren't a huge group] who work for
Papy past, present & probably in the future do! go that extra mile to
take work apon themselves at home!
Am I a "Papy lover" as DGF eludes many are here? Not me! I have
many other sim titles from many other publishers! It would matter to
me if Black & Decker had their name on a title as long as its good!
Do I think Papy did a fantastic' thing by working on a patch for a 3
year old sim' to give it many more months and maybe years of play
time? Absolutely!!
[fwiw] The question seems to be: Is it about the heavy posting here
with GPL or someone having an "axe to grind " with those that do?
Odd!! Very Odd!! Thom_j.
"Don Burnette" wrote:
| The fact that it has been going on for 3 years now is a testament to GPL,
| and the awesome sim that it is. Throw in the fact that Papy still supports
| it, even if it is a couple guys working on it from home, makes it evenmore
| incredible. I don't find this behaviour strange in the least.
| Do you think F1RC will still get this kind of press and support 3 yearsdown
really
| > | strange aspect of the behavior.
| > | David G Fisher
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| the road? Or any other sim presently out for that matter? | | Don Burnette | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Wouldnt you admit then this is a plus for GPL then?? | > [Btw: I've said this before but I'll race any motor type racing!] | > ["Hell!" Strap some motors on a few frogs and I'm there :-)] | > | > "David G Fisher" wrote: | > | Forgot to add, it's been going on now for THREE years. That's theThanx for the correct information Brian!!
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| Actually, the GPL forum at High Gear Forums has about 14,000 posts | since it was created, as about 10,000 posts were deleted in a | technical glitch a few months back. Also, the GPL forum at HG is | relatively new (1 year old) versus the RC forum which has been around | a couple years. Given the same amount of time, the GPL forum would | probably have close to 30K posts, if not more. | | I just dont want anyone to be misled by misinformation. | | Brian McLeaneyMaybe if those Papy lovers would simply quit sticking their nose into
threads devoted to other sims to tell us how great their GPL girlfriend is
(in their annoying opinion), then you wouldn't ever have to hear a word of
complaint from me again. Even fans of N4 don't feel the need to do this.
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> Am I a "Papy lover" as DGF eludes many are here? Not me! I have > many other sim titles from many other publishers! It would matter to > me if Black & Decker had their name on a title as long as its good! > Do I think Papy did a fantastic' thing by working on a patch for a 3 > year old sim' to give it many more months and maybe years of play > time? Absolutely!! > [fwiw] The question seems to be: Is it about the heavy posting here > with GPL or someone having an "axe to grind " with those that do? > Odd!! Very Odd!! Thom_j.Btw!!! Per chance: Is that you Bubba??...lol
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Why is his information correct? Post proof or retract.
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> Thanx for the correct information Brian!! > > "Brian McLeaney" wrote: > | Actually, the GPL forum at High Gear Forums has about 14,000 posts > | since it was created, as about 10,000 posts were deleted in a > | technical glitch a few months back. Also, the GPL forum at HG is > | relatively new (1 year old) versus the RC forum which has been around > | a couple years. Given the same amount of time, the GPL forum would > | probably have close to 30K posts, if not more. > | > | I just dont want anyone to be misled by misinformation. > | > | Brian McLeaney > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >No DGF cuz MTM2 has "riotess" amount of fun!! Yes I do go online with
MTM2!! Love it for the shear rip'roarin' blast of it!! :-) No more, No less!
"David G Fisher" wrote:
| MTM2 has been out for three years now, and the other night at 1:30 a.m.ESTI
| saw 100 people playing online at the Zone. There are over a thousand user
| created tracks, and who knows how many trucks. Why? Is it better than GPL,
| or are they simply both excellent titles without sequels?
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I posted about this already & I will re-post if it is the same Brian
I think it is!! More to come eitherway! :-) Me...
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| Why is his information correct? Post proof or retract.
| David G Fisher
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> I was beta testing MTM2 almost 3 years and 5 months ago. I know because I
> have the MTM2beta 1 CD in front of me marked 2-3-98.
It was released in August of 1998. It's false to say 3 years, in my "Price
is Right" universe that's worth zero lol.
At least you agree with me that MTM2 is a great game because it's unique and
is a great arcade racing game. It has no relation with the success of a
serious racing simulation.
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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> HG is not a single game specific web site like Legends Central, yet RC2000
> and F1RC have a huge amount of posts compared to other games (GP3,
> F12000/CS, N4, GPL).
r.a.s. is not a single game specific newsgroup, yet GPL has a huge amount of
posts compared to other games.
What's the point you want to reach David? What's the deal?
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Oops, this is a Papy title thread .
Now be quiet you anti-Papy pig!!
:)
Don Burnette
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> Maybe if those Papy lovers would simply quit sticking their nose into > threads devoted to other sims to tell us how great their GPL girlfriend is > (in their annoying opinion), then you wouldn't ever have to hear a word of > complaint from me again. Even fans of N4 don't feel the need to do this. > > David G Fisher > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:T4eX6.22148$[email hidden]... > > Am I a "Papy lover" as DGF eludes many are here? Not me! I have > > many other sim titles from many other publishers! It would matter to > > me if Black & Decker had their name on a title as long as its good! > > Do I think Papy did a fantastic' thing by working on a patch for a 3 > > year old sim' to give it many more months and maybe years of play > > time? Absolutely!! > > [fwiw] The question seems to be: Is it about the heavy posting here > > with GPL or someone having an "axe to grind " with those that do? > > Odd!! Very Odd!! Thom_j. > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<XtaX6.20854$[email hidden]>...
No need for a retraction. :-)
See this thread:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16922
From K. Verburg:
"Unfortunately there seems to have been a corrupt message in the Grand
Prix Legends forum and this ment we had to delete the forum and all
its files. "
From poster:
"The old number of messages - about 9800 - should be added to the
current number of 36.
Otherwise we will ..."
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> Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract. > > David G Fisher (secretly wants to be ymenard) > > "Brian McLeaney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<qpPW6.18584$[email hidden]>... > > > There were almost 30,000 posts about RC2000 at the HG forums (until they > > > changed), and GPL has only about 4,000. > > > > > > There are 13,000 posts for F1RC there, and it's only been out a few > months. > > > > > > Depends where you go. This is the GPL fan club headquarters. How many > people > > > in this world do you really think are still playing GPL? It only sold > 40,000 > > > to begin with, and who knows how many of them were returned. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > Actually, the GPL forum at High Gear Forums has about 14,000 posts > > since it was created, as about 10,000 posts were deleted in a > > technical glitch a few months back. Also, the GPL forum at HG is > > relatively new (1 year old) versus the RC forum which has been around > > a couple years. Given the same amount of time, the GPL forum would > > probably have close to 30K posts, if not more. > > > > I just dont want anyone to be misled by misinformation. > > > > Brian McLeaneyYes, but six posts in, I was invited.
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> > (in their annoying opinion), then you wouldn't ever have to hear a wordof
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> Oops, this is a Papy title thread . > Now be quiet you anti-Papy pig!! > :) > Don Burnette > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iieX6.22165$[email hidden]... > > Maybe if those Papy lovers would simply quit sticking their nose into > > threads devoted to other sims to tell us how great their GPL girlfriendQuoted text (19 lines)
> > complaint from me again. Even fans of N4 don't feel the need to do this. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:T4eX6.22148$[email hidden]... > > > Am I a "Papy lover" as DGF eludes many are here? Not me! I have > > > many other sim titles from many other publishers! It would matter to > > > me if Black & Decker had their name on a title as long as its good! > > > Do I think Papy did a fantastic' thing by working on a patch for a 3 > > > year old sim' to give it many more months and maybe years of play > > > time? Absolutely!! > > > [fwiw] The question seems to be: Is it about the heavy posting here > > > with GPL or someone having an "axe to grind " with those that do? > > > Odd!! Very Odd!! Thom_j. > > > > > >Now Brian posted! Your turn DGF! Never under esimate Bubba!...lol
You are *way* over your head now kiddo!! :o)~
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| > Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract. | > | No need for a retraction. :-) | See this thread: | | http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16922 | | From K. Verburg: | "Unfortunately there seems to have been a corrupt message in the Grand | Prix Legends forum and this ment we had to delete the forum and all | its files. " | | From poster: | "The old number of messages - about 9800 - should be added to the | current number of 36. | Otherwise we will ..." | Brian McLeaneyIt's still lagging far behind F1RC. 4,000 in the last 4.5 months. Yes, it's
good for an older game, but like I pointed out with MTM2 (even bigger
community), it's not unheard of with no sequels available.
F1RC has 13,000 in 5.5 months (just 3 months since the release of the game).
Bet those numbers shoot up after the patch.
GP3 21,000 in 15 months.
F12000/CS 19,000 in 15 months.
F1RC is clearly the dominate F1 sim of today. Honor it and feel blessed.
David G Fisher
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> Now Brian posted! Your turn DGF! Never under esimate Bubba!...lol > You are *way* over your head now kiddo!! :o)~ > de Thom_j. aka Tee_jay -.. . -. ..--- .-. .. ..-. --... ...-- > > "Brian McLeaney" wrote: > | > Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract. > | > > > | No need for a retraction. :-) > | See this thread: > | > | http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16922 > | > | From K. Verburg: > | "Unfortunately there seems to have been a corrupt message in the Grand > | Prix Legends forum and this ment we had to delete the forum and all > | its files. " > | > | From poster: > | "The old number of messages - about 9800 - should be added to the > | current number of 36. > | Otherwise we will ..." > | Brian McLeaney > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >Where is your post? You demanded a proof post. You got it & you just
ignore what was asked of you!! Dont want excuses just post or retract!!
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What was asked of me? He proved the total was 14,000. If you are referring
to the comment from the Papy employee about ff, how the he** do I find that
from over two years ago?
The guy said what he said. If I knew it meant so much to so few, I would
have kept the comments and framed them for sale.
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> Where is your post? You demanded a proof post. You got it & you just > ignore what was asked of you!! Dont want excuses just post or retract!! > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | > Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv
viewers per race?
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> Where is your post? You demanded a proof post. You got it & you just > ignore what was asked of you!! Dont want excuses just post or retract!! > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | > Are you 100% sure? Post proof or retract. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >I think you'll find this topic was started when you claimed the number of
people on r.a.s who play GPL was a 'handful'.
HG is not a serious simulator site, it has a heavy bias towards arcade
games, hence I don't use it. I don't need to mention their 'Is r.a.s. still
a valid newsgroup' article.
I'll conceed the point that numbers prove nothing though, including your
'handful'.
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>
> HG is not a single game specific web site like Legends Central, yet RC2000
> and F1RC have a huge amount of posts compared to other games (GP3,
> F12000/CS, N4, GPL).
>
> I was trying to remember how this topic started, and it was your postwhich
doesn't
> prove anything", then why did you make the comment in the previous
> paragraph? :-)
>
> David G Fisher
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> said, "Just look at the number of posts here relating to F1RC, RC2000 and > GPL. You > really think there's just a handful of people here playing GPL? GPL gets > over ten times the number of posts that F1RC and RC2000 get." > > I simply pointed out that it depends on the forum (just like your Legends > Central point). If "How many posts there are on any particular forum>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> F1RC is clearly the dominate F1 sim of today. Honor it and feel blessed.
N*Sync is clearly the dominate music group of today. Honor it and feel
blessed.
riiiiiiiiiight...
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> <snip> > N*Sync is clearly the dominate music group of today. > Honor it and feel blessed. > > > riiiiiiiiiight... > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >N'Sync started about...........three years ago?
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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > F1RC is clearly the dominate F1 sim of today. Honor it and feel blessed. > > > N*Sync is clearly the dominate music group of today. Honor it and feel > blessed. > > > riiiiiiiiiight... > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
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>
> N'Sync started about...........three years ago?
>
Yeah, but their ff implementation sucks. Physics are arcade as well.
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You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that I read
many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were
in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self Proclaimed
Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!!
God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be
awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should
also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my
own company" B.S. either...
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| BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv
| viewers per race?
|
| David G Fisher
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What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called me
names?
From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm
More Formula One TV Details
"RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some
details about the Formula One TV contract:
TV revenue is $350 million annually.
$180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams.
However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLaren and
Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points last year
like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
"Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will drive
this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million people
were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a year."
"The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given
Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at
F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, gives
us a peek at F1 TV details:
The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers.
The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people
assume is severely understated.
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Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming soon.
Interested? :-P
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> You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that I read > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self Proclaimed > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!! > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my > own company" B.S. either... > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv > | viewers per race? > | > | David G FisherHere I go again... I wish schools would deviate from cramming formulas and
algebra into students and instead tried to instill some sense of how big big
numbers actually are. Possibly trying to develop some kind of intuition to
guard against organistions, and I don't just mean the FIA, but also
environmental groups, governments and NGO's trying to prove their point with
(doctored) statistics. Stimulate some orginal thought for once, but I guess
that would be very dangerous 'cuz you can't really mark it.
Anyway, let's have a stab at an estimate of the number of people watching
the race live.
5 billion people in the world. Assuming most people sleep 8 hours a day,
1/3rd will be sleeping at the time of the GP. i.e. potential audience
reduced 3.4 billion.
Suppose half of these people have access to a TV (very generous,
irrespective of it showing F1 live or not), i.e. 1.7 billion potential
viewers.
From recent viewing figures (www.humo.be) 197.170 out of a population of 4.5
million watched the Canadian GP in Flanders (early Sunday evening here...
absolutely no competion from anything), that's... <calculator> 4.4%.
Extrapolating to the world audience (irrespective of the distribution of
intereest which does exist) we get: 4.4% out of 1.7billion... <calculator>
74.8 million viewers worldwide.
This is extrapolated from the very generous assumption half the world's
population has access to live F1 broadcasts and taking viewing numbers from
a more than average motorsport minded region of Europe.
350million? -Nah... never, just not possible _at all_.
If you count every scrap of F1 footage shown of a race, ever, perhaps. But
certainly not live.
Jan.
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> <snip> "Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix
> 17 times a year."
Now DGF Mr Stock Sale Firm Owner!! Listen up!!
DGF! I didnt ask you to re-hash old news! You just ask querys so you
can re-post more old crap!! I gave you the info and that was it!!! Now
you talk about name calling? This is definately the 'kettle calling the pot'
black! Just in the past 3-4 days you were swaring at people on here &
bitch, piss maining & groainig so don t even go here!!
Btw: I do not buy your owning stock brokerage company or any other!
I've been away 'most' of the day but when I came back I counted how
many posts you made here in the past 24 hours!! If you own your own
firm you better fire your ass as you are on here entirely too much to be
in the stock business!! If you were truely had a businesss you wouldnt
have the time to post, re-post & re-post here over & over!
You profess to be this, then that and now you are some type of stock
firm owner [or whatever] You *BullShit* entirely too much! Sadly all
here knows this except yourself! Fact! Can we say pathological liar?
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| "Thom j." wrote:
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| Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points lastyear
| like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
|
| "Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
| recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
| don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that willdrive
| this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 millionpeople
| were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times ayear."
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| Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming soon.
| Interested? :-P
|
| David G Fisher
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| > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were | > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self Proclaimed | > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!! | > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be | > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should | > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my | > own company" B.S. either... | > | > "David G Fisher" wrote: | > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv | > | viewers per race? | > | | > | David G Fisher | | What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called me | names? | | From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm | | More Formula One TV Details | | "RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some | details about the Formula One TV contract: | | TV revenue is $350 million annually. | | $180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams. | | However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLarenQuoted text (7 lines)
| | | | "The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given | | Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at | F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process,Quoted text (9 lines)
| us a peek at F1 TV details: | | The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers. | | The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people | assume is severely understated. | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------Wow, you avoided my "proof" completely.
No, I don't care if you call me names.
No, I don't own a stock brokerage. That wasn't what I said.
David G Fisher
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Now DGF Mr Stock Sale Firm Owner!! Listen up!!
> DGF! I didnt ask you to re-hash old news! You just ask querys so you
> can re-post more old crap!! I gave you the info and that was it!!! Now
> you talk about name calling? This is definately the 'kettle calling thepot'
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> black! Just in the past 3-4 days you were swaring at people on here & > bitch, piss maining & groainig so don t even go here!! > Btw: I do not buy your owning stock brokerage company or any other! > I've been away 'most' of the day but when I came back I counted how > many posts you made here in the past 24 hours!! If you own your own > firm you better fire your ass as you are on here entirely too much to be > in the stock business!! If you were truely had a businesss you wouldnt > have the time to post, re-post & re-post here over & over! > You profess to be this, then that and now you are some type of stock > firm owner [or whatever] You *BullShit* entirely too much! Sadly all > here knows this except yourself! Fact! Can we say pathological liar? > > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | "Thom j." wrote: > | > You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that I > read > | > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were > | > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr SelfQuoted text (8 lines)
> | > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!! > | > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be > | > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should > | > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my > | > own company" B.S. either... > | > > | > "David G Fisher" wrote: > | > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 millionQuoted text (12 lines)
> | > | viewers per race? > | > | > | > | David G Fisher > | > | What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called me > | names? > | > | From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm > | > | More Formula One TV Details > | > | "RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star givesQuoted text (14 lines)
> | details about the Formula One TV contract: > | > | TV revenue is $350 million annually. > | > | $180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams. > | > | However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLaren > and > | Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points last > year > | like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million. > | > | "Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He > | recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized.Quoted text (12 lines)
> | don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will > drive > | this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million > people > | were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a > year." > | > | > | > | "The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given > | > | Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swingQuoted text (7 lines)
> | F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, > gives > | us a peek at F1 TV details: > | > | The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers. > | > | The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which mostQuoted text (23 lines)
> | assume is severely understated. > | > | > | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > | ----------------------------- > | > | Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming soon. > | Interested? :-P > | > | David G Fisher > | > | > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >First of all, there are six billion people on this planet, so maybe you are
the one who needs some more education. Eliminating 1 billion people from the
world population is not a good way to begin a lecture on statistics.
Every time there is a "ratings" topic, we always have people who must doubt
them.
Also, do you have any idea whatsoever how popular F1 is in Asia, compared to
the rest of the world? Location of a ratings sample absolutely does matter.
For instance, only about 250,000 people out of 275 million in the U.S. watch
each F1 race.
NBC had 3 million viewers on avg. for their reg. season games in the U.S.
alone. 15 million avg. for each game in the Finals (U.S.).
Any idea how many people world wide watch the NFL's Super Bowl?
350 million world wide for a F1 race is certainly realistic, especially
since it is broadcast in about 80 countries, and has the same type of
popularity as soccer.
Who said anything about "live" viewership anyway? I tape races that come on
at a really inconvenient hour. What really matters to advertisers is how
many people watch the race when it's initially broadcast in a particular
location, live or not.
An individual can always doubt the "numbers". Fact is, advertisers who
invest billions base their investment on ratings. Advertisement contracts
are negotiated based on these ratings (or do they come to Jan V.?) Do you
really think these estimated numbers are given little priority with regard
to accuracy? Do you think Bernie's 12 year old nephew was put in charge of
totalling these viewership numbers? Do you think advertisers don't don't do
a little bit of checking? Come on Jan, F1 is too big for you to believe that
the numbers aren't important enough to all involved to be thoroughly
researched.
F1, even if the number of people who tune in is 335 million per race instead
of 350 million, is still a phemonemally popular sport, dwarfing almost
everything else in comparison, including NASCAR
http://www.sportsline.com/u/wire/stories/0%2C1169%2C3621187_6%2C00.html
David G Fisher
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Here I go again... I wish schools would deviate from cramming formulas and
> algebra into students and instead tried to instill some sense of how bigbig
> numbers actually are. Possibly trying to develop some kind of intuition to
> guard against organistions, and I don't just mean the FIA, but also
> environmental groups, governments and NGO's trying to prove their pointwith
> (doctored) statistics. Stimulate some orginal thought for once, but Iguess
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> that would be very dangerous 'cuz you can't really mark it. > > Anyway, let's have a stab at an estimate of the number of people watching > the race live. > > 5 billion people in the world. Assuming most people sleep 8 hours a day, > 1/3rd will be sleeping at the time of the GP. i.e. potential audience > reduced 3.4 billion. > > Suppose half of these people have access to a TV (very generous, > irrespective of it showing F1 live or not), i.e. 1.7 billion potential > viewers. > > From recent viewing figures (www.humo.be) 197.170 out of a population ofQuoted text (9 lines)
> million watched the Canadian GP in Flanders (early Sunday evening here... > absolutely no competion from anything), that's... <calculator> 4.4%. > > Extrapolating to the world audience (irrespective of the distribution of > intereest which does exist) we get: 4.4% out of 1.7billion... <calculator> > 74.8 million viewers worldwide. > > This is extrapolated from the very generous assumption half the world's > population has access to live F1 broadcasts and taking viewing numbersQuoted text (16 lines)
> a more than average motorsport minded region of Europe. > > 350million? -Nah... never, just not possible _at all_. > > If you count every scrap of F1 footage shown of a race, ever, perhaps. But > certainly not live. > > Jan. > =--- > > "David G Fisher" quoted... > > <snip> "Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix > > 17 times a year." > > >Old news! Not interested one bit as it wasnt what I presented to you
for the past 4-5 posts. I can not relate to your frame of mind at all. If
you want to rehash old bullshit find another to bore.. Sadly, ur antics
are really old at this point.. Time to move on..
"David G Fisher" wrote:
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| > | > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I ownmy
| > | > own company" B.S. either...
| > | >
| > | > "David G Fisher" wrote:
| > | > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300million
| tv
| > | > | viewers per race?
| > | > |
| > | > | David G Fisher
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| > | What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Calledme
McLaren
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| > | Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no pointslast
| > year
| > | like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
| > |
| > | "Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers.He
| > | recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was beingutilized.
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| > | Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a majorswing
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| Wow, you avoided my "proof" completely. | No, I don't care if you call me names. | No, I don't own a stock brokerage. That wasn't what I said. | David G Fisher | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Now DGF Mr Stock Sale Firm Owner!! Listen up!! | > DGF! I didnt ask you to re-hash old news! You just ask querys so you | > can re-post more old crap!! I gave you the info and that was it!!! Now | > you talk about name calling? This is definately the 'kettle calling the | pot' | > black! Just in the past 3-4 days you were swaring at people on here & | > bitch, piss maining & groainig so don t even go here!! | > Btw: I do not buy your owning stock brokerage company or any other! | > I've been away 'most' of the day but when I came back I counted how | > many posts you made here in the past 24 hours!! If you own your own | > firm you better fire your ass as you are on here entirely too much to be | > in the stock business!! If you were truely had a businesss you wouldnt | > have the time to post, re-post & re-post here over & over! | > You profess to be this, then that and now you are some type of stock | > firm owner [or whatever] You *BullShit* entirely too much! Sadly all | > here knows this except yourself! Fact! Can we say pathological liar? | > | > "David G Fisher" wrote: | > | "Thom j." wrote: | > | > You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you thatQuoted text (7 lines)
| > read | > | > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were | > | > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self | Proclaimed | > | > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!! | > | > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be | > | > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect theyQuoted text (15 lines)
| > | names? | > | | > | From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm | > | | > | More Formula One TV Details | > | | > | "RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives | some | > | details about the Formula One TV contract: | > | | > | TV revenue is $350 million annually. | > | | > | $180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams. | > | | > | However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance.Quoted text (11 lines)
| 'I | > | don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will | > drive | > | this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million | > people | > | were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a | > year." | > | | > | | > | | > | "The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV DetailsQuoted text (19 lines)
| at | > | F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, | > gives | > | us a peek at F1 TV details: | > | | > | The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers. | > | | > | The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most | people | > | assume is severely understated. | > | | > | | > | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | > -- | > | ----------------------------- | > | | > | Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale comingQuoted text (15 lines)
| > | Interested? :-P | > | | > | David G Fisher | > | | > | | > | | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 | > | > |Not that I really give a fuck, but to me "350 million viewers watching 17
GPs" means an accumulated 350 million over the season. Including, BTW, me.
Ben
>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> F1, even if the number of people who tune in is 335 million per raceinstead
> of 350 million, is still a phemonemally popular sport, dwarfing almost
> everything else in comparison, including NASCAR
So?
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> Not that I really give a fuck, but to me "350 million viewers watching 17
> GPs" means an accumulated 350 million over the season. Including, BTW,me.
>
> Ben
Did you actually read this?
From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm
More Formula One TV Details
"RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some
details about the Formula One TV contract:
TV revenue is $350 million annually.
$180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams.
However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLaren and
Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points last year
like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
"Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will drive
this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million people
were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a year."
"The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given
Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at
F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, gives
us a peek at F1 TV details:
The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers.
The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people
assume is severely understated.
David G Fisher
"David G Fisher" wrote...
> First of all, there are six billion people on this planet,
> so maybe you are a the one who needs some more education.
> Eliminating 1 billion people from the world population is
> not a good way to begin a lecture on statistics.
That many already? -Well, ok, I wasn't aware of that, but it doesn't make
that big an impact on the calculation (88million).
> Every time there is a "ratings" topic, we always have
> people who must doubt them.
As it should be, certainly when a completely proposterous number is claimed.
> Also, do you have any idea whatsoever how popular F1 is in Asia,
> compared to the rest of the world? Location of a ratings sample
> absolutely does matter. For instance, only about 250,000 people
> out of 275 million in the U.S. watch each F1 race.
Yes, F1 is only mildly popular in the US, so using an US viewing figure
would have been very unfair. That's why I chose a local figure as people
here are fairly F1 minded.
Yes, F1 is very popular in some parts of Asia, but I think that is offset by
the lack of TV sets there. China, India, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan are
part of Asia too and I very much doubt 50% of the population there has
access to a TV (let alone F1). This is why I think I was very generous with
my assumption half the world is in a position to watch F1.
> NBC had 3 million viewers on avg. for their reg. season games in the U.S.
> alone. 15 million avg. for each game in the Finals (U.S.).
>
> Any idea how many people world wide watch the NFL's Super Bowl?
Not a clue... is it broadcast live around the world at all? -I assume
Germany and Japan (both countries with a large US military presence) get it,
but it sure isn't "on" here.
> 350 million world wide for a F1 race is certainly realistic,
> especially since it is broadcast in about 80 countries, and
> has the same type of popularity as soccer.
How many countries are there in total? And what percentage of global
population lives there? How many of those have access to the coverage?
I.e. what is the potential audience? -I have a good feeling my 2 billion was
pretty generous.
> Who said anything about "live" viewership anyway?
I'm talking 'bout live viewership because the person who released that quote
made it sound that way. If it had said 350million people are _exposed_ to
the coverage of each race in some form or other, I'd have no trouble
believing that. Watching implies "wanting to see", IMO.
> <snip>
>
> An individual can always doubt the "numbers". Fact is,
> advertisers who invest billions base their investment
> on ratings. Advertisement contracts are negotiated
> based on these ratings (or do they come to Jan V.?)
Ah yes, anything someone on Bernie's staff says is true, because he's
wealthy and important. Anything I say is rubbish, because I'm just an
average Joe.
You come across as such a snob David, it makes the hairs on the back of my
neck stand up.
Not at all, I'm just saying they're presented in their most positive light
and in a slightly misleading way.
> F1, even if the number of people who tune in is 335
> million per race instead of 350 million,
"...tune in at some time to watch some part.." rather. ;-)
> is still a phemonemally popular sport, dwarfing
> almost everything else in comparison, including
> NASCAR
No question, there aren't many global sports (Nascar is hardly a global
sport, unfair comparison) which can rival it as Olympic meetings or WC
Soccer matches aren't scheduled every two weeks.
But 350million people watching the races together... no.
Jan.
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> Do you really think these estimated numbers are given > little priority with regard to accuracy? Do you think > Bernie's 12 year old nephew was put in charge of > totalling these viewership numbers? Do you think > advertisers don't don't do a little bit of checking? > Come on Jan, F1 is too big for you to believe that > the numbers aren't important enough to all involved > to be thoroughly researched.Jan, I have been really bizzy these past months so it did
go up to 6billion [thats with a "B"] :o)~
"Another" wrote:
| > First of all, there are six billion people on this planet,
"Jan Verschueren" wrote:
| That many already?
| Jan.
| =---
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In article <ylCX6.24579$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>"RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some
>details about the Formula One TV contract:
I tried to find contact info for Robin Miller. I was going to ask him to
clarify that statement. No contact info available drom the website. The link
as posted doesn't even work... :(
I got TO the paper, but their search engine is screwed up right now...
Eldred
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with experience...
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Well, there you go. I wonder how many of those 5 billion are repeat
offenders though.
Ben
David G Fisher wrote in message ...
and
>Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points lastyear
>like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
>
>"Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
>recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
>don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will drive
>this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 millionpeople
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> >"Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Not that I really give a fuck, but to me "350 million viewers watching 17 >> GPs" means an accumulated 350 million over the season. Including, BTW, >me. >> >> Ben > >Did you actually read this? > >From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm > >More Formula One TV Details > >"RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some >details about the Formula One TV contract: > >TV revenue is $350 million annually. > >$180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams. > >However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLarenQuoted text (18 lines)
>were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a year." > > > >"The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given > >Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at >F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, gives >us a peek at F1 TV details: > >The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers. > >The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people >assume is severely understated. > > >David G Fisher > Last I heard, Robin Miller got fired from the Star.
something about double dipping...working for ESPN when he was under contract
as a Newspaper reporter.
dave henrie
(John Bodin would have more ACCURATE info about Miller's situation.)
> I tried to find contact info for Robin Miller. I was going to ask him to
> clarify that statement. No contact info available drom the website. Thelink
> as posted doesn't even work... :(
> I got TO the paper, but their search engine is screwed up right now...
>
> Eldred
