Will the GPL community suffer at the hands of WSC?

Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and even planning the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that it will become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure time it'll take up. Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that big, do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released. :-[ Jonesy Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying. GPLRANK (cough) 226.15

WSC will have a 917, if it is as good as GPL it will be bye bye GPL Sudesh "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:laNV6.6409$[email hidden]... > Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent > interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to > all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. > > Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and evenplanning > the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that itwill > become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure > time it'll take up. > > Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; > that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig, > do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > > I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community,and > I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a > bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never beenreleased.

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>"Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote > Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; > that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig, > do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? It's irrelevant. It's not important at all, it's just a game. Do people mourn still with Nascar Racing 1? No, we have moved to better sims. Like we will move to a better sim if WSC is superior to GPL. Stop making this like GPL is essential in our life :-/ It's not, it's just a bloody sim. Whatever realistic it might be, whatever entertaining it is to us. It happened with World Circuit, the original Nascar Racing. They did not suffer, because "suffering" is irrelevant for a racing game. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Craig, I understand how you feel exactly. gplrank = 159.91 Guess we started late. Lets look at the evidence here. (Though there may be something I do not know about) 1. GPL came to market some time in 1998. How many new sims since then? Chances are pretty good that WSC will come and go like the rest. If there is reason to believe otherwise let the world know. John G Craig Jones wrote in message ... >Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent >interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to >all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. > >Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and evenplanning >the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that itwill >become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure >time it'll take up. > >Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; >that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig,

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>do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > >I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and >I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a >bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released. >:-[ > >Jonesy > >Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying. > >GPLRANK (cough) 226.15 > > >

In article <7dQV6.40655$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >They did not suffer, because "suffering" is irrelevant for a racing game. > > Have you watched any of my "fast" laps...? :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <FRQV6.2082$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > 1. GPL came to market some time in 1998. > > How many new sims since then? Chances are pretty good that WSC will come and > go like the rest. I beg to differ. WSC appears to be given the same freedom and care that GPL was given during production, I suspect that WSC will make at least as much impact on the community as GPL has. Cheers, Rod.

Craig Jones <[email hidden]> wrote on 13 Jun 2001: <snip> >What I'm wondering is, if WSC > becomes that big, do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the > enthusiasm for it? <snip> If it's all it's cracked up to be, then GPL will go the way of all flesh[1] and WSC will prevail over all things. After all, the unbelievably-hyped "open architecture" (it had better be) ought to make it fairly simple to make 1967 F1 cars.... [1] Yeah, I know. But "the way of all CDs, disks or even cassettes quite a while ago" sounds silly. -- David. (GPLRank handicap -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +272.44) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Craig Jones wrote: > snip > > I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and > I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a > bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released. > :-[ GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modern sports cars. Why would I want to stop driving those old machines because I can drive the new ones? I have to split my racing time between modern and old F1 and Nascar already, so one more sim is just reducing the time for each, but will not exclude any of them. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

There's always hope. David G Fisher "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:laNV6.6409$[email hidden]... > Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent > interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to > all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. > > Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and evenplanning > the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that itwill > become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure > time it'll take up. > > Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; > that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig, > do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > > I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community,and > I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a > bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never beenreleased.

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I don't race GPL for the cars or the tracks or the time period...I race it because it is the most realistic road racing sim out there. If WSC drives better, then I will move to it (and probably play GPL when I get frustrated with WSC and need something easier...). I am sure there will be a WSC rank...the problem with WSC is that it is going to have a ton of cars (lots of add on cars) and it seems it will be easy to make/modify the tracks...so issues of equal playing field may come up...Look at SCGT. People just keep making better cars...You don't hear people talking about racing the original cars to get good times...they just make a car with more horsepower and more grip and turn faster times...false sense of improvement. If WSC gets out of hand in this aspect (it shouldn't be bad online...I think they will have good cheat detection for online racing) then I might have to go back to GPL for some even racing. We will see. In general, though, I think the pack will flock to WSC, but they won't forget about GPL. JB Craig Jones wrote in message ... >Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent >interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to >all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. > >Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and evenplanning >the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that itwill >become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure >time it'll take up. > >Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; >that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig,

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>do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > >I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and >I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a >bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released. >:-[ > >Jonesy > >Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying. > >GPLRANK (cough) 226.15 > >

This statement makes it sound like you think that GPL is the be all and end all of racing sims, never to be conquered by another. It isn't. Right NOW, it is the best racing sim out there, I'll admit that much. Hell, it's about the only one I play with any regularity and I have bunches of them. But there is always something better just over the horizon and WSC may be it. It may not. But sooner or later, something will come along that will knock GPL off its pedestal. Todd Walker GPLRank: +99.44 twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:23:49 GMT, "John G" <[email hidden]> wrote: >How many new sims since then? Chances are pretty good that WSC will come and >go like the rest.

I don't think the issue is the time period...I don't think the majority of the racers out there race GPL JUST because it is 1967 F1 cars...I think they are attracted by the challenge of the realistic driving model. The problem with the "open architecture" is that we will be getting all sorts of cars and it may become difficult to get an even race (how do I know he hasn't added 50 more HP to his car or decreased his drag coefficient?). This may not be an issue for the guys that just tool around the track...but it may become an issue in league racing and any sort of hotlap sites/WSC rank or whatnot...Hopefully the wests will be clever enough to implement some system that can verify the cars (maybe build a result submission system into the game that automatically sends results and information about the car to an email address...this way people can't fake the results). Hopefully all of this stuff is taken into consideration and we will have a great sim for competition. JB David Buttery wrote in message ...

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>Craig Jones <[email hidden]> wrote on 13 Jun 2001: > ><snip> >>What I'm wondering is, if WSC >> becomes that big, do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the >> enthusiasm for it? ><snip> > >If it's all it's cracked up to be, then GPL will go the way of all >flesh[1] and WSC will prevail over all things. After all, the >unbelievably-hyped "open architecture" (it had better be) ought to make >it fairly simple to make 1967 F1 cars.... > >[1] Yeah, I know. But "the way of all CDs, disks or even cassettes >quite a while ago" sounds silly. >-- >David. (GPLRank handicap -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +272.44) >The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, >really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

It's not a problem, as it was already said WSC will have an online checking system that will report any mismatches between the cars. It's been done in the flight sim world before with Fighter Squadron, and that one works brilliantly online despite being fully open for modifications. -Gregor Jesse Black wrote:

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> > I don't think the issue is the time period...I don't think the majority of > the racers out there race GPL JUST because it is 1967 F1 cars...I think they > are attracted by the challenge of the realistic driving model. The problem > with the "open architecture" is that we will be getting all sorts of cars > and it may become difficult to get an even race (how do I know he hasn't > added 50 more HP to his car or decreased his drag coefficient?).

Wrong, WSC will attempt to simulate any car, as it will be open for editing. Therefore you could create a 1967 car with it as well. -Gregor Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modern sports cars. >

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:12:49 GMT, "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; >that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that big, >do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? GPL will only suffer if WSC will be a better sim than GPL is. And it's about time that someone makes a better sim than 3-year old GPL.. But before I will uninstall GPL, WSC must have all the cars and tracks available for GPL, and do it better in every department :) Andre

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:07:40 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There's always hope. > >David G Fisher True, but after all those crappy releases since GPL hope starts to fade away.. Andre

Gregor Veble wrote: > > Wrong, WSC will attempt to simulate any car, as it will be open for > editing. Therefore you could create a 1967 car with it as well. I don't care, as it will take a LONG time until I can drive a 67 Ferrari through Buttklenchen Wheelgrippen, won't it? Probably it will never happen. I was just saying, that I don't agree with that singular thought of "this sim will make all others redundant". > Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > > > GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modern sports cars. > > -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

Well I gotta admit that I came very late to GPL, late last year to be exact, I've had a GPL 'holiday' for about 6 months and have just started racing again (to be exact I've just started relearning how to drive the damn thing!) - nothnig else race-sim wise has matched the 'feel' of GPL (for me at least) I'll be getting WSC for sure, but GPL will stay, we all need variety. Alan. GPLRank: 222.02

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> Gregor Veble wrote: > > > > Wrong, WSC will attempt to simulate any car, as it will be open for > > editing. Therefore you could create a 1967 car with it as well. > > I don't care, as it will take a LONG time until I can drive a 67 Ferrari > through Buttklenchen Wheelgrippen, won't it? Probably it will never

happen. > I was just saying, that I don't agree with that singular thought of "this > sim will make all others redundant". > > > Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > > > > > GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modernsports cars. > > > > > -- > l8er > ronny > You picked the worst possible example to make your case. The West Bros. have long stated that one of the cars to ship with the first version will be the 1967 Ferrari 312 F1 car. : ) KFG

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:12:22 GMT, "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You picked the worst possible example to make your case. The West Bros. have >long stated that one of the cars to ship with the first version will be the >1967 Ferrari 312 F1 car. : ) > >KFG .. which is extremely brave of them.. I can't wait to compare WSC's 312 behaviour to that of GPL :) Carry on the great work guys while I'm going to drool over that movie once more.. Andre

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> > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Gregor Veble wrote: > > > > > > Wrong, WSC will attempt to simulate any car, as it will be open for > > > editing. Therefore you could create a 1967 car with it as well. > > > > I don't care, as it will take a LONG time until I can drive a 67 Ferrari > > through Buttklenchen Wheelgrippen, won't it? Probably it will never > happen. > > I was just saying, that I don't agree with that singular thought of "this > > sim will make all others redundant".

snip > You picked the worst possible example to make your case. The West Bros. have > long stated that one of the cars to ship with the first version will be the > 1967 Ferrari 312 F1 car. : ) Okay, that satisfies ONE of the TWO (car and track) features of GPL... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > >They did not suffer, because "suffering" is irrelevant for a racing game. > > > > > Have you watched any of my "fast" laps...? :-) Heheh ok you have a point, if GPL could speak when you are driving it would probably say "Ohhhh the humanity, somebody help me... I'm afraid... I'm afraid Dave..." -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Well, Gee Kevin this certainly is not a GPL type car at all!! Is it?? haha Sorry I had to do some comic relief here!! :o)~ "Kevin Gavitt" wrote: | You picked the worst possible example to make your case. The West Bros.have | long stated that one of the cars to ship with the first version will bethe | 1967 Ferrari 312 F1 car. : ) | KFG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001

WSC doesnt seem to offer online racing. Only Lan is supposed to be implemented (this info comes from Empire's web site). If this is true, GPL will keep the pole position in racing sims.

From the lastest interview that the West Brothers did, WSC will very much have online racing, check out http://www.simracingmag.com/wsc/articles/wsc_articles.shtml On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:14:00 +0200, "Thierry Cailleteau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >WSC doesnt seem to offer online racing. Only Lan is supposed to be >implemented (this info comes from Empire's web site). > >If this is true, GPL will keep the pole position in racing sims. > > >

... I'm afraid... I'm > afraid Dave..." zzzzzzzzz eeehhhh??? What? Dave

Dave Henrie wrote... > > ... I'm afraid... I'm > > afraid Dave..." > zzzzzzzzz eeehhhh??? What? > Dave 2001, A Space Odyssey reference. Jan. =---

I would HOPE that car and track makers NOT waste thier time replicating GPL in WSC. WHY ??? If GPL if one of the better sims out there...even if WSC supasses it...then I would hope the focus of WSC are the many other areas of sim racing that are not up to GPL's level of expertise. Just like there are seemingly dozens of F1 sims...yet lots of users keep asking for more F1 sims, or patches for other products like Nascar Heat. Modern F1 has at least 3 fairly serious offerings and several more one-off sims like Lankor's racer. So doing another modern f1 is just duplicating what is already available. I bet TRUSRS85 can tell where I'm going..:)...but with so many tracks and series not covered, I would once again hope WSC is prodded to provide racing for DTM or Endurance FIA races, or Aussie Touring Cars. Or ALMS and Grand Am or Euro Sports cars or Cart or Super Tourers or or or...I could go on...my point, which I've almost forgotten is... We don't need WSC to improve GPL, it's fine, the private sector can keep it fresh for a while longer. We don't need more modern F1 sims. We don't need another and another Nascar Sim. We need Online Endurance racing where teams of drivers can share the same car, we need American Open Wheel racing, we need sedan racing(touring cars). Hopefully the shipped version of WSC will cover the Sportscars and the private sector can fill in the rest. dave henrie Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:12:49 GMT, "Craig Jones" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; > >that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes thatbig,

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> >do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > > GPL will only suffer if WSC will be a better sim than GPL is. > And it's about time that someone makes a better sim than 3-year old > GPL.. > > But before I will uninstall GPL, WSC must have all the cars and tracks > available for GPL, and do it better in every department :) > > Andre

Dave, Everything you have stated is "O" so true! Sadly I feel we do not have one [not one] really good F1 sim to date except GPL and this is a piece of history that I lived thru! It was a great time for F1racing and so many other genres of racing but we can't set ourselves into 1967 all the time! I love *all* motor racing! Even the Goofy riding lawn'mower races on SpeedVision crack me up & if I were able I'd probably try it too!...lol I wish we just had one new-good F1 or open-wheel sim to race! Icr2 was fantastic for me but I do not understand why F1' sims fall short in one way or another.. I boggles my mind.. I hope WSC is everything it appears it's going to be and much more! Only the final release will tell...eh? I still wish one of these PC gamer companies would finally get at least one F1 sim right! It is frustrating with so many "close but no cigar" F1 sims out now!! Phew!! Cheers Thom_j. P.S. Btw: I really liked F1RS too!! Yes DGF!! A Ubi Sim!! :o)~ "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zMzW6.181428$[email hidden]... | I would HOPE that car and track makers NOT waste thier time replicating | GPL in WSC. WHY ??? If GPL if one of the better sims out there...evenif | WSC supasses it...then I would hope the focus of WSC are the many other | areas of sim racing that are not up to GPL's level of expertise. Justlike | there are seemingly dozens of F1 sims...yet lots of users keep asking for | more F1 sims, or patches for other products like Nascar Heat. Modern F1 | has at least 3 fairly serious offerings and several more one-off sims like | Lankor's racer. | So doing another modern f1 is just duplicating what is already available.I | bet TRUSRS85 can tell where I'm going..:)...but with so many tracks and | series not covered, I would once again hope WSC is prodded to provideracing | for DTM or Endurance FIA races, or Aussie Touring Cars. Or ALMS and Grand | Am or Euro Sports cars or Cart or Super Tourers or or or...I could go | on...my point, which I've almost forgotten is... | We don't need WSC to improve GPL, it's fine, the private sector can keep | it fresh for a while longer. We don't need more modern F1 sims. We don't | need another and another Nascar Sim. We need Online Endurance racingwhere | teams of drivers can share the same car, we need American Open Wheelracing, | we need sedan racing(touring cars). Hopefully the shipped version of WSC | will cover the Sportscars and the private sector can fill in the rest. | dave henrie<snipped> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/6/2001

Please ask this when WSC is actually out. Right now, this topic is pure speculation and theory.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I would HOPE that car and track makers NOT waste thier time replicating >GPL in WSC. WHY ??? If GPL if one of the better sims out there...even if >WSC supasses it...then I would hope the focus of WSC are the many other >areas of sim racing that are not up to GPL's level of expertise.[snip] You have a point there, Dave. However, I think the idea behind replicating a GPL car and track in WSC is to allow us to compare GPL and WSC regarding the physics of the sims on a level playing ground. Nothing more. I expect the initial release of WSC to feature mainly Le Mans cars (those are the "sports cars", after all) and I hope to see a historic GT supplement later on. -- Wolfgang Prei� / Spam me and bear the consequences! / [email hidden] / http://www.wopr.handshake.de/

As long as WSC has been in development, it SHOULD be better than GPL. If it isn't, well it's a shame. All this time WAITING for an inferior product. Not good for the consumer.

Didn't they start development back when rendition was the card of choice? They gonna have to start thinking about optimizing for the GeForce 8. :) LOL Don Burnette "RegularRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ccKW6.41$[email hidden]... > As long as WSC has been in development, it SHOULD be better than > GPL. If it isn't, well it's a shame. All this time WAITING for aninferior > product. Not good for the consumer. > > > > >

LoL Don.......VERY GOOD point...<grin> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QhKW6.158008$[email hidden]...

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> Didn't they start development back when rendition was the card of choice? > They gonna have to start thinking about optimizing for the GeForce 8. :) > LOL > > Don Burnette > > "RegularRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ccKW6.41$[email hidden]... > > As long as WSC has been in development, it SHOULD be better than > > GPL. If it isn't, well it's a shame. All this time WAITING for an > inferior > > product. Not good for the consumer. > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:juBW6.17472$[email hidden]... > P.S. Btw: I really liked F1RS too!! Yes DGF!! A Ubi Sim!! :o)~ Then you will love F1RC. :-P DGF

I loved F1RS [& I might start running it again??] but as soon as they went into the "degrade" of that shitty MGPRS & it pissed me off to no end that it wouldnt run correctly on my system back then! So I called and emailed Ubi I got NO help from them what so ever! Nothing!! So when I felt I had been used as just another stupid' consumer that they cared less about via any support I said F***It & decided never to buy a Ubi product again! They clearly didnt care about me so I defiantely didnt need their bullshit! I have never bought one title since and I wont!! So this is why I trash Ubi and they deserve it!! I decided, If they can not answer a few minor questions on just one title why should I bother? Oddly when I first bought F1RS and had any problems I had two great techs at Ubi that would bust their humps to help me but they were fired and ever since I saw a "no help" policy from the other techs! Sad but true! Anyway thats why no more Ubi for me DGF!! Thom_j. P.S. Sorry for the pooly structured ro'on sentences but recalling these events got me POe'd all over again...lol "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BjPW6.18572$[email hidden]...

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| | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:juBW6.17472$[email hidden]... | > P.S. Btw: I really liked F1RS too!! Yes DGF!! A Ubi Sim!! :o)~ | | Then you will love F1RC. :-P | | DGF |

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Unfortunately, customer service is sh***y with most companies. Terrible. Especially the automated telephone menus. I wouldn't buy too many things the rest of my life if tech support/customer service was the highest priority. The bigger the company, the worse their customer service is usually going to be. David G Fisher "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XmRW6.18911$[email hidden]...

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> I loved F1RS [& I might start running it again??] but as soon as they went > into the "degrade" of that shitty MGPRS & it pissed me off to no end that > it wouldnt run correctly on my system back then! So I called and emailed > Ubi I got NO help from them what so ever! Nothing!! > So when I felt I had been used as just another stupid' consumer that they > cared less about via any support I said F***It & decided never to buy a > Ubi product again! They clearly didnt care about me so I defiantely didnt > need their bullshit! I have never bought one title since and I wont!! > So this is why I trash Ubi and they deserve it!! I decided, If they can

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> answer a few minor questions on just one title why should I bother? > Oddly when I first bought F1RS and had any problems I had two great > techs at Ubi that would bust their humps to help me but they were fired > and ever since I saw a "no help" policy from the other techs! > Sad but true! Anyway thats why no more Ubi for me DGF!! > Thom_j. > P.S. Sorry for the pooly structured ro'on sentences but recalling these > events got me POe'd all over again...lol > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BjPW6.18572$[email hidden]... > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:juBW6.17472$[email hidden]... > | > P.S. Btw: I really liked F1RS too!! Yes DGF!! A Ubi Sim!! :o)~ > | > | Then you will love F1RC. :-P > | > | DGF > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >

I'm waiting for WSC solely for the reason to launch GPL. But if the online stinks then I'll be forced to play more GPL. The community itself shouldn't suffer. It'll just change games. I'm also one of the ones you mentioned that is planning an upgrade around it. -- Mark Jeangerard [email hidden] Administrator GPVL F2 Division http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:laNV6.6409$[email hidden]... > Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent > interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to > all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway. > > Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and even planning > the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that it will > become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure > time it'll take up. > > Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL"; > that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that big, > do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it? > > I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and > I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a > bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released. > :-[ > > Jonesy > > Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying. > > GPLRANK (cough) 226.15 > >