GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

Right, downloaded DxTweak plus some other utils that I didn't use in the end... still, loaded up DxTweak and set my deadzone for both x and y axis to 0 and then booted up GPL. Reset my linearity just a tad more linear from its current setting of about 2/3rds non-linear proceeded to Rouen which was the next track that I had planned to practice on anyway. Whoa!! Cars a bit wobbly on the straight now coz I don't need to be so accentuated with the steering wheel, also I'm oversteering into corners and running up curbs a bit too much. Tell myself not to put so much input in, smaller is better. Mmm, this is not bad. Hard braking still in a straight line and first couple of laps aren't too shabby either. Under 2 mins but not near my PB of 1:57.79 with the wheel. I hit F3 and think about shifting slightly more linear and then, at the last possible second decide, 'Oh, Sod it!! Let's shift it right over!'. Back on track with full linear now and the car is now needing very little input to get the wheels turning. Once again plenty of oversteering towards curbs on the inside, but somehow what I'm sure would have been a big mess under the old settings I managed to grab hold of each time and keep the car going down the track. By lap 10 and the laps are getting better with some already in the low 1:58s and high 1:57s and then I manage one just 1/100th off my PB. I'm still not consistent, and I'm sure that with a lap that I get everything right on and my old time is going to tumble. By lap 16 I'm starting to get quite aggressive with my driving as my confidence grows, perhaps too aggressive as I drift too wide and brake too late on nearly every other corner all the way up to the back stretch, but I manage to keep the car going and the last 2 corners are pretty good. My next lap is rather poor though, but as I come to the end of it what do I see but a 1:57:47 for the previous lap staring back at me from the pit board. Yeah!! Ok, off to Monza where my best is 1:28.23. Now I'm getting the hang of this and I'm in the mid 1:28s pretty early, but can't quite put in a lap better than my current best time with a best of 1:28.37. Still, there are times when the cars well out of shape and yet I'm now able to somehow wrestle it all back in line so much easier. And then, on lap 16 a manage a 1:28.05. Great stuff!! So, all I can say is. "I'm a BELIEVER!!" Less than 35 laps with the new settings and already 2 new PBs. Now, how about that Ring time? :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

Peter Ives wrote: > <Snipped a GREAT story> > So, all I can say is. "I'm a BELIEVER!!" Less than 35 laps with the > new settings and already 2 new PBs. Now, how about that Ring time? :) Outstanding! Glad to see how well it worked for you. I can see there'll not be much sleep for you this weekend. ;-) -- Fester

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Mmm, this is not bad. I just did the same: 0%/0% deadzone, down from 5%/5% (already at almost fully linear). Went tooling around the Ring. Oh, much much nicer. It's as if someone went in and tightened a bunch of loose bolts. I no longer have to wait for the force feedback to transmit: it's always there. Glad the weekend's almost here. --Jeff

Mmmm... gonna try this myself. "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Right, downloaded DxTweak plus some other utils that I didn't use in the ><snip>

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> > So, all I can say is. "I'm a BELIEVER!!" Less than 35 laps with the > new settings and already 2 new PBs. Now, how about that Ring time? :) > -- > Peter Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

Peter please re-post or send it directly via my email! I can not find your post in my history here in r.a.s. [and I usually get all your posts!] Tia.. Thom_j. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QYxX6.40769$[email hidden]...

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| Mmmm... gonna try this myself. | | "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > Right, downloaded DxTweak plus some other utils that I didn't use in the | > | <snip> | > | > So, all I can say is. "I'm a BELIEVER!!" Less than 35 laps with the | > new settings and already 2 new PBs. Now, how about that Ring time? :) | > -- | > Peter Ives | > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying | > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me | > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08 | |

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This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :) Quote - "Right, downloaded DxTweak plus some other utils that I didn't use in the end... still, loaded up DxTweak and set my deadzone for both x and y axis to 0 and then booted up GPL. Reset my linearity just a tad more linear from its current setting of about 2/3rds non-linear proceeded to Rouen which was the next track that I had planned to practice on anyway. Whoa!! Cars a bit wobbly on the straight now coz I don't need to be so accentuated with the steering wheel, also I'm oversteering into corners and running up curbs a bit too much. Tell myself not to put so much input in, smaller is better. Mmm, this is not bad. Hard braking still in a straight line and first couple of laps aren't too shabby either. Under 2 mins but not near my PB of 1:57.79 with the wheel. I hit F3 and think about shifting slightly more linear and then, at the last possible second decide, 'Oh, Sod it!! Let's shift it right over!'. Back on track with full linear now and the car is now needing very little input to get the wheels turning. Once again plenty of oversteering towards curbs on the inside, but somehow what I'm sure would have been a big mess under the old settings I managed to grab hold of each time and keep the car going down the track. By lap 10 and the laps are getting better with some already in the low 1:58s and high 1:57s and then I manage one just 1/100th off my PB. I'm still not consistent, and I'm sure that with a lap that I get everything right on and my old time is going to tumble. By lap 16 I'm starting to get quite aggressive with my driving as my confidence grows, perhaps too aggressive as I drift too wide and brake too late on nearly every other corner all the way up to the back stretch, but I manage to keep the car going and the last 2 corners are pretty good. My next lap is rather poor though, but as I come to the end of it what do I see but a 1:57:47 for the previous lap staring back at me from the pit board. Yeah!! Ok, off to Monza where my best is 1:28.23. Now I'm getting the hang of this and I'm in the mid 1:28s pretty early, but can't quite put in a lap better than my current best time with a best of 1:28.37. Still, there are times when the cars well out of shape and yet I'm now able to somehow wrestle it all back in line so much easier. And then, on lap 16 a manage a 1:28.05. Great stuff!! So, all I can say is. "I'm a BELIEVER!!" Less than 35 laps with the new settings and already 2 new PBs. Now, how about that Ring time? :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08" End Quote "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jTyX6.24166$[email hidden]... > Peter please re-post or send it directly via my email! I can not find your > post in my history here in r.a.s. [and I usually get all your posts!] Tia.. > Thom_j.

Great Simon!! Thanx a heap!! Cheers Thom_j. "Simon Brown" wrote: | This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :)<snipped> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

This is exactly what I have been doing for 2yrs Simon..lol Plus I set all my steer locks [in my setups] to 11:1 to 8:1 Nutz huh? I love to barely touch the wheel and it turns!! Kinda' obvious with Peter's post and my really low steer locks...eh?? It works for me tho'.. Even more so now using my FF race wheel! Really nice! Now I wish I could get my times close to Peter's :o(...lol But its tuff using paddles for gas/brake, buttons for shifting and clutch plus steering all with my hands! I'll get there tho'..:-) Thanx Again for re-posting!! Thom_j. "Simon Brown" wrote: | This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :)<snipped> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

I've just tried moving the linearity bar from about 40% (-----+-------) to about 20% (---+---------) and the difference was immediate. It felt like I had a lot more control of the car, particularly in slow corners. I also tried moving it full left (+------------) but that may take a while to get used to, since the car is wobbling all over the place. I'm gonna stick with 20% for now. I also turned off the low-speed sterring-hack thingy (for getting out of the pits) since I thought it might be affecting my driving in the slow corners at the ring. Going well so far, just need some tranquilizers or pot or something to stop me tensing up in the second half of the lap at the ring ;) Hehe "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IxzX6.24257$[email hidden]...

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> This is exactly what I have been doing for 2yrs Simon..lol Plus I set all > my steer locks [in my setups] to 11:1 to 8:1 Nutz huh? I love to barely > touch the wheel and it turns!! Kinda' obvious with Peter's post and my > really low steer locks...eh?? It works for me tho'.. > Even more so now using my FF race wheel! Really nice! Now I wish > I could get my times close to Peter's :o(...lol But its tuff using paddles > for gas/brake, buttons for shifting and clutch plus steering all with my > hands! I'll get there tho'..:-) Thanx Again for re-posting!! Thom_j. > > "Simon Brown" wrote: > | This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :) > <snipped> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > >

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LYHX6.43265$[email hidden]... <snippage> > Going well so far, just need some tranquilizers or pot or something tostop > me tensing up in the second half of the lap at the ring ;) Hehe <and yet more snipped> I know exactly what you mean! When I know that I am on a good lap, I start to get a *seriously* raised pulse. By the time I'm rounding the bend before the long straight, the adrenaline levels in my body would probably constitute a medical emergency! This program should come with a health warning :-) Ian

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>This is exactly what I have been doing for 2yrs Simon..lol Plus I set all >my steer locks [in my setups] to 11:1 to 8:1 Nutz huh? I love to barely >touch the wheel and it turns!! Kinda' obvious with Peter's post and my >really low steer locks...eh?? It works for me tho'.. >Even more so now using my FF race wheel! Really nice! Now I wish >I could get my times close to Peter's :o(...lol But its tuff using paddles >for gas/brake, buttons for shifting and clutch plus steering all with my >hands! I'll get there tho'..:-) Thanx Again for re-posting!! Thom_j. > >"Simon Brown" wrote: >| This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :) ><snipped> > >

As a follow-up to my original post, my real, main worry was my ability to brake in a straight line. I was already having some problems under braking with my old settings where the car would just veer off unexpectedly during really hard braking from say top gear down to 2nd, and I had put this down to 'not enough deadzone' and 'too much linearity' even though I had it 2/3rds non-linear. So the last thing that I thought would be ideal was to go full linear with no deadzone. How wrong I was. If anything my braking in a straight line has become much improved. I can only put this down to the immediacy of corrections that I can make if I start to notice the front end drifting off the old straight and narrow. Still not perfect, but more consistent. :) One other thing, the Ring looks like becoming my nemesis more so than ever. On all other tracks with my new settings it has been relatively easy to improve my PBs. Not so at the Ring. Despite how hard I push in an attempt to eek out that extra bit of speed through and out of the corners, my times always end up about the same - 2 seconds off of my current PB and 15 seconds off of my old joystick time. You know that feeling when you have had what was definitely a storming lap and you breath a sigh of relief as you finally make it back to the s/f line, saying to yourself, 'That's gotta be quicker. I was really on the limit!'. Only to see the same old time pop up on the pitboard. Aaargghh!! After that I think to myself, 'But I can't go any faster. Surely I'm taking each corner as quickly as I can. It certainly feels that way.' However, I know that's not true because, what feels like a lap on the edge, would have been a bit of a cruise for the same laptime with my joystick and that's plain weird. And whilst I'm at it, one thing that really, really bugs me at the Ring is how easy the car spins out if you put even the smallest piece of your back wheel on the grass. I checked a replay after such an incident and the merest fraction of the edge of the outside rear tyre made contact and around I went. Grrrrr! Anyway, it's now the Ring all the way for me as I don't like to upload a new GPLrank until all tracks have been improved upon over the previous upload. Unfortunately that just leaves this one remaining track. Looks like I'm in for a looonnnggg night. :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -14.08

Simon RB2U, Wow! You mean I finally did do some good here on RAS? Holy Moly what will happen next? The 2nd coming?...lol Now, to be honest I thought everybody set there wheels up this way! These setups were given to me over 2yrs ago by my 'pal' aka mentor Tim Wheatley [but dont tell him ..ok??.<g>] Oops Alison too! Sorry my sweet classy race lady!! :-) For me putting the linear full left & use dxinput dropped my laptimes 2secs a track in only days, 2yrs ago.. Then I using a 14:1-12:1 steer lock but then came along my Tsw2 wheel! The clean smooth' action made the 14:1-12:1 steer'lock feel sloppy as "H". So I started using 12:1-10:1 steer lock and my laptimes dropped again 2-3seconds a track.. More at Spa!! Finally I got my Ferrari FF wheel & Wow!! Big differnce & now I could really 'fine tune' my wheel via' core.ini, game controller apps & more!! So now I can easily use 8:1-10:1 steer lock without any wheel scrubs & I turn my wheel at Rouen's hairpin less then 3"s to the right to get all the way around that turn!! I just love it! For me, less is more! Also it is much easier to try many of the hot shoes setups i.e. Huttu, Stewart, Pryden, Cote, Moses, RolandE Wheatley & so on this way! I'm no hotshoe or close [my gplrank show this..lol] but I can atleast give them a "tussle" for a few laps online!! :-) Anyway this is what I do.. *fwiw!!* Cheers Thom_j. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LYHX6.43265$[email hidden]... | I've just tried moving the linearity bar from about 40% (-----+-------) to | about 20% (---+---------) and the difference was immediate. It felt likeI | had a lot more control of the car, particularly in slow corners. I also | tried moving it full left (+------------) but that may take a while to get | used to, since the car is wobbling all over the place. | | I'm gonna stick with 20% for now. I also turned off the low-speed | sterring-hack thingy (for getting out of the pits) since I thought itmight | be affecting my driving in the slow corners at the ring. | | Going well so far, just need some tranquilizers or pot or something tostop | me tensing up in the second half of the lap at the ring ;) Hehe | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:IxzX6.24257$[email hidden]... | > This is exactly what I have been doing for 2yrs Simon..lol Plus I setall | > my steer locks [in my setups] to 11:1 to 8:1 Nutz huh? I love to barely | > touch the wheel and it turns!! Kinda' obvious with Peter's post and my | > really low steer locks...eh?? It works for me tho'.. | > Even more so now using my FF race wheel! Really nice! Now I wish | > I could get my times close to Peter's :o(...lol But its tuff usingpaddles

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| > for gas/brake, buttons for shifting and clutch plus steering all with my | > hands! I'll get there tho'..:-) Thanx Again for re-posting!! Thom_j. | > | > "Simon Brown" wrote: | > | This is what he posted, and what I'm gonna try Thom :) | > <snipped> | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 | > | > | |

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LOL@BothOfU'Allz... I am on serious meds anyway so my high is continuous [good or bad?..lol] Wanna buy some good dope? haha "Ian Riches" wrote: | I know exactly what you mean! | When I know that I am on a good lap, I start to get a *seriously* raised | pulse. By the time I'm rounding the bend before the long straight, the | adrenaline levels in my body would probably constitute a medicalemergency!

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| This program should come with a health warning :-) | Ian | "Simon Brown" wrote: | <snippage> | > Going well so far, just need some tranquilizers or pot or something to | stop | > me tensing up in the second half of the lap at the ring ;) Hehe | <and yet more snipped> |

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In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes <snip> > >Anyway, it's now the Ring all the way for me as I don't like to upload a >new GPLrank until all tracks have been improved upon over the previous >upload. Unfortunately that just leaves this one remaining track. Looks >like I'm in for a looonnnggg night. :) Hoo bloody Ray!! Didn't take that long after all. 8:18.80, only .2 better, but who cares? I don't. :) All managed from end of long straight near end of lap. Was probably about a second down on previous best and then made it all up from there. Yes!! -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06

Fwiw Peter, The Ring, The Ring, The Ring.. phew I avoided this track like the plague for years.. I just started running it with a vengeance last month and I was doing a horrible 10:43!! Yea' I know it stinks! But in 3weeks and about 30 laps later I'm down to a 9:02+.. I hope to be in the 8:35+range in a month.. I did say "hope"?...:-) The glassy slippery feeling I found was [a] setup & [b] taking turns in a higher gear rather then a lower gear but try to keep a mental note to be atleast within the 6k+rpm range. Anyway this is the way I did it & shooting for the 8+minute range next...lol! Hope this helps a bit... Thom_j. "Peter Ives"wrote: | Anyway, it's now the Ring all the way for me as I don't like to upload a | new GPLrank until all tracks have been improved upon over the previous | upload. Unfortunately that just leaves this one remaining track. Looks | like I'm in for a looonnnggg night. :) | -- | Peter Ives --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Peter do you have a repaly of oone of your 8minute ring laps? If so would you send it or maybe I could dnload it somwhere? Tia.. Any & all help appreciated :-) Thom_j.

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| Hoo bloody Ray!! Didn't take that long after all. 8:18.80, only .2 | better, but who cares? I don't. :) | | All managed from end of long straight near end of lap. Was probably | about a second down on previous best and then made it all up from there. | Yes!! | -- | Peter Ives | GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06

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Thanks for the advice Thom :) Hmm... I don't know whether I want to mess with setups yet. I've kinda got used to the feel of the default setups. Every time i've tried somone else's setups i've found them a total undriveable nightmare. Even Alison Hines x-file setups, which are supposed to be for novice drivers, they just wobble from side to side when putting the power down, and swerve off line under braking. Same thing with Gregger Huttus setups. (no offense to those two excellent drivers) They all seemed to be biassed to turn more, and slide more easily, and that just doesn't work for me. I'll see how I get on with the 20% linearity before changing anything else. Ok, time for a new PB at the ring :) "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JENX6.25187$[email hidden]...

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> Simon RB2U, > Wow! You mean I finally did do some good here on RAS? > Holy Moly what will happen next? The 2nd coming?...lol > Now, to be honest I thought everybody set there wheels up this way! > These setups were given to me over 2yrs ago by my 'pal' aka mentor > Tim Wheatley [but dont tell him ..ok??.<g>] Oops Alison too! Sorry > my sweet classy race lady!! :-) > For me putting the linear full left & use dxinput dropped my laptimes > 2secs a track in only days, 2yrs ago.. Then I using a 14:1-12:1 steer > lock but then came along my Tsw2 wheel! The clean smooth' action > made the 14:1-12:1 steer'lock feel sloppy as "H". So I started using > 12:1-10:1 steer lock and my laptimes dropped again 2-3seconds a > track.. More at Spa!! > Finally I got my Ferrari FF wheel & Wow!! Big differnce & now I > could really 'fine tune' my wheel via' core.ini, game controller apps > & more!! So now I can easily use 8:1-10:1 steer lock without any > wheel scrubs & I turn my wheel at Rouen's hairpin less then 3"s to > the right to get all the way around that turn!! I just love it! > For me, less is more! Also it is much easier to try many of the hot > shoes setups i.e. Huttu, Stewart, Pryden, Cote, Moses, RolandE > Wheatley & so on this way! I'm no hotshoe or close [my gplrank > show this..lol] but I can atleast give them a "tussle" for a few laps > online!! :-) Anyway this is what I do.. *fwiw!!* > Cheers Thom_j. >

Hehe :) That's *exactly* what I get. I also get the same thing in league races when I'm leading. I've got a theory about this. Occasionally when hotlapping at the ring, when I'm a bit tried, my mind wanders and my concentration goes, and then when I finally get my focus back, I realize i've done 50 or so perfect corners on 'auto-pilot'. Also the driving while I haven't been focussed is really smooth, natural and fast. So what I need is something to distract my concentration for a whole 8 minutes. Any ideas? "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9gnn8c$a19l9$[email hidden]...

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> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LYHX6.43265$[email hidden]... > > <snippage> > > > Going well so far, just need some tranquilizers or pot or something to > stop > > me tensing up in the second half of the lap at the ring ;) Hehe > > <and yet more snipped> > > I know exactly what you mean! > > When I know that I am on a good lap, I start to get a *seriously* raised > pulse. By the time I'm rounding the bend before the long straight, the > adrenaline levels in my body would probably constitute a medical

emergency! > > This program should come with a health warning :-) > > Ian > >

None that I can post on a non X-rated newsgroup <g> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TOPX6.48702$[email hidden]... > So what I need is something to distract my concentration for a whole 8 > minutes. Any ideas?

"Ahh" Go Ahead!! Cluck..Cluck..Cluck.....lol :-) "Rob Adams" wrote: | None that I can post on a non X-rated newsgroup <g> | | "Simon Brown" wrote: | > So what I need is something to distract my concentration for a whole 8 | > minutes. Any ideas? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

"Ahh" Go Ahead!! Cluck..Cluck..Cluck.....lol :-) | None that I can post on a non *** newsgroup <g> | | > So what I need is something to distract my concentration for a whole 8 | > minutes. Any ideas? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

In article <GxOX6.25209$[email hidden]>, Thom j. <[email hidden]> writes >Peter do you have a repaly of oone of your 8minute ring laps? If >so would you send it or maybe I could dnload it somwhere? Tia.. >Any & all help appreciated :-) Thom_j. Ok, which one(s) do you want? 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old wheel settings. 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why this time then? Plus I've got some decently quick joystick laps in the 8:05 range. The choice is yours. :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06

How's about all of the wheel ones? Jan. =--- "Peter Ives" wrote...

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> <snip> > Ok, which one(s) do you want? > > > 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. > 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old > wheel settings. > 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why > this time then?

Peter, Anyone you will share with me...lol :-) Hey I'm greedy. All 4 but if its via mail I guess it will be a meg deep, so 1 at a time, Please! Btw: Damm ur fast!! Phew! Poor wittle slow-azz me :o( boohoo Do I need to work on the Ring badly!! Yikes!!...lol Anyway 1 of 3-4 or all..ok? You decide.. TIA... Thom_j. "Peter Ives" wrote:

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| Ok, which one(s) do you want? | 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. | 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old wheel settings. | 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why this time then? | Plus I've got some decently quick joystick laps in the 8:05 range. | The choice is yours. :) | -- | Peter Ives

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>Peter, >Anyone you will share with me...lol :-) Hey I'm greedy. All 4 but >if its via mail I guess it will be a meg deep, so 1 at a time, Please! >Btw: Damm ur fast!! Phew! Poor wittle slow-azz me :o( boohoo >Do I need to work on the Ring badly!! Yikes!!...lol >Anyway 1 of 3-4 or all..ok? You decide.. TIA... Thom_j. > >"Peter Ives" wrote: >| Ok, which one(s) do you want? >| 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. >| 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old wheel settings. >| 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why this time then? >| Plus I've got some decently quick joystick laps in the 8:05 range. >| The choice is yours. :) >| --

Hey Peter - I'd like the 8:19 lap... That's about 12 seconds faster than my PB. Maybe I can gain HALF that... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Shush Eldred!! You make me look worse each day with your *low* Ring lap time dammit..:o(.. hahahaha "EldredP"wrote: | Hey Peter - | I'd like the 8:19 lap... That's about 12 seconds faster than my PB.Maybe I | can gain HALF that... | | Eldred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

You still stuck in the 8:30s Eldred? Me too. I did a lovely lap there a few days ago. I was convinced it was going to be a new PB, it felt really fast, but then I saw the pit board and it was 8:33, a second slower than my best. Bloody frustrating >:| ...but I think the key to going faster is to attack the course and use more throttle, to drive round, and not to drift round. Have you tried setting the steering to more linear, and turning off the drivers arms, and turning off the low speed steering hack? Also try racing with headphones on. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <v5VX6.26235$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Hey Peter - > I'd like the 8:19 lap... That's about 12 seconds faster than my PB.Maybe I

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>In article <v5VX6.26235$[email hidden]>, >"Thom j." ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Peter, >>Anyone you will share with me...lol :-) Hey I'm greedy. All 4 but >>if its via mail I guess it will be a meg deep, so 1 at a time, Please! >>Btw: Damm ur fast!! Phew! Poor wittle slow-azz me :o( boohoo >>Do I need to work on the Ring badly!! Yikes!!...lol >>Anyway 1 of 3-4 or all..ok? You decide.. TIA... Thom_j. >> >>"Peter Ives" wrote: >>| Ok, which one(s) do you want? >>| 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. >>| 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old wheel settings. >>| 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why this time then? >>| Plus I've got some decently quick joystick laps in the 8:05 range. >>| The choice is yours. :) >>| -- > >Hey Peter - >I'd like the 8:19 lap... That's about 12 seconds faster than my PB. Maybe I >can gain HALF that... >

Gee, looks like I'm in for some heavy emailing. :) Will send a bit later when I've got more time. Probably start in a couple of hours. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06

10Mb mailbox here... let'r rip!! ;-) Jan. =--- "Peter Ives" wrote...

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Peter Ur Aces!! :-) "Peter Ives" wrote:

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>Hehe :) That's *exactly* what I get. I also get the same thing in league >races when I'm leading. > >I've got a theory about this. Occasionally when hotlapping at the ring, >when I'm a bit tried, my mind wanders and my concentration goes, and then >when I finally get my focus back, I realize i've done 50 or so perfect >corners on 'auto-pilot'. Also the driving while I haven't been focussed is >really smooth, natural and fast. > >So what I need is something to distract my concentration for a whole 8 >minutes. Any ideas? >

Try listening to music while you drive. Probably Van Halen, or something you can turn up LOUD...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <pzSX6.1396$[email hidden]>, Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> writes >How's about all of the wheel ones? > Aaargh!!! Gonna have to send them separately. FROM:<[email hidden]> SIZE=6518459: host smtp.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.38]: 552 sorry, that message size exceeds my databytes limit (#5.3.4) Looks like 10mb, but not all at once. 8-)

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>Jan. >=--- > >"Peter Ives" wrote... >> <snip> >> Ok, which one(s) do you want? >> >> >> 8:18.80 - current best, but a bit ragged at times. >> 8:19.01 - just been beaten, but was run with old >> wheel settings. >> 8:23.11 - felt superb, neat, tidy and quick. Why >> this time then? > > >

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> You still stuck in the 8:30s Eldred? Me too. I did a lovely lap there > a few days ago. I was convinced it was going to be a new PB, it felt > really fast, but then I saw the pit board and it was 8:33, a second > slower than my best. Bloody frustrating >:| > > ...but I think the key to going faster is to attack the course and use > more throttle, to drive round, and not to drift round. >

I also think that you need to attack to get good time there. Recently, I've had a lap. At the 1/2 point I knew I was doing excellent lap, so I decided to make sure that I finish it. Nice clean smooth driving with no mistakes on the second half of the lap. Crash in the last corner. Damn! I've never crashed there before. I've looked at the lap in Replay Analyzer. I was more than 5 seconds faster than my PB at 50% mark. At 75% mark it was just a little over 2 second of gap (I lost more than 3 seconds without making mistakes). In the last corner just before I crashed I was almost a second slower than PB. Alex (alexti)

Sorry 'bout that. Got 'm now. That is to say, my smtp spy here at work says they're in my mailbox. I'll DL 'm when I get home. Thanks, Jan. =--- Peter Ives wrote... > > Aaargh!!! Gonna have to send them separately. ><snip>

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>You still stuck in the 8:30s Eldred? Me too. I did a lovely lap there a >few days ago. I was convinced it was going to be a new PB, it felt really >fast, but then I saw the pit board and it was 8:33, a second slower than my >best. Bloody frustrating >:| > >...but I think the key to going faster is to attack the course and use more >throttle, to drive round, and not to drift round. > >Have you tried setting the steering to more linear, and turning off the >drivers arms, and turning off the low speed steering hack? Also try racing >with headphones on.

8:32 currently. I ran a three lap session a couple of days ago - all times were over 8:45... I have the steering full linear now, driver arms were always off, haven't turned off the hack yet. Why use headphones? I'm very consistent, apparently. ReplayAnalyzer says my perfect lap would be 8:30...so it's not like I run an 8:15 pace on the front half, then screw up in the back half... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The headphones can help me focus at times, although I rarely use them to be honest. The funny thing is, an 8:22 lap doesn't feel much faster than 8:32. Also to get that time I did somewhere between 5 and 10 laps every day for 4 or 5 days. That's got to make a big difference, having done lots of recent laps. I'm just downloading your ring Ferrari lap from your website, so I'll see if theres anything I can suggest. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > 8:32 currently. I ran a three lap session a couple of days ago - alltimes > were over 8:45... I have the steering full linear now, driver arms werealways > off, haven't turned off the hack yet. Why use headphones? > I'm very consistent, apparently. ReplayAnalyzer says my perfect lap wouldbe > 8:30...so it's not like I run an 8:15 pace on the front half, then screwup in

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On 28 Jun 2001 13:17:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >8:32 currently. I ran a three lap session a couple of days ago - all times >were over 8:45... I have the steering full linear now, driver arms were always >off, haven't turned off the hack yet. Why use headphones? Oh I forgot to tell that, I turned the hack off a couple of days ago and I feel it helps a lot at the ring. The constant switch between slower and faster corners on the Ring are not really suited for using the hack. I turn it back on for track like Rouen, Mexico and Monaco though, easier to take the hairpins then. Headphones are quite usefull since you don't get disturbed by sounds from the outside. I also get drawn into a(ny) game much more when I wear headphones. Real fun is when I turn the lights out, put on my 3d glasses and wear my headphones. It's like -being there- :) Andre

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>I'm very consistent, apparently. ReplayAnalyzer says my perfect lap would be >8:30...so it's not like I run an 8:15 pace on the front half, then screw up in >the back half... > >Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Is there any way I can get hold of your 8:32 PB lap, Eldred? Is it on your website? Thanks, Simon. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bTG_6.10830$[email hidden]... > > I'm just downloading your ring Ferrari lap from your website, so I'll seeif > theres anything I can suggest.

In article <ItH_6.11103$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >Is there any way I can get hold of your 8:32 PB lap, Eldred? Is it on your >website? >Thanks, >Simon. I think that lap was set during a race, so I didn't upload it. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >Headphones are quite usefull since you don't get disturbed by sounds >from the outside. I also get drawn into a(ny) game much more when I >wear headphones. >Real fun is when I turn the lights out, put on my 3d glasses and wear >my headphones. It's like -being there- :) I live alone, so I don't have to worry about many distracting noises... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The depressing thing is, 8:22 is only 2% faster than 8:32, so it's not really surprising it doesn't feel any faster. Rob (who has done one 8:22 in his life and now struggles to get consistently under 8:30). "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bTG_6.10830$[email hidden]... > The funny thing is, an 8:22 lap doesn't feel much faster than 8:32.

Well Rob that just ruined my day as I cant get below 8:50 yet.. ;o( Gee I think I am reacting like Eldred? Is this a good thing?..lol Only j/k E.. :-)... "Rob Adams" wrote: | The depressing thing is, 8:22 is only 2% faster than 8:32, so it's not | really surprising it doesn't feel any faster. | | Rob (who has done one 8:22 in his life and now struggles to getconsistently | under 8:30). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Well Thom j, this should make it even worse: 8:50 is only about 5% slower than 8:22. Racing is all about those leeeetle teeeny differences... "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cSK_6.467$[email hidden]...

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> Well Rob that just ruined my day as I cant get below 8:50 yet.. ;o( > Gee I think I am reacting like Eldred? Is this a good thing?..lol > Only j/k E.. :-)... > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > | The depressing thing is, 8:22 is only 2% faster than 8:32, so it's not > | really surprising it doesn't feel any faster. > | > | Rob (who has done one 8:22 in his life and now struggles to get > consistently > | under 8:30). > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 > > >

Ok, well I downloaded your 8:38 in the Ferrari and noticed a few technical things you could improve on, but if you've done an 8:32 which is obviously six seconds faster, you may have already fixed them. Either way this is meant to be constructive- First, braking into turn one, I see a huge column of thick smoke coming from your brakes. I'm sure you've read this before but if the brakes are locked you are losing braking effeciency and risking a spin. The tyres shouldn't stop rotating and there shouldn't be any smoke. Gentlty squeeze the brakes. Having said that, you only locked the brakes a few times really on the rest of the lap. Second, up-shifts. You're not getting the best acceleration from your Ferrari because you are shifting too short of the red-line. The red-line is 11,000 on the Ferrari, and a normal shift should be 10,500 to 10,800. Between 10,000 and 10,800 the car is still accelerating really well. If you shift at 10,000, you end up with too low revs in the next gear, which compromises the cars acceleration. Try to get used to shifting 500+ rpm higher. Those are just a few little technical details, the main problem I can see with your Ring lap is that you don't have really *intimate* track knowledge. By that I mean your driving style generally seems quite tentative, like you don't know how fast you should be taking a lot of the corners. Looking at your other times on GPLRank, there's no way you are a slow driver, most of your times are every bit as good as mine, so you must a better driver than that lap shows. There's lots of corners you're not getting the power down properly out of, and bits where you should be flat out but aren't. The only way to fix this is to do a lot of laps in a short space of time, so the laps count. What you gain in terms of track knowledge from driving a lap soon fades, so you have to do lots of laps together over a week or two. Also, you could try driving the Cooper. The Ferrari can be a bit wobbly under braking from time to time, whereas the Cooper is really well behaved. You should find you are more confident in the Cooper and can attack the track more. Then when you feel you're pushing the Cooper to it's limits and getting consistent with it, switch back to the Ferrari and you should beat your PB. You're probably thinking I've got a cheek to speak badly of your driving when I was only 2 seconds faster than you on GPLRank this time last week ;) I've uploaded my PB lap here - http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/replay.zip if you want to take a look. Don't worry about the time, and forget it's in a Lotus, just look at the general 'approach', the amount of throttle I use, particularly in the middle and exit of corners. I think seeing it should convince you how much better you need to learn the track to improve. Good luck :) Simon. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I think that lap was set during a race, so I didn't upload it. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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Now Rob if I could only steal that 5% from the wrotten Ring!! Phew "Rob Adams" wrote: | Well Thom j, this should make it even worse: 8:50 is only about 5% slower | than 8:22. Racing is all about those leeeetle teeeny differences... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

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>Ok, well I downloaded your 8:38 in the Ferrari and noticed a few technical >things you could improve on, but if you've done an 8:32 which is obviously >six seconds faster, you may have already fixed them. Either way this is >meant to be constructive- > >First, braking into turn one, I see a huge column of thick smoke coming from >your brakes. I'm sure you've read this before but if the brakes are locked >you are losing braking effeciency and risking a spin. The tyres shouldn't >stop rotating and there shouldn't be any smoke. Gentlty squeeze the brakes. >Having said that, you only locked the brakes a few times really on the rest >of the lap.

It's supposed to be threshold braking. If the tires don't lock when I brake, the car doesn't seem to slow down.

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> >Second, up-shifts. You're not getting the best acceleration from your >Ferrari because you are shifting too short of the red-line. The red-line is >11,000 on the Ferrari, and a normal shift should be 10,500 to 10,800. >Between 10,000 and 10,800 the car is still accelerating really well. If you >shift at 10,000, you end up with too low revs in the next gear, which >compromises the cars acceleration. Try to get used to shifting 500+ rpm >higher. >

To tell you the truth, I shift purely by sound. When it sounds like the engine is revving too high, I shift. I couldn't tell you *where*(number-wise) I shift, because I don't know what the markings on the tach represent. I couldn't find the gauges explained clearly enough anywhere, and don't even look at them...

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>Those are just a few little technical details, the main problem I can see >with your Ring lap is that you don't have really *intimate* track knowledge. >By that I mean your driving style generally seems quite tentative, like you >don't know how fast you should be taking a lot of the corners. Looking at >your other times on GPLRank, there's no way you are a slow driver, most of >your times are every bit as good as mine, so you must a better driver than >that lap shows. There's lots of corners you're not getting the power down >properly out of, and bits where you should be flat out but aren't. >

Well, I know where the track goes, meaning I know what the next turn is. But you're correct, I don't know how fast to take the corners. The only thing I can know for sure is when it's too fast, because at that point I'm sliding backwards towards something. But the thing is, I *already* feel like I'm on the limit(just barely staying on the track). It's hard for me to see how I can take a particular corner FASTER than I am now...

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>The only way to fix this is to do a lot of laps in a short space of time, so >the laps count. What you gain in terms of track knowledge from driving a >lap soon fades, so you have to do lots of laps together over a week or two. >Also, you could try driving the Cooper. The Ferrari can be a bit wobbly >under braking from time to time, whereas the Cooper is really well behaved. >You should find you are more confident in the Cooper and can attack the >track more. Then when you feel you're pushing the Cooper to it's limits and >getting consistent with it, switch back to the Ferrari and you should beat >your PB.

We'll see. I've run 15 laps over a weekend before, with no improvement. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On 28 Jun 2001 13:17:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>8:32 currently. I ran a three lap session a couple of days ago - all >>times were over 8:45... I have the steering full linear now, driver >>arms were always off, haven't turned off the hack yet. Why use >>headphones? > > Oh I forgot to tell that, I turned the hack off a couple of days ago > and I feel it helps a lot at the ring. The constant switch between > slower and faster corners on the Ring are not really suited for using > the hack. I turn it back on for track like Rouen, Mexico and Monaco > though, easier to take the hairpins then.

I know I should not be saying that, but in Mexico enabled hack costs a lot of time, because it messes up very important section between hairpin and esses. When I turned it off I got almost 1 sec improvement. To some extent it also applies to Rouen (again the section after the hairpin). But of course, it is only my opinion :) Alex (alexti)

Well, there's nothing wrong with shifting on sound, just wait till the sound is a little higher :) I don't know which Ferrari you've got installed, but with the one I have, the red-line stops on the figure "11" if you rev the engine in neutral. In the Ferrari I shift just before this, on about 10.8, whereas you shift about on the "10". It's not a big deal, but it will mean you don't quite have optimum acceleration. Actually, just on sound, what i've done with my copy of GPL is found an engine sound I liked and copied it for all the cars, so they all sound the same. I then edited each individual engine sound to change the pitch for each car so that when they were all at max revs they all produce the same pitch (or note). Now, whatever car I'm in, I always shift on the same pitch. This makes switching between cars extremely easy, plus I think it's helped my driving in general. On braking, a few months ago, I used to leave a massive trail of black smoke into every braking zone :) particularly in long braking zones, like before lesmo 1 and parabolica at Monza. Now I use less brake pedal, brake later and spin way less. Obviously my Monza time is only 0.01 better than yours so I'm not claiming to be a Monza expert, but I think most drivers would advise you to work on this. You'd probably be amazed at how deep into parabolica a real top driver (Huttu etc) can brake, plus they brake in a curve and not a straight line, and it's impossible to do these things if the brakes are locked. 15 laps in a weekend is a lot, you're right. You probably don't have the free time to bo doing that same amount per day over a whole week, especially when there's no guarantee it'd help. You need to convince your brain that you should be going quicker. Before Christmas I was stuck on 8:48. I also couldn't see how it was possible to go faster, since it was a really nice clean lap in the Lotus. I did loads of laps trying to beat it, to the point of total frustration. I had just about given up and decided to do one last flying lap. I screwed up my last lap on the first turn!! I was so totally pi**ed off that I drove the rest of the lap in a minor rage, attacking every corner, not giving a damn whether I crashed or not. Half way through the lap I noticed how much faster than usual I was driving, and when I finished the lap it was about 8:50 (IIRC) with about 15 seconds of time lost in spins. The next day I was able to drive in the same agressive manner, do a clean lap and got to 8:35, and then 8:32 a few days after that. Since you seem to be stuck, I think you should try something like this. Do some laps but not going for a PB, just forget the time, don't worry if you crash 50 times, just try to take every single corner a lot more agressively (and quicker) than you usually do. Just go into every corner 15-20% faster and see if the cars comes out the other end. I've seen from your 8:38 that you know how to avoid spins and when to correct the car, so I'm convinved you have the skill to control the car at higher speeds. :) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <a_L_6.14187$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > It's supposed to be threshold braking. If the tires don't lock when Ibrake, ><snip>

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> > We'll see. I've run 15 laps over a weekend before, with no improvement. > > Eldred > > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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>Well, there's nothing wrong with shifting on sound, just wait till the sound >is a little higher :) I don't know which Ferrari you've got installed, but >with the one I have, the red-line stops on the figure "11" if you rev the >engine in neutral. In the Ferrari I shift just before this, on about 10.8, >whereas you shift about on the "10". It's not a big deal, but it will mean >you don't quite have optimum acceleration. >

Thanks. I'm using the standard cockpit. I never knew what the markings were. Even if I did, I didn't know where I was *supposed* to shift anyway.

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> >On braking, a few months ago, I used to leave a massive trail of black smoke >into every braking zone :) particularly in long braking zones, like before >lesmo 1 and parabolica at Monza. Now I use less brake pedal, brake later >and spin way less. Obviously my Monza time is only 0.01 better than yours >so I'm not claiming to be a Monza expert, but I think most drivers would >advise you to work on this. You'd probably be amazed at how deep into >parabolica a real top driver (Huttu etc) can brake, plus they brake in a >curve and not a straight line, and it's impossible to do these things if the >brakes are locked.

Yeah, I've seen those laps - amazing. When I tried to brake in the same spot, I slid right off the track. I've had other people tell me I need to brake earlier, though... >15 laps in a weekend is a lot, you're right. You probably don't have the >free time to bo doing that same amount per day over a whole week, especially >when there's no guarantee it'd help. You need to convince your brain that >you should be going quicker. Oh, I know that I *should* be going quicker...<g>

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> >Before Christmas I was stuck on 8:48. I also couldn't see how it was >possible to go faster, since it was a really nice clean lap in the Lotus. I >did loads of laps trying to beat it, to the point of total frustration. I >had just about given up and decided to do one last flying lap. I screwed up >my last lap on the first turn!! I was so totally pi**ed off that I drove >the rest of the lap in a minor rage, attacking every corner, not giving a >damn whether I crashed or not. Half way through the lap I noticed how much >faster than usual I was driving, and when I finished the lap it was about >8:50 (IIRC) with about 15 seconds of time lost in spins.

Yeah, I've had the same thing happen. For the longest time, my PB was a lap that included a spin. I couldn't even get close on a clean lap...

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> >The next day I was able to drive in the same agressive manner, do a clean >lap and got to 8:35, and then 8:32 a few days after that. > >Since you seem to be stuck, I think you should try something like this. Do >some laps but not going for a PB, just forget the time, don't worry if you >crash 50 times, just try to take every single corner a lot more agressively >(and quicker) than you usually do. Just go into every corner 15-20% faster >and see if the cars comes out the other end. I've seen from your 8:38 that >you know how to avoid spins and when to correct the car, so I'm convinved >you have the skill to control the car at higher speeds.

Hehe..."see if the car comes out the other end..." I like that<g>. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Well, I know where the track goes, meaning I know what the next turn is.But > you're correct, I don't know how fast to take the corners. The only thingI > can know for sure is when it's too fast, because at that point I'm sliding > backwards towards something. > But the thing is, I *already* feel like I'm on the limit(just barelystaying on > the track). It's hard for me to see how I can take a particular cornerFASTER > than I am now... You're too old, Eldred :-) The fast guys are 16-25 years old. Those of us older than 25 probably have had too many scary experiences in real life driving at public roads to challenge the limits of GPL. I studied your fast laps about a year ago. I was the one stating that you drove as you actually had payed for the car. You drive too cleanly to be really fast :-) I'll admit that I haven't studied your laps since then, but from your postings, I'm led to believe that you still are struggling with some simple facts: Using the whole track improves lap times. You should have a slight understeer at the entry of almost every turn (because of the high slip angles in GPL, grip is better when turning the wheel slightly more than what seems visually sensible). If driving the Lotus: Accelerate in 2nd or 3rd, even though 1st or 2nd feels more natural. Higher gears reduces wheelspin, which in he long run improves lap times. Good corner exits are *far* more important than braking late. Braking late is easy. Having good corner exits are hard. You may gain a 10th of a second by braking late. But you'll probably have a slide, reducing exit speed. The lack of exit speed will result in lower speed at the following straight. This lack of speed lasts for a longer period of time than the time gained by late braking. Naturally, the longer the straights, or the more straights, the bigger is the time loss by too late braking. Besides: If your tires are squealing while braking in a straight line, you're braking too hard. Braking distance will be shortened if you manage to brake at the edge of squealing (I''l admint that my tires squeals as well; it's a psychological thing: If the tires don't squeal, I think I can brake some more). Jon Andersen, drives like his GPL car was a rental car