F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

Found this posted at High Gear yesterday. Obviously it was never delayed by FIA as Ubisoft would have us believe. UbiSoft Official F1RC Patch Statement 12:00 cet (+1 GMT) | by Kenneth Verburg | Source: UbiSoft UbiSoft UK has released an official statement on their website concerning the long-due F1 Racing Championship patch: We can understand if you are getting impatient waiting for our next patch to become available. The availability date had to be pushed back to allow us to improve the content and effects. The patch is presently in the hands of our development teams in charge of implementing the necessary modifications. Please try to understand that we don't wish to disappoint our faithful players or lose their confidence, but we are nevertheless bound by technical constraints that impose a further delay. We thank you for having just a little more patience and we want to ensure you that we are doing everything in our power to speed up the process. Best Regards from, The Ubi Soft Consumer Department.

Scalawag wrote:

Quoted text (20 lines)

> > Found this posted at High Gear yesterday. Obviously it was never > delayed by FIA as Ubisoft would have us believe. > > UbiSoft Official F1RC Patch Statement > 12:00 cet (+1 GMT) | by Kenneth Verburg | Source: UbiSoft > > UbiSoft UK has released an official statement on their website > concerning the long-due F1 Racing Championship patch: > > We can understand if you are getting impatient waiting for our next > patch to become available. The availability date had to be pushed back > to allow us to improve the content and effects. The patch is presently > in the hands of our development teams in charge of implementing the > necessary modifications. Please try to understand that we don't wish > to disappoint our faithful players or lose their confidence, but we > are nevertheless bound by technical constraints that impose a further > delay. We thank you for having just a little more patience and we want > to ensure you that we are doing everything in our power to speed up > the process. Best Regards from, The Ubi Soft Consumer Department.

There ya go DGF. Put *that* in your pipe & smoke it. Ubi-Lover. -- Fester

No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in their pipe and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all! This info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. Iain

Quoted text (8 lines)

> > There ya go DGF. Put *that* in your pipe & smoke it. > > Ubi-Lover. > > -- > > Fester

Quoted text (11 lines)

>"Scalawag" <[email hidden]> wrote > We can understand if you are getting impatient waiting for our next > patch to become available. The availability date had to be pushed back > to allow us to improve the content and effects. The patch is presently > in the hands of our development teams in charge of implementing the > necessary modifications. Please try to understand that we don't wish > to disappoint our faithful players or lose their confidence, but we > are nevertheless bound by technical constraints that impose a further > delay. We thank you for having just a little more patience and we want > to ensure you that we are doing everything in our power to speed up > the process. Best Regards from, The Ubi Soft Consumer Department.

Wow, that's pretty gutsy by them. I applaud their decision to stop bullshiteying with FIA-approval lies and excuses. The truth finally gets out. We were right, the troll was wrong. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

If you followed the statements by the Ubi Soft and Actualize people, you'd know the patch did go for approval, but Ubi decided to work on it further after not being satisified, and hearing concerns of users. Do you think there was just one single copy of the patch, and once they sent it to the FIA, they couldn't work on it anymore? You're more wrong than anyone. This statement has been out for at least a week. You said there wouldn't be any patch at all. LOL. Troll. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k85X6.5701$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (30 lines)

> >"Scalawag" <[email hidden]> wrote > > We can understand if you are getting impatient waiting for our next > > patch to become available. The availability date had to be pushed back > > to allow us to improve the content and effects. The patch is presently > > in the hands of our development teams in charge of implementing the > > necessary modifications. Please try to understand that we don't wish > > to disappoint our faithful players or lose their confidence, but we > > are nevertheless bound by technical constraints that impose a further > > delay. We thank you for having just a little more patience and we want > > to ensure you that we are doing everything in our power to speed up > > the process. Best Regards from, The Ubi Soft Consumer Department. > > > > Wow, that's pretty gutsy by them. I applaud their decision to stop > bullshiteying with FIA-approval lies and excuses. The truth finally gets > out. We were right, the troll was wrong. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

I feel like everything has to be explained to some of you because you are unable or unwilling to think things through on your own. Sort of like little children. That's ok, I'll hold your hand while you cross the street. There will be graphical changes in the patch. If the graphics are changed, then that is something that has to be checked by the FIA. If an advertisement on a car is a little too large, they want it fixed. Do they care about a controller bug fix? Doubtful. Your stance that the FIA doesn't have anything to do with these F1 games is really stupid, do you know that? Why the h*ll did Ubi make MGPRS2 with fictitious graphics? Answer: NO LICENSE FROM THE FIA. David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k85X6.5701$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (30 lines)

> >"Scalawag" <[email hidden]> wrote > > We can understand if you are getting impatient waiting for our next > > patch to become available. The availability date had to be pushed back > > to allow us to improve the content and effects. The patch is presently > > in the hands of our development teams in charge of implementing the > > necessary modifications. Please try to understand that we don't wish > > to disappoint our faithful players or lose their confidence, but we > > are nevertheless bound by technical constraints that impose a further > > delay. We thank you for having just a little more patience and we want > > to ensure you that we are doing everything in our power to speed up > > the process. Best Regards from, The Ubi Soft Consumer Department. > > > > Wow, that's pretty gutsy by them. I applaud their decision to stop > bullshiteying with FIA-approval lies and excuses. The truth finally gets > out. We were right, the troll was wrong. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > I feel like everything has to be explained to some of you because you are > unable or unwilling to think things through on your own. Sort of likelittle > children. That's ok, I'll hold your hand while you cross the street. Teeheehee thou are superior, we worship thou. > There will be graphical changes in the patch. If the graphics are changed, > then that is something that has to be checked by the FIA. Bwahahahahaha. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > You said there wouldn't be any patch at all. LOL. Another time, post proof or retract. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0G6X6.6600$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > There will be graphical changes in the patch. If the graphics arechanged, > > then that is something that has to be checked by the FIA. > > Bwahahahahaha. > Good non-answer. Explain MGPRS2 and the fictitious graphics. David G Fisher

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Explain MGPRS2 and the fictitious graphics. You are completely mixing two different situations, for the sake of trolling. You won't ever achieve anything here DGF. You are a complete 100% troll failure. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Thought so. Talking out your ass as usual. Your wrong about Ubi once again. I don't know if you thought you had a job there once, and then they told you to piss off instead, but you need to get over your Ubi bashing fixation and get on with your life. DGF "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gP6X6.6703$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (20 lines)

> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Explain MGPRS2 and the fictitious graphics. > > > You are completely mixing two different situations, for the sake of > trolling. You won't ever achieve anything here DGF. You are a complete > 100% troll failure. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Talking out your ass as usual. lmao pot, meet kettle. > Your wrong about Ubi once again No, you are (and you are wrong about the Papy FF). Post proof or retract. You do not want to post proof, thus you will need to retract. > I don't know if you thought you had a job > there once, and then they told you to piss off instead, but you need toget > over your Ubi bashing fixation and get on with your life. yeah it's so important in my life <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I agree Fran�ois and this mystery can be put to rest...lol Hey DGF!! Ubi still has Me PO'ed tho!!! :o)~ Thom_j. "ymenard" wrote: | Wow, that's pretty gutsy by them. I applaud their decision to stop | bullshiteying with FIA-approval lies and excuses. The truth finally gets | out. We were right, the troll was wrong. | -- | -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Hey Wait DGF aka Sim God!!! I did!!!!!! F1RC2... hahahaha :o)~ Lucifer is really in me today!! Eeeeeeeck.. "David G Fisher" wrote: | You said there wouldn't be any patch at all. LOL. | Troll. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

I'm as wrong about the Papy ff issue as I was about Montoya. How's he doing BTW? Crashed out of the last two races. Only finished one race so far this season. R. Schumacher has won two, and qualified higher than him in every race but one (by .7 the past two races). Villeneuve wanted to kick his ass, and Frank Williams has told him to get his act together. Even his dad says he needs a new approach. Yea, I sure was wrong about him. David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V98X6.7612$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (29 lines)

> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Talking out your ass as usual. > > lmao pot, meet kettle. > > > > Your wrong about Ubi once again > > No, you are (and you are wrong about the Papy FF). Post proof or retract. > You do not want to post proof, thus you will need to retract. > > > I don't know if you thought you had a job > > there once, and then they told you to piss off instead, but you need to > get > > over your Ubi bashing fixation and get on with your life. > > yeah it's so important in my life <G> > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

There stupid?? hahaha Damn I aint on no bagel I'm on a roll now!! Lookout .. :o)~ "David G Fisher" wrote: | Why the h*ll did Ubi make MGPRS2 with fictitious graphics? | David G Fisher --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Woo Fran�ois!! Dese be fighten' words!! Gett'him For a self proclaimed intellect you sure are fowl mouthed DGF and what poor use of the King's English!! My Oh My!! Phew.. "David G Fisher" wrote: | Thought so. | Talking out your ass as usual. | Your wrong about Ubi once again. I don't know if you thought you had a job | there once, and then they told you to piss off instead, but you need toget | over your Ubi bashing fixation and get on with your life. | DGF --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in their pipe > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all! This > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > Iain Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a bit of a tangent. -- Fester

David G Fisher wrote:

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > I'm as wrong about the Papy ff issue as I was about Montoya. > > How's he doing BTW? > > Crashed out of the last two races. Only finished one race so far this > season. R. Schumacher has won two, and qualified higher than him in every > race but one (by .7 the past two races). Villeneuve wanted to kick his ass, > and Frank Williams has told him to get his act together. Even his dad says > he needs a new approach. > > Yea, I sure was wrong about him.

He's a rookie, for Chrissake. He's got more points than Zanardi had! :-p -- Fester

You do realize that a patch can be worked on, thought completed (maybe even sent off for approval from the FIA), and then re-evaluated due to continued testing, private beta tester feedback, and public feedback? The developers/publisher then may issue a new statement regarding the status. In my beta testing experience, this is very, very, very, very, very, very common. No propaganda is needed, especially since this isn't an issue that will make national headlines in the media. David G Fisher "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in theirpipe > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all!This

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > > Iain > > > Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting > FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others > didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a > bit of a tangent. > > -- > > Fester

It was Fun too Uncle F.. :-) "Uncle Fester" wrote: | Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a | bit of a tangent. | -- | Fester --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

I would think companies would want to go ahead and release the patch they have that at least fixes some of the issues, and start work on a second patch for issues that arose late in development or release. Don Burnette "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WP9X6.20716$[email hidden]... > You do realize that a patch can be worked on, thought completed (maybeeven > sent off for approval from the FIA), and then re-evaluated due tocontinued

Quoted text (16 lines)

> testing, private beta tester feedback, and public feedback? The > developers/publisher then may issue a new statement regarding the status. > > In my beta testing experience, this is very, very, very, very, very, very > common. No propaganda is needed, especially since this isn't an issue that > will make national headlines in the media. > > David G Fisher > > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in

their

Quoted text (16 lines)

> pipe > > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all! > This > > > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > > > Iain > > > > > > Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting > > FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others > > didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a > > bit of a tangent. > > > > -- > > > > Fester >

That's exactly the way Ubi used to patch their games. I prefer that. Although, they and others (like MF for RC2000) will be criticized for that approach as well. Now, maybe due to Actualize, Ubi Soft have taken the same approach as Papyrus (two months for N4 patch). David G Fisher "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I_9X6.164410$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (15 lines)

> I would think companies would want to go ahead and release the patch they > have that at least fixes some of the issues, and start work on a second > patch for issues that arose late in development or release. > > Don Burnette > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WP9X6.20716$[email hidden]... > > You do realize that a patch can be worked on, thought completed (maybe > even > > sent off for approval from the FIA), and then re-evaluated due to > continued > > testing, private beta tester feedback, and public feedback? The > > developers/publisher then may issue a new statement regarding the

status. > > > > In my beta testing experience, this is very, very, very, very, very,very > > common. No propaganda is needed, especially since this isn't an issuethat

Quoted text (22 lines)

> > will make national headlines in the media. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > > > > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in > their > > pipe > > > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all! > > This > > > > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting > > > FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others > > > didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on

a

Quoted text (8 lines)

> > > bit of a tangent. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fester > > > >

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:18:57 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Why the h*ll did Ubi make MGPRS2 with fictitious graphics? >Answer: NO LICENSE FROM THE FIA. Cheap bastards, that's why.

That's hardly a fair comparison. Ralf has competed in about 75 Grand Prix, whereas JPM is a rookie. I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached his 75th GP. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ft8X6.20366$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (7 lines)

> I'm as wrong about the Papy ff issue as I was about Montoya. > > How's he doing BTW? > > Crashed out of the last two races. Only finished one race so far this > season. R. Schumacher has won two, and qualified higher than him in every > race but one (by .7 the past two races). Villeneuve wanted to kick his

ass,

Quoted text (7 lines)

> and Frank Williams has told him to get his act together. Even his dad says > he needs a new approach. > > Yea, I sure was wrong about him. > > David G Fisher >

He's hardly a rookie race car driver. They are only a few months apart in age, and Montoya was a test driver for Williams, and won the CART championship in '99. He spent two years in F3000. His attitude has been just as bad as his driving. David G Fisher "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h2dX6.33250$[email hidden]... > That's hardly a fair comparison. Ralf has competed in about 75 GrandPrix,

Quoted text (13 lines)

> whereas JPM is a rookie. > > I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached his > 75th GP. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ft8X6.20366$[email hidden]... > > I'm as wrong about the Papy ff issue as I was about Montoya. > > > > How's he doing BTW? > > > > Crashed out of the last two races. Only finished one race so far this > > season. R. Schumacher has won two, and qualified higher than him in

every > > race but one (by .7 the past two races). Villeneuve wanted to kick his > ass, > > and Frank Williams has told him to get his act together. Even his dadsays

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > he needs a new approach. > > > > Yea, I sure was wrong about him. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > >

I agree he's hardly a rookie, but neither was Zanardi. He'd even been in F1 before, back in 90 or 91. JPM just needs to calm down a bit, but at least he's entertaining, something different from the robots that most of the others tend to be. Rafe Mc On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:25:31 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (40 lines)

>He's hardly a rookie race car driver. They are only a few months apart in >age, and Montoya was a test driver for Williams, and won the CART >championship in '99. He spent two years in F3000. > >His attitude has been just as bad as his driving. > >David G Fisher > > >"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:h2dX6.33250$[email hidden]... >> That's hardly a fair comparison. Ralf has competed in about 75 Grand >Prix, >> whereas JPM is a rookie. >> >> I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached his >> 75th GP. >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:ft8X6.20366$[email hidden]... >> > I'm as wrong about the Papy ff issue as I was about Montoya. >> > >> > How's he doing BTW? >> > >> > Crashed out of the last two races. Only finished one race so far this >> > season. R. Schumacher has won two, and qualified higher than him in >every >> > race but one (by .7 the past two races). Villeneuve wanted to kick his >> ass, >> > and Frank Williams has told him to get his act together. Even his dad >says >> > he needs a new approach. >> > >> > Yea, I sure was wrong about him. >> > >> > David G Fisher >> > >> >> >>

As you know F3000 don't race every F1 track, plus there's a difference between driving a track, and driving a track in a particular car. Ralf has done all the tracks *four* times before *in an F1 car*. JPM has done half a season in an F1 car and some testing. Champ Cars have slick tyres and turbos, so it's quite a switch to go to F1 cars. As for his attitude, he's made one stupid naive comment to Villeneuve in the middle of a heated argument. Big deal. I remember Michael Schumacher accusing DC of trying to kill him at Spa, which was even more ludicrous. Having watched Montoya for the last two years in CART, I think he's an exceptional natural talent. Sure he's making mistakes at the moment, but what did Mika Hakkinen spend his first year in F1 doing? Casuing a shunt at the first turn of every other race, and now he's a double world champion, so I think it's a little early to be writing Montoya off completely. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v9hX6.22324$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (9 lines)

> He's hardly a rookie race car driver. They are only a few months apart in > age, and Montoya was a test driver for Williams, and won the CART > championship in '99. He spent two years in F3000. > > His attitude has been just as bad as his driving. > > David G Fisher > >

David G Fisher wrote: > > He's hardly a rookie race car driver. They are only a few months apart in > age, and Montoya was a test driver for Williams, and won the CART > championship in '99. He spent two years in F3000. > > His attitude has been just as bad as his driving. I never said he was a "rookie race car driver". He's a rookie in the competitive ranks of F1. But then you knew that. Watch where he's at in a few year's time. -- Fester

>How's he doing BTW? He's doing a fine impression of Ralf Schumacher's first F1 season :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

What is incorrect? I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this post for some time now. Don't know what you mean I'm afraid. Iain "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in theirpipe > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all!This

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > > Iain > > > Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting > FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others > didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a > bit of a tangent. > > -- > > Fester

I won't be - unless he changes his attitude completely! Iain > I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached his > 75th GP. >

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:55:25 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What is incorrect? >I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this >post for some time now. >Don't know what you mean I'm afraid. >Iain Then why didn't you or DGF post it here for the rest of us?

That's a short sighted attitude. Look at Mika Hakkinen's first season in F1, he couldn't get past the first corner without causing a shunt, and now he's a double world champion. It took Ralf 70 races to get his first win. JPM will inevitably calm down as he gets older and more mature. At the moment he's just a typical young Colombian driver, hot-headed and excitable. His talent is beyond doubt, rookie CART champion, Indy 500 winner, and but for a backmarker he would have won only his second ever GP. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:37sX6.14678$[email hidden]... > I won't be - unless he changes his attitude completely! > Iain > > > > I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reachedhis > > 75th GP. > > > > >

A 20 year old Jenson Button didn't seem to have the same kind of troubles as Montoya is having . 19 year old Raikkonen is doing very well this year compared to his more experienced teammate. Montoya has a huge advantage over the other drivers mentioned (Zanardi, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button) in that he has a car that can not only compete with the Ferrari and McLaren, but sometimes be the best on the grid as in Montreal. David G Fisher "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SqnX6.35900$[email hidden]... > As you know F3000 don't race every F1 track, plus there's a difference > between driving a track, and driving a track in a particular car. Ralfhas > done all the tracks *four* times before *in an F1 car*. JPM has done halfa > season in an F1 car and some testing. Champ Cars have slick tyres and > turbos, so it's quite a switch to go to F1 cars.

Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > What is incorrect? > I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this > post for some time now. > Don't know what you mean I'm afraid. > Iain Afraid? Don't know what you're talking about there. <shrug> -- Fester > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in their > pipe > > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all! > This > > > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway. > > > Iain > > > > > > Incorrect. It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting > > FIA approval". Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others > > didn't. Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a > > bit of a tangent.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v9hX6.22324$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (8 lines)

> He's hardly a rookie race car driver. They are only a few months apart in > age, and Montoya was a test driver for Williams, and won the CART > championship in '99. He spent two years in F3000. > > His attitude has been just as bad as his driving. > > David G Fisher >

Can't disagree with that really- Montoya has potential I think but he's not there yet, and his temper needs, er, tempering ;o). For the definition of a good rookie, look at Kimi Raikkonen- you don't see him brawling in drivers briefings. cheers John

I answered your points, if you won't do me the same courtesy, the debate becomes pointless. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZotX6.23585$[email hidden]... > A 20 year old Jenson Button didn't seem to have the same kind of troublesas

Quoted text (7 lines)

> Montoya is having . > > 19 year old Raikkonen is doing very well this year compared to his more > experienced teammate. > > Montoya has a huge advantage over the other drivers mentioned (Zanardi, > Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button) in that he has a car that can not only

compete > with the Ferrari and McLaren, but sometimes be the best on the grid as in > Montreal. > > David G Fisher

I did answer your points by giving you examples of other, younger drivers with less experience who are/have outperformed him and behave more maturely. BTW, Montoya has not only been an ass with Vliieneuve, but his comments about Schumacher were also immature. David G Fisher "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UkuX6.39042$[email hidden]... > I answered your points, if you won't do me the same courtesy, the debate > becomes pointless. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZotX6.23585$[email hidden]... > > A 20 year old Jenson Button didn't seem to have the same kind oftroubles

Quoted text (10 lines)

> as > > Montoya is having . > > > > 19 year old Raikkonen is doing very well this year compared to his more > > experienced teammate. > > > > Montoya has a huge advantage over the other drivers mentioned (Zanardi, > > Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button) in that he has a car that can not only > compete > > with the Ferrari and McLaren, but sometimes be the best on the grid as

in > > Montreal. > > > > David G Fisher > > >

What about Michael Schumachers comments about David Coulthard trying to kill him. You think that was mature? None of those drivers you mention have out-performed JPM, given that he had a race win snatched away by a dumb backmarker in only his 2nd race. None of those other names can match that potential. And like I said, Mika Hakkinen was a disaster in his first year in F1, and he's now a top driver and double world champion. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_UvX6.23679$[email hidden]... > I did answer your points by giving you examples of other, younger drivers > with less experience who are/have outperformed him and behave morematurely. > > BTW, Montoya has not only been an ass with Vliieneuve, but his comments > about Schumacher were also immature. > > David G Fisher

Given the circumstances in that Spa GP, I think I can understand Schumi's outburst! Iain "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DNwX6.40159$[email hidden]... > What about Michael Schumachers comments about David Coulthard trying tokill > him. You think that was mature? > > None of those drivers you mention have out-performed JPM, given that hehad > a race win snatched away by a dumb backmarker in only his 2nd race. Noneof

Quoted text (8 lines)

> those other names can match that potential. > > And like I said, Mika Hakkinen was a disaster in his first year in F1, and > he's now a top driver and double world champion. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_UvX6.23679$[email hidden]... > > I did answer your points by giving you examples of other, younger

drivers

Quoted text (10 lines)

> > with less experience who are/have outperformed him and behave more > maturely. > > > > BTW, Montoya has not only been an ass with Vliieneuve, but his comments > > about Schumacher were also immature. > > > > David G Fisher > > >

You're right to an extent, but see previous comments about Button, Raikkonen, etc. Also, winning your fist GP isn't just about talent, it' about the car your sitting in more than anything else. This year is the first year that Ralf has been in a truly competitive car - the same one that JPM keeps crashing! Iain "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uctX6.38463$[email hidden]... > That's a short sighted attitude. Look at Mika Hakkinen's first season in > F1, he couldn't get past the first corner without causing a shunt, and now > he's a double world champion. It took Ralf 70 races to get his firstwin. > JPM will inevitably calm down as he gets older and more mature. At the > moment he's just a typical young Colombian driver, hot-headed andexcitable.

Quoted text (19 lines)

> > His talent is beyond doubt, rookie CART champion, Indy 500 winner, and but > for a backmarker he would have won only his second ever GP. > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:37sX6.14678$[email hidden]... > > I won't be - unless he changes his attitude completely! > > Iain > > > > > > > I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached > his > > > 75th GP. > > > > > > > > > > >

A sane reasonable man would find the facts before making such an acusation. It's only Michaels paranoid egocentric mind that could believe that DC took him out deliberately. McLaren even went to the trouble of proving to Michael afterwards that DC had been running at that same pace for lap after lap (even the same speed at that particular part of the track), yet we heard no apology from Schumacher. And thanks to this DC now gets booed and jeered by Ferrari fans for no reason. Schumacher should have showed some decency and set the record straight. Instead he even suggested recently that 'maybe the spa crash was deilberate afterall' when DC made a dumb overtaking move, which forced them both wide. Anyone who watches a lot of F1 and has seen a lot of interviews with DC should know he is comfortably the most honest driver in F1. He's honest to the point that it even costs him points and wins, like letting Hakkinen through in Melbourne, which was totally unnecessary. No matter how many races MS wins, and how many championships, no matter how brilliant a driver he is, I'll only remember him for his arrogance and his lack of sportsmanship. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y9CX6.17389$[email hidden]... > Given the circumstances in that Spa GP, I think I can understand Schumi's > outburst! > Iain

Well, I'm not saying JPM is a definite future world champion, just that it's too early to say he won't be a future world champion. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fdCX6.17394$[email hidden]... > You're right to an extent, but see previous comments about Button, > Raikkonen, etc. Also, winning your fist GP isn't just about talent, it' > about the car your sitting in more than anything else. This year is the > first year that Ralf has been in a truly competitive car - the same onethat > JPM keeps crashing! > Iain

Well, I disagree. MS is the best driver around, and to be that you need some arrogance. I don't think MS was suggesting that DC took him out deliberately, it's just that slowing down (despite what McClaren said) in those conditions was very dangerous, and MS's outburst was quite understandable under the circumstances. Iain "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I9GX6.42563$[email hidden]... > A sane reasonable man would find the facts before making such anacusation. > It's only Michaels paranoid egocentric mind that could believe that DCtook > him out deliberately. McLaren even went to the trouble of proving to > Michael afterwards that DC had been running at that same pace for lapafter > lap (even the same speed at that particular part of the track), yet weheard > no apology from Schumacher. And thanks to this DC now gets booed andjeered > by Ferrari fans for no reason. > > Schumacher should have showed some decency and set the record straight. > Instead he even suggested recently that 'maybe the spa crash wasdeilberate > afterall' when DC made a dumb overtaking move, which forced them bothwide. > > Anyone who watches a lot of F1 and has seen a lot of interviews with DC > should know he is comfortably the most honest driver in F1. He's honestto > the point that it even costs him points and wins, like letting Hakkinen > through in Melbourne, which was totally unnecessary. > > No matter how many races MS wins, and how many championships, no matterhow > brilliant a driver he is, I'll only remember him for his arrogance and his > lack of sportsmanship. > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:y9CX6.17389$[email hidden]... > > Given the circumstances in that Spa GP, I think I can understandSchumi's > > outburst! > > Iain > > >

He definitely acused DC of trying to kill him, that's the exact words he used. Also he hasn't stopped going on about that incident from that day to this. I agree he's a great driver, his skill, control and determination are without parallel in F1. However, I have no respect for him as a sportsman or human being. He was also found guilty by the FIA of deliberately trying to take out Jacques Villeneuve to win himself the world title. The fates didn't smile on him that day and luckily for the sake of F1 he didn't succeed. He was stripped of his second place in the championship though, and he had to take part in an FIA road safety campaign as part of his punishment. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lpMX6.19540$[email hidden]... > Well, I disagree. MS is the best driver around, and to be that you need > some arrogance. > I don't think MS was suggesting that DC took him out deliberately, it'sjust > that slowing down (despite what McClaren said) in those conditions wasvery > dangerous, and MS's outburst was quite understandable under the > circumstances. > Iain

I know that's what he said, but that was very much in the heat of a (very nasty) moment. Although he hasn't forgotten the incident, I don't think he has ever repeated the killing accusation since. The JV incident was inexcusable, as was a similar one in Australia in 1995(?) when he took Damon Hill out and spoil his championship challenge. I'm not saying he's perfect, but he is the best and I love watching him. Iain "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pfPX6.48329$[email hidden]... > He definitely acused DC of trying to kill him, that's the exact words he > used. Also he hasn't stopped going on about that incident from that dayto

Quoted text (10 lines)

> this. > > I agree he's a great driver, his skill, control and determination are > without parallel in F1. However, I have no respect for him as a sportsman > or human being. > > He was also found guilty by the FIA of deliberately trying to take out > Jacques Villeneuve to win himself the world title. The fates didn't smile > on him that day and luckily for the sake of F1 he didn't succeed. He was > stripped of his second place in the championship though, and he had to

take

Quoted text (17 lines)

> part in an FIA road safety campaign as part of his punishment. > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lpMX6.19540$[email hidden]... > > Well, I disagree. MS is the best driver around, and to be that you need > > some arrogance. > > I don't think MS was suggesting that DC took him out deliberately, it's > just > > that slowing down (despite what McClaren said) in those conditions was > very > > dangerous, and MS's outburst was quite understandable under the > > circumstances. > > Iain > > >

Ok :) "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6xXX6.21198$[email hidden]... > I know that's what he said, but that was very much in the heat of a (very > nasty) moment. Although he hasn't forgotten the incident, I don't thinkhe > has ever repeated the killing accusation since. > The JV incident was inexcusable, as was a similar one in Australia in > 1995(?) when he took Damon Hill out and spoil his championship challenge. > I'm not saying he's perfect, but he is the best and I love watching him. > Iain