rFactor AI Tin Tops Vs Open Wheelers

I have been reading lots of complaints about the AI in rF for the last few days, But my first few days driving didn't seem to have the same problems. I spent most of the first days using the fendered cars though. Then I tried the F1ish cars and began to see what everyone was complaining about. Has anyone compared the AI behavior between the two varieties? Is one better than the other? dave henrie

It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. -- David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have been reading lots of complaints about the AI in rF for the last > few days, But my first few days driving didn't seem to have the same > problems. I spent most of the first days using the fendered cars though. > Then I tried the F1ish cars and began to see what everyone was complaining > about. > > Has anyone compared the AI behavior between the two varieties? Is one > better than the other? > > dave henrie >

I wasn't implying that you do btw. :-) -- David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. > > > -- > David G Fisher > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I have been reading lots of complaints about the AI in rF for the last >> few days, But my first few days driving didn't seem to have the same >> problems. I spent most of the first days using the fendered cars though. >> Then I tried the F1ish cars and began to see what everyone was >> complaining >> about. >> >> Has anyone compared the AI behavior between the two varieties? Is one >> better than the other? >> >> dave henrie >> > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >I wasn't implying that you do btw. :-) > > > -- > David G Fisher Would you still recommend it? I'm still on the fence. Is it worth 39.00?

It is not possible to complain about the AI in rFactor. That's because there IS NO AI in rFactor. I just spent the last hour offline getting ass-ended by every single AI car on the track. ZERO aviodance manuevers on their part. -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have been reading lots of complaints about the AI in rF for the last > few days, But my first few days driving didn't seem to have the same > problems. I spent most of the first days using the fendered cars though. > Then I tried the F1ish cars and began to see what everyone was complaining > about. > > Has anyone compared the AI behavior between the two varieties? Is one > better than the other? > > dave henrie >

reminds me of Microsoft Cart Precision Racing a few years ago, about the AI or lack of :) -- Steve H "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eEuSe.7293$Cc5.2979@lakeread06... > It is not possible to complain about the AI in rFactor. > > That's because there IS NO AI in rFactor. > > I just spent the last hour offline getting ass-ended by every single AI > car on the track. ZERO aviodance manuevers on their part. > > -Larry > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I have been reading lots of complaints about the AI in rF for the last >> few days, But my first few days driving didn't seem to have the same >> problems. I spent most of the first days using the fendered cars though. >> Then I tried the F1ish cars and began to see what everyone was >> complaining >> about. >> >> Has anyone compared the AI behavior between the two varieties? Is one >> better than the other? >> >> dave henrie >> > >

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>I wasn't implying that you do btw. :-) >> >> >>-- >>David G Fisher > > > Would you still recommend it? I'm still on the fence. Is it worth 39.00? > >

I'd say it's well worth it. I've only been using the open wheeled trainer, and I'd say it is even more realistic than GPL. You have a tire model and pitstops for starters.

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> It is not possible to complain about the AI in rFactor. > > That's because there IS NO AI in rFactor. > > I just spent the last hour offline getting ass-ended by every single AI car > on the track. ZERO aviodance manuevers on their part. >

No problems here. Probably because I'm running at near the same pace as the AI, and not braking too early. Braking too early in a real motor race will get you rear-ended nearly every time.

straiton wrote: > reminds me of Microsoft Cart Precision Racing a few years ago, about the AI > or lack of :) Microsoft Crap Precision Racing, you mean. One of the worst sims ever.

"DJRJR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9XrSe.33473$[email hidden]... > > Would you still recommend it? I'm still on the fence. Is it worth 39.00? For sure!

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. > Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - getting very erratic stuff. Sometimes all the data (race laps, best lap and finishing position) are simply not there - latency related? Sometimes MY result file has no entry for ME at all - LOL. And I noticed today that I have laps on Racecast that dont even exist in the player records!!! (but I did do them) For me, if results reporting for online races gets properly sorted, this thing is a winner. Replay system stinks in comparison to even the oldest Papy sims though. But, at long last, it seems Kaemer has a need to stay on his toes! Hip, hip HOORAY! :)

>"DJRJR" <[email hidden]> wrote > Would you still recommend it? I'm still on the fence. Is it worth 39.00? I say wait and see if rFactor is the sim that's supposed to have every modder work on it. It shouldn't take long to see if it's truly where everybody's gonna work on mods for the next year or two. *then* it'll be worth it, or else we'll be stuck with a small number of cars and tracks and a good sim. But a good sim is not enough nowadays I say. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. >> > > > Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - > getting very erratic stuff. > > Sometimes all the data (race laps, best lap and finishing position) are > simply not there - latency related? > > Sometimes MY result file has no entry for ME at all - LOL. > > And I noticed today that I have laps on Racecast that dont even exist in the > player records!!! (but I did do them) > > For me, if results reporting for online races gets properly sorted, this > thing is a winner. Replay system stinks in comparison to even the oldest > Papy sims though. > > > > But, at long last, it seems Kaemer has a need to stay on his toes! Hip, hip > HOORAY! :) > >

There do seem to be some problems. Today I did a 15 lapper. I was shown the chequered flag one lap too early. And as a final kick in the ribs, the results file reports me as a DNF!

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> Byron Forbes wrote: >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> >>>It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. >>> >> >> >> Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - >> getting very erratic stuff. >> >> Sometimes all the data (race laps, best lap and finishing position) are >> simply not there - latency related? >> >> Sometimes MY result file has no entry for ME at all - LOL. >> >> And I noticed today that I have laps on Racecast that dont even exist in >> the player records!!! (but I did do them) >> >> For me, if results reporting for online races gets properly sorted, this >> thing is a winner. Replay system stinks in comparison to even the oldest >> Papy sims though. >> >> >> >> But, at long last, it seems Kaemer has a need to stay on his toes! Hip, >> hip HOORAY! :) > There do seem to be some problems. Today I did a 15 lapper. I was shown > the chequered flag one lap too early. And as a final kick in the ribs, the > results file reports me as a DNF!

not to sure about the lap problem. post over at rsc for the devs to look at. but in regards to dnf. if you go across the line then hit "escape" and not go back to your pit, you'll get a dnf. cheers steve

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> "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dQzSe.758$[email hidden]... > >>Byron Forbes wrote: >> >>>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> >>>>It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. >>>> >>> >>> >>>Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - >>>getting very erratic stuff. >>> >>>Sometimes all the data (race laps, best lap and finishing position) are >>>simply not there - latency related? >>> >>>Sometimes MY result file has no entry for ME at all - LOL. >>> >>>And I noticed today that I have laps on Racecast that dont even exist in >>>the player records!!! (but I did do them) >>> >>>For me, if results reporting for online races gets properly sorted, this >>>thing is a winner. Replay system stinks in comparison to even the oldest >>>Papy sims though. >>> >>> >>> >>>But, at long last, it seems Kaemer has a need to stay on his toes! Hip, >>>hip HOORAY! :) >> >>There do seem to be some problems. Today I did a 15 lapper. I was shown >>the chequered flag one lap too early. And as a final kick in the ribs, the >>results file reports me as a DNF! > > > > > not to sure about the lap problem. post over at rsc for the devs to look > at. but in regards to dnf. if you go across the line then hit "escape" and > not go back to your pit, you'll get a dnf. >

I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a DNF for just not going to the pits.

"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u1BSe.3198$[email hidden]...

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> Steve Whitty wrote: >> "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:dQzSe.758$[email hidden]... >> >>>Byron Forbes wrote: >>> >>>>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>news:[email hidden]... >>>> >>>> >>>>>It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - >>>>getting very erratic stuff. >>>> >>>>Sometimes all the data (race laps, best lap and finishing position) are >>>>simply not there - latency related? >>>> >>>>Sometimes MY result file has no entry for ME at all - LOL. >>>> >>>>And I noticed today that I have laps on Racecast that dont even exist in >>>>the player records!!! (but I did do them) >>>> >>>>For me, if results reporting for online races gets properly sorted, this >>>>thing is a winner. Replay system stinks in comparison to even the oldest >>>>Papy sims though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>But, at long last, it seems Kaemer has a need to stay on his toes! Hip, >>>>hip HOORAY! :) >>> >>>There do seem to be some problems. Today I did a 15 lapper. I was shown >>>the chequered flag one lap too early. And as a final kick in the ribs, >>>the results file reports me as a DNF! >> >> >> >> >> not to sure about the lap problem. post over at rsc for the devs to look >> at. but in regards to dnf. if you go across the line then hit "escape" >> and not go back to your pit, you'll get a dnf. >> > I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I > made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a DNF > for just not going to the pits.

Not sure exactly what happened in your race, but the lap counter you see on screen shows laps completed, not the lap you are currently running. I was DQ'd when I ran one Q lap too many because I forgot that. -- David G Fisher

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:431aafd2$0$15516$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> It could be that most people stink badly in the F1 cars right now. >> > > Hey David, what do you know about the results file with online races - > getting very erratic stuff.

I don't know anything about that. -- David G Fisher

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:02:48 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>> not to sure about the lap problem. post over at rsc for the devs to look >>> at. but in regards to dnf. if you go across the line then hit "escape" >>> and not go back to your pit, you'll get a dnf. >>> >> I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I >> made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a DNF >> for just not going to the pits. > > >Not sure exactly what happened in your race, but the lap counter you see on >screen shows laps completed, not the lap you are currently running. I was >DQ'd when I ran one Q lap too many because I forgot that.

I've seen online races where a driver was listed in the standins with a laptime, but where all the laps he had driven didn't have a time attached to it... Cheers! Remco

> No problems here. Probably because I'm running at near the same pace as the AI, and not braking too early. Braking too > early in a real motor race will get you rear-ended nearly every time. or more likely, black flagged for brake checking.

> Not sure exactly what happened in your race, but the lap counter you see on screen shows laps completed, not the lap > you are currently running. I was DQ'd when I ran one Q lap too many because I forgot that. You can change this in the player file. If I was worried about stats, do I have to add one extra laps worth of fuel in my car so I can make it to the pits after a race? (Where's a tow truck when you need one?).

How would others here rate the cars in terms of lap times, say at Toban GP? Obviously the F1 is quickest, and the Rhez slowest, but the rest of the cars are within a few seconds of each other. Anyone here have a good ranking order for the sedans and the trainer in terms of lap times?

Yes! The OW trainers alone are worth the price of admission in my opinion. But there is much more to it than that! Yes, the AI seems problematic at times. But my main purpose for this sim is online racing. If you like to race online it's defiantly a great experience! Besides, most folks can and do piss away the cost of this sim (or more) in one night out for dinner and a movie. >;) - Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJRJR" > Would you still recommend it? I'm still on the fence. Is it worth 39.00?

"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u1BSe.3198$[email hidden]... >> > I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I > made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a DNF > for just not going to the pits. Obviously the host or a vote ended the race too early - for racecast to have meaning that will need to be fixed.

"Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I've seen online races where a driver was listed in the standins with > a laptime, but where all the laps he had driven didn't have a time > attached to it... > I've seen results on racecast where someone has been scored in a lower position than someone that they did more laps than! LOL.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:27:25 +1000, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:u1BSe.3198$[email hidden]... >>> >> I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I >> made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a DNF >> for just not going to the pits. > > Obviously the host or a vote ended the race too early - for racecast to >have meaning that will need to be fixed.

Is it possible to turn off the voting system as host? Cheers! Remco

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> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:27:25 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:u1BSe.3198$[email hidden]... >>>> >>> I stayed out and did my 15th lap, then the server switch tracks before I >>> made it to the pits on my warm-down lap. Not too keen on the idea of a >>> DNF >>> for just not going to the pits. >> >> Obviously the host or a vote ended the race too early - for racecast >> to >>have meaning that will need to be fixed. > > Is it possible to turn off the voting system as host? >

Yes

Hardly one of the worst ever. It had possibility they just blew it. Spirit of Speed 1937 was much worse than CPR. Mitch "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X2ySe.924$[email hidden]... > straiton wrote: >> reminds me of Microsoft Cart Precision Racing a few years ago, about the >> AI or lack of :) > > Microsoft Crap Precision Racing, you mean. One of the worst sims ever.

I get hit on the straights LOL -Larry "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B1ySe.923$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> It is not possible to complain about the AI in rFactor. >> >> That's because there IS NO AI in rFactor. >> >> I just spent the last hour offline getting ass-ended by every single AI >> car on the track. ZERO aviodance manuevers on their part. >> > No problems here. Probably because I'm running at near the same pace as > the AI, and not braking too early. Braking too early in a real motor race > will get you rear-ended nearly every time.

Mitch_A wrote: > Hardly one of the worst ever. It had possibility they just blew it. Yes, possibility if MS had totally re done the whole thing from scratch. But as it was/is, it was/is just plain, old crap.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:49:58 -0700, "Jeff Reid" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> No problems here. Probably because I'm running at near the same pace as the AI, and not braking too early. Braking too >> early in a real motor race will get you rear-ended nearly every time. > >or more likely, black flagged for brake checking. > > >

Even if you NEED to brake at that spot to make the turn? Eldred