Sub 8 Minute Ring

Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from that one!

I caught that too, I think he must have made a mistake. In 1975 Lauda had a 6m 58.6s lap for Ferrari to get the pole for the GP. Others have pointed out that someone went even faster than that in a later year and not in a GP car. Lauda's was on the 14.189 mile lap length. I am using stats from Autocourse 1975-76. I made a recording of an announcement that day (out at Wehrseifen) that I am quite sure was for that lap, apart from the historical significance for all us Ring fans, the best part is the reaction of some fans to this announcement that I also caught on my cassette recorder) I have often wished that there was someway some GPL Wizard could take a wav file of that announcement and have our Ring lap times and our names issue out of our speakers substituting for Lauda and Ferrari, if necessary, as we head for the North Curve, in German too, of course! wa5hoo wrote: > > Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice > show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe > (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from > that one!

and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... Sudesh "Christopher G Rossie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I caught that too, I think he must have made a mistake. In 1975 Lauda > had a 6m 58.6s lap for Ferrari to get the pole for the GP. Others have > pointed out that someone went even faster than that in a later year and > not in a GP car. Lauda's was on the 14.189 mile lap length. I am using > stats from Autocourse 1975-76. I made a recording of an announcement > that day (out at Wehrseifen) that I am quite sure was for that lap, > apart from the historical significance for all us Ring fans, the best > part is the reaction of some fans to this announcement that I also > caught on my cassette recorder) I have often wished that there was > someway some GPL Wizard could take a wav file of that announcement and > have our Ring lap times and our names issue out of our speakers > substituting for Lauda and Ferrari, if necessary, as we head for the > North Curve, in German too, of course! > > wa5hoo wrote: > > > > Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice > > show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe > > (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from > > that one!

sudesh <[email hidden]> wrote: > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track? +Cinquo

I have no idea, it is listed at the official site for the track... www.nuerburgring.de i think.... "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9h45de$i22$[email hidden]... > sudesh <[email hidden]> wrote: > > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... > > But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track? > > +Cinquo

I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn't they say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine? Wayne Hutchison "wa5hoo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice > show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe > (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from > that one!

"Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yomZ6.7460$[email hidden]... : I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn't they : say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine? : Yeah, I was surprised to hear that! BMW M5 with the V-12 LMP engine. Man, I'd trade my Ford Explorer for one of those... and then still be short about $75K I imagine <sigh>. Dale.

Not an M5, but an X5 with the 700bhp LMP V12. I have an article about that ride with the X5 Le Mans in a magazine. I'll scan the article if I don't forget it...(it's in dutch) Dale Green <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]... > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yomZ6.7460$[email hidden]... > : I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn'tthey > : say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine? > : > > Yeah, I was surprised to hear that! BMW M5 with the V-12 LMP engine.Man, > I'd trade my Ford Explorer for one of those... and then still be shortabout > $75K I imagine <sigh>. > > Dale. > > >

"Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5_uZ6.10729$[email hidden]... : Not an M5, but an X5 That's right. My mistake. Dale.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:38:31 +0200, "sudesh" <[email hidden]> wrote: >and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... > >Sudesh And I thought my 12:00 was pretty hot :( Andre

>> > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... >> But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track? > I have no idea, it is listed at the official site for the track... > www.nuerburgring.de i think.... Fortunately, they list both time and average speed, so the track length is easy to calculate: Formel 1 7:06.4 192.8 km/h 22836m Gruppe C 6:25.91 194.33km/h 20832m Kind regards, Anton

The time I referenced was in qualifying for the GP in '75. I understand that official lap records have to be in the race (in this case Regazzoni, Ferrari, lap 7 of 1975 GP - his engine blew up and he made only 9 laps) just like in GPL, right? I have located my cassette tape of the historic event in question and found that the announcement of the dead on 7 min lap of Carlos Pace, Brabham, also was recorded without a gaggle of cars going through Wehrseifen blocking it out. Pace's lap may have beaten Lauda's but for his engine having a stuck valve while exiting that last chicane before the line (?)- called the braking chicane in Autocourse. His reaction to this, standing up in the cockpit while in the pits yelling and shaking his fist at the mechanics (he thought at the time that they had miscalculated the amount of fuel on board) is another example of how art (GPL) reflects life. It isn't the best recording of the 1975 cars - far from it - but near the end of the tape I may have the best ever recording of activity at the refreshment stand near that corner (bottles/cans being opened, change hitting the counter and cash register doors slamming shut! Anton Norup Soerensen wrote:

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> > >> > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... > >> But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track? > > I have no idea, it is listed at the official site for the track... > > www.nuerburgring.de i think.... > > Fortunately, they list both time and average speed, so the track length is > easy to calculate: > > Formel 1 7:06.4 192.8 km/h 22836m > Gruppe C 6:25.91 194.33km/h 20832m > > Kind regards, > Anton

LOL! don't worry my first lap was 14mins! mind you the car only had 50hp -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:38:31 +0200, "sudesh" | <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... | > | >Sudesh | | And I thought my 12:00 was pretty hot :( | | Andre

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:12:08 +0100, "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote: >LOL! don't worry my first lap was 14mins! mind you the car only had 50hp 50hp? What kind of car was that? Andre

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> >-- >Cheers, > >Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > >http://www.oppositelock.co.uk > >N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

wa5hoo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice > show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe > (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from > that one! I found an article about it on the American LeMans Series website here... http://www.americanlemans.com/News/News.asp?ID=279 Not too much information there, but they are stating it is a world record(?) Stuck comments that the X5 reached a top speed of 311km/h on the straight! Totally insane! Dave McEntee [email hidden]

Andre wrote: > 50hp? What kind of car was that? 1981 Toyota Starlet 1.2s Great handling though for what it was - it had the sharpest (15:1 ratio i think) lightest steering of any car I've ever driven, and rear wheel drive (not that you could really tell unless it was wet or on snow/ice!) -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:00:42 +0100, "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre wrote: >> 50hp? What kind of car was that? > >1981 Toyota Starlet 1.2s >Great handling though for what it was - it had the sharpest (15:1 ratio i >think) lightest steering of any car I've ever driven, and rear wheel drive >(not that you could really tell unless it was wet or on snow/ice!)

My first car was a Toyota Corolla DX14 from.. '82 I believe. I still miss her, she also handled beautifully. How she would have loved a ride on the Ring.. :( Andre

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>-- >Cheers, > >Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > >http://www.oppositelock.co.uk > >N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:38:31 +0200, "sudesh" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985..... >> >>Sudesh > >And I thought my 12:00 was pretty hot :(

Yes but if you'd crashed, the $$$ for repairs would have come from your OWN pocket. That changed the mindset a bit...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:00:42 +0100, "Robin Lord" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre wrote: > >> 50hp? What kind of car was that? > > > >1981 Toyota Starlet 1.2s > >Great handling though for what it was - it had the sharpest (15:1 ratio i > >think) lightest steering of any car I've ever driven, and rear wheel

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> >(not that you could really tell unless it was wet or on snow/ice!) > > My first car was a Toyota Corolla DX14 from.. '82 I believe. I still > miss her, she also handled beautifully. How she would have loved a > ride on the Ring.. :( > > Andre

Toyota Starlets were/are very popular with the short oval saloon formulae here in Britain. The actual toyota engine rarely stays in, but the chassis is ideal. One of the reasons I love Gran Turismo 2 on the PSX is the chance to rag around in these plastic shopping carts :o) cheers John

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote >Yes but if you'd crashed, the $$$ for repairs would have come from your OWNpocket. That changed the mindset a bit...<g> Hmm this is true to a point I think the ring kind of sucks you in though. Example, last time I went at easter I thought I'd take my first lap easy. By the time I reached Hatzenbach II I was braking as late as I could and screeching the tires round the corners. When I reached Schwedenkreuz I had the back end come out on me and nearly lost control Yikes! not a place you want the to happen, so I took it a bit easy down the Fuchsr�he. However by the time I was at Adenauer Forst the tyres were squealing again. It turned out to be the quickest lap I did all weekend - So much for taking it easy! I managed to restrain myself a bit after that - I didn't want another close call, but it's so easy to find yourself going faster/taking more risks than you intended to. -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

Very true... there are also the "ooops, 1997 road cars don't really grip *that* well, however slow they seem to be going compared to 1967 GP cars" -moments. <g> Jan. =--- "Robin Lord" wrote... > "EldredP" wrote > <snip>