Re: Leadfoot - a $50 game in $20 disguise

Ahhhh? Its ok I guess!! :-) "Jonah Falcon" wrote: | Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. | Jonah Falcon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Well I hope you rip them for using the same old game engine and even worse yet the same piss poor online code. I will say their physics model is better suited to Leadfoot than the oval track games. I feel this is probably because of the Difference Engines origins in Powerslide. I have seen screen shots and heard reports of trucks starting at different portions of the track. I would have to say that Leadfoot is worth the $20 price but a no go at your $50. Do you really feel that the Leadfoot is comparable in graphic, online code as say N4? I would have to agree that the AI between the two games is similar, they are both a bunch of bone heads. MadDAWG

Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. Jonah Falcon

I'm reviewing it for GamePen, so I'll have a fuller review later :) Jonah Falcon "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:d62_6.4863$[email hidden]...

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> Ahhhh? Its ok I guess!! :-) > > "Jonah Falcon" wrote: > | Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. > | Jonah Falcon > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 > >

Why is it that all Ratbag games aside from that sci-fi racing game fail to work on my computer? When I had a V3 I would go Blue screen. And now w/ the Leadfoot demo (and my Radeon card) it's all screwed up in d3d...only can run it in software mode...blech! Aside from Fifa 2001, can't get in the computer to play the demo at all for some reason, all true $50 work well (aside from a few texture problems that are ATI's fault for not so perfect official drivers) Jon "Jonah Falcon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9haab1$1am$[email hidden]... > Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. > > Jonah Falcon > >

You obviously have something wrong with your system or setup. Leadfoot and all other Ratbag games will run quite smooth on an OLD ancient V2 card with only 12Mb ram. Send me your system specs and video drivers and I'll see what I can do. "Jon Van Ginneken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ox5_6.90574$[email hidden]... > Why is it that all Ratbag games aside from that sci-fi racing game fail to > work on my computer? When I had a V3 I would go Blue screen. And now w/ > the Leadfoot demo (and my Radeon card) it's all screwed up in d3d...onlycan > run it in software mode...blech! > > Aside from Fifa 2001, can't get in the computer to play the demo at allfor > some reason, all true $50 work well (aside from a few texture problemsthat

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> are ATI's fault for not so perfect official drivers) > > Jon > > > "Jonah Falcon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9haab1$1am$[email hidden]... > > Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. > > > > Jonah Falcon > > > > > >

Each to his own, I suppose--I've been regretting the twenty bucks I paid. Jerry Morelock "Jonah Falcon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9haab1$1am$[email hidden]... > Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really impressive. > > Jonah Falcon > >

"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hapsh$rcj$[email hidden]... > You obviously have something wrong with your system or setup. Leadfootand > all other Ratbag games will run quite smooth on an OLD ancient V2 cardwith > only 12Mb ram. > > Send me your system specs and video drivers and I'll see what I can do. > According to a post from Saxon on a dtr based news server, the DEII based games are directX3 wrapped in DX5 and if you can get D3D to work on anything newer than a TNT consider yourself one of the lucky ones. In so many words, anyway. That they still haven't bothered to test the compatibility with more modern cards, is inexcuseable. I have two ratbag games, I'm not going to buy a third. cheers John (running DTRSC in software mode)

Uuuuuuuuh, not in my opinion, no. Jonah Falcon "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b38d873$[email hidden]... > Well I hope you rip them for using the same old game engine and even worse > yet the same piss poor online code. I will say their physics model isbetter > suited to Leadfoot than the oval track games. I feel this is probably > because of the Difference Engines origins in Powerslide. I have seenscreen > shots and heard reports of trucks starting at different portions of the > track. I would have to say that Leadfoot is worth the $20 price but a nogo > at your $50. Do you really feel that the Leadfoot is comparable ingraphic, > online code as say N4? I would have to agree that the AI between the two > games is similar, they are both a bunch of bone heads. > > MadDAWG > >

PIII 700 128MB RAM ASUS P3B-F motherboard AIW Radeon 32MB (7075 drivers) Turtle Beach Motego (latest DELL OEM drivers) -- admittadly I have to pull some junk to get the DirectX 8.0a to work with the gameport (uninstall reinstall gameport interface...everytime) Gravis Eliminator GamepadPro (4.42) TM NASCAR Pro (1.02 I think) Jon "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hapsh$rcj$[email hidden]... > You obviously have something wrong with your system or setup. Leadfootand > all other Ratbag games will run quite smooth on an OLD ancient V2 cardwith

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> only 12Mb ram. > > Send me your system specs and video drivers and I'll see what I can do. > > "Jon Van Ginneken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ox5_6.90574$[email hidden]... > > Why is it that all Ratbag games aside from that sci-fi racing game fail

to > > work on my computer? When I had a V3 I would go Blue screen. And noww/

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> > the Leadfoot demo (and my Radeon card) it's all screwed up in d3d...only > can > > run it in software mode...blech! > > > > Aside from Fifa 2001, can't get in the computer to play the demo at all > for > > some reason, all true $50 work well (aside from a few texture problems > that > > are ATI's fault for not so perfect official drivers) > > > > Jon > > > > > > "Jonah Falcon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9haab1$1am$[email hidden]... > > > Those guys at Ratbag have done it again. Leadfoot is really

impressive.

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> > > > > > Jonah Falcon > > > > > > > > > > > >

It appears they have the cookie cutter in action at Ratbag when it comes to the engine and graphics. MadDAWG <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b38d873$[email hidden]... > Well I hope you rip them for using the same old game engine and even worse > yet the same piss poor online code. I will say their physics model isbetter > suited to Leadfoot than the oval track games. I feel this is probably > because of the Difference Engines origins in Powerslide. I have seenscreen > shots and heard reports of trucks starting at different portions of the > track. I would have to say that Leadfoot is worth the $20 price but a nogo > at your $50. Do you really feel that the Leadfoot is comparable ingraphic, > online code as say N4? I would have to agree that the AI between the two > games is similar, they are both a bunch of bone heads. > > MadDAWG > >

You've definitely setup something wrong then. We have tested all three with new and some of the latest hardware and it flies on them. Software mode is quite rare. "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l48_6.28598$[email hidden]...

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> > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9hapsh$rcj$[email hidden]... > > You obviously have something wrong with your system or setup. Leadfoot > and > > all other Ratbag games will run quite smooth on an OLD ancient V2 card > with > > only 12Mb ram. > > > > Send me your system specs and video drivers and I'll see what I can do. > > > > According to a post from Saxon on a dtr based news server, the DEII based > games are directX3 wrapped in DX5 and if you can get D3D to work on

anything > newer than a TNT consider yourself one of the lucky ones. In so manywords, > anyway. > That they still haven't bothered to test the compatibility with moremodern

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> cards, is inexcuseable. I have two ratbag games, I'm not going to buy a > third. > > cheers > John (running DTRSC in software mode) > > >

"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hcoaf$sa6$[email hidden]... > You've definitely setup something wrong then. We have tested all threewith > new and some of the latest hardware and it flies on them. Software modeis > quite rare. the only thing wrong with my setup is ratbag games. everything else is fine thanks. cheers John

Not that rare I have known quite a few set ups that would only run in software mode, including mine. I will say that I did get it to run in d3d after returning my clock settings back to standard instead of the overclocked state I was use to running in Win98SE. So far nobody has been able to give me a good reason why all the Ratbag titles would run in D3D with an overclocked CPU in win98se but not in ME. Only Ratbag games were effected this way Papy, ISI, etc all ran fine overclocked in ME. BTW that post from Saxon was in reply to me when I was trying to get them running. MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b3a19ff$[email hidden]...

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> Not that rare I have known quite a few set ups that would only run in > software mode, including mine. I will say that I did get it to run in d3d > after returning my clock settings back to standard instead of the > overclocked state I was use to running in Win98SE. So far nobody has been > able to give me a good reason why all the Ratbag titles would run in D3D > with an overclocked CPU in win98se but not in ME. Only Ratbag games were > effected this way Papy, ISI, etc all ran fine overclocked in ME. BTW

that > post from Saxon was in reply to me when I was trying to get them running. > > MadDAWG I don't overclock anything in my system. I also have triple the cooling capacity in the case as of today. leadfoot jammed solid on the startline in D3D, I'd at least get a couple of laps in DTRSC before freezing ;o) Ratbag games worked ok in D3D with my elsa erazor III TNT2m64 card, but freeze up with my Hercules Prophet 2 MX (with added cooling fan). I'm not going back to the TNT2 and missing out on frames/sec in N4 and GPL though, so I race software mode DTRSC and don't buy ratbag games. simple really :D cheers John

No one is mentioning the 3Dsound that doesn't work (loud strang noises). I won't buy another DTR/DTRSC/LF clone until it's up to date. I played DTR for days. DTRSC for about 30mins and LeadFoot for about 10mins. Umm. I see a pattern :( Use the "-3dsound" command line option when running any of their games to try it out. Jason. JM wrote:

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> > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b3a19ff$[email hidden]... > > Not that rare I have known quite a few set ups that would only run in > > software mode, including mine. I will say that I did get it to run in d3d > > after returning my clock settings back to standard instead of the > > overclocked state I was use to running in Win98SE. So far nobody has been > > able to give me a good reason why all the Ratbag titles would run in D3D > > with an overclocked CPU in win98se but not in ME. Only Ratbag games were > > effected this way Papy, ISI, etc all ran fine overclocked in ME. BTW > that > > post from Saxon was in reply to me when I was trying to get them running. > > > > MadDAWG > > I don't overclock anything in my system. I also have triple the cooling > capacity in the case as of today. leadfoot jammed solid on the startline in > D3D, I'd at least get a couple of laps in DTRSC before freezing ;o) > > Ratbag games worked ok in D3D with my elsa erazor III TNT2m64 card, but > freeze up with my Hercules Prophet 2 MX (with added cooling fan). I'm not > going back to the TNT2 and missing out on frames/sec in N4 and GPL though, > so I race software mode DTRSC and don't buy ratbag games. simple really :D > > cheers > John

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Well that will certainly help me figure out the problem with your setup. :) "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vLn_6.21350$[email hidden]...

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> > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9hcoaf$sa6$[email hidden]... > > You've definitely setup something wrong then. We have tested all three > with > > new and some of the latest hardware and it flies on them. Software mode > is > > quite rare. > > the only thing wrong with my setup is ratbag games. > everything else is fine thanks. > > cheers > John > > >

"Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No one is mentioning the 3Dsound that doesn't work (loud strang > noises). I won't buy another DTR/DTRSC/LF clone until it's up to date. > I played DTR for days. DTRSC for about 30mins and LeadFoot for about > 10mins. Umm. I see a pattern :( Me, too. Leadfoot was my second Ratbag game--my first AND last. Oops, I don't guess that's enough to make a pattern. Jerry Morelock

"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hdhuo$aqf$[email hidden]... > Well that will certainly help me figure out the problem with your setup.:) > Well you didn't look like you were offering to help, just telling me you'd tested some systems so I must have set mine up wrong. AMD K6II500 @ 500 Hercules ProphetII MX (not tv out) Soundblaster Live 1024 224mb- 32,64 pc100, 128 pc133 all @100 Case with two inward case fans, one outward case fan, standard heatsink n fan on CPU, another spare CPU fan fastened to the Geforce card heatsink. neither the CPU nor the geforce card are "overclocked". software: WinME DX8 Hercules detonator driver 12.40 (also original 5.32 off CD and 6.50, 7.58, 10.80 generic nvidia) - all driver changes done with a full clean install- all driver related files deleted between new driver installs. Liveware 3.0 for the soundcard. graphics card options at defaults, except FSAA is disabled (default 2x) I would have to rummage for BIOS settings, but I have experimented with AGP aperture sizes of 16, 32, 64 and 128 (following setup advice for N4) none with success for ratbag games. just tried leadfoot today with the extra cooling and proper hercules drivers. froze on the start line. My Elsa Erazor III TNT2m64 card, using the same drivers as the geforce (when using the generic nvidia drivers) works fine with D3D in the ratbag games, but I'm tired of wearing the pins out. I'm not really prepared to mess with anything on the system, as other games run fine and I don't like the idea of them messing up for the sake of some DTRSC eye candy. Even though I can't see my shiny BriSCA chassis paint in all its glory. cheers John

I wish I knew. Between Ratbag and WizardWorks, the game is not going to be marketed in South Africa. *Moreover*, export to South Africa (by anyone) is not allowed. Ratbag failed to respond to the email I sent them. It's like the bad old days of sanctions again (not that I was old enough to care back then). Anyway, if any honest person is willing to send me a copy (I'm not sure what the easiest method of payment is) or if anyone knows of a working warez site carrying the game, please email me. Ratbag's attitude is leaving my conscience wearing rather thin . . . Ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Faster-than-light travel is indeed possible, though research into economical methods has been systematically suppressed by headlamp manufacturers and their agents in the Congress. --Todd Zwillich WARNING - Unsolicited advertising material received at this email address will incur a storage charge of $100 (U.S.) per item. Mailing constitutes acceptance of this condition. All senders will be traced and invoiced accordingly.

On 29 Jun 2001 10:32:21 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >>Do you run GLIDE or D3D with your V5? >>My TNT2 works fine, doesn't surprise me if a V5 does also, in D3D if that is >>the case. >>If you run in GLIDE, then there's no basis for comparison. > >Um, I really don't know. The option in GPL is 3DFX. Does that mean GLIDE? Yep Andre >Eldred

In article <l48_6.28598$[email hidden]>, "JM" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>According to a post from Saxon on a dtr based news server, the DEII based >games are directX3 wrapped in DX5 and if you can get D3D to work on anything >newer than a TNT consider yourself one of the lucky ones. In so many words, >anyway. >That they still haven't bothered to test the compatibility with more modern >cards, is inexcuseable. I have two ratbag games, I'm not going to buy a >third.

Hmm... I have Powerslide, DTR, DTRsc. All this talk prompted me to test them out again(I hadn't run them in a while). They all work fine for me. Athlon 1.3 V5 128MB pc133@100 Win98se Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have problems running? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hmm... > I have Powerslide, DTR, DTRsc. All this talk prompted me to test them out > again(I hadn't run them in a while). They all work fine for me. > Athlon 1.3 > V5 > 128MB pc133@100 > Win98se > Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have > problems running? > > Eldred > --

Do you run GLIDE or D3D with your V5? My TNT2 works fine, doesn't surprise me if a V5 does also, in D3D if that is the case. If you run in GLIDE, then there's no basis for comparison. cheers John

In article <H5R_6.30277$[email hidden]>, "JM" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have >> problems running? >> >> Eldred >> -- > >Do you run GLIDE or D3D with your V5? >My TNT2 works fine, doesn't surprise me if a V5 does also, in D3D if that is >the case. >If you run in GLIDE, then there's no basis for comparison.

Um, I really don't know. The option in GPL is 3DFX. Does that mean GLIDE? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think the game is just flat out fun and at $20 totally worth it. Kinda like Serious Sam in that regard - nothing really new, but just flat out good fun and gaming. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3b38d873$[email hidden]>...

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> Well I hope you rip them for using the same old game engine and even worse > yet the same piss poor online code. I will say their physics model is better > suited to Leadfoot than the oval track games. I feel this is probably > because of the Difference Engines origins in Powerslide. I have seen screen > shots and heard reports of trucks starting at different portions of the > track. I would have to say that Leadfoot is worth the $20 price but a no go > at your $50. Do you really feel that the Leadfoot is comparable in graphic, > online code as say N4? I would have to agree that the AI between the two > games is similar, they are both a bunch of bone heads. > > MadDAWG