GPL: Spa...secret to getting near a 3:20?

Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlapping but cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking ahead of myself in GPLRank...it seems pretty easy to lots of people, and I note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari.........cmon aliens reveal your secrets! Thanks for any help -- Greg31 +80.30

I would forget about the Ferrari at Spa -- too many high speed stretches where the red car just doesn't have the power. Get in the Lotus. Download Huttu's setup and use it. The Eagle seems to work nicely for me as well. Or don't listen to me at all because the best I have managed at Spa is a 3:26.95 ;-) Todd Walker GPLRank: +81.60 twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:28:26 GMT, "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlapping but >cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking >ahead of myself in GPLRank...it seems pretty easy to lots of people, and I >note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but >that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for >setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari.........cmon >aliens reveal your secrets! >Thanks for any help

> ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people It isn't. > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? Practice. > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the very fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not the secret. --Jeff +14.22 "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlappingbut

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> cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari.........cmon > aliens reveal your secrets! > Thanks for any help > -- > Greg31 > +80.30 > > > >

Spa is all about speed in long straights. You must carry as much speed as possible out of all corners, as they normally connect to long straights, where u can make or lose seconds. Work on your driving line and try to make exits as smooth as possible. Gearing is also important here. I'd recommend Roland E setups.. they are much easier to drive fast then GHs.. and ultimately I find them even faster if really pushed. And dont overdo it at Masta- better brake earlier and start accelerating sooner to carry speed down the following straight. If u dont believe me, watch your replay to someone else's with Replay Analyser. Oh and one more thing.. practise :-) "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]...

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> > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > It isn't. > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > Practice. > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the very > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not the secret. > > --Jeff > +14.22 > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlapping > but > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a

goal)....looking > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus orFerrari.........cmon

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> > aliens reveal your secrets! > > Thanks for any help > > -- > > Greg31 > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > >

As suggested get Greggor's setups and use the GH ones, not the GH2 aliens only ones. Use the Lotus and load up 5 laps. Watch the original replay to see where the surprise gear changes are (basically they go slower than you do but are 5-6secs faster than you.) I read somewhere that Spa is all about exit speed so go in slow and fast out. I used to be 3.25, loaded up GH setup and did a 3.21. This also applies to taming hte ring. Book "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]...

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> > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > It isn't. > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > Practice. > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the very > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not the secret. > > --Jeff > +14.22 > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlapping > but > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a

goal)....looking > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus orFerrari.........cmon

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> > aliens reveal your secrets! > > Thanks for any help > > -- > > Greg31 > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > >

In this thread everyone keeps talking about getting that person or another person's setups..... but where do I get them? "Book" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > As suggested get Greggor's setups and use the GH ones, not the GH2 aliens > only ones. Use the Lotus and load up 5 laps. Watch the original replayto > see where the surprise gear changes are (basically they go slower than you > do but are 5-6secs faster than you.) I read somewhere that Spa is allabout

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> exit speed so go in slow and fast out. I used to be 3.25, loaded up GH > setup and did a 3.21. This also applies to taming hte ring. > Book > > "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]... > > > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > > > It isn't. > > > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > > > Practice. > > > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the very > > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not the secret. > > > > --Jeff > > +14.22 > > > > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while

hotlapping > > but > > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a > goal)....looking > > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's,but > > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideasfor

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> > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or > Ferrari.........cmon > > > aliens reveal your secrets! > > > Thanks for any help > > > -- > > > Greg31 > > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

3:20s in both a Lotus or Eagle via F1 are 'attainable' & not overly hard if you put some time in this track! Spa, is one 'fantastic track' no matter what others say and if you put 40-60 laps just watch those times drop! Watch replays of the aliens' :-) aka hotshoes as they will show you the breaking points, lines, shifting etc. If I can do it anyone can!! :-) Good Luck.. Thom_j. |"Greg" wrote: | | Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlappingbut | cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking | ahead of myself in GPLRank...it seems pretty easy to lots of people, and I | note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but | that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for | setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus orFerrari.........cmon | aliens reveal your secrets! | Thanks for any help --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

>they will show you the breaking points, lines, shifting etc. Man, when it comes to me and Spa, I know ALL the breaking points! Don't know how my mechanics can repair her so quickly :) Rafe Mc

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>I would forget about the Ferrari at Spa -- too many high speed >stretches where the red car just doesn't have the power. Get in the >Lotus. Download Huttu's setup and use it. The Eagle seems to work >nicely for me as well. > >Or don't listen to me at all because the best I have managed at Spa is >a 3:26.95 ;-)

I've seen several people(Rick Prydden springs to mind) lap Spa in a Ferrari in the 3:15-3:18 range. It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Roland Ehnstr�m's and others' are at http://www.mycgiserver.com/~gplhotlaps/ Huttu has his own site: http://www.kolumbus.fi/ghuttu/gpl.htm. Jens Schumi's setups are nice, esp. for Spa and the Ring: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/jensschu/RacingCorner.htm --Jeff "Murray Shields" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZA07.630$[email hidden]... > In this thread everyone keeps talking about getting that person or another > person's setups..... but where do I get them? > > "Book" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > As suggested get Greggor's setups and use the GH ones, not the GH2aliens > > only ones. Use the Lotus and load up 5 laps. Watch the original replay > to > > see where the surprise gear changes are (basically they go slower thanyou

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> > do but are 5-6secs faster than you.) I read somewhere that Spa is all > about > > exit speed so go in slow and fast out. I used to be 3.25, loaded up GH > > setup and did a 3.21. This also applies to taming hte ring. > > Book > > > > "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]... > > > > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > > > > > It isn't. > > > > > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > > > > > Practice. > > > > > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > > > > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the

very > > > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not thesecret.

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> > > > > > --Jeff > > > +14.22 > > > > > > > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while > hotlapping > > > but > > > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a > > goal)....looking > > > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, > but > > > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas > for > > > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or > > Ferrari.........cmon > > > > aliens reveal your secrets! > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > -- > > > > Greg31 > > > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"EldredP" > I've seen several people(Rick Prydden springs to mind) lap Spa in a Ferrari in > the 3:15-3:18 range. It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g> > > EldredDave Henrie Broken Arrow

This a great saying, Eldred!! :-) I like it!! :-) "EldredP" wrote: | It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g> | Eldred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Have you tried lots of practice? Took me a lot of laps to get from 3:23 to 3:20. I also dislike how the eagle (and lotus) feels at spa, even though they're nice cars elsewhere, but they are the fastest. I did my PB in the eagle with default setup (3:20.31). It was only about a week ago I did that PB so I can tell you which corner I had to improve to get the 3:20, maybe you're having problem in the same corners. The main problem I had was a right hander two turns after stavelot. Stavelot is the sweeping right with barriers both sides about 2/3rds of the way through the lap. It's followed by a slight left kink, and then theres a bigger left kink which leads straight into the first of two right handers. I detest these two right-handers, but anyway, I was taking the first one *way* too slow. Instead of braking, as you come round the left hand kink and see the turn just mostly release the throttle and get the car way over to the far left hand edge of the road, then pull the car hard across to the inside at the apex and you'll find you can take the corner a lot faster. The next corner I improved at was blanchimont. After those two right hander I just described theres a great massive straight, and then a kink to the right. The next corner, a 2nd or 3rd gear left hander is blanchimont. You don't need to brake half as much as you'd think here. Brake less, take the corner faster, and 'throw' the car over to the inside as you take the turn, and again you'll be able to take the turn quicker. Other bits to work on, get a good exit from Les Combes, and try not to lose any more speed than is necessary in Masta. Anyway, I'm going to edit my version of Spa and remove Malmedy ;) "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlappingbut

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> cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking > ahead of myself in GPLRank...it seems pretty easy to lots of people, and I > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari.........cmon > aliens reveal your secrets! > Thanks for any help > -- > Greg31 > +80.30 > > > >

Higher speed! Sorry, couldnt help it! :-) ed_

Thanks for everyones help/advice...and the setup sites, I'll give them a go....whats frustrating here is that most tracks I KNOW when I am not fast, whereas with Spa I feel like I just had a killer lap and see the time and say "DAYUM!! is that it?" Thanks again for your time guys -- Greg31 Simon Brown wrote in message ... >Have you tried lots of practice? Took me a lot of laps to get from 3:23 to >3:20. I also dislike how the eagle (and lotus) feels at spa, even though

Greg <[email hidden]> wrote on 04 Jul 2001: > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while > hotlapping but cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...<snip> Hey, a question I can answer! Normally these things are of the order of "why is it so easy to do 7:45 at the Ring in a BRM blindfolded?"... Anyhow, I'd say that if you're unstable in an Eagle at Spa, you'll be unstable in the other cars too. Building a rhythm is important for all the tracks, but for Spa it's absolutely vital - you need to *flow* from one corner into the next. Point and squirt won't work here. Other people have mentioned Roland Ehnstr�m's setups, and I certainly think they're easier to drive than Greger Huttu's - they're much more stable, and can easily be used for a race and not just a hotlap. I use a tweaked version of RE's setup myself - it used to be available from my website, but the Spa page is down right now (must get it back up sometime!). Email me if you want it. Here's what I do at Spa, in briefest outline: Take Eau Rouge in 3rd, slide around the l-h bend at the top, just avoiding clipping the grass bank on the inside. Up to 5th. Down to 2nd, and slide around the tight l-h. Flat out down the hill (including the chicane). High 4th or medium 5th to taste round the long r-h, into Malmedy. Malmedy is incredibly difficult to get right, but if I'm flowing I do it all in 3rd with not much change in throttle. Do *not* lift right off here - you'll end up in the hedge. Slide out of the bottom of Malmedy onto the long straight and thrash down in top gear - you should top 200mph. Don't change down for Masta, and steer early into the lower, r- h part of the corner. Dash down the hill on the left. Enter Stavelot in 5th and gradually scrub speed off around it, changing down to 4th then 3rd. Go right out to the left as you start the uphill section. Foot flat to the floor around a couple of gentle curves, then take the right-hander in 4th. Go out wide to the left on the approach, then clip the apex and *accelerate* round it - counterintuitive, but it works. About 165mph will do. Up the short straight into another r-h bend. This is a tricky one; I take it in a very high 3rd, but a medium 4th might be better in a race situation. Again, accelerate through the corner. Then up to a vicious double-apex left. Brake just before the end of the dark groove, and slide around into the very short straight. Up into 4th just before the second corner. Stay in 4th around the r-h. The next l-h needs a tiny lift from the top of 4th gear, which allows you to slingshot around into the short straight leading up to La Source. Brake just after the 200 board, but be careful - it's very easy to spin here. La Source itself is a 40mph 1st-gear corner, which is easy, but judging when to put the gas back on isn't. Then down the hill, and over the line. (The above came from watching a 3:19 I did. Not by any means perfect, but it shows it can be done!) -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

In article <g1N07.32357$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The main problem I had was a right hander two turns after stavelot. >Stavelot is the sweeping right with barriers both sides about 2/3rds of the >way through the lap. It's followed by a slight left kink, and then theres a >bigger left kink which leads straight into the first of two right handers. >I detest these two right-handers, but anyway, I was taking the first one >*way* too slow. Instead of braking, as you come round the left hand kink >and see the turn just mostly release the throttle and get the car way over >to the far left hand edge of the road, then pull the car hard across to the >inside at the apex and you'll find you can take the corner a lot faster.

Hmm...my main problem *is* Stavelot. In races(AI or Humans), I lose a TON of time there to other cars. I haven't figured it out yet. I've been getting through Blanchimont and the right-hander you mentioned better than before, but it hasn't made a big impact on my laptimes yet. When I nail THOSE, then I usually screw up somewhere else... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <xqM07.1076$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >This a great saying, Eldred!! :-) I like it!! :-) > >"EldredP" wrote: >| It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g> >| Eldred Thanks, but I can't take credit for it. I 'stole' it frome someone in a bowling newsgroup... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I dont care cuz I still like it!!! :-) "EldredP" wrote:

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| Thanks, but I can't take credit for it. I 'stole' it frome someone in a | bowling newsgroup... :-) | | Eldred | "Thom j."writes: | >This a great saying, Eldred!! :-) I like it!! :-) | > | >"EldredP" wrote: | >| It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g> | >| Eldred

I know what you mean. All those laps I did at Spa to get a new PB, I didn't enjoy any of them really (apart from the last one). The number of fast laps I screwed up on the simplest of corners. I'm always wondering why I hear so many people say it's their favourite track, I find it extremely frustrating, way worse than the ring. Here's how I take Stavelot for what it's worth - Just before the car hits the darker groove at the turn in point, lift off almost completely and shift down two gears straight away. Keep the car aimed well to the right of the groove the whole time to avoid another close encounter with that hay bail!. Keep the throttle quite low and let the revs keep dropping and dropping until you get in between the two white brick walls on either side. Roughly half way between the start and end of the white brick wall, floor the throttle and let the car drift wide on the exit. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Hmm...my main problem *is* Stavelot. In races(AI or Humans), I lose a TONof > time there to other cars. I haven't figured it out yet. > I've been getting through Blanchimont and the right-hander you mentionedbetter > than before, but it hasn't made a big impact on my laptimes yet. When Inail

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> THOSE, then I usually screw up somewhere else... :( > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

I'm only down to 3:23, but my feeling is that exit speed is super important. Don't worry so much about braking points, but if you can start a long straight with more speed, it will be a big help. This is true on most tracks, but more so at Spa. Bob Simpson

I always hated the second of those two right handers, the tighter 3rd gear one. At least that dirt banking on the outside always prevented me from losing more time :) On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 22:46:36 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Have you tried lots of practice? Took me a lot of laps to get from 3:23 to >3:20. I also dislike how the eagle (and lotus) feels at spa, even though >they're nice cars elsewhere, but they are the fastest. I did my PB in the >eagle with default setup (3:20.31). > >It was only about a week ago I did that PB so I can tell you which corner I >had to improve to get the 3:20, maybe you're having problem in the same >corners. > >The main problem I had was a right hander two turns after stavelot. >Stavelot is the sweeping right with barriers both sides about 2/3rds of the >way through the lap. It's followed by a slight left kink, and then theres a >bigger left kink which leads straight into the first of two right handers. >I detest these two right-handers, but anyway, I was taking the first one >*way* too slow. Instead of braking, as you come round the left hand kink >and see the turn just mostly release the throttle and get the car way over >to the far left hand edge of the road, then pull the car hard across to the >inside at the apex and you'll find you can take the corner a lot faster. > >The next corner I improved at was blanchimont. After those two right hander >I just described theres a great massive straight, and then a kink to the >right. The next corner, a 2nd or 3rd gear left hander is blanchimont. You >don't need to brake half as much as you'd think here. Brake less, take the >corner faster, and 'throw' the car over to the inside as you take the turn, >and again you'll be able to take the turn quicker. > >Other bits to work on, get a good exit from Les Combes, and try not to lose >any more speed than is necessary in Masta. > >Anyway, I'm going to edit my version of Spa and remove Malmedy ;) > >"Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... >> >> Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while hotlapping >but >> cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a goal)....looking >> ahead of myself in GPLRank...it seems pretty easy to lots of people, and I >> note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, but >> that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas for >> setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari.........cmon >> aliens reveal your secrets! >> Thanks for any help >> -- >> Greg31 >> +80.30 >> >> >> >> >

The trouble with Spa is one has time to think about the next corner, unlike a place like Zandvoort, where you "just do it". I try to drive the track instinctively. That said, I'm not close to doing 3m20's as a matter of course. Jan. =--- "EldredP" wrote...

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> <snip> > Hmm...my main problem *is* Stavelot. In races(AI > or Humans), I lose a TON of time there to other cars. > I haven't figured it out yet. I've been getting > through Blanchimont and the right-hander you mentioned > better than before, but it hasn't made a big impact on > my laptimes yet. When I nail THOSE, then I usually > screw up somewhere else... :( > > Eldred

[email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I always hated the second of those two right handers, the tighter 3rd > gear one. At least that dirt banking on the outside always prevented > me from losing more time :) > > Someone ought to rename that the "Shift R" corner :) -- "Hamsters - more fun for less money" Per Thulin Spamblock in operation - remove the obvious to reply by mail.

fwiw kiddz :-) This is still one of my favorite tracks..lol I guess ever since Tim Wheatley did a complete detailed "How To" on my old sloppy laps at Spa, my lap times went from 3:23s to 3:20s in just a few days!! I hit a 3:18+ but that was before the GPL upgrade and raised the minimum chassis height! :o( I never got below 3:20 since but I keep trying :-) Anywayz Thanx TimW, With your help my Spa times are always in the low 3:20 range.. Cheers Thom_j. "Simon Brown" wrote: | I know what you mean. All those laps I did at Spa to get a new PB, Ididn't | enjoy any of them really (apart from the last one). The number of fastlaps | I screwed up on the simplest of corners. I'm always wondering why I hearso | many people say it's their favourite track, I find it extremelyfrustrating, | way worse than the ring. | | Here's how I take Stavelot for what it's worth - Just before the car hits | the darker groove at the turn in point, lift off almost completely andshift | down two gears straight away. Keep the car aimed well to the right of the | groove the whole time to avoid another close encounter with that haybail!. | Keep the throttle quite low and let the revs keep dropping and dropping | until you get in between the two white brick walls on either side.Roughly | half way between the start and end of the white brick wall, floor the | throttle and let the car drift wide on the exit. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

In article <YrW07.36130$[email hidden]>, Simon Brown <[email hidden]> writes

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>I know what you mean. All those laps I did at Spa to get a new PB, I didn't >enjoy any of them really (apart from the last one). The number of fast laps >I screwed up on the simplest of corners. I'm always wondering why I hear >so >many people say it's their favourite track, I find it extremely frustrating, >way worse than the ring. > >Here's how I take Stavelot for what it's worth - Just before the car hits >the darker groove at the turn in point, lift off almost completely and shift >down two gears straight away.

Try dropping just 1 gear for the first part - the car will drift wide but not too wide - and then another gear before the 2 walls. Also keep on the throttle all the time otherwise the car can oversteer off the inside.

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>Keep the car aimed well to the right of the >groove the whole time to avoid another close encounter with that hay bail!. >Keep the throttle quite low and let the revs keep dropping and dropping >until you get in between the two white brick walls on either side. Roughly >half way between the start and end of the white brick wall, floor the >throttle and let the car drift wide on the exit. >

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>Malmedy is incredibly difficult to get right, but if I'm flowing I do >it all in 3rd with not much change in throttle. Do *not* lift right off >here - you'll end up in the hedge. Slide out of the bottom of Malmedy >onto the long straight and thrash down in top gear - you should top >200mph. Don't change down for Masta, and steer early into the lower, r- >h part of the corner. Dash down the hill on the left. >

You should *top* 200? I don't even GET to 200...even on my PB - I just checked.

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>Enter Stavelot in 5th and gradually scrub speed off around it, changing >down to 4th then 3rd. Go right out to the left as you start the uphill >section. Foot flat to the floor around a couple of gentle curves, then >take the right-hander in 4th. Go out wide to the left on the approach, >then clip the apex and *accelerate* round it - counterintuitive, but it >works. About 165mph will do. > >Up the short straight into another r-h bend. This is a tricky one; I >take it in a very high 3rd, but a medium 4th might be better in a race >situation. Again, accelerate through the corner. Then up to a vicious >double-apex left. Brake just before the end of the dark groove, and >slide around into the very short straight. Up into 4th just before the >second corner. Stay in 4th around the r-h.

Why would 4th be better in a race? Doesn't that make it hard to judge your braking if you normally go by engine sound in a certain gear? It does for me. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yea 200+mph? or kph? I never saw a 200+mph yet? close but not 200+ Enquiring minds would like to know!! :-) From: "EldredP" | You should *top* 200? I don't even GET to 200...even on my PB - I just | checked. (David Buttery) writes:

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| | >Malmedy is incredibly difficult to get right, but if I'm flowing I do | >it all in 3rd with not much change in throttle. Do *not* lift right off | >here - you'll end up in the hedge. Slide out of the bottom of Malmedy | >onto the long straight and thrash down in top gear - you should top | >200mph. Don't change down for Masta, and steer early into the lower, r- | >h part of the corner. Dash down the hill on the left. | >

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Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Jul 2001: > Yea 200+mph? or kph? I never saw a 200+mph yet? close but not 200+ > Enquiring minds would like to know!! :-) Mph. You can't do it with the default setup without a tow, but it's not too hard with RE's setup (or mine, which is based on RE's). -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Jul 2001: <snip> > Why would 4th be better in a race?<snip> >Doesn't that make it hard to judge your braking if you normally go by >engine sound in a certain gear? It does for me. The clue is in my post: a "very high" 3rd - which strains the engine more that you'd like in a long race. And I take your point about sound - I wouldn't risk using a different gear at a really nasty corner like Malmedy, but this one I can usually get away with... -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:YrW07.36130$[email hidden]:

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> Here's how I take Stavelot for what it's worth - Just before the car > hits the darker groove at the turn in point, lift off almost completely > and shift down two gears straight away. Keep the car aimed well to the > right of the groove the whole time to avoid another close encounter > with that hay bail!. Keep the throttle quite low and let the revs keep > dropping and dropping until you get in between the two white brick > walls on either side. Roughly half way between the start and end of > the white brick wall, floor the throttle and let the car drift wide on > the exit.

I am glad I was not following you in Stavelot ;> I start to turn-in still going full throttle just before the darker groove begins, few moments later I start slowly release throttle trying to do it very gradually so I'll reach about 30% throttle just before brick walls start. I shift down twice when the revs are right (to 4th soon after the hay, to 3rd almost at the wall). The I stabilize the car and slowly start to accelerate. Alex (alexti)

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in news:C8717.351$[email hidden]: > Yea 200+mph? or kph? I never saw a 200+mph yet? close but not 200+ > Enquiring minds would like to know!! :-) I have just checked few of my replays in Eagle, usually 200 mph exactly, 201 mph on one lap. Alex (alexto)

Guess I better check a few of mine? Maybe I'm hitting 200mph right before the "kink" but never knew it?....lol "Alex" wrote: | I have just checked few of my replays in Eagle, usually 200 mph | exactly, 201 mph on one lap. | Alex | (alexto) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Alex) writes:

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>"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:YrW07.36130$[email hidden]: > >> Here's how I take Stavelot for what it's worth - Just before the car >> hits the darker groove at the turn in point, lift off almost completely >> and shift down two gears straight away. Keep the car aimed well to the >> right of the groove the whole time to avoid another close encounter >> with that hay bail!. Keep the throttle quite low and let the revs keep >> dropping and dropping until you get in between the two white brick >> walls on either side. Roughly half way between the start and end of >> the white brick wall, floor the throttle and let the car drift wide on >> the exit. > >I am glad I was not following you in Stavelot ;> I start to turn-in >still going full throttle just before the darker groove begins, >few moments later I start slowly release throttle trying to do it >very gradually so I'll reach about 30% throttle just before brick >walls start. I shift down twice when the revs are right (to 4th >soon after the hay, to 3rd almost at the wall). The I stabilize the >car and slowly start to accelerate.

If you don't want to follow *Simon* through there, you REALLY won't want to follow me... I *brake* at the last marker before the turn. So, not only am I slowing more drastically than you guys, I even do it *earlier*...<g> But, if I wait *any* later to slow down, or slow down less, I'm trimming hedges... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Jul 2001: > ><snip> >> Why would 4th be better in a race? ><snip> >>Doesn't that make it hard to judge your braking if you normally go by >>engine sound in a certain gear? It does for me. > >The clue is in my post: a "very high" 3rd - which strains the engine >more that you'd like in a long race. And I take your point about sound >- I wouldn't risk using a different gear at a really nasty corner like >Malmedy, but this one I can usually get away with...

Gotcha... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > >they will show you the breaking points, lines, shifting etc. > > Man, when it comes to me and Spa, I know ALL the breaking points! > Don't know how my mechanics can repair her so quickly :) > > Rafe Mc

Shift-R perhaps?

That's got to be target fixation Eldred. There is absolutely no need to brake for Stavelot. It's just a matter of turning in early and low into the turn, scrubbing speed all the way as you drift back up the track and go down two gears (perhaps a quick dab with the left foot here to make sure one misses the hedges). Then cutting back down for the apex and booting it back up the hill Perhaps you'd be better off just coasting it in (foot completely off accellerator), banging it down two gears at the apex and accellerating back out. Jan. =--- "EldredP" wrote...

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> <snip> > If you don't want to follow *Simon* through there, you > REALLY won't want to follow me... I *brake* at the > last marker before the turn. So, not only am I slowing > more drastically than you guys, I even do it > *earlier*...<g> > But, if I wait *any* later to slow down, or slow down > less, I'm trimming hedges... :-) > > Eldred

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>That's got to be target fixation Eldred. There is absolutely no need to >brake for Stavelot. It's just a matter of turning in early and low into the >turn, scrubbing speed all the way as you drift back up the track and go down >two gears (perhaps a quick dab with the left foot here to make sure one >misses the hedges). Then cutting back down for the apex and booting it back >up the hill > >Perhaps you'd be better off just coasting it in (foot completely off >accellerator), banging it down two gears at the apex and accellerating back >out.

"Absolutely no need to brake"? Something tells me I'm going to tear up a lot of cars this weekend...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Where we can get this Roland E setups? Thanks MP "Mike P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7ny07.468$[email hidden]... > Spa is all about speed in long straights. You must carry as much speed as > possible out of all corners, as they normally connect to long straights, > where u can make or lose seconds. Work on your driving line and try tomake

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> exits as smooth as possible. Gearing is also important here. I'd recommend > Roland E setups.. they are much easier to drive fast then GHs.. and > ultimately I find them even faster if really pushed. And dont overdo it at > Masta- better brake earlier and start accelerating sooner to carry speed > down the following straight. If u dont believe me, watch your replay to > someone else's with Replay Analyser. Oh and one more thing.. practise :-) > > > > "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]... > > > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > > > It isn't. > > > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > > > Practice. > > > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the very > > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not the secret. > > > > --Jeff > > +14.22 > > > > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while

hotlapping > > but > > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a > goal)....looking > > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's,but > > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideasfor

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> > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or > Ferrari.........cmon > > > aliens reveal your secrets! > > > Thanks for any help > > > -- > > > Greg31 > > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"EldredP" writes: > "Absolutely no need to brake"? Something tells me I'm going to tear up alot > of cars this weekend...<g> > > EldredStavelot. Brake. Definitely not. Never have. I use the same method as Alexti. Everyone else still leaves me behind coming away from the corner. Tony Whitley PB 03:19.92

Should I have said "unless you're following Eldred..."? <vbg> Seriously, after looking through my replay archive and finding no lap I was happy with, I decided I'd do a couple of laps to get a good example of Stavelot. Broke the 2nd repair I made to my downshift paddle on my first attempt, fixed that (even more solid fix now) and went back. Did a pretty decent lap, a new PB in fact. Ok, I've done better at Haute de la Cote, entry to Cottages and Blanchimont on other laps, but at 3m21.24s I'll take it. Anyway, here' how I drive Stavelot most of the time... http://users.pandora.be/jan..verschueren./jv_3m21s24.zip Hope it helps, Jan. =--- PS.: and yup, I hit the double ton before Masta. Never noticed that before. "EldredP" wrote... > <snip> "Absolutely no need to brake"? Something tells > me I'm going to tear up a lot of cars this weekend...<g> > > Eldred

> Where we can get this Roland E setups? http://www.mycgiserver.com/~gplhotlaps/ "M�rio Pires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9i4iuu$2r0$[email hidden]... > Thanks > MP > > "Mike P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7ny07.468$[email hidden]... > > Spa is all about speed in long straights. You must carry as much speedas > > possible out of all corners, as they normally connect to long straights, > > where u can make or lose seconds. Work on your driving line and try to > make > > exits as smooth as possible. Gearing is also important here. I'drecommend > > Roland E setups.. they are much easier to drive fast then GHs.. and > > ultimately I find them even faster if really pushed. And dont overdo itat > > Masta- better brake earlier and start accelerating sooner to carry speed > > down the following straight. If u dont believe me, watch your replay to > > someone else's with Replay Analyser. Oh and one more thing.. practise:-)

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> > > > > > > > "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9hu86i$ka0$[email hidden]... > > > > ...it seems pretty easy to lots of people > > > > > > It isn't. > > > > > > > anyone have ideas for setups, techniques, tricks etc? > > > > > > Practice. > > > > > > > I prefer the Lotus or Ferrari......... > > > > > > Drive the car you're comfortable with. If you look at GPLRank, the

very > > > fastest can crack 3:20 in any car. Top speed is clearly not thesecret.

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> > > > > > --Jeff > > > +14.22 > > > > > > > > > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Kqt07.120235$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Man I have d/l'd replays etc and seem right on the edge while > hotlapping > > > but > > > > cannot get near a 3:20 at Spa...(picked that number as a > > goal)....looking > > > > note the majority use the eagle..I assume for its BHP at high rpm's, > but > > > > that car is unstable to my style at that track.... anyone have ideas > for > > > > setups, techniques, tricks etc? I prefer the Lotus or > > Ferrari.........cmon > > > > aliens reveal your secrets! > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > -- > > > > Greg31 > > > > +80.30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <9i504m$lr4$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> writes:

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>"EldredP" writes: >> "Absolutely no need to brake"? Something tells me I'm going to tear up a >lot >> of cars this weekend...<g> >> >> Eldred >Stavelot. Brake. Definitely not. Never have. > >I use the same method as Alexti. Everyone else still leaves me behind coming >away from the corner. >

I get caught going IN to the corner, and get left coming OUT of the corner...<g> Funny thing is, when I started playing GPL, I don't think I was braking either. But my problems now could be from me getting through Masta about 20mph faster now... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Should I have said "unless you're following Eldred..."? <vbg> > >Seriously, after looking through my replay archive and finding no lap I was >happy with, I decided I'd do a couple of laps to get a good example of >Stavelot. Broke the 2nd repair I made to my downshift paddle on my first >attempt, fixed that (even more solid fix now) and went back. Did a pretty >decent lap, a new PB in fact. Ok, I've done better at Haute de la Cote, >entry to Cottages and Blanchimont on other laps, but at 3m21.24s I'll take >it. > >Anyway, here' how I drive Stavelot most of the time... >

Ok, thanks - I'll check it out. Although something seems to be wrong with my wheel. I can't control the car anymore - it screwed me up in league races last night and this morning... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > Ok, thanks - I'll check it out. Although something seems to be wrong with my > wheel. I can't control the car anymore - it screwed me up in league races last > night and this morning... :( Eldred, Your steering pot may need replacing. I replaced the pot on my TSW a couple weeks ago and all is good. It was to the point where I couldn't drive the car in a straight line, no matter how many times I calibrated the wheel. (You're still using a TSW, right? Or did you give in to the dark side and get something with FF?) Gary

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> > Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > > > >they will show you the breaking points, lines, shifting etc. > > > > Man, when it comes to me and Spa, I know ALL the breaking points! > > Don't know how my mechanics can repair her so quickly :) > > > > Rafe Mc > > Shift-R perhaps?

OOPS...forgot the smiley face :-) Wasn't trying to be a dickhead, just came home a little intoxicated. (Actually, I came home really hammered, as I don't remember leaving any posts on RAS and I found a couple tonight!) Thank god for designated drivers. Gary

"Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : OOPS...forgot the smiley face :-) : Wasn't trying to be a dickhead, just came home a little intoxicated. : LOL!! I've made some pretty dumb posts while under the influence. Though... I've driven some pretty good laps too (no fear!). Dale.

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> > "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : OOPS...forgot the smiley face :-) > : Wasn't trying to be a dickhead, just came home a little intoxicated. > : > > LOL!! I've made some pretty dumb posts while under the influence. > Though... I've driven some pretty good laps too (no fear!). > > Dale.

I used to save my replays when I was giving GPL the whip whilst drinking. Never had any good times though, with GPL that is. I usually had one helluva time getting tanked though! Last Thursday night was no exception. Giddy-up! Gary GPl F1 handicap:+33 GPL F2 handicap:+141 Monsters Handicap:+492

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> Ok, thanks - I'll check it out. Although something seems to be wrong with >my >> wheel. I can't control the car anymore - it screwed me up in league races >last >> night and this morning... :( > >Eldred, > >Your steering pot may need replacing. I replaced the pot on my TSW a >couple weeks ago and all is good. It was to the point where I couldn't >drive the car in a straight line, no matter how many times I calibrated >the wheel. (You're still using a TSW, right? Or did you give in to the >dark side and get something with FF?)

I just replaced the pot about a month ago. It made it much better at the time. I'm thinking there's some OTHER ghost in this system. It screwed me up in the online GP today, too - I didn't even make 10 laps... >:-{ I'm about to throw this f'king system out a window... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > I just replaced the pot about a month ago. It made it much better at the time. > I'm thinking there's some OTHER ghost in this system. It screwed me up in the > online GP today, too - I didn't even make 10 laps... >:-{ > I'm about to throw this f'king system out a window... Corrupted DirectX file? :-p -- Fester

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> I just replaced the pot about a month ago. It made it much better at the >time. >> I'm thinking there's some OTHER ghost in this system. It screwed me up in >the >> online GP today, too - I didn't even make 10 laps... >:-{ >> I'm about to throw this f'king system out a window... > > >Corrupted DirectX file? :-p >

I considered that. Hey, you never know... Will re-loading win98 get rid of that? How do you 'remove' DX7a? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > I considered that. Hey, you never know... > Will re-loading win98 get rid of that? Well, a format & reinstall would if you like the brutal approach. >How do you 'remove' DX7a? Howz about updating to DX8a? Sounds easiest to me... -- Fester

Email me Eldred I have the Dx_ Un'install util and I think it should work fine. if you want to go this way? Thom_j. "EldredP" wrote: | I considered that. Hey, you never know... | Will re-loading win98 get rid of that? How do you 'remove' DX7a? | Eldred | -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> I considered that. Hey, you never know... >> Will re-loading win98 get rid of that? > >Well, a format & reinstall would if you like the brutal approach. > >>How do you 'remove' DX7a? > >Howz about updating to DX8a? Sounds easiest to me...

I don't trust it... I heard too many people bitching about how it screwed things up. And, it screwed up one of my servers at work(from N4). I had to re-format the system. Besides, didn't someone say that the DX8 install won't fix a corrupted file? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred EVERY time there is a dx update, folks start screaming. If you listen to the people with problems, you should still be back at dx3. NOw...here's my point: IF your system is stable now, and runs everything you have NOW and isn't giving you any problem NOW then you don't NEED dx8. There will come a time when you WILL have to have dx8 but IF your system is stable and compatible then you have no need to update. The first sim that I've heard of that will take advantage of dx8 is WSC so unless something sneaks in ahead of it..perhaps Nascar 2002 by EA then you will be better off ignoring dx8. However, if you are INDEED having controller problems or sound or video, then by all means update to dx8. It can't be any worse than what you have now and even if you do have problems, you can debug them in time for WSC. dave henrie (ambiguous answer ain't it?) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >EldredP wrote: > >> I considered that. Hey, you never know... > >> Will re-loading win98 get rid of that? > > > >Well, a format & reinstall would if you like the brutal approach. > > > >>How do you 'remove' DX7a? > > > >Howz about updating to DX8a? Sounds easiest to me... > > I don't trust it... I heard too many people bitching about how it screwed > things up. And, it screwed up one of my servers at work(from N4). I had

to > re-format the system. Besides, didn't someone say that the DX8 installwon't

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> fix a corrupted file? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No makes perfect sense... When upgrading one's motherboard everyone says "do a re-install", I say, provided you've made back-ups (as you would when re-installing), shove it in anyway and see what happens. If things get screwed beyond repair, re-install, if Windows plug and play works for a change you've just saved yourself a rebuild. FWIW, I upgraded to DX8 with the N4 install and have no problems whatsoever. Jan. =--- "Dave Henrie" wrote... > Eldred EVERY time there is a dx update, folks start > screaming. <snip>

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>No makes perfect sense... > >When upgrading one's motherboard everyone says "do a re-install", I say, >provided you've made back-ups (as you would when re-installing), shove it in >anyway and see what happens. If things get screwed beyond repair, >re-install, if Windows plug and play works for a change you've just saved >yourself a rebuild. > >FWIW, I upgraded to DX8 with the N4 install and have no problems whatsoever. >

What kind of video card do you have? I tried it on a system with a V2 - mass destruction...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <lW827.319904$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Eldred EVERY time there is a dx update, folks start screaming. If you >listen to the people with problems, you should still be back at dx3. >NOw...here's my point: >IF your system is stable now, and runs everything you have NOW and isn't >giving you any problem NOW then you don't NEED dx8. There will come a time >when you WILL have to have dx8 but IF your system is stable and compatible >then you have no need to update.

Which is why I hadn't worried about it until now... It was working fine until a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think(or can't remember) that anything's changed...

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> The first sim that I've heard of that will take advantage of dx8 is WSC so >unless something sneaks in ahead of it..perhaps Nascar 2002 by EA then you >will be better off ignoring dx8. > However, if you are INDEED having controller problems or sound or video, >then by all means update to dx8. It can't be any worse than what you have >now and even if you do have problems, you can debug them in time for WSC. >dave henrie >(ambiguous answer ain't it?)

I'm still worried about DX8 screwing up my home system. When it messed up my work system, re-formatting wasn't a problem. There wasn't anything on it that couldn't be easily re-loaded. Actually, there wasn't much on it period. My home system is a LOT different. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL, Eldred, a man does need to have priorities, right ;)? -Gregor EldredP wrote: > > I'm still worried about DX8 screwing up my home system. When it messed up my > work system, re-formatting wasn't a problem. There wasn't anything on it that > couldn't be easily re-loaded. Actually, there wasn't much on it period. My > home system is a LOT different. >

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>LOL, Eldred, a man does need to have priorities, right ;)? > >-Gregor > >EldredP wrote: >> >> I'm still worried about DX8 screwing up my home system. When it messed up >my >> work system, re-formatting wasn't a problem. There wasn't anything on it >that >> couldn't be easily re-loaded. Actually, there wasn't much on it period. >My >> home system is a LOT different. >>

Well...yeah. Aren't *most* people more protective of their home systems than their work systems...?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

just deltree c:\windows you'll most likely have to re-install some software on top of itself so windows can find it again, but if all you delete is windows, you keep all your other stuff. just lose whats on your desktop and your internet stuff. dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble<[email hidden]>

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> writes: > > >LOL, Eldred, a man does need to have priorities, right ;)? > > > >-Gregor > > > >EldredP wrote: > >> > >> I'm still worried about DX8 screwing up my home system. When it messed

up > >my > >> work system, re-formatting wasn't a problem. There wasn't anything onit > >that > >> couldn't be easily re-loaded. Actually, there wasn't much on itperiod. > >My > >> home system is a LOT different. > >> > > Well...yeah. Aren't *most* people more protective of their home systemsthan

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> their work systems...?<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lW827.319904$[email hidden]... > Eldred EVERY time there is a dx update, folks start screaming. If you > listen to the people with problems, you should still be back at dx3. > NOw...here's my point: > IF your system is stable now, and runs everything you have NOW and isn't > giving you any problem NOW then you don't NEED dx8. There will come atime > when you WILL have to have dx8 but IF your system is stable and compatible > then you have no need to update. > The first sim that I've heard of that will take advantage of dx8 is WSCso

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> unless something sneaks in ahead of it..perhaps Nascar 2002 by EA then you > will be better off ignoring dx8. > However, if you are INDEED having controller problems or sound or video, > then by all means update to dx8. It can't be any worse than what you have > now and even if you do have problems, you can debug them in time for WSC. > dave henrie > (ambiguous answer ain't it?)

Dave, I don't know if you know of this but I found it on one of the Abit ng's and I thought it might be of help to some people experiencing trouble with DX 8.0 -- 8.0a. I tried it and it worked for me... what follows is the original post from the abit mainboard ng pasted here for clarity as I would probably foul up trying to explain it in my own words... =================================================== ...Microsoft left debug mode on in 8 and 8a for Direct sound. That is eating up cpu cycles from hell having that on, not to mention software/hardware conflicts that can create. Well I hope this helps some people. This will cure many ailments. Extract to Windows/System then go to Control Panel click on the Dx applet go to the Direct sound tab and slide the debug slider all the way to the left <<<<< to disable debug mode. It will work w/ 8.1 but I believe debug is off w/ that version. Microsoft remembered to check. www.gamevoiceclub.com/Download/dxapplet.zip ================================================== Regards, Robin

A V3 PCI. But I did upgrade the vid card (from S3 Daytona + 2xV2 SLI) along with the MB last time. Jan. =--- "EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > What kind of video card do you have? I tried it on a > system with a V2 - mass destruction...<g> > > Eldred