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I`ve just built my new pc.... it`s a AMD Thunderbird 1.4Ghz... my 1st AMD.... and I`m a little lost.... i`ve built my last 4 PC`s, but they where all Pentiums..... When i turn this one on on the boot up screen it say 120Mhz(24x5.0) could someone explain that... as my others where easy ass they said PII450--PIII550---PIII600...etc easy to understand... also the computer seems to shut down after about 1:1/2 hours of use and re-boots itself... The Cpu temp is only 52 degrees.....? I`ve got 256megs @ 133mhz.... the mother board is a Lex mainboard....? BN780PRO... i`ve not found there web site yet either....? The shop i got it from sell them as kits... motherboard, pro,h/sink,memory and case.... It`s got a 300w PSU, as did my other case.. but it does the same in both.....? I need a brainy person to talk with...please someone help me...

Well, it couldn't possibly be running at 24mhz x 5, modern mobos won't run at anything below 66mhz ONLY 52deg? Unless your talking Farenheit, that's a tad warm!! And wuld explain the crashes after 1-1 1/2 hrs. The lesson here is to NEVER buy a no-name mobo, they are the heart of your PC and should be high quality. If they don't have a website, then they are not to be used!!! Download SANDRA 2001 from www.download.com and check what speeds (cpu, fsb, multiplier, temp, etc) that your system is at, because it can't be running at 120mhz. You should be able to adjust the settings manually with either jumpers or in the bios, but you never know what's available with that mobo. If I were you, I'd take it back and kindly ask the retailer for a brand name mobo, even if it costs a bit more. Cheapies will only lead to heartache... Rafe Mc On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:15:40 +0100, "Paul Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I`ve just built my new pc.... it`s a AMD Thunderbird 1.4Ghz... my 1st >AMD.... and I`m a little lost.... i`ve built my last 4 PC`s, but they where >all Pentiums..... > >When i turn this one on on the boot up screen it say 120Mhz(24x5.0) could >someone explain that... as my others where easy ass they said >PII450--PIII550---PIII600...etc easy to understand... also the computer >seems to shut down after about 1:1/2 hours of use and re-boots itself... >The Cpu temp is only 52 degrees.....? >I`ve got 256megs @ 133mhz.... the mother board is a Lex mainboard....? >BN780PRO... i`ve not found there web site yet either....? >The shop i got it from sell them as kits... motherboard, pro,h/sink,memory >and case.... >It`s got a 300w PSU, as did my other case.. but it does the same in >both.....? >I need a brainy person to talk with...please someone help me... >

>ONLY 52deg? Unless your talking Farenheit, that's a tad warm!! And >wuld explain the crashes after 1-1 1/2 hrs. That's not out of spec for a T-Bird. I've had mine running hotter than that with no crashes. >>When i turn this one on on the boot up screen it say 120Mhz(24x5.0) could >>someone explain that... as my others where easy ass they said Look in your manual for the correct jumper settings maybe? 1.4ghz should be set to 10.5x133. You mb should detect the cpu and set clock cycles and bus speed manually, but for some reason maybe it isn't and you need to change it manually. Check to see that core voltage is set correctly too.

In article <[email hidden]>, Noddy <[email hidden]> writes: >>ONLY 52deg? Unless your talking Farenheit, that's a tad warm!! And >>wuld explain the crashes after 1-1 1/2 hrs. > >That's not out of spec for a T-Bird. I've had mine running hotter than >that with no crashes. My Athlon runs at about that temperature, or a little more. I haven't *noticed* any ill effects...<g> Eldred. -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thank a lot chaps.... now I dont have to be nervous for my own T-bird anymore :-) My 1.33ghz run in that ball-park too... and fromwhat I can see - there noting bad going on. ed_ EldredP writes: > > >>ONLY 52deg? Unless your talking Farenheit, that's a tad warm!! > > My Athlon runs at about that temperature, or a little more. I haven't > *noticed* any ill effects...<g> >

Ed Solheim wrote: > > Thank a lot chaps.... now I dont have to be nervous for my own T-bird > anymore :-) > My 1.33ghz run in that ball-park too... and fromwhat I can see - there > noting bad going on. Not to worry, the three AMD's I've got running are all in the high 50's to mid 60's, depending on what speed they are running at the moment....and yes, they all run on ASUS A7V or A7V133 MoBo's....two of them with V5's even Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:58:53 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thank a lot chaps.... now I dont have to be nervous for my own T-bird >anymore :-) >My 1.33ghz run in that ball-park too... and fromwhat I can see - there >noting bad going on. Yea, you might be able to lower the temp by using good quality thermal grease and a top of the line heatsink/fan, but that's usually only needed if you are overclocking. The *core* of the 1.33c is rated at 97c and a similarly clocked P4 is rated up to only about 70c (going by memory here so may be off a degree or two). But, the T-Bird is designed to tolerate higher temps than a P4.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:29:45 -0400, Noddy <[email hidden]> wrote: >You mb should detect the cpu and set clock >cycles and bus speed manually, Sorry, this should read; "your mb should detect the cpu and set clock cycles and bus speed *automatically*." Not manually. But, that depends on the mb, on my FIC-AD11 mb I had to set the clock cycles to 10 manually with dip switches.

Well, agreed that 52 deg is still within spec, but it's not without it's problems running at that temp. Technically they are sposed to run at around 90, but no one will ever get that actually happening i believe :) If you are running at 50 deg plus, you ARE running hotter than recommended, but if it's stable then it doesn't really matter too much. But 60 is getting a bit much IMO, I'm surprised that they'd be stable at that. What hsf are you using? You may want to invest in a new one, for the sake of your poor chip! BTW, my 1ghz chip runs at 35 deg, and only gets to 43 when running at 1.4ghz. Most people aim for high 30's, low to mid 40's in general, but like I said, if it's still stable at high temps, then who cares? Rafe Mc On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:51:19 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ed Solheim wrote: >> >> Thank a lot chaps.... now I dont have to be nervous for my own T-bird >> anymore :-) >> My 1.33ghz run in that ball-park too... and fromwhat I can see - there >> noting bad going on. > >Not to worry, the three AMD's I've got running are all in the high 50's >to mid 60's, depending on what speed they are running at the >moment....and yes, they all run on ASUS A7V or A7V133 MoBo's....two of >them with V5's even > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >--Groucho Marx--

On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:53:23 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote: >Well, agreed that 52 deg is still within spec, but it's not without >it's problems running at that temp. Technically they are sposed to run >at around 90, but no one will ever get that actually happening i >believe :) That's the core, what you see in your bios is not taken from the core. >BTW, my 1ghz chip runs at 35 deg, and only gets to 43 when running at >1.4ghz. The faster the cpu the more power consumption so the hotter it will run. 43 is very low for 1.4ghz though. What heatsink are you using? Ambient temp also affects the cpu temp so if you live in a cooler climate then that will have an effect too.

Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > Well, agreed that 52 deg is still within spec, but it's not without > it's problems running at that temp. Technically they are sposed to run > at around 90, but no one will ever get that actually happening i > believe :) Oh they will, for a split second or two...:-) > If you are running at 50 deg plus, you ARE running hotter than > recommended, but if it's stable then it doesn't really matter too > much. But 60 is getting a bit much IMO, I'm surprised that they'd be > stable at that. What hsf are you using? You may want to invest in a > new one, for the sake of your poor chip! Well, it's a couple of homemade ones actually, used the biggest HS I could find that would fit and then attached 2 fans, taken from 2 GlobalWin FOP32's The HS was "lapped", not the CPU though, and I used a good quality heat compound when I assembled it, it's usually running a couple of degrees cooler now than it was with just a FOP32 HS/Fan > BTW, my 1ghz chip runs at 35 deg, and only gets to 43 when running at > 1.4ghz. Most people aim for high 30's, low to mid 40's in general, but > like I said, if it's still stable at high temps, then who cares? Well, I keep hearing about people running their AMD's cool, wonder if it's a difference in the way the temp is measured, I'm using the latest version of ASUS Probe, and I checked my main PC the other night before I packed it away, moving house, and it was running at 66 C, that's under 100% CPU load of course and it's fairly hot over here these days, I'd say that during more normal temps in my study I'd see 61-62 degrees This particular CPU is an 1100/100, "unlocked" and running at 1333/133 at the time Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

I think a lot of it is due to the temp probes used. I've got an Iwill mobo, but the temp sensor doesn't actually touch the base of the CPU. Not sure about ASUS, but I know that the Abit actually presses against the base, and tends to read temps higher (and more accurately). I've spoken to other people about the Iwill board who run direct probes on the CPU (like compunurse) to get an accurate temp, and I believe the difference to be as much as 10deg, so mine would then be at 45deg stock speed, 53deg at 1.4ghz (all under 100% load). But that all depends on how your probe works. Maybe add 5 deg or so for one which touches the base of the CPU? And of course, it depends on ambient temps. Mine runs at between 18 and 21 deg. I'm using a Taisol hsf which is fairly big, fan runs at 5000 rpm which is not too loud :) Do you have a photo or anything of your homemade cooler? I've always thought that it wouldn't be too tough to do better than the usual, overpriced ones that are available. Rafe Mc

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>Well, I keep hearing about people running their AMD's cool, wonder if >it's a difference in the way the temp is measured, I'm using the latest >version of ASUS Probe, and I checked my main PC the other night before I >packed it away, moving house, and it was running at 66 C, that's under >100% CPU load of course and it's fairly hot over here these days, I'd >say that during more normal temps in my study I'd see 61-62 degrees > >This particular CPU is an 1100/100, "unlocked" and running at 1333/133 >at the time > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >--Groucho Marx--

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 02:37:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote: >I'm using a Taisol hsf which is fairly big, fan runs at >5000 rpm which is not too loud :) What are the clips like on that HSF? I hate the clips on mine because they are so stiff and am looking for one that is safer to take on and off, and also provides superior cooling.

Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > I think a lot of it is due to the temp probes used. I've got an Iwill > mobo, but the temp sensor doesn't actually touch the base of the CPU. > Not sure about ASUS, but I know that the Abit actually presses against > the base, and tends to read temps higher (and more accurately). I believe it's the same with ASUS > I've spoken to other people about the Iwill board who run direct > probes on the CPU (like compunurse) to get an accurate temp, and I > believe the difference to be as much as 10deg, so mine would then be > at 45deg stock speed, 53deg at 1.4ghz (all under 100% load). But that > all depends on how your probe works. Maybe add 5 deg or so for one > which touches the base of the CPU? Still much lower than mine > And of course, it depends on ambient temps. Mine runs at between 18 > and 21 deg. I'm using a Taisol hsf which is fairly big, fan runs at > 5000 rpm which is not too loud :) URL ? :-) > Do you have a photo or anything of your homemade cooler? I've always > thought that it wouldn't be too tough to do better than the usual, > overpriced ones that are available. Well.....I used a HS from EKL (or something, I looked through our shelves and grabbed the biggest one I could find) rated to 1.2Ghz, initially I wanted to run it stock as it has a fairly large and quiet fan, but then, as usual, I wanted to see how far I could push it :-) So I used the fans from a pair of GlobalWin HS/Fans I had from when I was OC'in my dual Celeron machine, and hey presto....:-) Ni pics I'm afraid and the web site I usually order this from to our shop is down right now, I could give you the general URL, but since it's in Norwegian I don't think you'd find your way around the place :-) Is it much better than the stock GlobalWin stuff, not really, I just got it bad back then and wanted MORE !!!, and got it :-), at least in the way of temps, couldn't push it any further though, I suspect you'd have to get the temps much lower to find more speed, I have a Peltier kit lying around here, but I need to make some special clips to fit it under my HS and I just don't have the energy right now Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:00:03 -0400, Noddy <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 02:37:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe >McAuliffe) wrote: > >>I'm using a Taisol hsf which is fairly big, fan runs at >>5000 rpm which is not too loud :) > >What are the clips like on that HSF? I hate the clips on mine because >they are so stiff and am looking for one that is safer to take on and >off, and also provides superior cooling.

The clip on mine is a 3 prong job, I've loosened it off slightly to make it easier to remove. Works pretty well. http://www.taisol.com/products/pdf/cgk742002.pdf BTW, thats just the type of clip, the hsf is different to that one.

>URL ? :-) Mine seems to be a hybrid. It is this hsf: http://www.taisol.com/products/pdf/CEK734092.pdf but with this 3 prong clip: http://www.taisol.com/products/pdf/cgk742002.pdf which works well for keeping it flat, easier to remove, etc.

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>> Do you have a photo or anything of your homemade cooler? I've always >> thought that it wouldn't be too tough to do better than the usual, >> overpriced ones that are available. > >Well.....I used a HS from EKL (or something, I looked through our >shelves and grabbed the biggest one I could find) rated to 1.2Ghz, >initially I wanted to run it stock as it has a fairly large and quiet >fan, but then, as usual, I wanted to see how far I could push it :-) > >So I used the fans from a pair of GlobalWin HS/Fans I had from when I >was OC'in my dual Celeron machine, and hey presto....:-) > >Ni pics I'm afraid and the web site I usually order this from to our >shop is down right now, I could give you the general URL, but since it's >in Norwegian I don't think you'd find your way around the place :-)

I usually use the translation thing at Altavista.com to translate foreign web sites. Don't know about Norwegian tho ;)

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> >Is it much better than the stock GlobalWin stuff, not really, I just got >it bad back then and wanted MORE !!!, and got it :-), at least in the >way of temps, couldn't push it any further though, I suspect you'd have >to get the temps much lower to find more speed, I have a Peltier kit >lying around here, but I need to make some special clips to fit it under >my HS and I just don't have the energy right now >

I think a lot of the temps have to do with the actual CPU core that you happen to get. If you've got a below-par core by chance, then it may run hotter just because it's not hooked up well internally. The CPU I got was and AVIA Y core, which is well known to be easily overclocked. It just generally runs cooler, and runs at nice high speeds. The AVIA and AXIA batches of CPUs are well known to overclock from 1 ghz (stock) to 1.4ghz and up. Just a good batch. 1.4ghz for the price of 1ghz :) Well, you can send the kit over here if you don't want it :) If you're happy with the speed and temps then I guess it's not really an issue. But over 60deg does seem remarkably high. As long as you are using good thermal paste, the hsf is flat against the CPU die, and you have good airflow, then all should be fine. And obviously the ambient temp will have a big impact as well. If your case temp is high, it may be worthwhile putting a case fan in to get better airflow. Rafe Mc

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> >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >--Groucho Marx--

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:43:39 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> And of course, it depends on ambient temps. Mine runs at between 18 >> and 21 deg. I'm using a Taisol hsf which is fairly big, fan runs at >> 5000 rpm which is not too loud :) > >URL ? :-) http://www.taisol.com/products/cpucoolers.htm Here's a review of one too. Looks like a good HSF. Just need to know where to buy one locally in Toronto. http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=77

On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:01:55 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote: >The clip on mine is a 3 prong job, I've loosened it off slightly to >make it easier to remove. Works pretty well. > >http://www.taisol.com/products/pdf/cgk742002.pdf > >BTW, thats just the type of clip, the hsf is different to that one. Yea, I found a review here http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=77 of one and he menthions that the clips are pretty easy to use. The one I have now (Kodiak Cooler from STEP) is a real bitch and I almost destroyed my mb trying to install it. Thx.

There's nothing wrong with 52deg c. It would be nice to do better, but that's WAY under the max. -Larry "Noddy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >ONLY 52deg? Unless your talking Farenheit, that's a tad warm!! And > >wuld explain the crashes after 1-1 1/2 hrs. > > That's not out of spec for a T-Bird. I've had mine running hotter than > that with no crashes. > > > > >>When i turn this one on on the boot up screen it say 120Mhz(24x5.0)

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> >>someone explain that... as my others where easy ass they said > > Look in your manual for the correct jumper settings maybe? 1.4ghz > should be set to 10.5x133. You mb should detect the cpu and set clock > cycles and bus speed manually, but for some reason maybe it isn't and > you need to change it manually. Check to see that core voltage is set > correctly too. >

Rafe, Quit scaring the guy. There is NOTHING wrong with 52c. Nothing at all... -Larry "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, agreed that 52 deg is still within spec, but it's not without > it's problems running at that temp. Technically they are sposed to run > at around 90, but no one will ever get that actually happening i > believe :) > > If you are running at 50 deg plus, you ARE running hotter than > recommended, but if it's stable then it doesn't really matter too > much. But 60 is getting a bit much IMO, I'm surprised that they'd be > stable at that. What hsf are you using? You may want to invest in a > new one, for the sake of your poor chip! > > BTW, my 1ghz chip runs at 35 deg, and only gets to 43 when running at > 1.4ghz. Most people aim for high 30's, low to mid 40's in general, but > like I said, if it's still stable at high temps, then who cares? > > Rafe Mc > > > On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:51:19 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ed Solheim wrote: > >> > >> Thank a lot chaps.... now I dont have to be nervous for my own T-bird > >> anymore :-) > >> My 1.33ghz run in that ball-park too... and fromwhat I can see - there > >> noting bad going on. > > > >Not to worry, the three AMD's I've got running are all in the high 50's > >to mid 60's, depending on what speed they are running at the > >moment....and yes, they all run on ASUS A7V or A7V133 MoBo's....two of > >them with V5's even > > > > > >Beers and cheers > >(uncle) Goy > > > >http://www.theuspits.com > >http://www.teammirage.com > > > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" > >--Groucho Marx-- >