On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
"fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering what
happened here in February."
Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with the
outcome? What do you guys think?
Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he was
forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black flag
just like he did.
Was Dale Earnhardt Jr's Pepsi 400 win staged?
After Jimmy Spencer hinted that Dale Earnhardt Jr's Pepsi 400 win was no surprise, posters debated whether NASCAR or the other drivers had helped him win at Daytona. Some pointed to his dominance and reports he ran at part throttle; others explained the drafting dynamics and called the conspiracy talk absurd. Tony Stewart's black flag was also debated.
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Automated summary.
I'd have DQ's Stewart for not answering the black flag, it's not like it's
optional. The rule is black and white, it doesn't state, "If you think you
are right...".
"Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), consideringwhat
> happened here in February."
>
> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do withthe
> outcome? What do you guys think?
>
> Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think hewas
> forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black flag
> just like he did.
>
>
No conspiracy, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication, and
heart to win - with the help of a great car.
I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him but seeing
the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line.
Don Burnette
"Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), consideringwhat
> happened here in February."
>
> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do withthe
> outcome? What do you guys think?
>
> Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think hewas
> forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black flag
> just like he did.
>
>
Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins another
race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.
There is no question that Dale Jr. had the dominant car all night long. You
don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules,
without being damned strong.
A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates is
what won the race.
Not some "Conspiracy".
Sheesh...
-Larry
"Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), consideringwhat
> happened here in February."
>
> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do withthe
> outcome? What do you guys think?
>
> Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think hewas
> forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black flag
> just like he did.
>
>
"Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), consideringwhat
> happened here in February."
>
> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do withthe
> outcome? What do you guys think?
Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate
with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just might be
possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 throttle.
That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any particular
driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which I'm
absolutely sure they didn't.
After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR race
as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
even-handedly they apply the rules.
Jerry Morelock
Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup his win...but
I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...you seem
very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why no one
would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about every driver
on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving for their
Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son of their
lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no car is
THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...so like I
said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friends doing
a favor.
JB
Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1n%17.92047$[email hidden]...
> Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins another
> race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.
>
> There is no question that Dale Jr. had the dominant car all night long.You
that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 carwas
flag
> > just like he did.
> >
> >
>
>
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> don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules, > without being damned strong. > > A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates is > what won the race. > > Not some "Conspiracy". > > Sheesh... > > -Larry > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprisedQuoted text (12 lines)
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > what > > happened here in February." > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with > the > > outcome? What do you guys think? > > > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he > was > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the blackI was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field. I
have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull
away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at
least need a few buddies to go with you.
JB
chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:qd027.17861$[email hidden]...
>
> "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprisedthat
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 carwas
be
> possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4throttle.
>
> That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that anyparticular
> driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. WhichI'm
> absolutely sure they didn't.
>
> After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCARrace
> as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
> even-handedly they apply the rules.
>
> Jerry Morelock
>
>
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> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > what > > happened here in February." > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with > the > > outcome? What do you guys think? > > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just mightI too think Tony was forced below the line. I dislike Tony and his tirade
afterwards is exactly WHY I dislike Tony and his spoiled brat attitude. The
problem was he ignored the black flag and whether you agree with it or not,
they stop scoring you.
He is digging himself a hole as he was already on probation when he had to
be restrained from Gary Nelson and then knocking a tape recorder from a
reporters hand and kicking it. If I were the reporter, I would have decked
his sorry @ss. But thats just me ;)
--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc
"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:lg%17.17805$[email hidden]...
> No conspiracy, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication, and
> heart to win - with the help of a great car.
>
> I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him but seeing
> the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line.
>
> Don Burnette
>
> "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
was
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> what
> > happened here in February."
> >
> > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with
> the
> > outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he
> was
> > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black
flag
> > just like he did.
> >
> >
>
>
Actually, it's simple drafting...
It's easy to get pushed out ahead. But if you get _too_ far ahead, the
train WILL mow you down eventually.
It's happened to me quite a few times in N4 where I got too far ahead, and
paid dearly for it before long...
-Larry
"Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:RM027.1428$[email hidden]...
> I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.I
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictorplate
> > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it justmight
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> have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull > away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at > least need a few buddies to go with you. > > JB > > chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qd027.17861$[email hidden]... > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised > that > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car > was > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > > what > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to doQuoted text (20 lines)
> be > > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 > throttle. > > > > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any > particular > > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which > I'm > > absolutely sure they didn't. > > > > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR > race > > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how > > even-handedly they apply the rules. > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > >He wasn't really pulling away in the manner in which you think... He was
getting a lead coming through the turns and onto the straights (just a car
length or two), this would allow the cars behind him a chance to run up
through his draft (in clean air) before needing to move out into dirty air.
If he backed off they wouldn't be able to get the run as stated above and
would have to immediately go into dirty air. That would slow them and allow
other drivers farther back a chance to move into Jr's line making passing
him quite hard.
"Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:RM027.1428$[email hidden]...
> I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.I
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictorplate
> > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it justmight
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> have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull > away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at > least need a few buddies to go with you. > > JB > > chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qd027.17861$[email hidden]... > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised > that > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car > was > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > > what > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to doQuoted text (20 lines)
> be > > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 > throttle. > > > > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any > particular > > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which > I'm > > absolutely sure they didn't. > > > > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR > race > > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how > > even-handedly they apply the rules. > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > >Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that
same thing.
I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man's win
of a lifetime to some sort of conspiracy.
It's pathetic.
-Larry
"Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:0L027.1427$[email hidden]...
> Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup hiswin...but
> I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...youseem
> very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why noone
> would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about everydriver
> on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving fortheir
> Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son of their
> lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no caris
> THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...so likeI
> said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friendsdoing
another
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with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I thinkhe
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> a favor. > > JB > > Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1n%17.92047$[email hidden]... > > Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever winsQuoted text (8 lines)
> > race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him. > > > > There is no question that Dale Jr. had the dominant car all night long. > You > > don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules, > > without being damned strong. > > > > A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team matesQuoted text (20 lines)
> > what won the race. > > > > Not some "Conspiracy". > > > > Sheesh... > > > > -Larry > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised > that > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car > was > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > > what > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to doQuoted text (10 lines)
> > was > > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black > flag > > > just like he did. > > > > > > > > > > > >Agreed :)
-Larry
"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I too think Tony was forced below the line. I dislike Tony and his tirade
> afterwards is exactly WHY I dislike Tony and his spoiled brat attitude.The
> problem was he ignored the black flag and whether you agree with it ornot,
> they stop scoring you.
>
> He is digging himself a hole as he was already on probation when he had to
> be restrained from Gary Nelson and then knocking a tape recorder from a
> reporters hand and kicking it. If I were the reporter, I would havedecked
and
> > heart to win - with the help of a great car.
> >
> > I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him butseeing
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I thinkhe
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> his sorry @ss. But thats just me ;) > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lg%17.17805$[email hidden]... > > No conspiracy, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication,Quoted text (16 lines)
> > the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line. > > > > Don Burnette > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised > that > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car > was > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > > what > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to doQuoted text (10 lines)
> > was > > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black > flag > > > just like he did. > > > > > > > > > > > >He played the draft superbly. He really did...
-Larry
"Eddie Pettit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> He wasn't really pulling away in the manner in which you think... He was
> getting a lead coming through the turns and onto the straights (just a car
> length or two), this would allow the cars behind him a chance to run up
> through his draft (in clean air) before needing to move out into dirtyair.
> If he backed off they wouldn't be able to get the run as stated above and
> would have to immediately go into dirty air. That would slow them andallow
pull
surprised
> > that
> > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8car
> > was
> > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "hewasn't
> > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400),considering
Which
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> other drivers farther back a chance to move into Jr's line making passing > him quite hard. > > "Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RM027.1428$[email hidden]... > > I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't > > allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field. > I > > have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easilyQuoted text (11 lines)
> > away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at > > least need a few buddies to go with you. > > > > JB > > > > chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:qd027.17861$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was notQuoted text (19 lines)
> > > what > > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do > with > > > the > > > > outcome? What do you guys think? > > > > > > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor > plate > > > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just > might > > be > > > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 > > throttle. > > > > > > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any > > particular > > > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race.Quoted text (15 lines)
> > I'm > > > absolutely sure they didn't. > > > > > > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR > > race > > > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how > > > even-handedly they apply the rules. > > > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > > > > > > > >You said your response twice...but I didn't hold you to saying the same
thing. I think DE is a great driver and I don't think he could have won the
race without a great car, no doubt...but I PERSONALLY don't feel that the
other guys were pushing to beat DE as much as they would in any other race.
JB
Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that
> same thing.
>
> I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man'swin
their
> > lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no car
> is
> > THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...solike
long.
surprised
> > that
> > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8car
> > was
> > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "hewasn't
> > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400),considering
think
> he
> > > was
> > > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored theblack
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> of a lifetime to some sort of conspiracy. > > It's pathetic. > > -Larry > > "Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0L027.1427$[email hidden]... > > Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup his > win...but > > I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...you > seem > > very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why no > one > > would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about every > driver > > on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving for > their > > Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son ofQuoted text (14 lines)
> I > > said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friends > doing > > a favor. > > > > JB > > > > Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:1n%17.92047$[email hidden]... > > > Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins > another > > > race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him. > > > > > > There is no question that Dale Jr. had the dominant car all nightQuoted text (17 lines)
> > You > > > don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules, > > > without being damned strong. > > > > > > A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates > is > > > what won the race. > > > > > > Not some "Conspiracy". > > > > > > Sheesh... > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was notQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > what > > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do > with > > > the > > > > outcome? What do you guys think? > > > > > > > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? IQuoted text (10 lines)
> > flag > > > > just like he did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 17:44:27 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
When you have the secrecy of NASCAR's "investigation" and past
"assistance" they've allegedly given other popular drivers (Richard
Petty's 200th win), unfortunately everything in the world of NASCAR
has to be taken with a grain of salt and a bit of doubt about whether
that really happened the way you think it did.
I'm glad he won and I enjoyed it, but I still have that nagging
doubt. :(
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>Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that >same thing. > >I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man's win >of a lifetime to some sort of conspiracy. > >It's pathetic.On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:52:38 GMT, "chainbreaker"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR race
>as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
>even-handedly they apply the rules.
Unless NASCAR was the one doing the fixing... I like Junior, but
something was really odd about last night's race. His car simply
should not have been able to do the things it was doing with a legal
restrictor plate... Note that he could blow by cars any time he
pleased but whenever anyone else tried it on him, they failed every
time. Compare that to the words of Sterling Marlin -- and just about
every other driver -- who have said ever since the new rules package
came into effect -- that you simply cannot pass. That when you get
out on your own, you are dead meat. But Junior could pull away at
will and that's just not right.
On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:59:32 GMT, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent)
wrote:
>I'm glad he won and I enjoyed it, but I still have that nagging
>doubt. :(
If his car hadn't been so totally dominant, I would have enjoyed his
win a lot more, but when he just blew through the field at will the
way he did, it DETRACTED from his win as far as I'm concerned.
Well I'll respond to my own post:
1. Tony Stewart's black flag was bullshit. But it was a Catch-22. He lost
positions by ignoring the black flag, but had he come in, and NASCR decided
that he was forced down, what do you do about that?
2. I was flying from Dallas during the race, so I only saw the last 14 laps.
I don't know how much DEJ dominated the race, but it just seemed fishy that
Tony Eury had written off his chances to win when Bill Weber interviewed
him, and then all of a sudden one of the most dominant cars of the season
(Jeff Gordon) decides to blow up. And that blow up just happened to occur
during the part of the race where a single-file restart was guaranteed.
3. It does not matter whether or not the race was genuine or somehow fixed,
but you simply cannot blame a few people for thinking it was a conspiracy. I
thought it was when I first saw it, especially seeing that his crew chief
had JUST written him off by saying "we probably won't win this one."
4. I think it also came down to F1-type team orders. Why? Because I would
have liked to seen the reaction had Michael Waltrip tried to pull out there
and race DEJ for the win. He would be Public Enemy #1. He'd be selfish and
non-appreciative that his car owner and DEJ helped him to win his only
points-paying NASCAR Winston Cup race, and his car owner died trying. And
I'll be willing to bet you that he probably wouldn't be working for DEI,
either. Ditto for Elliott Sadler had he been successful in getting around
Waltrip amd put some pressure on DEJ.
If ANYONE needs an example of what happens to a driver who bucks the NASCAR
system and tries to do things because they have a passion for racing, I only
offer you two words: Tim Richmond. The guy who OWNED Riverside and took
several Winston Cup wins isn't even muttered by anyone but the most
outspoken drivers. And that, my friend, is a damn shame.
Nevertheless, it was a win. Congrats to DEJ.
That's the way I see it,
Sundown
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:17:57 -0500, "Sundown" <[email hidden]>
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> I would
>have liked to seen the reaction had Michael Waltrip tried to pull out there
>and race DEJ for the win.
Right, like Jeff Gordon did with Kevin Harvick -- Harvick won the race
straight up and that's what made his win not only inspiring, but
great. When someone says they intentionally held back to block and
let another car win, that detracts from the victory.
On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:20:06 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^=
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>When someone says they intentionally held back to block and
>let another car win, that detracts from the victory.
And one more thing -- what the heck was Waltrip doing parked in the
infield next to Junior after the race. Gotta grab that spotlight,
doncha Mikey?
by that I think he means he 'had' to manage his speed so NOT to get too
far ahead. As larry said, drafting is the key. Even if you are the
fastest car, if you totally separate from the pack, you lose the 'push' that
the front cars in draft situations get. And once the pack lines up for a
push tothe front, they will blow by the leader because he won't be
benefiting from the push/pull effect of the draft.
dave henrie
"Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.I
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictorplate
> > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it justmight
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> have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull > away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at > least need a few buddies to go with you. > > JB > > chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qd027.17861$[email hidden]... > > > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised > that > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car > was > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering > > what > > > happened here in February." > > > > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to doQuoted text (20 lines)
> be > > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 > throttle. > > > > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any > particular > > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which > I'm > > absolutely sure they didn't. > > > > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR > race > > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how > > even-handedly they apply the rules. > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > >>"The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote
> And one more thing -- what the heck was Waltrip doing parked in the
> infield next to Junior after the race. Gotta grab that spotlight,
> doncha Mikey?
Stop whining for the sake of whining. Get a hold of yourself, for Christ's
sake!!!!
Oh and there's a better NG for you to talk about NASCAR-related
conspiracies.
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Ur too much Fran�ois!! No BS I am roaring again!! phew!!
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| sake!!!! | Oh and there's a better NG for you to talk about NASCAR-related | conspiracies. | -- | -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | -- May the Downforce be with you... | -- http://www.ymenard.com/ | -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez | Corporation - helping America into the New World... | >"The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote | > And one more thing -- what the heck was Waltrip doing parked in the | > infield next to Junior after the race. Gotta grab that spotlight, | > doncha Mikey?There was no way Michael would have tried to pass Jr for the win, not after
what happened in Feb, when Jr did the same for Michael , and then Dale lose
his life in that crash. Didn't you hear Jr tell Michael " Well, I guess were
even now"? As soon as I saw Michael tuck in behind Jr, I knew that was it
and they would finish 1-2. I was jumping up and down, and tearful on that
last lap.
I'm tickled Michael got to celebrate with Jr as he didn't really get to
celebrate his win of the 500.
Don Burnette
"OK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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that
> >Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 carwas
> >"fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> >surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), consideringwhat
> >happened here in February."
> >
> >Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do withthe
> >outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> >Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think hewas
> >forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the blackflag
> >just like he did.
> >
>
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> What I didn't like is the fact that Waltrip didn't try to win. Isn't > F1 criticized for "team orders"? Well this is just as bad when > professional drivers aren't competing. Race to win. > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:33:40 -0500, "Sundown" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprisedI didn't see Jr able to pull away at will without the help of a draft. If he
hadn't had a couple cars work the outside line with him on that last restart
he would've been hung. However, last night, I am sure there were plenty of
drivers that would have been glad to draft with him.
Don Burnette
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> On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:52:38 GMT, "chainbreaker" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR race > >as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how > >even-handedly they apply the rules. > > Unless NASCAR was the one doing the fixing... I like Junior, but > something was really odd about last night's race. His car simply > should not have been able to do the things it was doing with a legal > restrictor plate... Note that he could blow by cars any time he > pleased but whenever anyone else tried it on him, they failed every > time. Compare that to the words of Sterling Marlin -- and just about > every other driver -- who have said ever since the new rules package > came into effect -- that you simply cannot pass. That when you get > out on your own, you are dead meat. But Junior could pull away at > will and that's just not right.Ohhh pleaaseeee.
Michael's first Winston Cup points win at the Daytona 500 was completely
overshadowed by the tragedy of DE losing his life on the last lap, while his
son Jr helps draft Michael to the win.
Michael deserved to be able to celebrate with Jr, and I am sure Jr wouldn't
have had it any other way.
Don Burnette
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> On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:20:06 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >When someone says they intentionally held back to block and > >let another car win, that detracts from the victory. > > And one more thing -- what the heck was Waltrip doing parked in the > infield next to Junior after the race. Gotta grab that spotlight, > doncha Mikey?IMO, the outcome was stacked in Little E's favour before the race even
started, well as stacked as it is possible for a race to be......
This race was nothing but a publicity stunt for NASCAR racing.
Little E's car had more power than any other car in the field, the
other driver's didn't race him as hard as they could/would have done in
differing circumstances and the whole thing stinks of a publicity
conspiracy.
I'd love to compare Little E's restrictor plate on a flow bench to the
other driver's plates..
Cheers,
Ron
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> No conspiracy, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication,and
> heart to win - with the help of a great car.
>
> I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him butseeing
surprised that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8car was
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "hewasn't
> > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400),considering
> what
> > happened here in February."
> >
> > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to dowith
> the
> > outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? Ithink he
> was
> > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored theblack flag
> > just like he did.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line. > > Don Burnette > > "Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was notOn Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:08:14 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^=
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Compare that to the words of Sterling Marlin -- and just about
>every other driver -- who have said ever since the new rules package
>came into effect -- that you simply cannot pass. That when you get
>out on your own, you are dead meat. But Junior could pull away at
>will and that's just not right.
How do you explain all the drivers that went from the back to the
front? If you simply cannot pass, then the finishing results would be
the same as the starting lineup.
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>I didn't see Jr able to pull away at will without the help of a draft.
You're right. If his car was as good as some claim, he would have
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I'm not sure where to respond on this absurd thread but I might as
well interject here. Did Dale Jr. set some kind of speed record? How
were his speeds as opposed to the last race at Daytona? How were his
speeds as opposed to the rest of the drivers? How was his qualifying
time? If he had a bogus restrictor plate I assume his speeds might be
noticibly beyond those of the other drivers.
If Jimmy Spencer's comments are meant to detract from Dale Jr's
accomplishment just remember that Jimmy gets a little carried away
sometimes (see his remarks/accusations about Mike McLauglin after the
Subway 300). Jimmy apparently has a very competetive nature and and
goes a bit sour grapes when things aren't going his way.
There are so many intervening factors in a race with 43 competitors
that it would be virtually impossible to fix a race, keep it secret
and still achieve the ultimate result you desire. If anything I think
DEI just knows a good setup for Daytona. Elsewise, NASCAR also gave
Michael Waltrip a bogus plate as well as Eliott Sadler. And I guess
they gave Jeff Gordon one with real little holes this time!
BD
On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:52:38 GMT, "chainbreaker"
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> >"Sundown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that >> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was >> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't >> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering >what >> happened here in February." >> >> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with >the >> outcome? What do you guys think? > >Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate >with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just might be >possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 throttle. > >That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any particular >driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which I'm >absolutely sure they didn't. > >After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR race >as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how >even-handedly they apply the rules. > >Jerry Morelock >Not pathetic, Its the dam truth wake up!!, Sure all drivers cheat, I seen
the ways drivers cheat and cover up their work very well. I like most people
are realists. The fact is the 8 car had more of an advantage, As a realists,
I see 42 cars which are Equal and I see one that is not equal. To me that
raises a red flag right there.
And "O" 'Great Greskin' what makes you the "know all" of this??
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| Not pathetic, Its the dam truth wake up!!, Sure all drivers cheat, I seen
| the ways drivers cheat and cover up their work very well. I like mostpeople
| are realists. The fact is the 8 car had more of an advantage, As arealists,
| I see 42 cars which are Equal and I see one that is not equal. To me that
| raises a red flag right there.
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not for me as a fan but i have to feel waltrip had some sort of closure sat
night
it was great to see
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> I'm tickled Michael got to celebrate with Jr as he didn't really get to
> celebrate his win of the 500.
>
> Don Burnette
>
I look at it this way - This ain't the damned WWF!
Bob
"Bob Davidson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 carwas
> >> "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> >> surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> >what
> >> happened here in February."
> >>
> >> Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to dowith
> >the
> >> outcome? What do you guys think?
> >
> >Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate
> >with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just mightbe
> >possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4throttle.
> >
> >That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that anyparticular
> >driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. WhichI'm
> >absolutely sure they didn't.
> >
> >After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCARrace
