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I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed in the far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declared GPL the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras. Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to 10.03. Which isn't low enough. Stupidly, I insisted on beating the handicap game before racing online, which I hear is incredibly fun. The handicap battle, of course, can never be won--at least not by someone with my meager talent--which meant that I was doomed to daily exercises in frustration as I attempted to post new PBs with the same frequency as I did early on. (The goal was to be negative, not to beat Huttu.) I ceased to enjoy racing because I got angry if I wasn't lapping near my PB. What I needed was a version of GPL that didn't show or even record lap times, just time differences between drivers. Then, instead of cursing at the Glen because my 1:06.02 during qualifying isn't close to my PB of 1:05.79, I would see that I've captured pole by being 0.2 seconds faster than Clark. I could have posted a 1:10 and Clark a 1:10.20, but I wouldn't know it. It is about winning races, isn't it? There has to be more to it than trying to go around the track, all by myself, a tiny bit faster than I did yesterday. When I can get over my fixation on PBs and handicap, I'll come back. But for now, I'll just thank everyone here for all the help and the friendly emails, and say goodbye. --Jeff +10.03 (final)

Jeff, Sorry to hear that your frustration has overcome the desire to enjoy the challenge. I have been running GPL almost since it was released and my handicap hasn't matched yours. I hope you can come to terms with the desire to be the best and the fastest and come back to the fold. There is much to be gained by facing the challenge and enjoying the journey. I learned too many decades ago that not everyone can be best. I accept and enjoy whatever insignificant achievements I can accomplish. If, on the other hand you don't want to continue the fight, I might be willing to take some of your equipment off your hands. Jeff H Jeffrey Rowe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ib3gr$c1r$[email hidden]... > I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed in the > far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declared GPL > the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras. > > Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to10.03. -snipped- > --Jeff > +10.03 (final) > >

You give up after 3 months??????? Heck - it took me 3 *years* to get tired of GPL!! Screw that handicap thing - offline racing died 3 years ago; go race online! ed_ Jeffrey Rowe wrote: > > Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to10.03.

Shit, just HAVE FUN!! That's what this stuff is all about, FUN, it's not serious, it's not cancer or heart disease, it's FUN. If it's not fun for him then maybe he should quit, sounds like it's WAY too serious for this guy. JS "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FC827.4110$[email hidden]...

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> You give up after 3 months??????? > > Heck - it took me 3 *years* to get tired of GPL!! > > Screw that handicap thing - offline racing died 3 years ago; go race > online! > > ed_ > > Jeffrey Rowe wrote: > > > > Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to > 10.03. > > >

Don't worry about how fast you are Jeffrey, but simply enjoy GPL for what it is. A lot of us havn't even bothered putting in a GPL Rank, as that is not what GPL is about to some of us... We just have fun and race with like minded drivers in a clean and friendly environment.. Winning isn't everything, in fact to me, winning is nothing, staying on the track and having fun is what i enjoy and strive for. You'll be back :)) Take care. Cheers, Ron Jeffrey Rowe <[email hidden]> wrote in article <9ib3gr$c1r$[email hidden]>... > I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed inthe > far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declaredGPL > the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras. > > Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to10.03. > Which isn't low enough. Stupidly, I insisted on beating the handicapgame > before racing online, which I hear is incredibly fun. The handicapbattle, > of course, can never be won--at least not by someone with my meager > talent--which meant that I was doomed to daily exercises infrustration as I > attempted to post new PBs with the same frequency as I did early on.(The > goal was to be negative, not to beat Huttu.) I ceased to enjoy racing > because I got angry if I wasn't lapping near my PB. What I needed wasa > version of GPL that didn't show or even record lap times, just time > differences between drivers. Then, instead of cursing at the Glenbecause my > 1:06.02 during qualifying isn't close to my PB of 1:05.79, I wouldsee that > I've captured pole by being 0.2 seconds faster than Clark. I couldhave > posted a 1:10 and Clark a 1:10.20, but I wouldn't know it. > > It is about winning races, isn't it? There has to be more to it thantrying > to go around the track, all by myself, a tiny bit faster than I did > yesterday. When I can get over my fixation on PBs and handicap, I'llcome > back. But for now, I'll just thank everyone here for all the help andthe

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> friendly emails, and say goodbye. > > --Jeff > +10.03 (final) > > >

I agree. Sounds like boxing up his computer was the best thing he could do. When a game stops being fun, time to stop playing. Todd Walker GPLRank: +81.28 twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:52:56 -0400, "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Shit, just HAVE FUN!! That's what this stuff is all about, FUN, it's not >serious, it's not cancer or heart disease, it's FUN. If it's not fun for him >then maybe he should quit, sounds like it's WAY too serious for this guy. > >JS

Why don't you just play something else? I haven't played GPL for more than a 10 minute session in over a year. If you need a total break from driving games play Deus Ex, if you just need a break from GPL, try NFS:Porsche Unleashed or Viper. Tim On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:05:05 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed in the >far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declared GPL >the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras.[snip]

Good suggestions from everyone for you .. why not try microsoft's new Train Simulator.. while it's not quite as fast, at least the steering input required is less ,and the 'game' doesnt speed up the passenger schedule on you either ! Toot Toot! jv "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Why don't you just play something else? > I haven't played GPL for more than a 10 minute session in over a year. > If you need a total break from driving games play Deus Ex, if you just > need a break from GPL, try NFS:Porsche Unleashed or Viper. > > Tim > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:05:05 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed in the > >far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declared GPL > >the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras. > [snip]

In article <9ib3gr$c1r$[email hidden]>, "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> writes: >Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to 10.03. >Which isn't low enough. Stupidly, I insisted on beating the handicap game >before racing online, which I hear is incredibly fun. The handicap battle, >of course, can never be won--at least not by someone with my meager >talent--which meant that I was doomed to daily exercises in frustration as I >attempted to post new PBs with the same frequency as I did early on. PLEASE tell me that's a typo - you meant to type 14 April 2000... If you've gotten to +10.03 after only having the game for not even 3 months, you're better than the average bear... I don't even know what else to say behind your comment... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up already if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days (history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. So there you go:) dc

Before you box that sucker up, get yourself over to VROC :) Seriously, I've never been one for hotlapping, far too frustrating. Simply from driving online races and the occasional AI race early on I am currently at a GPL rank of - 44. If you're at a handicap of 10 after 3 months you certainly don't lack the talent. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Jeffrey Rowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ib3gr$c1r$[email hidden]... > I have turned off my gaming computer, unplugged, boxed, and stowed in the > far corner of my closet all three sets of wheels and pedals, declared GPL > the bane of my existence, and now I shall say goodbye to ras. > > Since 14 April 2001, when I installed GPL, my handicap has fallen to 10.03. > Which isn't low enough. Stupidly, I insisted on beating the handicap game > before racing online, which I hear is incredibly fun. The handicap battle, > of course, can never be won--at least not by someone with my meager > talent--which meant that I was doomed to daily exercises in frustration as I > attempted to post new PBs with the same frequency as I did early on. (The > goal was to be negative, not to beat Huttu.) I ceased to enjoy racing > because I got angry if I wasn't lapping near my PB. What I needed was a > version of GPL that didn't show or even record lap times, just time > differences between drivers. Then, instead of cursing at the Glen because my > 1:06.02 during qualifying isn't close to my PB of 1:05.79, I would see that > I've captured pole by being 0.2 seconds faster than Clark. I could have > posted a 1:10 and Clark a 1:10.20, but I wouldn't know it. > > It is about winning races, isn't it? There has to be more to it than trying > to go around the track, all by myself, a tiny bit faster than I did > yesterday. When I can get over my fixation on PBs and handicap, I'll come > back. But for now, I'll just thank everyone here for all the help and the > friendly emails, and say goodbye. > > --Jeff > +10.03 (final) > >

Just curious Doug, what kind of joystick and what kind of wheel? What do you think it is about the joystick that makes it easier for you to drive? How do you have the controls mapped? Do you use an axis or a button for gas/brake? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Nikon Coolpix 950 http://twalker.d2g.com/galleries.htm DIGITAL CAMERA REVIEW SITES: http://www.dpreview.com http://www.steves-digicams.com http://www.digitalkamera.de -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:51:03 -0400, "dc" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up already >if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and >couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I >switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days >(history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went >negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. > >So there you go:) > >dc >

In article <9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]>, "dc" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up already >if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and >couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I >switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days >(history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went >negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. I hate you, too...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:51:03 -0400, "dc" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up already >if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and >couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I >switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days >(history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went >negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. > >So there you go:)

Witchcraft! Burn him I say! ;-) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 Jul 2001: > Why don't you just play something else? > I haven't played GPL for more than a 10 minute session in over a > year.<snip> The old trouble, is it, sir? T1 Monza playing up again? -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

dc <[email hidden]> wrote on 09 Jul 2001: <snip> >my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days<snip> <sob> -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

<snip> <snip> <sob> -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I have one word to say to you sir.... BITE ME!!!! you started at a level beyond what I;ve acheived in several years....:) dave henrie "dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... > Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given upalready > if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheeland

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> couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I > switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days > (history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went > negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. > > So there you go:) > > dc > >

[email hidden] (Todd Walker) wrote in <3b4e04e5.6917069@news- server.jam.rr.com>: >Just curious Doug, what kind of joystick and what kind of wheel? What >do you think it is about the joystick that makes it easier for you to >drive? Isn't steering help on by default with a joystick? -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -14.06 MonsterRank 104.55 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

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> > Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up already > if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and > couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I > switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days > (history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went > negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. > > So there you go:) > > dc

Geeezzz...... -- Fester

I tired GPL with both a CH Products wheel with the good CH Products pedals, and also the Logitech GP wheel. The joystick is just a generic one I got off of eBay for $5. I use the regular X-Y axis for controls (Y being gas and brake of course, X being steering), and I have upsift and downshift mapped to fire buttons 1 and 2. I think one of the reasons a joystick is so much easier is because there is less "travel distance" in the controls. What I mean is that in GPL you often to have make some pretty big corrections in steering, and also have to throw the car around a lot. With a joystick you can go from steering 100%left to 100%right by moving the stick about two inches, on a wheel that'd take probably 8 inches and and maybe a second longer. It just gives you a lot better control of the car I think. Acceleration is the same way, you can really manipulate the gas in the corners by just a slight movement of the stick (and I find it difficult to control anything with my feet anyway:). Also in general I find it a lot easier to not have to coordinate my hands with my feet, unless you're a professional race car driver I would think most people would have problems with a wheel/pedals for that reason, I know I do. I think a wheel is good for driving where you have to be "smooth" (like ovals), but for GPL I think being able to really throw the car around and make quick corrections in more important :) Make sense? ;) In all fairness I did play N2 for a couple of years with a joystick, I switched to a wheel for N3/4, but never enjoyed it as much as N2, so I went back to a joystick fo GPL. GPL is absolutely wonderful by the way:) I can't believe I missed out on the first 3 years of it... I was waiting for N4 to come out before upgrading my computer, what a mistake that was... dc

> Isn't steering help on by default with a joystick? No, GPL can't tell a joystick from a wheel, they both just use an X and Y axis... I think if you try to use a keyboard it forces dirving aids on, but even I'm not that crazy to try that :) dc

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>dc wrote: >> >> Well, I installed GPL on April 13 of this year and would've given up >already >> if it wasn't for one thing: a joystick. I tried for weeks with a wheel and >> couldn't get within 5 seconds of the Papy benchmark at any track. I >> switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days >> (history file is under the name dougcio if you'd like to see it). I went >> negative about 10 weeks after I first installed the game. >> >> So there you go:) >> >> dc > > >Geeezzz......

Don't some of these guys just piss you off...?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>I tired GPL with both a CH Products wheel with the good CH Products pedals, >and also the Logitech GP wheel. The joystick is just a generic one I got >off of eBay for $5. I use the regular X-Y axis for controls (Y being gas >and brake of course, X being steering), and I have upsift and downshift >mapped to fire buttons 1 and 2. > >I think one of the reasons a joystick is so much easier is because there is >less "travel distance" in the controls. What I mean is that in GPL you >often to have make some pretty big corrections in steering, and also have to >throw the car around a lot. With a joystick you can go from steering >100%left to 100%right by moving the stick about two inches, on a wheel >that'd take probably 8 inches and and maybe a second longer. It just gives >you a lot better control of the car I think. Acceleration is the same way, >you can really manipulate the gas in the corners by just a slight movement >of the stick (and I find it difficult to control anything with my feet >anyway:). Also in general I find it a lot easier to not have to coordinate >my hands with my feet, unless you're a professional race car driver I would >think most people would have problems with a wheel/pedals for that reason, I >know I do. I think a wheel is good for driving where you have to be >"smooth" (like ovals), but for GPL I think being able to really throw the >car around and make quick corrections in more important :)

I could never get the hang of trying to steer with one axis and accel/brake with the other. I was constantly steering when I didn't want to, and the same with speed control when I was trying to steer... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... > I > switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days It's never seemed too realistic that a joystick is so much better for this game than a wheel. David G Fisher

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>"dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... >> I >> switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four days > >It's never seemed too realistic that a joystick is so much better for this >game than a wheel.

Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) response with a joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so I can play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can't change the sensitivity in the game... :-( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, My FF joystick is fantastic in SBK2001.. Imho, you definately need a stick over a wheel for the quick turns at high speeds! Turn all aids off now! :-) "EldredP"wrote: | Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) responsewith a | joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so Ican | play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can'tchange | the sensitivity in the game... :-( | | Eldred | -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Have you tried some of the hotshoe setups. I'm pretty crap at setting up a car and found that hotshoe setups were so much quicker when I was beginning to struggle to find any more speed with my joystick. Somewhere in the region of a second a lap quicker and more, depending upon the track. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06

A quicker response shouldn't automatically equate to being faster. You can easily be too quick with your inputs sometimes and cause an unecessary spin. Might be a good idea to take a poll on this newsgroup and see how people have fared with joysticks in other sims. I would hope it wouldn't be the case for all sims. Imagine if I told you I was much faster in GP3 using a mouse instead of a wheel. What would that say about the sim? A joystick for a motorcycle sim makes more sense because you steer a bike mostly by shifting your weight and leaning. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <A%I27.12956$[email hidden]>, "David GFisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... > >> I > >> switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in fourdays > > > >It's never seemed too realistic that a joystick is so much better forthis > >game than a wheel. > > Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) responsewith a > joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so Ican > play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can'tchange

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> the sensitivity in the game... :-( > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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Eldred, If you find a good control setup for SBK2001, please let me know. I love the game but I haven't found the perfect controller for it yet. I have tried my Logitech wheel, my Sidewinder FF joystick, my Sidewinder gamepad, and my old Interact handheld wheel/gas trigger stick and none seems perfect. Todd Walker GPLRank: +81.28 twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl On 10 Jul 2001 22:28:00 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) response with a >joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so I can >play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can't change >the sensitivity in the game... :-(

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:45:21 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >A quicker response shouldn't automatically equate to being faster. You can >easily be too quick with your inputs sometimes and cause an unecessary spin. I'd say a bit of non-linearity will avoid these things, as I found out yesterday when I implemented it and could suddenly drive quite a bit better with the mouse. :) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

Hi Ruud, so, you saw my post at High Gear ;). -Gregor Ruud van Gaal wrote:

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> > I'd say a bit of non-linearity will avoid these things, as I found out > yesterday when I implemented it and could suddenly drive quite a bit > better with the mouse. :) > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ > Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

In article <ThM27.13273$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, My FF joystick is fantastic in SBK2001.. Imho, you definately need a >stick over a wheel for the quick turns at high speeds! Turn all aids off >now! :-) Turn the aids OFF? Please - I can barely get around the track as it IS... I don't remember what helps I have on, though... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred, > >If you find a good control setup for SBK2001, please let me know. I >love the game but I haven't found the perfect controller for it yet. I >have tried my Logitech wheel, my Sidewinder FF joystick, my Sidewinder >gamepad, and my old Interact handheld wheel/gas trigger stick and none >seems perfect.

I bought the motorwheel from http://www.ergenic.com/. It's cheap, it's plastic, but it works far better than a joystick or wheel imho. Andre

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>Todd Walker >GPLRank: +81.28 >twalker at jam dot rr dot com >http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl > > > >On 10 Jul 2001 22:28:00 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) response with a >>joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so I can >>play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can't change >>the sensitivity in the game... :-(

I found the mouse worked fantastic for GP3.. It was the best method for going to add/remove programs and getting it off my hard drive. <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450 David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BRQ27.13840$[email hidden]... > A quicker response shouldn't automatically equate to being faster. You can > easily be too quick with your inputs sometimes and cause an unecessary spin. > Might be a good idea to take a poll on this newsgroup and see how people > have fared with joysticks in other sims. I would hope it wouldn't be the > case for all sims. Imagine if I told you I was much faster in GP3 using a > mouse instead of a wheel. What would that say about the sim? > > A joystick for a motorcycle sim makes more sense because you steer a bike > mostly by shifting your weight and leaning. > > David G Fisher > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <A%I27.12956$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >"dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... > > >> I > > >> switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four > days > > > > > >It's never seemed too realistic that a joystick is so much better for > this > > >game than a wheel. > > > > Wouldn't you get a quicker(and thus easier to control/go fast) response > with a > > joystic no matter WHAT game you ran? I'm about to install a joystick so I > can > > play Superbike 2001. It's just too 'laggy' using a wheel, and I can't > change > > the sensitivity in the game... :-( > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Barging in Todd, My TM aka Guillemot FFB Joystick works great with SBK2000 & SBK2001.. fwiw... "Todd Walker" wrote:

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| Eldred, | | If you find a good control setup for SBK2001, please let me know. I | love the game but I haven't found the perfect controller for it yet. I | have tried my Logitech wheel, my Sidewinder FF joystick, my Sidewinder | gamepad, and my old Interact handheld wheel/gas trigger stick and none | seems perfect. | | Todd Walker | GPLRank: +81.28 | twalker at jam dot rr dot com | http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl

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LOL@Eldred!! Yea turn all those suckers off and we'll do a few laps at Hock!!! :-) "EldredP" wrote: | | Turn the aids OFF? Please - I can barely get around the track as it IS... | I don't remember what helps I have on, though... | | Eldred "Thom j." writes: | >Eldred, My FF joystick is fantastic in SBK2001.. Imho, you definatelyneed a | >stick over a wheel for the quick turns at high speeds! Turn all aids off | >now! :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Look nice Andre but how much, does it have FF and where do you get these things? just curious... Thom_j. "Andre Warringa" wrote: | I bought the motorwheel from http://www.ergenic.com/. | It's cheap, it's plastic, but it works far better than a joystick or | wheel imho. | | Andre --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

Keyboard is fantastic for F1RC as the AIs are so screwed up they dont know what in the *H* your doing!! <BFG> "Scott B. Husted" wrote: | I found the mouse worked fantastic for GP3.. It was the best method for | going to add/remove programs and getting it off my hard drive. <VBG> | -- | Scott B. Husted | PA-Scott | ICQ#4395450 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: >I bought the motorwheel from http://www.ergenic.com/. >It's cheap, it's plastic, but it works far better than a joystick or >wheel imho. > How much was that? The English part of the website isn't very descriptive... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Todd Walker) writes:

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>Eldred, > >If you find a good control setup for SBK2001, please let me know. I >love the game but I haven't found the perfect controller for it yet. I >have tried my Logitech wheel, my Sidewinder FF joystick, my Sidewinder >gamepad, and my old Interact handheld wheel/gas trigger stick and none >seems perfect.

What problems did you have with the Sidewinder joystick? I'd think that would work fairly well... I don't remember which joystick I have (I bought it to run a league race on a laptop while out of town), but I know it's not FF. Maybe that's the difference? I'll let you know what I discover. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <BRQ27.13840$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >A quicker response shouldn't automatically equate to being faster. You can >easily be too quick with your inputs sometimes and cause an unecessary spin. But it's easier to train yourself to be easier on the controls than to be in trouble because you CAN'T react fast enough. IMO... >Might be a good idea to take a poll on this newsgroup and see how people >have fared with joysticks in other sims. I would hope it wouldn't be the >case for all sims. Imagine if I told you I was much faster in GP3 using a >mouse instead of a wheel. What would that say about the sim? If you told me that, I simply wouldn't believe you<g> > >A joystick for a motorcycle sim makes more sense because you steer a bike >mostly by shifting your weight and leaning. I need to install my USB joystick. I wonder if I can use it at the same time as my TSW pedals...? (project for the weekend, I guess) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I moved from a T2 (non-FF wheel with combined axis) to a TM-FF (FF with split axis) and I may have lost up to 2 seconds per lap. I'm sticking with the TM-FF though :) Reasons for the loss of time: 1. Without FF, you can pretty much react instanteously to the car. Similar to a joystick. 2. I only race GPL once a week, so I might be a bit rusty. I certainly think more about not upsetting the car so actions from #1 aren't required. Jason. David G Fisher wrote:

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> > A quicker response shouldn't automatically equate to being faster. You can > easily be too quick with your inputs sometimes and cause an unecessary spin. > Might be a good idea to take a poll on this newsgroup and see how people > have fared with joysticks in other sims. I would hope it wouldn't be the > case for all sims. Imagine if I told you I was much faster in GP3 using a > mouse instead of a wheel. What would that say about the sim? > > David G Fisher > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <A%I27.12956$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >"dc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:9icn3c$dhv$[email hidden]... > > >> I > > >> switched to a joystick and my handicap dropped from +80 to -1 in four > days > > > > > >It's never seemed too realistic that a joystick is so much better for > this > > >game than a wheel. > >

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Watch now Saint Eldred will go negative after his joystick project!! shheessh "EldredP" wrote: | I need to install my USB joystick. I wonder if I can use it at the sametime | as my TSW pedals...? | (project for the weekend, I guess) | Eldred

The main problem that I had is that there is too much travel in the stick. If you go from turning full left to full right, the top of the stick travels about 5 inches or so. I was unable to make turns quick enough in SBK, even when grasping the stick by the base to reduce the amount of travel as much as possible. Todd Walker GPLRank: +81.28 twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl On 11 Jul 2001 20:52:42 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >What problems did you have with the Sidewinder joystick? I'd think that would >work fairly well... I don't remember which joystick I have (I bought it to run >a league race on a laptop while out of town), but I know it's not FF. Maybe >that's the difference? I'll let you know what I discover.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Todd Walker) writes: >The main problem that I had is that there is too much travel in the >stick. If you go from turning full left to full right, the top of the >stick travels about 5 inches or so. I was unable to make turns quick >enough in SBK, even when grasping the stick by the base to reduce the >amount of travel as much as possible. That sucks. It sounds like you never found a calibrate routine to make the required travel less. I though I'd just missed it, but maybe one doesn't exist. If it's using the Windows calibration, maybe you could create a seperate controller ID. Have that one calibrated for less travel to produce lock-to-lock steering... Hmmm... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.