GRAN TOURISMO 3 is a must have racer !!!!!!!!

Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racing game graphics that I have ever seen, on a PC, console, or even in the arcades. The only game on the PC that even comes close is Mobil 1 Rally running in hi rez with full scene antialiasing , and even that game lacks some of the graphical nuances of GT3, and this is a game running on a low rez TV screen, and it is still better in overall graphics presentation. The replays look about as good as the prerendered opening scenes in GT1 and GT2. If they could diminish the small amount of residual jaggies and shimmering, this game would be photorealistic. The car models are beautiful and virtually perfect in every detail, even up close they look like the real thing, the best models I have ever seen in a game. Reflections off of the cars look absolutely real, not faked or tricked up as in most other racing games. Things that I did not even realize were missing in other racing games become apparent in this game. For example, most games use very simple shadows, but this game has hard shadows, soft shadows, diffuse edges on shadows,darker shadows within shadows, reflections off of the car body illuminating parts of shadows. It sounds like a trivial graphical touch , but it is something that makes the visuals just a bit closer to reality. The shadowing and shading within tree branches and on other objects make them look 3D instead of like 2d background objects, adding all the more to the suspension of disbelief. Texture maps must be larger than in most racing games, because scenery objects and ground textures don't look like they have been tiled with repititious textures, as in many racing games. Reflections off of water on asphalt have the proper graininess of the asphalts bumpy texture, totally believable. There are so many graphical enhancements that it would be hard to describe them all. Suffice it to say that there is no other racing game that could fool the average person into thinking that they were watching a real race for as long as this game can. But lest you think that the beauty of this game was only skin deep eye candy, let me tell you that this game has a more than decent physics model. I have yet to receive my Force Feedback steering wheel, so I can only asess the physics using the Dual shock 2 controller analog joystick. Admittedly, driving with the joystick is a bit difficult when it comes to making precise inputs, but you start to adjust to it after running off the road a few times and weaving all over the place. After that adjustment period you begin to realize that the cars each feel distinctly different , and reasonably believable in their motion and behavior. I would estimate that the physics is a notch below GPL or Nascar heat, and a notch above SCGT. It definately is in the SIM camp, although there is an arcade mode in the game I have yet to try. The only substantial shortcomings I have found in the game so far, are the lack of dashboards on the interior car view( you just have a mirror and gauges), and an A.I. for the opponents cars that is only adequate (they seem to follow the same ideal racing line and dont make realistic mistakes), athough somewhat better than in past versions of the game. This is a Landmark Hall of Fame level videogame, regardless of platform or genre.It is a game worth spending the price of a good videocard on in order to get a PS2. This game and Madden 2001, make a PS2 worth the $300 I spent, you simply cannot get games like these two anywhere else at this point. This game makes me wonder what the XBOX could do with this level of programming and its superior graphical antialiasing and HDTV compatibility. Or what about a 2+ GHZ Pentium 4 and Geforce 4 if WSC takes full advantage of that graphics cards special abilities with shading and lighting effects. Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of racing game graphics will be like.It is something special.

It's not gpl. Anyway, personally I couldn't give a monkeys if it looks like F1GP, as long as it feels nice to drive, is a challenge to drive and it has good mulitplayer then I'm 'very appy'. GT3 not on my shopping list then :P Olly Greenfield wrote in message ... >Just got GT3, <snip, chop, saw & hammer> > >

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>It's not gpl. > >Anyway, personally I couldn't give a monkeys if it looks like F1GP, as long >as it feels nice to drive, is a challenge to drive and it has good >mulitplayer then I'm 'very appy'. > >GT3 not on my shopping list then :P

Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. The physics are not spot on, but still very good indeed. Undoubtedly the biggest flaw of the game is the missing damage modeling (due to licensing terms). Apart from that the game is pretty much par with e.g. Viper Racing. I think most of the people out there critizing GT have only tried it with the dual shock controller. With eg. negCon it's definitely a very enjoyable racing game second only to GPL and Rally Championship. GT3 and PS2 are still very much on my shopping list. -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: <snip> > It definately is in the SIM camp, <snip> > The only substantial shortcomings I have found in the game so far, > are the lack of dashboards on the interior car > view <snip> > This is a Landmark Hall of Fame level videogame, regardless of > platform or genre. <snip> > Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of racing > game graphics will be like.It is something special. Is it just me or isn't there a major contradiction here ? -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

[email hidden] (Jari Ketola) wrote in news:9imr28$dbi$1 @ousrvr3.oulu.fi: > > Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. but inferior second place to Sega's superb F355 for console racers. Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email.

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > It sounds like a trivial graphical touch , > but it is something that makes the visuals just a bit closer to reality. The > shadowing and shading within tree branches and on other objects make them > look 3D instead of like 2d background objects, adding all the more to the > suspension of disbelief. there are two things that really bug me in GT3: 1) why (no, really, WHY?) no hood-cam? 2) seing as there are monkeys in the trees on certain tracks; why aren't anybody actually driving the cars? (cockpit is empty) no three things; I _really_ hate slow-car boost. still a damn good game, though. btw; anyone tried the SVGA adapter for the PS2? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

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> "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > > <snip> > > > It definately is in the SIM camp, > > <snip> > > > The only substantial shortcomings I have found in the game so far, > > are the lack of dashboards on the interior car > > view > > <snip> > > > This is a Landmark Hall of Fame level videogame, regardless of > > platform or genre. > > <snip> > > > Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of racing > > game graphics will be like.It is something special. > > Is it just me or isn't there a major contradiction here ?

the first two snips are just you. although a lack of in-car and hood views are die-hard annoying, they're not prerequisites for a sim-badge. Gunnar, agreeing that GT3 belongs in some hall of fame, but it ain't no landmark. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

[email hidden] (Jari Ketola) writes: > Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. The physics are not > spot on, but still very good indeed. Undoubtedly the biggest flaw of > the game is the missing damage modeling (due to licensing terms). GT3 does have a damage model, actually. just not visible. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

congratulations on being the first to post, "its not gpl", very original. On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:20:02 +0100, "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's not gpl. > >Anyway, personally I couldn't give a monkeys if it looks like F1GP, as long >as it feels nice to drive, is a challenge to drive and it has good >mulitplayer then I'm 'very appy'. > >GT3 not on my shopping list then :P > >Olly Greenfield wrote in message ... >>Just got GT3, <snip, chop, saw & hammer> >> >> >

I don't know if I would call it a must have if you don't already have a PS2, But since I was up most of night racing to earn points to buy parts for my Toyota I must say the game is very addicting indeed :) It is quite amazing graphically what they have managed to do at TV resolution. It is indeed almost photorealistic at times. My wife came home from work and asked me what race was on TV ! I had to explain to her it was a replay of my last race. Of coarse then she was pissed because I bought the game , LOL Anyhow if you have a PS2 get this game, It is most excellent :) PS: It does have the hooks in the software for the upcoming Sony I-net connection device for multiplayer whatever that turns out to be. Dave "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZgB37.262$[email hidden]... > Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racinggame > graphics that I have ever seen, on a PC, console, or even in the arcades. > The only game on the PC that even comes close is Mobil 1 Rally running inhi > rez with full scene antialiasing , and even that game lacks some of the > graphical nuances of GT3, and this is a game running on a low rez TVscreen, > and it is still better in overall graphics presentation. > The replays look about as good as the prerendered opening scenes in GT1and > GT2. If they could diminish the small amount of residual jaggies and > shimmering, this game would be photorealistic. The car models arebeautiful > and virtually perfect in every detail, even up close they look like thereal > thing, the best models I have ever seen in a game. Reflections off of the > cars look absolutely real, not faked or tricked up as in most other racing > games. Things that I did not even realize were missing in other racinggames > become apparent in this game. For example, most games use very simple > shadows, but this game has hard shadows, soft shadows, diffuse edges on > shadows,darker shadows within shadows, reflections off of the car body > illuminating parts of shadows. It sounds like a trivial graphical touch , > but it is something that makes the visuals just a bit closer to reality.The > shadowing and shading within tree branches and on other objects make them > look 3D instead of like 2d background objects, adding all the more to the > suspension of disbelief. Texture maps must be larger than in most racing > games, because scenery objects and ground textures don't look like theyhave

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> been tiled with repititious textures, as in many racing games. Reflections > off of water on asphalt have the proper graininess of the asphalts bumpy > texture, totally believable. > There are so many graphical enhancements that it would be hard to describe > them all. Suffice it to say that > there is no other racing game that could fool the average person into > thinking that they were watching a real race for as long as this game can. > But lest you think that the beauty of this game was only skin deep eye > candy, let me tell you that this game has a more than decent physics

model. > I have yet to receive my Force Feedback steering wheel, so I can onlyasess

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> the physics using the Dual shock 2 controller analog joystick. > Admittedly, driving with the joystick is a bit difficult when it comes to > making precise inputs, but you start to adjust to it after running off the > road a few times and weaving all over the place. After that adjustment > period you begin to realize that the cars each feel distinctly different , > and reasonably believable in their motion and behavior. I would estimate > that the physics is a notch below GPL or Nascar heat, and a notch above > SCGT. It definately is in the SIM camp, although there is an arcade mode

in > the game I have yet to try. The only substantial shortcomings I havefound > in the game so far, are the lack of dashboards on the interior car view(you > just have a mirror and gauges), and an A.I. for the opponents cars that is > only adequate (they seem to follow the same ideal racing line and dontmake > realistic mistakes), athough somewhat better than in past versions of the > game. This is a Landmark Hall of Fame level videogame, regardless of > platform or genre.It is a game worth spending the price of a goodvideocard

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> on in order to get a PS2. This game and Madden 2001, make a PS2 worth the > $300 I spent, you simply cannot get games like these two anywhere else at > this point. This game makes me wonder what the XBOX could do with this > level of programming and its superior graphical antialiasing and HDTV > compatibility. Or what about a 2+ GHZ Pentium 4 and Geforce 4 if WSC takes > full advantage of that graphics cards special abilities with shading and > lighting effects. > Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of racing > game graphics will be like.It is something special. > >

eejit wrote: > > congratulations on being the first to post, "its not gpl", very > original. And as always, very relevant. Gerry

> > And as always, very relevant. >You must show me where I can buy GPL on a console. Any console. Relevant, my arse. Just more snobbery.

In article <[email hidden]>, Zonky wrote: >> Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. > >but inferior second place to Sega's superb F355 for console racers. Haven't tried that one, so can't really comment on it. Sega GT and MSR were definitely horrible. -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu

In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo wrote: >> Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. The physics are not >> spot on, but still very good indeed. Undoubtedly the biggest flaw of >> the game is the missing damage modeling (due to licensing terms). > >GT3 does have a damage model, actually. just not visible. Great! Yet another valid reason for spending $500 on the system :) -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu

>"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racinggame > graphics that I have ever seen That is, if you like low-resolution jaggies in profusion. > Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of racing > game graphics will be like.It is something special. Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, ultra shiny applications on the textures, no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote > You must show me where I can buy GPL on a console. Any console. How does it irrevelate the comment "it's no GPL" then? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

During our annual pligrimage to Le Mans this year, I tested GT3 in a PS2 "booth".. And I cant say I was that impressed... Okey, I didnt get to tewak any settings etc. nor did I get the cahnce to test it for any period of time... but to me this *game* was noting more than a good looking - game. It was'nt stunning in any way like other titles I've seen before. GPL blew me away when I first saw that in all it's glory.. same with N4.. GT3... was... well... just O.K. ed_ Olly Greenfield <wrote: > Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racinggame > graphics that I have ever seen, on a PC, console, or even in the arcades.<SNIPPED!>

You just made that word up, didn't you?! LOL ymenard wrote:

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> Snip> irrevelate <snip> > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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>"Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote > You just made that word up, didn't you?! > LOL >ymenard wrote: > > Snip> irrevelate <snip> Yeah, it's in the same family as irrelevation, irrevelatious and of course, unirrevelatism ;-) (switched letters, oops) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Well Ric when you "irrevelate" you protrude from your diagram with a great praydigiously almont of aloofness!! Fact :-) "words by Dr Irwin Corey" "Ric Seyler" wrote:

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| You just made that word up, didn't you?! | LOL | | | ymenard wrote: | | > Snip> irrevelate <snip> | | | | > | > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | > -- May the Downforce be with you... | > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ | > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez | > Corporation - helping America into the New World... | | -- | Ric Seyler | Online Racing: RicSeyler | GPL Handicap 7.01 | [email hidden] | http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler | -------------------------------------- | "Homer no function beer well without." | - H.J. Simpson | | | | | -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- | http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! | -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

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> the first two snips are just you. although a lack of in-car and hood > views are die-hard annoying, they're not prerequisites for a > sim-badge. > Oh yes! No dash-board = no game here. Unless it is a go-kart of course. This stupid "full screen" view with flying instruments looks too much as an arcade-game for you to feel like in a real car. With force feedback wheel, a real carchair, big monitor, surround sound, and then a flying instrument??? No way. Another posting said something about Viper Racing, which I think is a pretty good game, force feedback (allthough an old game), real "in-car" view, and fun to drive. It is NOT enough with some pretty graphics. Look at GPL, a real good racinggame, not the best looking, but one of the best to drive, and with the best ForceFeedback I have ever felt in a racing game. When fiddle around with the settings for FF in GPL (look at http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for details), hold the car still on the track, turn the steeringwheel full to the left, and remove your hands from the wheel. Slowly add throttle, and as the car starts to move the steeringwheel centers if you have set the right chamber / caster on your frontwheels. THAT'S a simulator, although not as "modern" in graphics as many newer games. -- -- Mvh Sven

"Jari Ketola" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9imr28$dbi$[email hidden]... > > Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. The physics are not > spot on, but still very good indeed. Undoubtedly the biggest flaw of > the game is the missing damage modeling (due to licensing terms). Apart > from that the game is pretty much par with e.g. Viper Racing. > I thought that Viper Racing had AI?

"Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > btw; anyone tried the SVGA adapter for the PS2? > There is no "true" SVGA adapter for the PS2. There are converters that convert the TV signal to a VGA signal, but it's not a higher resolution picture from the PS2. The Dreamcast is capable of outputting a VGA signal. The next console capable of VGA (and higher) resolution is the XBox.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > It is quite amazing graphically what they have managed to do at TV > resolution. It is indeed almost photorealistic at times. My wife came > home from work and asked me what race was on TV ! I had to explain > to her it was a replay of my last race. Of coarse then she was pissed > because I bought the game , LOL You should have known better, she gave you an escape and you smacked into the door. ;) Cheers, Rod.

> Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, ultra shinyapplications > on the textures, no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... >i.e., it's an arcade racer built for the young crowd and those who like racing just to pretty much bang into things, one built for those not interested in realism. All this is again fine: what you like is what you like. But please all this nonsense about GT3 being a "must have racer" is a bunch of crock. It's a must for those who like racing pretty much to bang.... Alanb

>>> Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. >>but inferior second place to Sega's superb F355 for console racers. >Haven't tried that one, so can't really comment on it. Sega GT and MSR >were definitely horrible. "Data point" from another PC auto sim enthusiast: Rented a PS2 to play GT3. 2 days into it... Yes, the graphics are amazing. That's the big plus compared to GT and GT2. For the rest, it seems basically like GT and GT2 with the same pluses and minuses with a few improvements. For instance, I'd say they did improve the interface (but that's not make or break, is it?) Plus's: *Duh, the graphics *An interesting replay analyzer *maybe they've upgraded the rally racing, but that's never been my thing *Lots of cars compared to other games/sims, BUT (see minuses) Plus (returned from GT, missing in GT2) *Optional qualifying Same Minuses as GT/GT2 (in my order of importance): "Bungie" racing (Get behind, cars ahead slow. Get ahead, cars behind speed up). Not a *racing* sim until they allow you to defeat this. *Still less than sim-level AI *No cockpit graphics. *Only 5 cars to race against. *Crashing and bumper-cars are still good ways to win (but I think they made the crashing a more severe penalty this time). New Minuses: *Nowhere near as many cars as GT2. They also concentrated on race cars instead of everyday cars. Personal preference of course, but I liked GT/GT2 for being able to drive Astra's, old CRX's, old 'Ludes, etc. Here, I get 3 different versions of race Supras. *Got rid of the used car market (though it still has old Miata's, del Sol and Corolla RWD SR5) So, to me, the GT series scores on playability and I do consider it to be a *driving* sim. But it isn't a high fidelity *racing* sim. I consider buying the PSX for GT2 to be worthwhile. Not sure I consider the same for the PS2 and GT3 given the price (but the graphics are amazing :-). If you already have a PS2 and are reading this ng, you already have GT3, don't you :-) It's a no-brainer. On some other console titles: Bought a DC for F355. Superior to GT in all sim regards. But only a single car to drive (and race against). Big plus for real tracks. AI cheated and exhibited a bit of bungie-effect. Lacks the GT playability. Also bought Sega GT and MSR (Metropolis Street Racer). I agree with the previous poster: recommend a "no bid" on those two. Sega GT had horrble controllability issues (with the stock DC controller). While much better res than GT and GT2, the car models looked pretty fake. Also, the courses are poor. MSR is an arcade game plain and simple. Plus fairly unrealistic (though high res) cars. Only an arcade racer would think it was (a) difficult and (b) realistic. BTW, I also used "Bleemcast" to play GT2 on the DC. The graphics are very much improved adding life to the title. Alas, the controllability with the DC gamepad leaves a lot to be desired.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:51:21 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racing game >graphics that I have ever seen, on a PC, console, or even in the arcades. At 640x480?! >on in order to get a PS2. This game and Madden 2001, make a PS2 worth the >$300 I spent, you simply cannot get games like these two anywhere else at I'd take GPL on the PC and NFL2k1 on the Dreamcast over Madden/GT3 any day of the week.

"Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b4f7255$0$3242$[email hidden]... > and with the best ForceFeedback I have ever felt in a racing game. When > fiddle around with the settings for FF in GPL (look at > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for details), hold the car still on thetrack, > turn the steeringwheel full to the left, and remove your hands from the > wheel. Slowly add throttle, and as the car starts to move thesteeringwheel > centers if you have set the right chamber / caster on your frontwheels. > THAT'S a simulator, although not as "modern" in graphics as many newer > games. F1RC does that too. David G FIsher

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I had high hopes for Sega GT and I bought it and tried hard to like it for about a week, but I finally had to return it, it just sucked in so many ways even compared to ancient pixelated GT1. MSR was a nice arcadish racer , but not quite the sim/arcade racer that I had hoped for, so I just rented it and never bought it. F355 is excellent and very demanding at first, you will crash alot when you are pushing near the limit, about on the level of GPL but you crash more due to understeer than oversteer, as in GPL. F355's major shortcoming is the lack of a decent replay system, it just does a brief replay digest of hilights of the race. But I bought it, and it is as good as GT3 in terms of physics, if not better. "Jari Ketola" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9indti$nkc$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Zonky wrote: > > >> Gran Turismo games have always felt nice to drive. > > > >but inferior second place to Sega's superb F355 for console racers. > > Haven't tried that one, so can't really comment on it. Sega GT and MSR > were definitely horrible. > > -Jari > > Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. > -- > {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 > ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. > ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� > (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu >

> btw; anyone tried the SVGA adapter for the PS2? Can you run GT3 on an SVGA monitor ?? That would be awesome, maybe it would boost the graphics even a bit more. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > It sounds like a trivial graphical touch , > > but it is something that makes the visuals just a bit closer to reality.The > > shadowing and shading within tree branches and on other objects makethem > > look 3D instead of like 2d background objects, adding all the more tothe

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> > suspension of disbelief. > > there are two things that really bug me in GT3: > > 1) why (no, really, WHY?) no hood-cam? > 2) seing as there are monkeys in the trees on certain tracks; why > aren't anybody actually driving the cars? (cockpit is empty) > > no three things; I _really_ hate slow-car boost. > > still a damn good game, though. > > btw; anyone tried the SVGA adapter for the PS2? > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > gitaren er en sjingke

I> >Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, do not think that ymenard has actually seen this game in motion or played it first hand. The models are in excess of 4000 polygons each. > >That is, if you like low-resolution jaggies in profusion. There are about the same level of jaggies as in GPL without 2x antialiasing. >>ultra shiny applications on the textures, Not at all in GT3, you must be looking at GT1 or GT2 running on a PSX. The car reflections are picture perfect in GT3 and not exagerated at all, better than in any racer out there. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:37:10 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > >>"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racing > >game > >> graphics that I have ever seen > > > >That is, if you like low-resolution jaggies in profusion. > > > > Uh.. what? > > I must have the higher res version. > > > > >> Check this game out if you want to get a hint at what the future of

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> >> game graphics will be like.It is something special. > > > > > >Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, > > Name ONE currently available sim that has higher polygon > car models. You can't. And if you realize there are 181 > cars, well it's sort of mind-blowing. > > >ultra shiny applications on the textures, > > Again, I don't have that AT ALL in GT3.. > > >no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... > > Agreed. > >

>I had high hopes for Sega GT and I bought it and tried hard to like it for >about a week, but I finally had to return it, it just sucked in so many ways >even compared to ancient pixelated GT1. Agreed, wish I return it. It is a GT ripoff, pure and simple. But, aside from higher res anti-aliased graphics, it appears worse in all facets. And even the graphics advantage isn't a slam-dunk as they use a standard (ugly) color pallet for each car and somehow all the cars come across looking like lumpy clay models.. >MSR was a nice arcadish racer , but >not quite the sim/arcade racer that I had hoped for, so I just rented it and >never bought it. Ditto, but again, bought and wish I hadn't. Again, the cars just don't look real. Nevermind the physics. And the gameplay is boringly repetitive and only difficult due to how the AI racers cheat (accelerate to hyper velocities when behind). Last, the hyped "features" of the game (real-time clock and "radio station" music) are of no interest to this sim-player. >F355 is excellent and very demanding at first, you will >crash alot when you are pushing near the limit, about on the level of GPL >but you crash more due to understeer than oversteer, as in GPL. I find it is very easy to get power oversteer. OTOH, the g-limit seem much too high on the oval track (forgot its name). Also, the AI cars do strange things in this one too. Also, the high friction coefficient when you rub the wall is annoying. >F355's major >shortcoming is the lack of a decent replay system, it just does a brief >replay digest of hilights of the race. To me, the greatest shortcomings are the usual ones on console racers: too limited field of cars & AI that isn't up to PC standards. This one is also limited by the one car nature and limited number of tracks (but what a car and very nice tracks!). >But I bought it, and it is as good as GT3 in terms of physics, if not better. I'd say better. You get a much finer feel for what is going on with the chasis.

"DB" <[email hidden]> writes: > PS: It does have the hooks in the software for the upcoming Sony > I-net connection device for multiplayer whatever that turns out to > be. It does? you sure? I read somewhere that it only supported the link-cable-thing, which is only available in Japan I believe. I've read a lot of strange things, though. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, ultra shiny applications > on the textures, no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... uh... 1000+ polygons per car translates to low-poly models? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > I> >Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, > > do not think that ymenard has actually seen this game in motion or played > it first hand. The models are in excess of 4000 polygons each. if not he can check out a bunch of screenshots and in-game movies here: http://ps2.ign.com/reviews/13846.html -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: > eejit wrote: > > > > congratulations on being the first to post, "its not gpl", very > > original. > > And as always, very relevant. Yep, one must hold on to the traditions :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

>"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > do not think that ymenard has actually seen this game in motion or played > it first hand. The models are in excess of 4000 polygons each. riiiight <roll eyes>. I've seen better car modeling in most of the PC simulations. > > >That is, if you like low-resolution jaggies in profusion. > > There are about the same level of jaggies as in GPL without 2xantialiasing. In 640x480. So why people crave about the beautiful graphic quality? > >>ultra shiny applications on the textures, > > Not at all in GT3, you must be looking at GT1 or GT2 running on a PSX. > The car reflections are picture perfect in GT3 and not exagerated at all, > better than in any racer out there. GT3 is ultra-reality, but it's a fine and enjoyable arcade-sim game. Tons of fun. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 14 Jul 2001 13:07:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Dave) wrote: > > >To me, the greatest shortcomings are the usual ones on console racers:too > >limited field of cars & AI that isn't up to PC standards. > > Maybe you should try TD:LeMans for DC . I am waiting to buy the PS2 version of Lemans, which seems to be getting high marks on Previews of this version at gaming sites. Mostly better graphics and similar overall qualites to the DC version. But at $29 for the DC version I have been sorely tempted. > >

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:30:34 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >Maybe you should try TD:LeMans for DC . You can get that on the PC too, is the DC version better or something? Because I heard the PC version is crap.

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:30:34 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Maybe you should try TD:LeMans for DC . > > You can get that on the PC too, is the DC version better or something? > Because I heard the PC version is crap.

I've tried every version there is. The DC version was very good. The PC version and the PSX version were done by different developers, I believe, and it shows. The GameBoy version was nice, but it was hard as hell. The PS2 version which is due out by the end of July should blow them all away. It is being done by the same team as the DC version, and there are many improvements. -- Stuff You Gotta Have software for BeOS and PalmOS http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/

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>On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:23:31 GMT, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >> >>> Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, ultra shiny applications >>> on the textures, no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... >> >>uh... 1000+ polygons per car translates to low-poly models? > > ... 4000 - 5000 polys per car. > >The absolute best car models in ANY game, whether it is from PC or >console. Nothing comes close to this.

Project Gotham for Xbox is going to have 16,000 polys per car along with CAR DAMAGE - finally! -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

"Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> writes: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:30:34 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Maybe you should try TD:LeMans for DC . > > You can get that on the PC too, is the DC version better or > something? Because I heard the PC version is crap. it's not the same game. at all. the PC version _is_ a load of shite. the DC version is pretty damn good, though. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

>>To me, the greatest shortcomings are the usual ones on console racers: too >>limited field of cars & AI that isn't up to PC standards. > >Maybe you should try TD:LeMans for DC . [BTW, how does one add an attribution line to the crappy AOL newsreader??] I thought about it, but is it really *that* much better than the PC version which I opted to pass on? I've heard it is, but enough to warrant purchasing? I don't mean this as an aspersion, but I suspect that there is a tendency to "settle" for lesser games on the console simply because there are less quality sim titles there. For instance, I would *never* have considered purchasing MSR if it was a PC title. The only even half-similar game I have purchased was NFS:PU (which I did enjoy, and no I really don't mean to lower it to MSR standards).

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:52:25 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >The DC version is TOTALLY different than the PC version. >It may be the best racer on the DC. Buy it now.. > I'll never buy a console system. Except maybe a PS/2 because it does DVD too.

>I disliked MSR, as well. It was too damned dark at times and the >'Kudos' thing never worked for me. The "watch it's" at least kept me from driving the hell-bent crash into the wall and each other in GT/GT2. But that was about all it had going for it. I wanted to play it long enough to get the Speedster (I work with Opel guys, have driven an Elise, but haven't managed a TD in a Speedster yet). But I wasn't going to put up with the game any longer [re: TD Lemans] >Other -excellent- racers on DC are F355 and Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2. >Now, go buy each of them! >Now! >:) Hmmm, what do you really think? F355 is why I bought the DC. Hmmm, Tokyo eh? Okay, well, when TD Lemans hits the bargain bins (not too long given the DC's future), I'll get it. Here's a recommendation for you (though I'd bet you've acted on it): Bleemcast. Really breathes new life into GT2. Alas, the DC controller is nowhere near as good as the little Interact Racer hand-wheel I got for the PSX.

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>On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:52:25 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>The DC version is TOTALLY different than the PC version. >>It may be the best racer on the DC. Buy it now.. >> > >I'll never buy a console system. Except maybe a PS/2 because it does >DVD too.

Well, that might make it almost worthwhile. I don't have a DVD player right now, except for my laptop computer. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > "Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b4f7255$0$3242$[email hidden]... > > and with the best ForceFeedback I have ever felt in a racing game. When > > fiddle around with the settings for FF in GPL (look at > > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for details), hold the car still on the > track, > > turn the steeringwheel full to the left, and remove your hands from the > > wheel. Slowly add throttle, and as the car starts to move the > steeringwheel > > centers if you have set the right chamber / caster on your frontwheels. > > THAT'S a simulator, although not as "modern" in graphics as many newer > > games. > > F1RC does that too. > > David G FIsher > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Mvh > > Sven > > > > > > > > >

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:xnO37.3723$[email hidden]... >> >> "Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:3b4f7255$0$3242$[email hidden]... >> > wheel. Slowly add throttle, and as the car starts to move the >> steeringwheel >> > centers if you have set the right chamber / caster on your frontwheels. >> > THAT'S a simulator, although not as "modern" in graphics as many newer >> > games. >> >> F1RC does that too. >> >> David G FIsher >> >What? No one's called me a liar yet? > >David G Fisher

Liar. The only reason the steering wheel centers is that the AI is ramming you from left _and_ right. -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu

>"Jari Ketola" <[email hidden]> wrote > Liar. The only reason the steering wheel centers is that the AI is ramming > you from left _and_ right. Oh hehehehe ;-) They also ram you front and rear, so you are basically packt like sardines in a crushd tin box -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:32:25 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:23:31 GMT, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >> >>> Ugh I really don't hope that. Low-polygon models, ultra shiny applications >>> on the textures, no damage modelling, no 3d cockpit, etc... >> >>uh... 1000+ polygons per car translates to low-poly models? > > ... 4000 - 5000 polys per car. > >The absolute best car models in ANY game, whether it is from PC or >console. Nothing comes close to this.

If I wanted to go sightseeing, I'd hop in my car. If I want to drive fast and do so safely, I'll take a simulator with an accurate physics model and okay graphics. GPL is the sim of choice (the graphics are actually outstanding and the FPS is more than adequate... even on starts)

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:52:25 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >The DC version is TOTALLY different than the PC version. > >It may be the best racer on the DC. Buy it now.. > > > > I'll never buy a console system. Except maybe a PS/2 because it does > DVD too.

The DVD player capabilites of the PS/2 is said to be utter crap. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in news:9om1lto29g40eng8noskg9ckck419snini@ 4ax.com: > > The DC version is TOTALLY different than the PC version. > It may be the best racer on the DC. Buy it now.. No... it's nowhere as good as F355. Unrealistic laptimes. Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email.

On 16 Jul 2001 09:14:16 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >The DVD player capabilites of the PS/2 is said to be utter crap. :) Really? Guess I won't be needeing a PS/2 at all then.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: >> I'll never buy a console system. Except maybe a PS/2 because it does >> DVD too. > >The DVD player capabilites of the PS/2 is said to be utter crap. :) > Rats - maybe I *won't* buy one... -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On 16 Jul 2001 09:14:16 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. > Malmin) wrote: > > > >The DVD player capabilites of the PS/2 is said to be utter crap. :) > > Really? Guess I won't be needeing a PS/2 at all then.

The DVD player is an average unit. It has no special features and no great strengths. It does play DVD's well enough however. If you are building a Home Theatre type system, then it is greatly lacking. If, however, you merely wish to view rented DVD's much like a rented VCR tape, then it works just fine. dave henrie

Why do you hav eto chose? I love GPL, but I also am enjoying GT3 as well. I don't get you guys who just like one thing and everything else sucks, geta life! JS "ra300z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:51:21 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Just got GT3, and it is graphically stunning. It has the finest racinggame

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> >graphics that I have ever seen, on a PC, console, or even in the arcades. > > At 640x480?! > > > > >on in order to get a PS2. This game and Madden 2001, make a PS2 worth

the > >$300 I spent, you simply cannot get games like these two anywhere else at > > I'd take GPL on the PC and NFL2k1 on the Dreamcast over Madden/GT3 any > day of the week. >

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:14:14 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> The DVD player is an average unit. It has no special features and no >great strengths. It does play DVD's well enough however. If you are >building a Home Theatre type system, then it is greatly lacking. If, >however, you merely wish to view rented DVD's much like a rented VCR tape, >then it works just fine. >dave henrie >

Well, what other controls besides playback does a DVD player need? Does it have an onscreen console?

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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:14:14 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >> The DVD player is an average unit. It has no special features and > no >>great strengths. It does play DVD's well enough however. If you are >>building a Home Theatre type system, then it is greatly lacking. If, >>however, you merely wish to view rented DVD's much like a rented VCR > tape, >>then it works just fine. >>dave henrie >> > > Well, what other controls besides playback does a DVD player need? > Does it have an onscreen console?

Yes, it does have on screen controls. When the official Sony remote comes out in Sept., there will be new drivers that should add more features. -- Stuff You Gotta Have software for BeOS and PalmOS http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/

I have a PS2 and the DVD is average and a pain in the ass to use. The remote I bought sucked, the on screen controls are ok, but not so user friendly. Also it has a loud fan and would have some problems playing DVDs. I rang Sony and they advised me to go in change a setting relating to the speed it plays them.. I had to do this every time I played a DVD! I have since bought a seperate DVD which is much much better. Rob "Galley_SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Bill and Ben, the flower pot men. wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:14:14 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> The DVD player is an average unit. It has no special features and > > no > >>great strengths. It does play DVD's well enough however. If you are > >>building a Home Theatre type system, then it is greatly lacking. If, > >>however, you merely wish to view rented DVD's much like a rented VCR > > tape, > >>then it works just fine. > >>dave henrie > >> > > > > Well, what other controls besides playback does a DVD player need? > > Does it have an onscreen console? > > Yes, it does have on screen controls. When the official Sony remote > comes out in Sept., there will be new drivers that should add more > features. > > -- > Stuff You Gotta Have > software for BeOS and PalmOS > http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/

I have yet to have any problems playing any DVD's so far. The picture quality has been excellent compared to VHS movies, and it has never had any of the random problems I have had with DVD on my PC. Sound quality has also been first rate. "RJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9j2uha$qp5$[email hidden]... > I have a PS2 and the DVD is average and a pain in the ass to use. Theremote > I bought sucked, the on screen controls are ok, but not so user friendly. > Also it has a loud fan and would have some problems playing DVDs. I rang > Sony and they advised me to go in change a setting relating to the speedit > plays them.. I had to do this every time I played a DVD! I have sincebought

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> a seperate DVD which is much much better. > > Rob > > "Galley_SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bill and Ben, the flower pot men. wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:14:14 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> The DVD player is an average unit. It has no special features and > > > no > > >>great strengths. It does play DVD's well enough however. If you are > > >>building a Home Theatre type system, then it is greatly lacking. If, > > >>however, you merely wish to view rented DVD's much like a rented VCR > > > tape, > > >>then it works just fine. > > >>dave henrie > > >> > > > > > > Well, what other controls besides playback does a DVD player need? > > > Does it have an onscreen console? > > > > Yes, it does have on screen controls. When the official Sony remote > > comes out in Sept., there will be new drivers that should add more > > features. > > > > -- > > Stuff You Gotta Have > > software for BeOS and PalmOS > > http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/ > >

>"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > I have yet to have any problems playing any DVD's so far. The picture > quality has been excellent compared to VHS movies, and it has never hadany > of the random problems I have had with DVD on my PC. > Sound quality has also been first rate. PS2's DVD bit rate is very average, so it struggles a little. You pay for what you get, I say. It's about as good as a mid-range DVD player, which now is about US $200. But it's not bad, not bad at all if you consider it's also a console. The only important features missing are picture control and Colorstream composite components (I have a Toshiba 65H80). Hopefully you are at least using an S-Video cable to enhance your picture quality. Some people will of course nitpick that it's not region free or it doesn't have stuff like zooming, multiple FF speeds (I love my 30x FF!), no backward slomo, no progressive scan (480p would be quite a impressive on the PS2 if the TV supports it), no frame-per-frame, doesn't play all the format (VCD, SVCD, etc.. but that's just home theater geeks ;-) But hey, stuff like the PS2 is bringing the DVD to the mass, which is not a bad thing. But please anybody, don't buy a PS2 and use it primary as a DVD player! :-/ -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > PS2's DVD bit rate is very average, so it struggles a little. You pay for > what you get, I say. It's about as good as a mid-range DVD player, which > now is about US $200. But it's not bad, not bad at all if you consider it's > also a console. speaking of also-consoles; anyone tried one of the new(ish) Nuon-based DVD-players? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 DE RECTIS NON TOLERANDUM EST

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> >"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I have yet to have any problems playing any DVD's so far. The picture > > quality has been excellent compared to VHS movies, and it has never had > any > > of the random problems I have had with DVD on my PC. > > Sound quality has also been first rate. > > > PS2's DVD bit rate is very average, so it struggles a little. You pay for > what you get, I say. It's about as good as a mid-range DVD player, which > now is about US $200. But it's not bad, not bad at all if you consider it's > also a console. The only important features missing are picture control and > Colorstream composite components (I have a Toshiba 65H80). Hopefully you > are at least using an S-Video cable to enhance your picture quality. > > > Some people will of course nitpick that it's not region free or it doesn't > have stuff like zooming, multiple FF speeds (I love my 30x FF!), no backward > slomo, no progressive scan (480p would be quite a impressive on the PS2 if > the TV supports it), no frame-per-frame, doesn't play all the format (VCD, > SVCD, etc.. but that's just home theater geeks ;-)

Here in Europe a region free DVD player is a must. It's getting better now, but the production quality of the movies released here are often on a laughable level, like no 5.1 sound and no widescreen and so on. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:00:49 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >But hey, stuff like the PS2 is bringing the DVD to the mass, which is not a >bad thing. But please anybody, don't buy a PS2 and use it primary as a DVD >player! :-/ Of course not, but getting a game console and DVD player in one unit is a nice insentive. I doubt I would even get GT3 for it anyway, because I'm not going to play a racing game on a gamepad and buying a wheel is an expensive option with no place to mount it to anyway. What do people do when they play such a game on a console, put a desk in front of their TV so they have somewhere to mount the wheel and pedals?

It supports the I-Link, Which is basically a firewire cable. My friend and I spent a few hours with our PS2's plugged together playgin GT3. The GT3 manual says you can plug in up to six through a firewire HUB. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "DB" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > PS: It does have the hooks in the software for the upcoming Sony > > I-net connection device for multiplayer whatever that turns out to > > be. > > It does? you sure? I read somewhere that it only supported the > link-cable-thing, which is only available in Japan I believe. > > I've read a lot of strange things, though. :) > > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > gitaren er en sjingke

"Chojinteki" <[email hidden]> writes: > It supports the I-Link, Which is basically a firewire cable. > My friend and I spent a few hours with our PS2's plugged together playgin > GT3. > The GT3 manual says you can plug in up to six through a firewire > HUB. not six PS2s? three PS2s in split-screen, no? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:20:02 +0100, "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Anyway, personally I couldn't give a monkeys if it looks like F1GP, as long >as it feels nice to drive, is a challenge to drive and it has good >mulitplayer then I'm 'very appy'. GT3 fits the bill then ... as long as you're willing to set up a little GT3-arcade for multiplayer (i.e., multipler PS2s & TVs). Less accessible multiplayer to be sure, but not lesser quality.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:37:40 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >riiiight <roll eyes>. I've seen better car modeling in most of the PC >simulations. Um, no. Whatever it's flaws may be, the car models are unequaled on any platform.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > he car models are unequaled on > any platform. > > Huh? Raced many sims? Or maybe your definition of modeling doesn't include visually modeling damage and other things missing from GT3's "unequaled" car models. Chris

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > not six PS2s? three PS2s in split-screen, no? If you link three PS2s in split-screen, you get three "duels" , 2-player races. If you link six PS2s and six TVs via i-Link, you get one 6-player race. - JjP

Christopher E. Johnson <[email hidden]> wrote: >Huh? Raced many sims? Pretty much all of them (no, visual damage isn't a big deal to me - no one's ever really pulled that off well in a visal sense anyway). Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:38:47 +0930, "RJ" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have a PS2 and the DVD is average and a pain in the ass to use. The remote >I bought sucked, the on screen controls are ok, but not so user friendly. >Also it has a loud fan and would have some problems playing DVDs. I agree. I use it because it's my only DVD player, but it is feature-short and not very user friendly.

In article <9j63o7$j9m$[email hidden]>, Juha J Paaso <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >> not six PS2s? three PS2s in split-screen, no? > >If you link three PS2s in split-screen, you get three "duels" , 2-player >races. If you link six PS2s and six TVs via i-Link, you get one >6-player race. >

Now that actually sounds pretty cool - a LAN party for PS2s...<g> I actually haven't follwed them enough to remember they had connectivity. Eldre -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <9j63o7$j9m$[email hidden]>, Juha J Paaso > <[email hidden]> writes: > >>Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> not six PS2s? three PS2s in split-screen, no? >> >>If you link three PS2s in split-screen, you get three "duels" , > 2-player >>races. If you link six PS2s and six TVs via i-Link, you get one >>6-player race. >> > > Now that actually sounds pretty cool - a LAN party for PS2s...<g> I > actually > haven't follwed them enough to remember they had connectivity. > > Eldre

I believe you can also hook up a 7th set for spectators to view the action. -- Stuff You Gotta Have software for BeOS and PalmOS http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/

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>EldredP wrote: >> In article <9j63o7$j9m$[email hidden]>, Juha J Paaso >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >>>Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>> not six PS2s? three PS2s in split-screen, no? >>> >>>If you link three PS2s in split-screen, you get three "duels" , >> 2-player >>>races. If you link six PS2s and six TVs via i-Link, you get one >>>6-player race. >>> >> >> Now that actually sounds pretty cool - a LAN party for PS2s...<g> I >> actually >> haven't follwed them enough to remember they had connectivity. >> >> Eldre > >I believe you can also hook up a 7th set for spectators to view the >action.

What's REALLY cool is if you link 6 PS2's and 6 TV's it will multiplex the video out to all 6 TV's to create one giant TV (like those video walls). I doubt anyone other than an appliance story would be able to do this. I'd love to see it at Best Buy but they would never take 6 PS2's out of the box. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success