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GPL: "Can't Initialize Replay System" - Help!!!!!!

12 posts by 5 people · 15 Jul 2001 02:37 UTC - 16 Jul 2001 06:14 UTC

Chris Helps 15 Jul 2001 02:37 UTC#173376
Hi All, GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message "Can't Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system is a 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, Soundblaster Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly began to display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, and installed the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run GPL between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting the old GPL directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling Windows Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a new primary partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that Win Me and Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, video and Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/W mode, I get the same problem. Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! Thanks, Chris
I forgot to add that I could play Super 1 Karting, and other non-sim games, with no problems, seems to be just GPL. I don't think it can be related to the GeForce driver or the GPL D3D patch, because the problem also occurs in software mode. Thanks, Chris "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > Hi All, > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message "Can't > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system isa > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, Soundblaster > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly began to > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, andinstalled > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run GPL > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting the oldGPL > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling Windows > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a newprimary > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that Win Meand > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, video and > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/Wmode,
Quoted text (8 lines)> I get the same problem. > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > Thanks, > Chris > >
I dont have the solution, but I had the exact same problem earlier today. But I "cured" it with a reboot. The problem here I think was because I had several programs running in the background. (3 IE browser windows, Outlook, and Adobe Photoshop). I wanted to check a replay but got the same message as you did. Before the message popped up I had a lot, and I mean lot of harddisk activity. Probably swap. It took more than twice the time as normally before anything happend. I think the reason it happend here was lack of free memory or something ? Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? Soltek 75KAV ADM Tbird 1200Mhz (266) 128Mb Apacer VCM ram Asus V7700 Geforce 2 GTS Nvidia 6.31 PCI Promise ATA100 controller Windows 98SE VIA 4-in-1 v4.32 Dx 8.0 Karsten Borchers www.simracing.dk "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > Hi All, > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message "Can't > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system isa > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, Soundblaster > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly began to > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, andinstalled > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run GPL > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting the oldGPL > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling Windows > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a newprimary > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that Win Meand > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, video and > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/Wmode,
Quoted text (8 lines)> I get the same problem. > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > Thanks, > Chris > >
<< The problem here I think was because I had > several programs running in the background >> The only software I even have installed, apart from Win Me and some drivers, is GPL and the Wingman profiler. I tried it with no other programs running, no dice. << Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? >> I'm guessing Me can, because my other games ran OK, but I don't know about GPL. I was also wondering if the RAM could be the problem. I can't remember if I ever ran GPL after I installed that extra memory. I just checked and found that the game-installed replays will play back just fine - so since the the problem message is related to the replay system, I think you may have hit the nail on the head. The replay system does make heavy use of the RAM - I remember there is some parameter which can be set in core.ini to increase the RAM used by the replay recording - perhaps that would help. << Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? >>I could try that ... Do you (or anyone) know of a way to contact Papy about this? Thanks, Chris "Karsten Borchers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b510530$0$947$[email hidden]... > I dont have the solution, but I had the exact same problem earlier today. > But I "cured" it with a reboot. The problem here I think was because I had > several programs running in the background. (3 IE browser windows,Outlook, > and Adobe Photoshop). I wanted to check a replay but got the same messageas
Quoted text (29 lines)> you did. Before the message popped up I had a lot, and I mean lot of > harddisk activity. Probably swap. It took more than twice the time as > normally before anything happend. > > I think the reason it happend here was lack of free memory or something ? > > Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > > Soltek 75KAV > ADM Tbird 1200Mhz (266) > 128Mb Apacer VCM ram > Asus V7700 Geforce 2 GTS > Nvidia 6.31 > PCI Promise ATA100 controller > Windows 98SE > VIA 4-in-1 v4.32 > Dx 8.0 > > > Karsten Borchers > www.simracing.dk > > > "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > > Hi All, > > > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message
"Can't > > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My systemis > a > > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD,Soundblaster > > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly beganto
Quoted text (10 lines)> > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, and > installed > > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run GPL > > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting the old > GPL > > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling
Windows
Quoted text (20 lines)> > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a new > primary > > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that Win Me > and > > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, video and > > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/W > mode, > > I get the same problem. > > > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > >
I think it all comes down to 768Mb memory you have installed ? The parameter to set the amount of memory GPL can use is this : [ Replay ] ReplayMemoryOverride = xxxxx Multiply the amount of memory you will use with 1024, and instert that number instead of xxxxx Ex. 85x1024 = 87040 (The amount I use) You might try this email adress ? : [email hidden] Karsten Borchers www.simracing.dk "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5M747.209495$%[email hidden]... > << The problem here I think was because I had > > several programs running in the background > >> > > The only software I even have installed, apart from Win Me and somedrivers, > is GPL and the Wingman profiler. I tried it with no other programsrunning,
Quoted text (9 lines)> no dice. > > << Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > >> > > I'm guessing Me can, because my other games ran OK, but I don't know about > GPL. > > I was also wondering if the RAM could be the problem. I can't remember if
I > ever ran GPL after I installed that extra memory. I just checked andfound > that the game-installed replays will play back just fine - so since thethe > problem message is related to the replay system, I think you may have hit > the nail on the head. The replay system does make heavy use of the RAM -I
Quoted text (16 lines)> remember there is some parameter which can be set in core.ini to increase > the RAM used by the replay recording - perhaps that would help. > > << Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > >> > I could try that ... > > > Do you (or anyone) know of a way to contact Papy about this? > > Thanks, > Chris > > "Karsten Borchers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b510530$0$947$[email hidden]... > > I dont have the solution, but I had the exact same problem earlier
today. > > But I "cured" it with a reboot. The problem here I think was because Ihad > > several programs running in the background. (3 IE browser windows, > Outlook, > > and Adobe Photoshop). I wanted to check a replay but got the samemessage > as > > you did. Before the message popped up I had a lot, and I mean lot of > > harddisk activity. Probably swap. It took more than twice the time as > > normally before anything happend. > > > > I think the reason it happend here was lack of free memory or something?
Quoted text (37 lines)> > > > Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > > Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > > > > Soltek 75KAV > > ADM Tbird 1200Mhz (266) > > 128Mb Apacer VCM ram > > Asus V7700 Geforce 2 GTS > > Nvidia 6.31 > > PCI Promise ATA100 controller > > Windows 98SE > > VIA 4-in-1 v4.32 > > Dx 8.0 > > > > > > Karsten Borchers > > www.simracing.dk > > > > > > "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > > > Hi All, > > > > > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message > "Can't > > > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system > is > > a > > > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, > Soundblaster > > > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > > > > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly began > to > > > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, and > > installed > > > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run
GPL > > > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > > > > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > > > > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting theold > > GPL > > > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling > Windows > > > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a new > > primary > > > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that WinMe > > and > > > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > > > > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > > > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, videoand
Quoted text (14 lines)> > > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/W > > mode, > > > I get the same problem. > > > > > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > >
Hmmm...perhaps GPL will try to use the amount specified in the core.ini (memoryoverride thing), or if nothing is defined try to use what ever there is ? If nothing is defined, 768Mb maybe a notch to much for GPL to handle ?? So if this is true, adding the memory override line in your core.ini should cure it...(fingers crossed ;) [ Replay ] ReplayMemoryOverride = 87040 Karsten Borchers www.simracing.dk "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5M747.209495$%[email hidden]... > << The problem here I think was because I had > > several programs running in the background > >> > > The only software I even have installed, apart from Win Me and somedrivers, > is GPL and the Wingman profiler. I tried it with no other programsrunning,
Quoted text (9 lines)> no dice. > > << Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > >> > > I'm guessing Me can, because my other games ran OK, but I don't know about > GPL. > > I was also wondering if the RAM could be the problem. I can't remember if
I > ever ran GPL after I installed that extra memory. I just checked andfound > that the game-installed replays will play back just fine - so since thethe > problem message is related to the replay system, I think you may have hit > the nail on the head. The replay system does make heavy use of the RAM -I
Quoted text (16 lines)> remember there is some parameter which can be set in core.ini to increase > the RAM used by the replay recording - perhaps that would help. > > << Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > >> > I could try that ... > > > Do you (or anyone) know of a way to contact Papy about this? > > Thanks, > Chris > > "Karsten Borchers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b510530$0$947$[email hidden]... > > I dont have the solution, but I had the exact same problem earlier
today. > > But I "cured" it with a reboot. The problem here I think was because Ihad > > several programs running in the background. (3 IE browser windows, > Outlook, > > and Adobe Photoshop). I wanted to check a replay but got the samemessage > as > > you did. Before the message popped up I had a lot, and I mean lot of > > harddisk activity. Probably swap. It took more than twice the time as > > normally before anything happend. > > > > I think the reason it happend here was lack of free memory or something?
Quoted text (37 lines)> > > > Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > > Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > > > > Soltek 75KAV > > ADM Tbird 1200Mhz (266) > > 128Mb Apacer VCM ram > > Asus V7700 Geforce 2 GTS > > Nvidia 6.31 > > PCI Promise ATA100 controller > > Windows 98SE > > VIA 4-in-1 v4.32 > > Dx 8.0 > > > > > > Karsten Borchers > > www.simracing.dk > > > > > > "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > > > Hi All, > > > > > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message > "Can't > > > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system > is > > a > > > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, > Soundblaster > > > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > > > > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly began > to > > > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, and > > installed > > > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run
GPL > > > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > > > > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > > > > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting theold > > GPL > > > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling > Windows > > > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a new > > primary > > > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that WinMe > > and > > > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > > > > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > > > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, videoand
Quoted text (14 lines)> > > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in S/W > > mode, > > > I get the same problem. > > > > > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > >
yup I have heard that too before. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MEMORY INSTALLED TO RUN GPL. I'm not 100% sure of the cure, but I beleive the best way is to create a big mother of a ram disk that eats up enough memory to get your system specs under 512k. dave henrie "Karsten Borchers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b510dc8$0$898$[email hidden]... > Hmmm...perhaps GPL will try to use the amount specified in the core.ini > (memoryoverride thing), or if nothing is defined try to use what everthere > is ? > If nothing is defined, 768Mb maybe a notch to much for GPL to handle ?? > So if this is true, adding the memory override line in your core.inishould
Quoted text (26 lines)> cure it...(fingers crossed ;) > > [ Replay ] > ReplayMemoryOverride = 87040 > > > Karsten Borchers > www.simracing.dk > > > "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5M747.209495$%[email hidden]... > > << The problem here I think was because I had > > > several programs running in the background > > >> > > > > The only software I even have installed, apart from Win Me and some > drivers, > > is GPL and the Wingman profiler. I tried it with no other programs > running, > > no dice. > > > > << Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > > >> > > > > I'm guessing Me can, because my other games ran OK, but I don't know
about > > GPL. > > > > I was also wondering if the RAM could be the problem. I can't rememberif > I > > ever ran GPL after I installed that extra memory. I just checked and > found > > that the game-installed replays will play back just fine - so since the > the > > problem message is related to the replay system, I think you may havehit > > the nail on the head. The replay system does make heavy use of theAM - > I > > remember there is some parameter which can be set in core.ini toincrease
Quoted text (28 lines)> > the RAM used by the replay recording - perhaps that would help. > > > > << Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > > >> > > I could try that ... > > > > > > Do you (or anyone) know of a way to contact Papy about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > "Karsten Borchers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3b510530$0$947$[email hidden]... > > > I dont have the solution, but I had the exact same problem earlier > today. > > > But I "cured" it with a reboot. The problem here I think was because I > had > > > several programs running in the background. (3 IE browser windows, > > Outlook, > > > and Adobe Photoshop). I wanted to check a replay but got the same > message > > as > > > you did. Before the message popped up I had a lot, and I mean lot of > > > harddisk activity. Probably swap. It took more than twice the time as > > > normally before anything happend. > > > > > > I think the reason it happend here was lack of free memory or
something
Quoted text (27 lines)> ? > > > > > > Can Windows ME deal with 768Mb ram ?? > > > Have you tried running GPL under Win 2000 ? > > > > > > Soltek 75KAV > > > ADM Tbird 1200Mhz (266) > > > 128Mb Apacer VCM ram > > > Asus V7700 Geforce 2 GTS > > > Nvidia 6.31 > > > PCI Promise ATA100 controller > > > Windows 98SE > > > VIA 4-in-1 v4.32 > > > Dx 8.0 > > > > > > > > > Karsten Borchers > > > www.simracing.dk > > > > > > > > > "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ll747.209206$%[email hidden]... > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message > > "Can't > > > > Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My
system
Quoted text (7 lines)> > is > > > a > > > > 1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, > > Soundblaster > > > > Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. > > > > > > > > GPL had been working perfectly on this system, and then suddenly
began
Quoted text (25 lines)> > to > > > > display this symptom. I had installed Win2k as a dual-boot OS, and > > > installed > > > > the new 12.41 Detonator drivers, and I am not sure whether I had run > GPL > > > > between either of those installs and the appearance of this problem. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs whether I run in S/W mode or D3D mode. > > > > > > > > I have tried everything to fix this - reinstalling GPL, deleting the > old > > > GPL > > > > directory (after uninstalling) and then reinstalling, reinstalling > > Windows > > > > Me; then removing Windows Me, installing Boot Magic, creating a new > > > primary > > > > partition, installing Win Me on that separate partition (so that Win > Me > > > and > > > > Win2k can't see each other). Same problem. > > > > > > > > I just reformatted the Win Me partition, reinstalled Me (again!) and > > > > installed GPL without installing anything but my basic sound, video > and > > > > Wingman drivers. Running the original unpatched version of GPL in
S/W
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > mode, > > > > I get the same problem. > > > > > > > > Heeeeeeellllllppp!!!! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
In article <ll747.209206$%[email hidden]>, Chris Helps wrote: >GPL will launch, but when I try to go to a track, I get the message "Can't >Initialize Replay System", followed by "Cancelling Weekend". My system is a >1.3GHz Pentium 4, GeForce 2 GTS 32MB, 768MB of RAM, 60G HD, Soundblaster >Live, Logitech Wingman, CH Pro Pedals; running Windows Me. 768MB of RAM is too much for Windows 9x/Me to handle. Use msconfig.exe to limit the amount of memory below 512MB. -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -6.29 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu
Chris... As some others have suggested, you have too much memory installed for Windows. You can do several things (hold shift key down while you reboot).....to solve the problem with GPL replay initializing. But, you'll still have several miscellaneous problems with Windows opts (like you'll never have enough video memory, so playing more than one or two videos will crash your system). The best thing to do is remove one of your 256 mb sticks of RAM, reboot and everything will be cool. This is a known problem at MS with Windows 9x. You can refer to the MS KB "article ID: Q253912" ....if you don't believe me. Tom
Tom, and others: Thanks for all the info. I checked out article Q253912, which describes symptoms not exactly like mine, but it does seem to refer to the same basic problem. There are a couple of solutions in the article, which I will try. Unfortunately some of my work apps use more than 512k under Win2000 (dual-booted), so removing the physical memory will have to be a last resort. << hold shift key down while you reboot >>What does this do? Thanks, Chris "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sdp47.211437$%[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> Chris... > > As some others have suggested, you have too much memory installed for > Windows. > > You can do several things (hold shift key down while you reboot).....to > solve the problem with GPL replay initializing. But, you'll still have > several miscellaneous problems with Windows opts (like you'll never have > enough video memory, so playing more than one or two videos will crash
your > system). > > The best thing to do is remove one of your 256 mb sticks of RAM, rebootand
Quoted text (8 lines)> everything will be cool. This is a known problem at MS with Windows 9x. > You can refer to the MS KB "article ID: Q253912" ....if you don't believe > me. > > Tom > > >
Hi Tom, I just used the Win Me system configuration tool (msconfig) to limit memory used to 512MB, and that did the trick. Thanks for your help! Chris "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sdp47.211437$%[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> Chris... > > As some others have suggested, you have too much memory installed for > Windows. > > You can do several things (hold shift key down while you reboot).....to > solve the problem with GPL replay initializing. But, you'll still have > several miscellaneous problems with Windows opts (like you'll never have > enough video memory, so playing more than one or two videos will crash
your > system). > > The best thing to do is remove one of your 256 mb sticks of RAM, rebootand
Quoted text (8 lines)> everything will be cool. This is a known problem at MS with Windows 9x. > You can refer to the MS KB "article ID: Q253912" ....if you don't believe > me. > > Tom > > >
Chris... I was going to do that too. But, I realized I didn't killer need to have the 768 mb of ram....so just took a stick out and used it another computer that "needed more ram." That "problem" drove me crazy for nearly two weeks, until I found the MS-KB on it. I'm not sure what the "hold shift key down and reboot" actually does (you can release it as soon as the message appears, "Returning To Windows..."), but obviously it makes Windows address the memory properly. I used that "work around" for two weeks. Everything on the system worked better when I did that (usually only to load GPL, though). My guess is, more and more people will begin running into this......with RAM so cheap....and "more seeming better!" You know? Glad you found a fix......much sooner than I did...for sure! Regards, Tom

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