F1CS2K Question

Hey all, Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything! LOL I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer, etc. I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K as to why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers? Out of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turn at Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar context. ;) I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I still thought it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. Thanks, Scott PA-Scott The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc

I didn't like it at first either, until I used Jbodin's advanced handling...sheesh I can't even remember what he called it now...Silverstone was cool after that. Going through the first set of esses with loads of grip and at least some warning of loss of traction. with the lwff pedals i had back then, I was very prone to lockup on the brakes. Once I get the Tbird back working, I'll refire f1cs dave henrie "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to > start a flame war or anything! LOL > > I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer,etc. > I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K asto > why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers?Out > of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in > comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) > > Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turnat > Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he > witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar > context. ;) > > I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I stillthought

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> it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you > have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. > > Thanks, > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > >

Scott I like it but I really wish who or whomever worked on SBK2001 would have done the same for F1CS2K. Since being in the commercial graphic arts field for over 25-years I love good clean graphics with high "fps" and for me so far I feel the 2 best are SBK2001 & N4.. jmho :-) "O" yea GP3 is 2nd in the newer F1 era genre but it needs some work. "Scott B. Husted" wrote: | Hey all, | | Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to | start a flame war or anything! LOL | | I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer,etc. | I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K asto | why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers?Out | of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in | comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) | | Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turnat | Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he | witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar | context. ;) | | I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I stillthought

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| it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you | have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. | | Thanks, | Scott | PA-Scott | The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com | | -- | Scott B. Husted | ICQ# 4395450 | http://www.Husted.cc | |

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Scott, The reason why people didn't even want to try F1CS2K is that F1 2000 was buggy (low FPS and terrible AI) and people felt they were ripped off, so some of them never bought F1CS2K or even tried the demo. As you remember F1 2000 was released when everybody was expecting the ultimate thing from EA and almost everybody has tried it. Then you have the loyal belivers of GP2 and MGPRS2, who simply can't admit that the follow-ups can be that disappointing. -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to > start a flame war or anything! LOL > > I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer, etc. > I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K as to > why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers? Out > of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in > comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) > > Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turn at > Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he > witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar > context. ;) > > I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I still thought > it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you > have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. > > Thanks, > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > >

I was one who felt "ripped off" but my kid bought F1CS2K for me and I'm glad she did!! :-) "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: | Scott, | The reason why people didn't even want to try F1CS2K is that F1 2000 was | buggy (low FPS and terrible AI) and people felt they were ripped off, so | some of them never bought F1CS2K or even tried the demo. As you rememberF1

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| 2000 was released when everybody was expecting the ultimate thing from EA | and almost everybody has tried it. | | Then you have the loyal belivers of GP2 and MGPRS2, who simply can't admit | that the follow-ups can be that disappointing. | -- | Ali Ismet Ozkan | F1CS2K Hotlapper

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F1CS can be a lot of fun, but compared with F1RC and GP3 it just doesn't feel right at all as a driving experience. The whole thing is too forgiving, the cars feel sluggish, and just don't seem to react as you would expect a modern F1 car to. Plus the graphics are pretty poor although that is very much a side issue. Iain "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to > start a flame war or anything! LOL > > I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer,etc. > I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K asto > why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers?Out > of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in > comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) > > Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turnat > Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he > witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar > context. ;) > > I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I stillthought

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> it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you > have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. > > Thanks, > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > >

Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PBl47.9573$[email hidden]... > The whole thing is too > forgiving When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay Manager 1.996 ??? I think NOT !!! -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper

Hey "Ali Ismet Ozkan" you are new here, yes? I like your style & attitude! You can stay!! hahaha :-) Cheers Thom_j. "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote:

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| When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay | Manager 1.996 ??? | I think NOT !!! | -- | Ali Ismet Ozkan | F1CS2K Hotlapper | Iain Mackenzie wrote: | > The whole thing is too | > forgiving

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Doesn't really matter if you can do a 1:06 there if the fact remains it doesn't feel like you're doing it in a F1 car. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZEm47.108226$[email hidden]... > > Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PBl47.9573$[email hidden]... > > The whole thing is too > > forgiving > > When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay > Manager 1.996 ??? > I think NOT !!! > > > -- > Ali Ismet Ozkan > F1CS2K Hotlapper > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Out > of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in > comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) > > > I have both on my computer. GP3 I can play easily on my 850, 256 RAM, GeForce DDR system. With With F1CS I have too turn down the number of cars to around 10 and put them on medium or high detail in order not to have a slide show at the beginning of the race. That being said, I do enjoy F1CS more than GP3. Using the MagicBox utility opened up a whole new F1CS experience for me. Plus F1 has more amenities like spotters, replays, etc. and the driving school is fun. GP3 is easier to drive to me than F1CS. This could be because of the "sluggish" feel issues, but on a dry course I can easily pass and do well in GP3. The cars (AI) in F1CS are also harder to pass and they can be made pretty aggressive in the game. I do, however, like the weather effects in GP3 a lot more and that's why I still like to race it every now and then. I think it boils down to how much computer power you have and how you think driving a F1 vehicle should feel. Chris

"Have you ever raced in the new 2000 series F1s?" Tia.. Thom_j. {Honest question Ian P.. Not intending to be a wise-azz either!} "Ian P" wrote: | Doesn't really matter if you can do a 1:06 there if the fact remains it | doesn't feel like you're doing it in a F1 car. | -- | Ian P | <email invalid due to spammers> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I still thought > it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you > have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. At least on my machine, I find that the sense of speed is poor and it feels like I'm permanently racing on marbles, it just doesn't seem to 'stick' to the track as I would expect. Start of the race I have to turn mirrors off or I'll get a slide show, yet the graphics aren't stellar. They're adequate but that's about it. I also have issues with FF with my LWFF wheel which may be the reason that the car feels like it's floating all over the place. If I didn't have F1RS then I would probably have no issues with F1CS. I'm on the verge of overcoming my 'punting' issues with F1CS (by cheating and giving me more brake power.. but it now matches the AI's ability to brake). Cheers, Rod.

No I haven't raced a 2000 F1 car, but you can see clearly from TV coverage that they don't have anywhere near the suspension movement shown (and felt) in F1 2000 and CS. You can also see they change direction far quicker, far more responsively than the ones modelled in the EA sims. I have driven a sand buggy however, and F1 2000 feels oh so similar ;) I'm not saying the other modern F1 sims are totally accurate, but they feel more like I'd expect an F1 sim to behave. BTW, I'm hoping to actually get a go in a modern(ish) F1 car sometime next year, funds permitting, so if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to tell you :) Just incase you're interested, I also haven't driven a NASCAR, but N4 seems to model the driving very closely to what I'd expect from seeing them on TV. IMO it's technically the best sim currently available. I'm not being a wise azz either, just stating my opinions on the current sims and how they feel to me. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uqn47.7976$[email hidden]... > "Have you ever raced in the new 2000 series F1s?" Tia.. Thom_j. > {Honest question Ian P.. Not intending to be a wise-azz either!}

Exactly! Iain "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9isumq$t0n$[email hidden]...

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> Doesn't really matter if you can do a 1:06 there if the fact remains it > doesn't feel like you're doing it in a F1 car. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZEm47.108226$[email hidden]... > > > > Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PBl47.9573$[email hidden]... > > > The whole thing is too > > > forgiving > > > > When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay > > Manager 1.996 ??? > > I think NOT !!! > > > > > > -- > > Ali Ismet Ozkan > > F1CS2K Hotlapper > > > > > >

Rod Don't you mean F1RC, F1CS and F1RC?!? Iain

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> If I didn't have F1RS then I would probably have no issues with > F1CS. I'm on the verge of overcoming my 'punting' issues with > F1CS (by cheating and giving me more brake power.. but it now > matches the AI's ability to brake). > > Cheers, > Rod.

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> Rod > Don't you mean F1RC, F1CS and F1RC?!? > Iain > > > If I didn't have F1RS then I would probably have no issues with > > F1CS. I'm on the verge of overcoming my 'punting' issues with > > F1CS (by cheating and giving me more brake power.. but it now > > matches the AI's ability to brake). > > > > Cheers, > > Rod.

Iain, I don't know anymore. F12000, F1RC, F1RS. ;/ Yes, overcoming my punting issues with F1RS not F1CS. All F1'ed out, Rod.

That part of the reply was about being forgiving, nothing else. So my reply is consistent. -- > Ali Ismet Ozkan > F1CS2K Hotlapper Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9isumq$t0n$[email hidden]... > Doesn't really matter if you can do a 1:06 there if the fact remains it > doesn't feel like you're doing it in a F1 car. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZEm47.108226$[email hidden]... > > > > Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PBl47.9573$[email hidden]... > > > The whole thing is too > > > forgiving > > > > When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay > > Manager 1.996 ??? > > I think NOT !!! > > > > > > -- > > Ali Ismet Ozkan > > F1CS2K Hotlapper > > > > > >

I just pop up in F1CS2K threads except for the car-shape and paint talks... -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper Why don't you join Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1Rm47.7949$[email hidden]... > Hey "Ali Ismet Ozkan" you are new here, yes? I like your style & attitude! > You can stay!! hahaha :-) Cheers Thom_j. > > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: > | When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay > | Manager 1.996 ??? > | I think NOT !!! > | -- > | Ali Ismet Ozkan > | F1CS2K Hotlapper > > | Iain Mackenzie wrote: > | > The whole thing is too > | > forgiving > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 > >

F1CS2K is the only modern F1 sim that gets any use on my puter. F1RC and GP3 don't do it for me at all. I have it patched with Bodin's All-Chassis patch (hardcore, of course ;) ), and play it more than GPL on F1 weekends... Warlock! "Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> Hey all, > > Now before I get pistol whipped and kicked in the groin, I'm not trying to > start a flame war or anything! LOL > > I know most people have a problem with F1RC due to the AI, multiplayer, etc. > I am not the worlds biggest F1 fan, so I have a question about F1CS2K as to > why it doesn't seem to be that popular among the modern F1 sim racers? Out > of the F1 titles I have tried, It seems to be pretty good. Especially in > comparison to GP2.1.. I mean GP"3". ;) > > Now I know If I ask ymenard, he will tell me the pebble on the third turn at > Monaco is turned 3 degrees to the left further than the actual pebble he > witnessed while watching the race and a list of other items in similar > context. ;) > > I just reloaded it last night and was doing some racing and I still thought > it was pretty decent. So I was just curious to what 'faults' alot of you > have with it other than it being an EA title <G>. > > Thanks, > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc

Yes, how a sim feels is a never ending topic and has been talked over and over to death. It attracts popularity and is a perfect source for flame wars. Everyone should happily drive whatever they "like". It is a pure subjective thema and any effort to make it an objective one is futile. The only thing I objected was the claim that F1CS2K being forgiving. -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9it75m$49t$[email hidden]... > > I'm not being a wise azz either, just stating my opinions on the current > sims and how they feel to me. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers>

Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> writes: > F1CS2K is the only modern F1 sim that gets any use on my puter. F1RC and GP3 > don't do it for me at all. I have it patched with Bodin's All-Chassis patch > (hardcore, of course ;) ), and play it more than GPL on F1 weekends... what does this patch do? and where can we get it? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

It gives distinctive physical behaviour to each car and makes them less sluggish but more agile. It's included in the MagicBox packet under the physics section. Here, take a look : http://f1cs2000hires.homestead.com/MagicBox.html . MagicBox is the easiest way to try different game settings without messing up the original game files. Some say "Hardcore Physics" is the best, but keep in mind you'll have the tweak your setups a bit to use with this new car physics. So, don't give up at the first spin. -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> writes: > > > F1CS2K is the only modern F1 sim that gets any use on my puter. F1RC and GP3 > > don't do it for me at all. I have it patched with Bodin's All-Chassis patch > > (hardcore, of course ;) ), and play it more than GPL on F1 weekends... > > what does this patch do? and where can we get it? > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

The claim about being forgiving - which you and I have discussed before - was relating to reactions to mistakes, ie. too much kerb, etc. and the ease with which one can stay on the track. It may relate to the sluggish feel of the driving experience in F1CS but, as you say, it's only an opinion! Iain "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lUE47.12763$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, how a sim feels is a never ending topic and has been talked over and > over to death. It attracts popularity and is a perfect source for flame > wars. Everyone should happily drive whatever they "like". It is a pure > subjective thema and any effort to make it an objective one is futile. The > only thing I objected was the claim that F1CS2K being forgiving. > > -- > Ali Ismet Ozkan > F1CS2K Hotlapper > > > > Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9it75m$49t$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm not being a wise azz either, just stating my opinions on the current > > sims and how they feel to me. > > > > -- > > > > Ian P > > <email invalid due to spammers> > > >

"Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> writes: > Some say "Hardcore Physics" is the best, but keep in mind you'll have the > tweak your setups a bit to use with this new car physics. So, don't give up > at the first spin. dammit. I'm gonna need an armchair mechanic one of these days. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

And my point was that if one does really push it to the limit, it won't take long find out that it's not easy at all to stay on track. We are not driving a sedan sim after all. Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RVG47.14999$[email hidden]... > ...and the ease with which one can stay on the track

... and a new F1CS2K guide, too ! ;) Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Some say "Hardcore Physics" is the best, but keep in mind you'll havethe > > tweak your setups a bit to use with this new car physics. So, don't giveup

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> > at the first spin. > > dammit. I'm gonna need an armchair mechanic one of these days. :) > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

"O" ok.. Your name just semed new to me!! :-) Btw: "Why don't you join" was this directed to me? and if so what doo you mean? Thom_j. "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: | I just pop up in F1CS2K threads except for the car-shape and painttalks...

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| | -- | Ali Ismet Ozkan | F1CS2K Hotlapper | | | Why don't you join | Thom j. wrote: | > Hey "Ali Ismet Ozkan" you are new here, yes? I like your style &

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| > You can stay!! hahaha :-) Cheers Thom_j. | > | > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: | > | When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay | > | Manager 1.996 ??? | > | I think NOT !!! | > | -- | > | Ali Ismet Ozkan | > | F1CS2K Hotlapper | > | > | Iain Mackenzie wrote: | > | > The whole thing is too | > | > forgiving | > | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 | > | > | |

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No worries Ian. I was only curious thats all. Thanx for the info Thom_j. "Ian P" wrote: | No I haven't raced a 2000 F1 car, but you can see clearly from TV coverage | that they don't have anywhere near the suspension movement shown (andfelt) | in F1 2000 and CS. You can also see they change direction far quicker, far | more responsively than the ones modelled in the EA sims. | I have driven a sand buggy however, and F1 2000 feels oh so similar ;) | I'm not saying the other modern F1 sims are totally accurate, but theyfeel | more like I'd expect an F1 sim to behave. | BTW, I'm hoping to actually get a go in a modern(ish) F1 car sometime next | year, funds permitting, so if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to tell you :) | | | Just incase you're interested, I also haven't driven a NASCAR, but N4seems | to model the driving very closely to what I'd expect from seeing them onTV.

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| IMO it's technically the best sim currently available. | | | I'm not being a wise azz either, just stating my opinions on the current | sims and how they feel to me. | | -- | | Ian P | <email invalid due to spammers> | | | "Thom j." wrote: | > "Have you ever raced in the new 2000 series F1s?" Tia.. Thom_j. | > {Honest question Ian P.. Not intending to be a wise-azz either!}

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Oops, it's just a remain of an incomplete erase action. :) -- Ali Ismet Ozkan F1CS2K Hotlapper Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EpK47.12163$[email hidden]... > "O" ok.. Your name just semed new to me!! :-) Btw: "Why don't you join" > was this directed to me? and if so what doo you mean? Thom_j. > > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: > | I just pop up in F1CS2K threads except for the car-shape and paint > talks... > | > | -- > | Ali Ismet Ozkan > | F1CS2K Hotlapper > | > | > | Why don't you join > > | Thom j. wrote: > | > Hey "Ali Ismet Ozkan" you are new here, yes? I like your style & > attitude! > | > You can stay!! hahaha :-) Cheers Thom_j. > | > > | > "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: > | > | When you are trying 1:07:XXX on A1-Ring using stock physics on Replay > | > | Manager 1.996 ??? > | > | I think NOT !!! > | > | -- > | > | Ali Ismet Ozkan > | > | F1CS2K Hotlapper > | > > | > | Iain Mackenzie wrote: > | > | > The whole thing is too > | > | > forgiving > | > > | > > | > > | > --- > | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > | > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 > | > > | > > | > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 > >

Hahaha "O" O'tay!!! "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote:

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| Oops, it's just a remain of an incomplete erase action. :) | | -- | Ali Ismet Ozkan | F1CS2K Hotlapper | | | Thom j. wrote: | > "O" ok.. Your name just semed new to me!! :-) Btw: "Why don't you join" | > was this directed to me? and if so what doo you mean? Thom_j.

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well, we obviously disagree as I understood your point perfectly! It's the limits that are not realistic in my opinion. Iain "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%AI47.17421$[email hidden]... > And my point was that if one does really push it to the limit, it won'ttake > long find out that it's not easy at all to stay on track. We are notdriving

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> a sedan sim after all. > > Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RVG47.14999$[email hidden]... > > ...and the ease with which one can stay on the track > >