Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ? I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very promising. As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive for gaming addons or "patches". Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems.

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ? > I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very > promising. > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have > heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have > digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive > for gaming addons or "patches". > Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will > have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems.

Probably. However the x-box wont arrive until next year here. But it would be fun to have something to hook up to my 32" 5.1 home theatre. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the > XBOX ? me! me! me! > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. hmmm.... are any "promising" racing titles confirmed for the XBox? can't think of any myself. > Also, I have > heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, I dunno what resolution HDTV is, but the 'box will let you run 2000x1800 or something like that on a regular monitor. > and many games will have > digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. it has potential for being a serious asskicker in the audio department, yeah. 256 3d-channels, I believe. I can't wait for it. the in-game movies we've allready seen are really incredible. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the > > XBOX ? > > me! me! me! > > > > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. > > hmmm.... are any "promising" racing titles confirmed for the XBox? > can't think of any myself.

World Sports Cars ? Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with all the addons/hacks/mods and so on. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

[email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: > World Sports Cars ? kidding? > Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with all > the addons/hacks/mods and so on. won't argue with you on that one. but consoles are still the biz for those late night drunken binges. Colin McRay 2 on the PSX is actually really awesome at four in the morning after a few cases of suitable alcoholic beverage with a handful of mates. these days we have GT3, of course. (damned! busted! lol) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes: > [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: > > > World Sports Cars ? > > kidding? Nope.

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> > > Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with all > > the addons/hacks/mods and so on. > > won't argue with you on that one. but consoles are still the biz for > those late night drunken binges. Colin McRay 2 on the PSX is actually > really awesome at four in the morning after a few cases of suitable > alcoholic beverage with a handful of mates. these days we have GT3, > of course.

Agreed. I actually considered a PSX a couple of years ago, just so my and some mates could play soccer games when drinking. (ouch busted too... :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cCB47.8177$[email hidden]... > I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ? It's not the X-Box that will convince me to buy and X-Box, rather the games. So far, I don't see anything that has aroused my interest. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on this one. Certainly won't be camped out at Wal Mart like I was the day the PS2 launched! And that wasn't worth it, it wasn't until two months ago that I began to see a few worthwhile games come the PS2's way. Of course the learning curve shouldn't be as much of an obstacle where the X-Box is concerned. John Cauthen Sport Planet

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> I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very > promising. > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have > heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have > digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive > for gaming addons or "patches". > Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will > have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems. > >

"Gunnar Horrigmo" < > > > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. There was a magazine that had a comparision of nascar heat for the ps2 and also Xbox. The added detail in the track surface, fencing, etc was very noticiable. Plus the AA was clearly better. Xbox graphically at least, will be a superior console, but the first reviews of release titles for the unit seem lackluster. dave henrie > > hmmm.... are any "promising" racing titles confirmed for the XBox? > can't think of any myself. >

Don't think I'll be getting one. The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3. Of course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'll be enough better to make it worth buying. My CPU is already 40% faster than a P3-700. The GF3 is pretty much the same speed as my GF2, plus by the time the X-Box is released, I will most likely already have a GF3. The extra 30% speed increase they can get by having specially designed components, will be eaten up very quickly as PCs continue to get faster. If you didn't have or couldn't afford a top-of-the-range PC, then the arguments for getting an X-Box or a PS2 are extremely strong, but if you are committed to PC ownership and prefer PC-type games, there's little to gain by getting an X-Box. A few of the obvious weaknesses of the X-Box - not upgradeable, limited storage space, low tv resolutions, the discomfort of playing in front of a TV instead of at a desk, games aimed at children, limited memory etc. The list of things you can do on a PC which will never be possible on the X-Box is endless - you can use 3DS Max to create your own models, animations and films, use a massive variety of programming language to create your own applications, use DirectX and OpenGL to make your own multimedia applications, demos or even games, run your business with MS Office, design, create and maintain your own website, manage an e-business, race 1967 F1 cars, record samples and create your own digital music, play System Shock 2 etc. Also DirectSound3D is only one speaker short of dolby digital. "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cCB47.8177$[email hidden]...

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> I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ? > I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very > promising. > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have > heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have > digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive > for gaming addons or "patches". > Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will > have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems. > >

Hmm, so for $300 I get a box with a DVD player and remote, a GF3 and games that are ALL designed to use it, games that I can truly plug and play without having to jump on-line and check for patches first, all that and WSC too? I'm in! "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes: > > > [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: > > > > > World Sports Cars ? > > > > kidding? > > Nope. > > > > > > Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with

all > > > the addons/hacks/mods and so on. > > > > won't argue with you on that one. but consoles are still the bizfor > > those late night drunken binges. Colin McRay 2 on the PSX isactually

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> > really awesome at four in the morning after a few cases of suitable > > alcoholic beverage with a handful of mates. these days we have GT3, > > of course. > > Agreed. I actually considered a PSX a couple of years ago, just so my > and some mates could play soccer games when drinking. (ouch busted > too... :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > Don't think I'll be getting one. The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3. Of > course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'll be > enough better to make it worth buying. we'll see. the released preview-videos are far, far, far ahead of anything we've seen on any PC so far. > If you didn't have or couldn't afford a top-of-the-range PC, then the > arguments for getting an X-Box or a PS2 are extremely strong, but if you are > committed to PC ownership and prefer PC-type games, there's little to gain > by getting an X-Box. you seem to forget a whole bunch of people that want to play console games. :) > A few of the obvious weaknesses of the X-Box - not upgradeable, that may well be a sreangth, > limited > storage space, low tv resolutions, 1920x1080 is low tv-resolution? > the discomfort of playing in front of a > TV instead of at a desk, a common misunderstanding. it should read "the comfort of playing from the couch". besides, nothing'll stop you from playin at your desk if you want. > games aimed at children, bull. > limited memory etc. I'll give you one point for that one. :)

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> The list of things you can do on a PC which will never be possible on the > X-Box is endless - you can use 3DS Max to create your own models, animations > and films, use a massive variety of programming language to create your own > applications, use DirectX and OpenGL to make your own multimedia > applications, demos or even games, run your business with MS Office, design, > create and maintain your own website, manage an e-business, race 1967 F1 > cars, record samples and create your own digital music, play System Shock 2 > etc.

yeah. and the list of things you can do in a real car, which will never be possible on a PC is equally endless. who cares? it's a _gaming_ system for chrissakes! > Also DirectSound3D is only one speaker short of dolby digital. eh? why is it that so many people think you have to choose between one or the other? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OlK47.3221$[email hidden]... > Don't think I'll be getting one. The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3. Of > course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'llbe > enough better to make it worth buying. My CPU is already 40% faster thana > P3-700. The GF3 is pretty much the same speed as my GF2, plus by the time > the X-Box is released, I will most likely already have a GF3. The extra30% > speed increase they can get by having specially designed components, willbe > eaten up very quickly as PCs continue to get faster. Your CPU may be 40% faster, but is the game you're playing written for your CPU? The benefit of the Xbox is that it's a fixed system. A developer can take advantage of the entire system. They don't need to target their game for Mr and Mrs Smith of Green Bay who only have a 300mhz Celeron with an ATI Rage.

Well written games take advantage of whatever hardware is present. "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apL47.26929$[email hidden]... > > Your CPU may be 40% faster, but is the game you're playing written foryour > CPU? The benefit of the Xbox is that it's a fixed system. A developercan > take advantage of the entire system. They don't need to target their game > for Mr and Mrs Smith of Green Bay who only have a 300mhz Celeron with anATI > Rage. > >

You may have a TV that can do 1920x1080 but most people don't. And to get a TV that can do that res would cost more than a top PC. A normal tv can do 800*600. DirectSound3D is 4-speaker. Dolby Digital is 5. Not upgradeable is not a strength. Having a guaranteed feature set is great for developers, until the hardware becomes outdated. CPU's double in speed every 18 months, video card every 12 months. Any hardware in the X-Box will soon be out of date. Also, having a guaranteed feature set is an advantage, but it's not really that difficult to write program that benefit from whatever hardware is in a PC. The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at 25+ so why should X-Box be any different? You think anyone would ever make a game like GPL on the X-Box? Playing on a couch is not comfortable if you want to use an FF steering wheel with pedals. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Don't think I'll be getting one. The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3. Of > > course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'llbe

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> > enough better to make it worth buying. > > we'll see. the released preview-videos are far, far, far ahead of > anything we've seen on any PC so far. > > > > If you didn't have or couldn't afford a top-of-the-range PC, then the > > arguments for getting an X-Box or a PS2 are extremely strong, but if you

are > > committed to PC ownership and prefer PC-type games, there's little togain

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> > by getting an X-Box. > > you seem to forget a whole bunch of people that want to play console > games. :) > > > > > A few of the obvious weaknesses of the X-Box - not upgradeable, > > that may well be a sreangth, > > > > limited > > storage space, low tv resolutions, > > 1920x1080 is low tv-resolution? > > > > the discomfort of playing in front of a > > TV instead of at a desk, > > a common misunderstanding. it should read "the comfort of playing > from the couch". besides, nothing'll stop you from playin at your > desk if you want. > > > > games aimed at children, > > bull. > > > > limited memory etc. > > I'll give you one point for that one. :) > > > > The list of things you can do on a PC which will never be possible on

the > > X-Box is endless - you can use 3DS Max to create your own models,animations > > and films, use a massive variety of programming language to create yourown > > applications, use DirectX and OpenGL to make your own multimedia > > applications, demos or even games, run your business with MS Office,design, > > create and maintain your own website, manage an e-business, race 1967 F1 > > cars, record samples and create your own digital music, play SystemShock 2

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> > etc. > > yeah. and the list of things you can do in a real car, which will > never be possible on a PC is equally endless. who cares? it's a > _gaming_ system for chrissakes! > > > > Also DirectSound3D is only one speaker short of dolby digital. > > eh? > > why is it that so many people think you have to choose between one or > the other? > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

In article <O7X47.6041$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > >Well written games take advantage of whatever hardware is present. > Do those even EXIST anymore...? Software bloat rulez... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

They still use cartridges on them there X-Boxes? LOL "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <O7X47.6041$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Well written games take advantage of whatever hardware is present. > > > > Do those even EXIST anymore...? Software bloat rulez... :( > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > You may have a TV that can do 1920x1080 but most people don't. uh, no. but I got a monitor that can do 1800xsomething. > Not upgradeable is not a strength. Having a guaranteed feature set is great > for developers, until the hardware becomes outdated. CPU's double in speed > every 18 months, video card every 12 months. Any hardware in the X-Box will > soon be out of date. that's the trick you see. it's not about the hardware getting outdated, it's about the _games_ getting updated. developers can push a console _far_ further than a PC, _because_ they aren't upgradable. > Also, having a guaranteed feature set is an advantage, but it's not really > that difficult to write program that benefit from whatever hardware is in a > PC. not true. why do you think almost every game that ever comes out has hardware issues? still; while it may not be hard to "benefit", as in "use", a bunch of different hardware, it's a whole other story trying to push it to it's full potential. > The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at 25+ so > why should X-Box be any different? name one PC-game aimed at a 25+ audience. > You think anyone would ever make a game like GPL on the X-Box? "a game like gpl"? I don't know what that means. > Playing on a couch is not comfortable if you want to use an FF steering > wheel with pedals. it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full days work. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:30:38 GMT, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full >days work. You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV? Either way sounds like a pain.

Always wondered what the TV type gamers did but of course I race all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its a long boring story} and you should see my home'made wooden box setup tho'.. Its great! :o) "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." wrote:

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| You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV? | Either way sounds like a pain. | Gunnar Horrigmo wrote: | | >it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full | >days work. |

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I haven't heard Papy planning to port Nascar 4 to the X-Box. That depth of simulation will never be seen on the X-Box. Where are the serious simulations on the PS1 / PS2 / N64 / Dreamcast? There are none. Over time developers will learn to squeeze more out of the X-Box for sure, but at the same time, PCs will be getting genuinely faster. Ok, I meant 20+. PC games aimed at 20+ audience - GPL, Nascar 4, System Shock2, Thief, Thief 2, Flight Sim 2000, MS Train Simulator, Sim City Series (and all the 50 clones made by other people), Every serious flight simulator ever made, Shogun, Emperor:Battle for Dune, Age of Empires 2. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > You may have a TV that can do 1920x1080 but most people don't. > > uh, no. but I got a monitor that can do 1800xsomething. > > > > Not upgradeable is not a strength. Having a guaranteed feature set is

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> > soon be out of date. > > that's the trick you see. it's not about the hardware getting > outdated, it's about the _games_ getting updated. developers can push > a console _far_ further than a PC, _because_ they aren't upgradable. > > > > Also, having a guaranteed feature set is an advantage, but it's not

really > > that difficult to write program that benefit from whatever hardware isin a

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> > PC. > > not true. why do you think almost every game that ever comes out has > hardware issues? still; while it may not be hard to "benefit", as in > "use", a bunch of different hardware, it's a whole other story trying > to push it to it's full potential. > > > > The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at 25+

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> > why should X-Box be any different? > > name one PC-game aimed at a 25+ audience. > > > > You think anyone would ever make a game like GPL on the X-Box? > > "a game like gpl"? I don't know what that means. > > > > Playing on a couch is not comfortable if you want to use an FF steering > > wheel with pedals. > > it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full > days work. > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > I haven't heard Papy planning to port Nascar 4 to the X-Box. That depth of > simulation will never be seen on the X-Box. Where are the serious > simulations on the PS1 / PS2 / N64 / Dreamcast? There are none. Where are the serious simulations for the pc ? :) As said earlier. WSC is supposed to be released for the x-box. And what is it with the "depth" of N4 that makes it impossible for a console with a harddisk and internet connection ? -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > I haven't heard Papy planning to port Nascar 4 to the X-Box. That depth of > simulation will never be seen on the X-Box. that's a bold statemenet, if I ever saw one. it's also a load of crap, unless you happen to be someone very special. now give up, or I'll have to prove you wrong myself. :) > Where are the serious > simulations on the PS1 / PS2 / N64 / Dreamcast? There are none. yak yak yak. look. NO ONE has advocated a console over a PC for simulation-purposes. racing or otherwise. EVER! there's not much point in arguing that it's better to sit at a desk for racing-sims. and there's not much point in arguing that you'll find better simulations on the PC than on a console. because everyone agrees. but that does not mean that there are no good games for consoles. it does not mean that there are no good sims for consoles. and it does not mean there are no games for old farts[1] on consoles. there are still decent, even very good, racing-sims for around for consoles. F355 Challenge, to pick an example, will annihilate most PC racing-sims any day of the week with both hands tied behind it's back, while sitting backwards, wearing a blindfold and singing waltzing matilda. > Over time developers will learn to squeeze more out of the X-Box for sure, > but at the same time, PCs will be getting genuinely faster. true, but wether the hardware is genuinely faster or you're just using it better don't mean a donkey's kidney. just wait till I get my F355 cabinet, dammit. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: > Always wondered what the TV type gamers did but of course I race > all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its a long boring story} and > you should see my home'made wooden box setup tho'.. Its great! :o) yah, that Erotica Island is a real page turner. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:27:55 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Always wondered what the TV type gamers did but of course I race >all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its a long boring story} and >you should see my home'made wooden box setup tho'.. Its great! :o) Someone should make a luge sim for you.

On 18 Jul 2001 14:41:49 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >As said earlier. WSC is supposed to be released for the x-box. Yea, but it isn't being done by the West brothers, it's being done by the guys who made Commanche v Hokum (Razorworks). I expect the X-box version will be not too much like the PC version (ie. dumbed down).

N4 and GPL are both serious motor racing simulations on the PC. It's nothing to do with the hardware, X-Box could run N4 fine, but you can't argue with history. No sims on the PS1, none on the PS2, none on the Dreamcast, none on the N64. These same developers will be writing the X-Box games. "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Where are the serious simulations for the pc ? :) > > As said earlier. WSC is supposed to be released for the x-box. > > And what is it with the "depth" of N4 that makes it impossible for a > console with a harddisk and internet connection ? > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes: >> The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at 25+ so >> why should X-Box be any different? > >name one PC-game aimed at a 25+ audience. GPL?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: GPL?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Dammit Eldred...now you are going to incite the conspiracy buffs. Bringing GPL into the thread again. btw...there are pleny of PC games aimed at older audiences. Both experienced gamers(racing sims/ flight sims/ war games, masive mulitplayer games like Ultima Online) and the non experienced older gamers...(bass fishing, Bambi hunter, the Vegas type games, the tyle type games...etc) dave (over 40 and still a kid)henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at25+ so

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Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is?? "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." wrote: | Someone should make a luge sim for you.| "Thom j." wrote: | >Always wondered what the TV type gamers did but of course I race | >all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its a long boring story} and | >you should see my home'made wooden box setup tho'.. Its great! :o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

The same developers who failed to write any serious simulations for the PS1, PS2, Dreamcast and N64 will be making the X-Box games. You have to be kidding if you think F355 Challenge is even in the same league as GPL or N4. I have F355 Challenge, the AI is poor, the collision detection and response is really poor and it's very difficult to make the cars spin, even with all the driving aids off. I was winning races within 4 hours play on F355 Challenge. That's the sort of 'Challenge' it offers. I agree for lots of people the X-Box will be an excellent purchase (I never said otherwise), but as I said, if you are *already committed to PC ownership* (meaning you need to have a fast PC but not for games), then given that most X-Box titles will also appear on the PC, what's the point? "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > that's a bold statemenet, if I ever saw one. it's also a load of > crap, unless you happen to be someone very special. now give up, or > I'll have to prove you wrong myself. :) > > > yak yak yak. > > look. NO ONE has advocated a console over a PC for > simulation-purposes. racing or otherwise. EVER! there's not much > point in arguing that it's better to sit at a desk for racing-sims. > and there's not much point in arguing that you'll find better > simulations on the PC than on a console. > > because everyone agrees. but that does not mean that there are no > good games for consoles. it does not mean that there are no good sims > for consoles. and it does not mean there are no games for old farts[1] > on consoles. > > there are still decent, even very good, racing-sims for around for > consoles. F355 Challenge, to pick an example, will annihilate most PC > racing-sims any day of the week with both hands tied behind it's back, > while sitting backwards, wearing a blindfold and singing waltzing > matilda. > > > > true, but wether the hardware is genuinely faster or you're just using > it better don't mean a donkey's kidney. > > just wait till I get my F355 cabinet, dammit. :) > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > myk, trygg og god.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > The same developers who failed to write any serious simulations for the PS1, > PS2, Dreamcast and N64 will be making the X-Box games. > > You have to be kidding if you think F355 Challenge is even in the same > league as GPL or N4. so you think GPL and N4 is represantive for most PC racing simulators? they are typical driving games, are they? > I agree for lots of people the X-Box will be an excellent purchase (I never > said otherwise), but as I said, if you are *already committed to PC > ownership* (meaning you need to have a fast PC but not for games), then > given that most X-Box titles will also appear on the PC, what's the point? where did you get the idea that most XBOX titles will appear on the PC? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

Both will use the same basic operating system, both will have pc video subsystem, the port time to move a title from the xbox to a pc would be much less than taking a PS2 title and porting it to a pc. dave henrie "Gunnar Horrigmo" <

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> where did you get the idea that most XBOX titles will appear on the > PC? > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor. "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV? > Either way sounds like a pain.

Whether they are representative is irrelevant, they are available. F355 Challenge is not representative of console racing games either. Unless Papy start porting to X-Box, I doubt that quality of sim will be seen, apart from maybe WSC if that makes it to the X-Box. As for X-Box titles appearing on PC, obviously 'most' was an exaggeration, but the PC and X-Box are extremely similar since the X-Box is using Windows, DirectX 8.1 and a GF3. Joint releases would make economic sense, and ports will be easier than ever. I think it's fairly likely that major X-Box titles and anything that sells well will also be seen on the PC. PC titles appearing on X-Box isn't necessarily as likely though. MS have said the HDD in the X-Box is only to be used for config files and saves, and that games shouldn't use more than 50MB. What's that going to mean for loading times on the X-Box for a PC game that installs 1.5 GB like Diablo 2? A fairly average PC game installs 600 MB now, loading that data from a CD instead of a HDD isn't going to be much fun. Anyway, that's not the point I was making. All I was saying is that if you've already invested in and need a fast PC, unless you've got more money than sense there doesn't seem to be any great reason to get an X-Box. I bought a Dreamcast and some of the top games for it, and I never use it now. The games have less depth when compared to the top PC titles. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > so you think GPL and N4 is represantive for most PC racing simulators? > they are typical driving games, are they? > > where did you get the idea that most XBOX titles will appear on the > PC? > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

Hey Dave H watch the "older gamer" shit! Grrrrrrrr :o)~ "Dave Henrie" wrote:

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| Dammit Eldred...now you are going to incite the conspiracy buffs. | Bringing GPL into the thread again. | btw...there are pleny of PC games aimed at older audiences. Both | experienced gamers(racing sims/ flight sims/ war games, masive mulitplayer | games like Ultima Online) and the non experienced older gamers...(bass | fishing, Bambi hunter, the Vegas type games, the tyle type games...etc) | dave (over 40 and still a kid)henrie

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"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ...but of course I race all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its > >a long boring story} and you should see my home'made wooden > > box setup tho'.. Its great! :o) "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote: > Someone should make a luge sim for you. Hah! Good one! And if you think it's already hard enough to convince your girlfriend/wife of the importance of late night sim practice, imagine what that set up would bring: "Honey, I know it's 1 am, but I have to take a few more runs down the course. Maybe you could sleep on the couch." ...Klinn

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>I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the >XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move >your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an >SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor. > >"Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in >message news:[email hidden]... >> >> You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV? >> Either way sounds like a pain.

And this will help how? You still have the same problem of having the TV in a viewable area. Consider most people have their TVs away from the computer desk, it still won't work. You'd have your body facing the desk(to steer and work the pedals), but your head would be turned to look at the game on the TV. That doesn't sound very comfortable to me... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL@Klinn but its all true my friend! But when it cums to my G/Fs I have 3 empty bedrooms + this one! Better then any No-Tell Motel I know of.. hahaha :-) "Klinn" wrote: | Hah! Good one! | | And if you think it's already hard enough to convince your girlfriend/wife | of the importance of late night sim practice, imagine what that set upwould | bring: "Honey, I know it's 1 am, but I have to take a few more runs downthe | course. Maybe you could sleep on the couch." | | ...Klinn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/3/2001

>"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote > Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is?? I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :) Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeee we go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below, you'll understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :) http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics? Bunch of crazy freaks! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"O" yea I've seen these for years in the Olympics and good 'ole World Of Sports. I mis-read the word "luge" at first.. I thought it said "leuge" and wasnt sure what the "H" it was?? Btw: I don't race laying flat in the bed I prop myself up agianst my wall that is across the one side of the bed.. :-) "ymenard" wrote: | | I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :) | | Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeeewe | go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below,you'll

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| understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :) | | http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html | | | On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics? | Bunch of crazy freaks! | -- | -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | >"Thom j." wrote: | > Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is??

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:13:01 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is?? Bob-sleds.

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>I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :) > >Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeee we >go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below, you'll >understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :) > >http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html > > >On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics? >Bunch of crazy freaks!

I was watching "Ripley's Believe it or Not" last night and this guy attached rockets to his street luge and was clocked going over 90mph.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > N4 and GPL are both serious motor racing simulations on the PC. I know, but they are the only one too, so historically it really doesn't look good for PC either. > It's nothing to do with the hardware, X-Box could run N4 fine, but you can't > argue with history. No sims on the PS1, none on the PS2, none on the > Dreamcast, none on the N64. These same developers will be writing the X-Box > games. The first question contradict yourself. If N4 could run fine on the X-Box, which I believe it will. And I will argue with history, because I'm a research scientist, and if I only believed in history we wouldn't make much progress. The X-box is a new consept in consoles with pc like possibilites so you never know. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > Whether they are representative is irrelevant, they are available. F355 > Challenge is not representative of console racing games either. ok. you got me there. :) > Anyway, that's not the point I was making. All I was saying is that if > you've already invested in and need a fast PC, unless you've got more money > than sense there doesn't seem to be any great reason to get an > X-Box. it's all about the games, man. that it has a lot of things in common witha PC shouldn't be relevant for the end user. > I > bought a Dreamcast and some of the top games for it, and I never use it now. > The games have less depth when compared to the top PC titles. well, the DC fell on it's face. a damned shame. so much potential and there are only 200-300 games for it. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

"Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> writes:

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> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:30:38 GMT, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full > >days work. > > You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV? > Either way sounds like a pain.

uh yeah, I move the desk and the TV, 'coz that 3-pound console is just to heavy to lift. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

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> In article <2Xo57.4348$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the > >XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move > >your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an > >SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor. > > And this will help how? You still have the same problem of having the TV in a > viewable area. Consider most people have their TVs away from the computer > desk, it still won't work. You'd have your body facing the desk(to steer and > work the pedals), but your head would be turned to look at the game on the TV. > That doesn't sound very comfortable to me...

ok. read what he said again. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

>"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > N4 and GPL are both serious motor racing simulations on the PC. > > I know, but they are the only one too No. Include MBTR and others at least. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> >"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > N4 and GPL are both serious motor racing simulations on the PC. > > > > I know, but they are the only one too > > > No. Include MBTR and others at least.

Oh, sorry about that :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Sorry for dragging that on so long :) "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > ok. you got me there. :) > > it's all about the games, man. that it has a lot of things in common > witha PC shouldn't be relevant for the end user. > > well, the DC fell on it's face. a damned shame. so much potential > and there are only 200-300 games for it. > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:26:35 GMT, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >uh yeah, I move the desk and the TV, 'coz that 3-pound console is just >to heavy to lift. No need for the sarcasm dickhead. I don't own a PS/2 so how am I supposed to know you can hook it up to your computer monitor? Most people hook them up to their TV so you still haven't told me where those people put their wheel and pedals combo. My guess is they don't and most play with a silly gamepad.

Thank you! ;o) "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > In article <2Xo57.4348$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > ok. read what he said again. > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8

Kibo�: 2 > "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: >> In article <2Xo57.4348$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the >> >XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move >> >your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an >> >SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor. >> >> And this will help how? You still have the same problem of having the TV >in a >> viewable area. Consider most people have their TVs away from the computer >> desk, it still won't work. You'd have your body facing the desk(to steer >and >> work the pedals), but your head would be turned to look at the game on the >TV. >> That doesn't sound very comfortable to me... > >ok. read what he said again. >

<sigh>... I guess it was WAY too late when I read that... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.