OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last climb was amazing. (did I mention he was Yank?) dave henrie

Jan Ullrich is also very strong this year, but it seems not strong enough for Lance Armstrong. It's still a wonder that this man was nearly dead a few years ago, but he won the toughest fight of his life against cancer and now he he wins the Tour de France again and again and ... -- Have several nice days !!! Michael Heymanns Team-Manager SRG IWSC Champion 2000 IPSC GT-Champion 2000 TPTCC Champion 1999 TPTCC Champion 2000 TPTCC Champion 2001 www.srg-group.de www.teamsrg.de www.tptcc.de 1&1 Profiseller www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791 "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > climb was amazing. > (did I mention he was Yank?) > dave henrie > >

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > climb was amazing. > (did I mention he was Yank?) Isn't it incredible what these new un-detectable drugs can do !

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9jf6ih$mer2l$[email hidden]... > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, thatLance > > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during thelast > > climb was amazing. > > (did I mention he was Yank?) > > Isn't it incredible what these new un-detectable drugs can do ! > >Don't assume things you have no evidence to assume, Lance Armstrong fought so hard to keep his life when he was riddled with cancer I can't see him putting his health at risk to win a bike race.

They said the same thing about Greg LeMond. Wonder if it might be a coincidence that they're both Americans. Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being. GBB wrote:

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> "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9jf6ih$mer2l$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that > Lance > > > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the > last > > > climb was amazing. > > > (did I mention he was Yank?) > > > > Isn't it incredible what these new un-detectable drugs can do ! > > > > > Don't assume things you have no evidence to assume, Lance Armstrong fought > so hard to keep his life when he was riddled with cancer I can't see him > putting his health at risk to win a bike race.

Yeah wow, he must have the best doctor of the pack..... Lance seems like a nice guy, but if you for one second believe that he is any cleaner than the rest, you might just be a bit too patriotic. Mikkel PS: speaking of patriotism... funny how Laurent Jalabert, after signing on a danish team and winning 2 stages, is "almost" a Dane now in the danish media ;) Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]...

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> I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > climb was amazing. > (did I mention he was Yank?) > dave henrie > >

Bob Geddes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > They said the same thing about Greg LeMond. Wonder if it might be a > coincidence that they're both Americans. > > Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being. > >I'm saying it about everyone. Cycling is the test-bed for new performance enhancing drugs. Have you been living in a cave or something ?

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> Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > > climb was amazing. > > (did I mention he was Yank?) > > Isn't it incredible what these new un-detectable drugs can do !

I've been following cycling seriously since 1988 (when Delgado won the tour and Steven Rooks won the mountain price. I was eleven in 1988). During the late 1980s and early 1990s, almost no-one spoke about doping and thought about doping, but in those day's (almost) everyone was using doping as much as they do now. Since the "tour de dopage" of 1998, doping has been THE issue in cycling. I believe nothing has really changed; they use doping as much as ever and the sport itself hasn't changed much; they are still cycling twice as fast as I do.. For me, however, the enjoyment has decreased. 10 years ago, I just admired the cyclist who had done something extraordinary, now I start thinking (subconciously) about the amounts of doping he must be using. greetings, Han Monsees

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:35:21 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Isn't it incredible what these new un-detectable drugs can do ! Like he says in the Nike commercial, "What am I on? I'm on my bike -- six hours a day!" Go Lance!

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:02:56 GMT, Bob Geddes <[email hidden]> wrote: >They said the same thing about Greg LeMond. Wonder if it might be a >coincidence that they're both Americans. > >Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being. I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. Unfortunately they don't get enough credit. Especially in North America.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:15:17 GMT, ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote: >I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. >Unfortunately they don't get enough credit. Especially in North >America. Lance is beginning to turn that around. Greg LeMond was virtually ignored even through he, too, had to overcome a life-threatening medical crisis (he was accidentally shot by his brother-in-law) and came back to win the most exciting tour ever when he won the maillot Jaune (sp?) in a time trial on the event's final day by a scant 8 seconds -- the closest finish ever... And outside the cycling community, he remained almost unknown...

The Telekom AG has said that they will quit with sponsoring the team if there is an evidence that someone of their drivers has used drugs or dope. They are still in and so I don't see a reason why someone from the Team Telekom is using drugs. Can't say anything about Lance, but if you had to fight for your life you won't risk your life by using drugs. -- Have several nice days !!! Michael Heymanns Team-Manager SRG IWSC Champion 2000 IPSC GT-Champion 2000 TPTCC Champion 1999 TPTCC Champion 2000 TPTCC Champion 2001 www.srg-group.de www.teamsrg.de www.tptcc.de 1&1 Profiseller www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791 "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3b5b45f6$0$785$[email hidden]... > Yeah wow, he must have the best doctor of the pack..... > Lance seems like a nice guy, but if you for one second believe that he is > any cleaner than the rest, you might just be a bit too patriotic. > > Mikkel > > PS: speaking of patriotism... funny how Laurent Jalabert, after signing on a > danish team and winning 2 stages, is "almost" a Dane now in the danish media > ;) > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > > climb was amazing. > > (did I mention he was Yank?) > > dave henrie > > > > > >

>"ra300z" <[email hidden]> wrote > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. Anybody who knows about the sport would agree with that, but they would also agree that the people with the most money are the for mostly the ones at the top. It's normal, it's the same in motorsport. More money = better crew = better scientist and research = finding new ways to enhance your body (whatever it's by drugs or by natural body work). Just replace the body with a racing car and we have motorsports :-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yeah wow, he must have the best doctor of the pack..... > Lance seems like a nice guy, but if you for one second believe that he is > any cleaner than the rest, you might just be a bit too patriotic. It's like the Tifosis thinking that the Scuderia Ferrari don't cheat like the other teams. Riiiiight <roll eyes> ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Michael Heymanns <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws 9jgcf6$ck9$[email hidden]... > The Telekom AG has said that they will quit with sponsoring the team if > there is an evidence that someone of their drivers has used drugs or dope. > They are still in and so I don't see a reason why someone from the Team > Telekom is using drugs. Can't say anything about Lance, but if you had to > fight for your life you won't risk your life by using drugs. >Most sponsors say they will quit if there is any cyclist caught for dope, to be politically correct IMO. I think they agree with almost everything as far as their cyclists aren't caught. Two teams have been caught recently (Festina and TVM) and I simply cannot believe they are the only ones that were using dope, are using dope or will be using dope. I not going to accuse any cyclist personally; it's not a problem of induviduals but one of the whole sport. A couple of years ago, their has been a research in the USA about dope and they found that a very large amount of young people were willing to sacrifice 10 or 20 years of their lifes in order to achieve sporting succes. And I think a similar research would give similar results in Europe, too. greetings, Han Monsees

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> -- > Have several nice days !!! > > > Michael Heymanns > Team-Manager SRG > > IWSC Champion 2000 > IPSC GT-Champion 2000 > TPTCC Champion 1999 > TPTCC Champion 2000 > TPTCC Champion 2001 > > www.srg-group.de > www.teamsrg.de > www.tptcc.de > > 1&1 Profiseller > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791 > "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:3b5b45f6$0$785$[email hidden]... > > Yeah wow, he must have the best doctor of the pack..... > > Lance seems like a nice guy, but if you for one second believe that he

is > > any cleaner than the rest, you might just be a bit too patriotic. > > > > Mikkel > > > > PS: speaking of patriotism... funny how Laurent Jalabert, after signingon

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> a > > danish team and winning 2 stages, is "almost" a Dane now in the danish > media > > ;) > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that > Lance > > > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the > last > > > climb was amazing. > > > (did I mention he was Yank?) > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > >

unfortunately you are right but it shouldn't be as bad in Europe because you don't make as much money as in the states...so the incentive should be a bit less, but true nevertheless. > > A couple of years ago, their has been a research in the USA about dope and > they found that a very large amount of young people were willing to > sacrifice 10 or 20 years of their lifes in order to achieve sportingsucces. > And I think a similar research would give similar results in Europe, too. > > greetings, > Han Monsees >

i remember Lemond beat the hot favourite to win it that year (his first?). it made for exciting television with the commentators calling out the times. it was very dramatic. if memory serves it was a frenchman he beat so the crowd was probably not very happy :) great race though. started watching it every year from that moment on... On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:10:42 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:15:17 GMT, ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. >>Unfortunately they don't get enough credit. Especially in North >>America. > >Lance is beginning to turn that around. > >Greg LeMond was virtually ignored even through he, too, had to >overcome a life-threatening medical crisis (he was accidentally shot >by his brother-in-law) and came back to win the most exciting tour >ever when he won the maillot Jaune (sp?) in a time trial on the >event's final day by a scant 8 seconds -- the closest finish ever... > >And outside the cycling community, he remained almost unknown...

Regards all, istoff

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> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:02:56 GMT, Bob Geddes <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >They said the same thing about Greg LeMond. Wonder if it might be a > >coincidence that they're both Americans. > > > >Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being. > > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. > Unfortunately they don't get enough credit. Especially in North > America. >

I remember reading last year , possibly on rec.bicycles.racing that most American people value an Olympic cycling title above that of winning Le Tour which demonstrates the understanding of the average Yank regarding cycling . An Olympic road race medal is a relatively unimportant title in cycling compared to winning the Tour . Winning the latter gives a rider instant respect among his peers and a place in cycling's history books . I have a book in the house entitled "Kings of the Road" about the great races and riders of the past few decades and no-where is the Olympic road race mentioned. Despite this , the US has managed to produce a few classy road racers with Lemond and Armstrong obviously shining brightest . Armstrong has seemed invincible this year which goes to demonstrate that uses his head to train for the races which count . He probably studied the route of the Tour when announced back in November and worked out what kind of preparation he would need for his third Tour win . Ullrich on the other hand probably stuck to the same old routine and helped himself to all the sausages and cakes he could eat . As much as I hate seeing a Yank beat us at what is a European sport , I can't help respecting the guy for his achievements . AT

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xCO67.6371$i%[email hidden]... > >"ra300z" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. > > > Anybody who knows about the sport would agree with that, but they wouldalso > agree that the people with the most money are the for mostly the ones atthe > top. It's normal, it's the same in motorsport. Lance Armstrong was dirt poor as a teen...yet he was a very good triathelte. The one's at the top have the most money b/c they are getting paid to do that since they are at the top...not the same way in motorsports. Outside of North America most good cyclists (pre pro racing) are the ones w/o any money. > More money = better crew = better scientist and research = finding newways > to enhance your body (whatever it's by drugs or by natural body work).Just > replace the body with a racing car and we have motorsports :-) At the highest level this is true, but everyone goes through the lower levels to get to the higher ones. A good lower-level racer with a $1-2k bike will always beat the wannabe with the $4-5k Colnago (ferrari of bikes...just look at their website, if anybody wants to get me one of those I would be very happy). In motorsports it's much different; it's easier to buy your way into being good at the lower levels...just go ahead an buy some more hp. Once the cyclist proves himself then he gets all those yummy pills and shots which = hp. :-) Jon

Ulrick in the past has been known to arrive at the Tour barely in shape. But this year he seems quite capable. The British commentator we get over here in the States has commented several times how everyone would be marveling at Ulrich's tour, except for the fact Armstrong is there. They have said he even looks in better shape than the year he did win the tour. Great picture in today's newspaper, Ulrich and Armstrong shaking hands while crossing the finish. US Olympic Cyclists? I can't think of any. I'm only a casual fan at best, but certainly I know the place of the Tour. That is like saying the Americans put more emphasis on the Petite Le Mans. The Atlanta race may get more exposure due to being held here in the states, but anyone who knows what endurance racing is, knows about a certain event in France. dave henrie "A Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ji046$dm0$[email hidden]...

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> > ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:02:56 GMT, Bob Geddes <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >They said the same thing about Greg LeMond. Wonder if it might be a > > >coincidence that they're both Americans. > > > > > >Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being. > > > > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete. > > Unfortunately they don't get enough credit. Especially in North > > America. > > > I remember reading last year , possibly on rec.bicycles.racing that most > American people value an Olympic cycling title above that of winning Le

Tour > which demonstrates the understanding of the average Yank regarding cycling.

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> > An Olympic road race medal is a relatively unimportant title in cycling > compared to winning the Tour . Winning the latter gives a rider instant > respect among his peers and a place in cycling's history books . I have a > book in the house entitled "Kings of the Road" about the great races and > riders of the past few decades and no-where is the Olympic road race > mentioned. > > Despite this , the US has managed to produce a few classy road racers with > Lemond and Armstrong obviously shining brightest . Armstrong has seemed > invincible this year which goes to demonstrate that uses his head to train > for the races which count . He probably studied the route of the Tour when > announced back in November and worked out what kind of preparation he

would

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> need for his third Tour win . Ullrich on the other hand probably stuck to > the same old routine and helped himself to all the sausages and cakes he > could eat . > > As much as I hate seeing a Yank beat us at what is a European sport , I > can't help respecting the guy for his achievements . > > AT > >

it's too bad the americans didn't get interested in the "grande boucle" sooner, they have missed the TREMENDOUS Anquetil Vs Poulidor era, then the Mercx Vs rest of the world era, then the Hinault (best to date) era, they probably started hearing about it with Lemond who was a great champion, probably better than Armstrong because he had more than 1 opponent, unfortunately over the last 3 years with all this EPO stuff the contest has been reducing to Armstrong Vs Ulrich (Bye virenque and pantani) and everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun anymore, until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... Don't forget to watch the next stages this week (the last) the mountains are done with but the flat stages generally make for spectacular arrivals, like 10 guys coming at 60-70 kph in the last 250 meters. Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last 5 times wants it back... ok, over with rec.bicycle.tour de france and back to this f....k nascar 4 who won't run online with a patched exe file !!!

What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and then retire from the tour in the mountains. Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more interesting than it is this year. David G Fisher "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... (Bye virenque and pantani) and > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun anymore, > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

Txl wrote in message ... > >Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the >green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last 5 >times wants it back... > Sure am home....I missed some coverage over the past few days but can't wait to see how O'Grady finishes. It's been a while since an Aussie was wearing a leader's jersey for any length of time! Ben

Pantani virtually killed himself trying to prove he could outclimb Armstrong. On the big hill last year, Armstrong rode in Pantani's shadow for most of the climb, then at the very end, eased up to allow Pantani the victory..Similar to how LA followed Lars up the hill. This act of respect by Armstrong was misinterpreted and infuriated the Pirate so much he rode the next climbing stage without any thought of strategy...only the intense desire humiliate Armstrong. (he withdrew from the Tour the next morning after his body practically decomposed from within) I don't think the Pirate would have been a threat for the over all Tour in 2001, certainly he might have taken a stage or two, but he cooked himself last year. dave henrie "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]...

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> What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > interesting than it is this year. > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun

anymore, > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > >

For some reason his name just came to me. Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]...

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> Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > interesting than it is this year. > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun

anymore, > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qF477.22286$[email hidden]... > For some reason his name just came to me. That is a sure sign of what my wife calls 'Dave Disease' I can think of a 1000 details about a subject, but ask me the name and I blank....then later, without effort it will magically surface... see a doctor :) dave henrie Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not > Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name. > > David G Fisher

Boy do I have that disease. I am absolutely horrible with names, especially when I NEED to remember them. I do though have my 15 digit drivers license # memorized for some unknown reason. :-) David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5K477.399075$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qF477.22286$[email hidden]... > > For some reason his name just came to me. > That is a sure sign of what my wife calls 'Dave Disease' > I can think of a 1000 details about a subject, but ask me the name and I > blank....then later, without effort it will magically surface... > see a doctor :) > dave henrie > > > Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not > > Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name. > > > > David G Fisher > > >

No, Pantani was not going to win, but he was fun to watch in the mountains. He did win it all in '98 though. Is he even still racing? I've heard no reasons for Pantani and Zule not being in the race. Have they retired, or did they just skip the Tour this year? David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HE477.399044$[email hidden]...

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> Pantani virtually killed himself trying to prove he could outclimb > Armstrong. On the big hill last year, Armstrong rode in Pantani's shadow > for most of the climb, then at the very end, eased up to allow Pantani the > victory..Similar to how LA followed Lars up the hill. This act of respect > by Armstrong was misinterpreted and infuriated the Pirate so much he rode > the next climbing stage without any thought of strategy...only the intense > desire humiliate Armstrong. (he withdrew from the Tour the next morning > after his body practically decomposed from within) > I don't think the Pirate would have been a threat for the over all Tour

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> 2001, certainly he might have taken a stage or two, but he cooked himself > last year. > dave henrie > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]... > > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a

few > > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages,and > > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and oneother

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> > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > > interesting than it is this year. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun > anymore, > > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > > > > > >

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is a pure sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years. Pretty flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn't have a ton of respect for him though - win the bunch sprints then disappear: not really riding the Tour as such... "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]...

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> What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > interesting than it is this year. > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun

anymore, > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > >

Yes, that's him. Thanks. I wonder why he's not in the Tour this year. David G Fisher "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qw577.1824$[email hidden]... > I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is apure

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> sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years. Pretty > flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn't have a > ton of respect for him though - win the bunch sprints then disappear: not > really riding the Tour as such... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]... > > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a

few > > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages,and > > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and oneother

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> > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > > interesting than it is this year. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun > anymore, > > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > > > > > >

Mario Cipolloni, won another couple of stages this year in the Giro (Tour of Italy), from the team Saeco who has been sayoing for the last 1 years thahe's too old and they want him out, the problem they have is that nobody else can win stages for them...but i think this year he will move out of them... "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: ar477.22078$[email hidden]...

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> What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more > interesting than it is this year. > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun

anymore, > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > >

Pantani has been caught cheating again with EPO and has started to race again this year, unfortunately for him his team has not been selected to make the tour. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: TT477.22431$[email hidden]... > No, Pantani was not going to win, but he was fun to watch in themountains.

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> He did win it all in '98 though. Is he even still racing? I've heard no > reasons for Pantani and Zule not being in the race. Have they retired, or > did they just skip the Tour this year? > > David G Fisher > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HE477.399044$[email hidden]... > > Pantani virtually killed himself trying to prove he could outclimb > > Armstrong. On the big hill last year, Armstrong rode in Pantani's

shadow > > for most of the climb, then at the very end, eased up to allow Pantanithe > > victory..Similar to how LA followed Lars up the hill. This act ofrespect > > by Armstrong was misinterpreted and infuriated the Pirate so much herode > > the next climbing stage without any thought of strategy...only theintense > > desire humiliate Armstrong. (he withdrew from the Tour the next morning > > after his body practically decomposed from within) > > I don't think the Pirate would have been a threat for the over allTour > in > > 2001, certainly he might have taken a stage or two, but he cookedhimself

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> > last year. > > dave henrie > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]... > > > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a > few > > > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, > and > > > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > > > > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one > other > > > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it

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> > > interesting than it is this year. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > > > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun > > anymore, > > > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > > > > > > > > > > >

last time was O'grady last year or 2 years ago, and last time before thjat was phil anderson in 1981...until he got kicked by hinault... "Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > > Txl wrote in message ... > > > >Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the > >green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last5 > >times wants it back... > > > > Sure am home....I missed some coverage over the past few days but can'twait > to see how O'Grady finishes. It's been a while since an Aussie waswearing > a leader's jersey for any length of time! > > Ben > >

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:47:00 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: what do you guys think of the coverage of the Tour. We have been getting Phill Liggett & Paul Sherwin for the last 10 years or so. Excellent and informative for an ininformed viewer like me :) Phil has become a welcome voice sort of like Murray Walker is as well. He doesn't make as many gaffs as Murray though... Regards all, istoff "Its easy to get lost in thought if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

I think they do a great job covering the Tour. I've been following it for about 12 years and I can't imagine not hearing them do the commentary. David G Fisher <istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:47:00 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > what do you guys think of the coverage of the Tour. We have been > getting Phill Liggett & Paul Sherwin for the last 10 years or so. > > Excellent and informative for an ininformed viewer like me :) > > Phil has become a welcome voice sort of like Murray Walker is as well. > He doesn't make as many gaffs as Murray though... > > > Regards all, > istoff > > "Its easy to get lost in thought > if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

The team Cippolini rides for did not get elected by the Tour de France Management. And Bjarne Riis is Danish by the way.. he has gotten of his bike and is now head of team CSC-Tiscali with Jalabert as the star instead. Mikkel David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t1677.22917$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, that's him. Thanks. I wonder why he's not in the Tour this year. > > David G Fisher > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qw577.1824$[email hidden]... > > I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is a > pure > > sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years. Pretty > > flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn't have

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> > really riding the Tour as such... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]... > > > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a > few > > > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, > and > > > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > > > > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one > other > > > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it

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> > > interesting than it is this year. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > > > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun > > anymore, > > > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > > > > > > > > > > >

I think the coverage has been excellent. I live in Canada and we get coverage via the US "OLN" network. Phil and Paul are very knowledgeable and know when to talk and when to shut up (very important for commentators). The American host Bob Varsha is also doing a very good job especially considering he is normally a motor racing commentator. OLN's coverage makes CBS's past efforts look like a joke. CBS would spend 25 minutes giving us Greg Lemond's life story then show 5 minutes of race coverage. OLN is understandably emphasizing Armstrong's performance but at least they don't make it look like he's the only one racing. And it's kind of hard not to rave about the guy after the Alps and Pyrenees... <istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:47:00 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > what do you guys think of the coverage of the Tour. We have been > getting Phill Liggett & Paul Sherwin for the last 10 years or so. > > Excellent and informative for an ininformed viewer like me :) > > Phil has become a welcome voice sort of like Murray Walker is as well. > He doesn't make as many gaffs as Murray though... > > > Regards all, > istoff > > "Its easy to get lost in thought > if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

"Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b5d6509$0$267$[email hidden]... > The team Cippolini rides for did not get elected by the Tour de France > Management. > And Bjarne Riis is Danish by the way.. he has gotten of his bike and isnow > head of team CSC-Tiscali with Jalabert as the star instead. Yep, that's what I said. "For some reason his name just came to me. Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not Belgium." David G Fisher

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> > Mikkel > > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:t1677.22917$[email hidden]... > > Yes, that's him. Thanks. I wonder why he's not in the Tour this year. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:qw577.1824$[email hidden]... > > > I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is

a > > pure > > > sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years.Pretty > > > flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn'thave

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> a > > > ton of respect for him though - win the bunch sprints then disappear: > not > > > really riding the Tour as such... > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ar477.22078$[email hidden]... > > > > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won

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> > and > > > > then retire from the tour in the mountains. > > > > > > > > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one > > other > > > > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it > more > > > > interesting than it is this year. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:IG177.131$N%[email hidden]... > > > > (Bye virenque and pantani) and > > > > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun > > > anymore, > > > > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ben Coleman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Txl wrote in message ... > > > >Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the > >green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last5 > >times wants it back... > > > > Sure am home....I missed some coverage over the past few days but can'twait > to see how O'Grady finishes. It's been a while since an Aussie waswearing > a leader's jersey for any length of time! > > Ben >Talking of Aussie riders , I've just been watching a videotaped copy of the Olympic triathlon . Craig Walton is one powerful rider , he might have won the event if they'd had non-drafting rules for the bike leg . I heard on the BBC commentary that he's moving up to Ironman distance which should suit him better so long as his running is up to it. I look forward to seeing how he does at Hawaii in October . You Aussies certainly showed the world how to stage an Olympics last year . It made Atlanta look like a school sports day . I took two weeks off work to watch it and enjoyed every day , especially when Queally won the kilometre time trial in the cycling . Here's to reminiscing Andrew

Yes and with athens coming next and Beijing after that (what a fucking SHAME!!!) we'll have to live with the memories of sydney until 2012... > > You Aussies certainly showed the world how to stage an Olympics last year. > It made Atlanta look like a school sports day . I took two weeks off workto

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> watch it and enjoyed every day , especially when Queally won the kilometre > time trial in the cycling . > > Here's to reminiscing > > Andrew > > >

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message qF477.22286$[email hidden]... > For some reason his name just came to me. Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not > Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name. He's Cipollini

Yeah, but I could kick his ass..... -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that Lance > Armstrong fella...whoa! The pressure he put on everyone during the last > climb was amazing. > (did I mention he was Yank?) > dave henrie > > >

That's fighting talk for a man of your age Mark :-) MS mark jeangerard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jKC87.19404$[email hidden]...

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> Yeah, but I could kick his ass..... > > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SnD67.390159$[email hidden]... > > I haven't seen any of the Sunday riding yet, but on Saturday, that

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Well Technically Lance is underwieght since due to cancer he had to have something removed. Either way the guy does have the cojone to do the job none the less. Dave

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