Next version of Windows forces you to register software !!!

I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you to reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime you change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards, motherboards, processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards and test for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will no longer function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that future versions of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgrade every 2 years ???

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force youto > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou > change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards,motherboards, > processors) configuration . It's not necessarily every piece of hardware, but major changes. Microsoft has relaxed the requirements for re-registration. I've read of people changing motherboards, soundcards, video cards and not being 'forced' to re-activate. According to MS you need to make several changes to your system (independent sources say 4) before you're asked to re-activate. I'm running XP at the moment (RC2 shipped yesterday), but I hate the activation requirements. You heard about this today? This has been a huge issue for the last 2-3 months.

Imagine the HELL hardware testers and reviews will go thru with XP.. On principle I'll be avoiding XP and sticking with 2000 for as long as I possibly can. Doug "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force youto > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou > change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards,motherboards, > processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker > forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate > registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards andtest > for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new > hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of > having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my > computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite > some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to > the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will nolonger > function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & > Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there > was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that futureversions > of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgradeevery > 2 years ??? > >

Given that some 70% of all people still use win98 (including me) it'll be around for a long while. Only around 10% of people have upgraded to winME or Win2000, and I'm sure Win XP will have even less merit for this. Especially since it sucks around 20-30% more resources. And that'd mean a hardware upgrade again... Rafe Mc On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:45:17 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you to >reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime you >change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards, motherboards, >processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker >forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate >registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards and test >for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new >hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of >having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my >computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite >some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to >the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will no longer >function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & >Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there >was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that future versions >of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgrade every >2 years ??? >

Somewhere I read that Win98 will be supported by MS for about 2 or 3 more years...That doesn't mean it still won't work, but there will be no more updates, service paks or security fixes. I changed from an intel box to an athlon last spring. the Athlon motherboard died, so I swapped back the intel parts, and when the manufacturer gets finished shipping a new board back to me, I'll swap back to an athlon system, AND I will reverse my D & C drives...think that XP would tolerate all that ? dave henrie "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Given that some 70% of all people still use win98 (including me) it'll > be around for a long while. Only around 10% of people have upgraded to > winME or Win2000, and I'm sure Win XP will have even less merit for > this. Especially since it sucks around 20-30% more resources. And > that'd mean a hardware upgrade again... > > Rafe Mc > > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:45:17 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you

to > >reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou > >change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards,motherboards, > >processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker > >forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate > >registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards andtest > >for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new > >hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of > >having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my > >computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite > >some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to > >the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will nolonger > >function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & > >Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there > >was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that futureversions > >of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgradeevery > >2 years ??? > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GwT97.11590$[email hidden]... > Somewhere I read that Win98 will be supported by MS for about 2 or 3more

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> years...That doesn't mean it still won't work, but there will be no more > updates, service paks or security fixes. > I changed from an intel box to an athlon last spring. the Athlon > motherboard died, so I swapped back the intel parts, and when the > manufacturer gets finished shipping a new board back to me, I'll swap back > to an athlon system, AND I will reverse my D & C drives...think that XP > would tolerate all that ? > dave henrie

Nope - you'd have to re-register

In article <G5S97.8337$[email hidden]>, "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> writes: >You heard about this today? This has been a huge issue for the last 2-3 >months. Maybe he's been too busy playing driving games...?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What a ridiculous situation if they put this through. What moron in the ibicile dept. came up with that? Maybe I'll move to Linux for the next upgrade :P Rafe Mc On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:49:05 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:GwT97.11590$[email hidden]... >> Somewhere I read that Win98 will be supported by MS for about 2 or 3 >more >> years...That doesn't mean it still won't work, but there will be no more >> updates, service paks or security fixes. >> I changed from an intel box to an athlon last spring. the Athlon >> motherboard died, so I swapped back the intel parts, and when the >> manufacturer gets finished shipping a new board back to me, I'll swap back >> to an athlon system, AND I will reverse my D & C drives...think that XP >> would tolerate all that ? >> dave henrie > >Nope - you'd have to re-register > >

Maybe he's been playing GPL aswell! (GPL is a sim, not a game!! :) EldredP wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>In article <G5S97.8337$[email hidden]>, "Andrew S" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>You heard about this today? This has been a huge issue for the last 2-3 >>months. > >Maybe he's been too busy playing driving games...?<g> > >Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you to > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime you > change your hardware so there will be no XP on offline computers? how cool! -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > >> I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you to >> reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime you >> change your hardware > > so there will be no XP on offline computers? how cool!

Microsoft, in all its glorious might and wisdom, has graciously deigned to allow phone registration as well. Marc

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:55:28 -0400, "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's not necessarily every piece of hardware, but major changes. Microsoft >has relaxed the requirements for re-registration. I've read of people >changing motherboards, soundcards, video cards and not being 'forced' to >re-activate. According to MS you need to make several changes to your >system (independent sources say 4) before you're asked to re-activate. I'm >running XP at the moment (RC2 shipped yesterday), but I hate the activation >requirements.

Ok, but I also heard that you will only be able to re-register about six times and then they will tell you that you have to buy a new copy of XP. Any truth to that? Personally I am not buying XP anyway because of this ridiculous scheme and because it is just more bloatware and offers no real gain to me. So it comes with a firewall, big deal, I've already got a free firewall that is more feature rich then the one MS is including. Maybe it's more stable, but I can live with the occasional reboot on Win98se.

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What a ridiculous situation if they put this through. What moron in > the ibicile dept. came up with that? The idea is to stop illegal duplication of the software. How many of us are guilty of copying our current version of Windows onto more than 1 machine? I have two computers at home and really don't want to buy two copies of Windows XP.....but I do understand where Microsoft is coming from. On the other hand, this isn't the first time we've been required to register a Microsoft software product. On my Frontpage 2000 program, I have to register or else the program will stop working after a specific number of days. (30 days I think.) -Tim

If there is no Internet connection with the computer, you have to do it by phone I believe. -Tim "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will forceyou to > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou

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> > change your hardware > > so there will be no XP on offline computers? how cool! > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > silence is FOO!

Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows willforce you to > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, buteverytime you <snip> Here I come, Linux... Jonny

Agreed Mr Zee....er...Mr Zed. 98se for me until I HAVE to change over. Which I don't see for some time. No feature of XP stands out. SE can be made very stable if you pay attention to your windows updates and driver updates. dave henrie "Z (zed, not zee)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:55:28 -0400, "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >It's not necessarily every piece of hardware, but major changes.Microsoft > >has relaxed the requirements for re-registration. I've read of people > >changing motherboards, soundcards, video cards and not being 'forced' to > >re-activate. According to MS you need to make several changes to your > >system (independent sources say 4) before you're asked to re-activate.I'm > >running XP at the moment (RC2 shipped yesterday), but I hate theactivation

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> >requirements. > > Ok, but I also heard that you will only be able to re-register about > six times and then they will tell you that you have to buy a new copy > of XP. Any truth to that? Personally I am not buying XP anyway because > of this ridiculous scheme and because it is just more bloatware and > offers no real gain to me. So it comes with a firewall, big deal, I've > already got a free firewall that is more feature rich then the one MS > is including. Maybe it's more stable, but I can live with the > occasional reboot on Win98se.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:42:10 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On the other hand, this isn't the first time we've been required to register >a Microsoft software product. On my Frontpage 2000 program, I have to >register or else the program will stop working after a specific number of >days. (30 days I think.) > >-Tim >

So everytime you re-install you also have to re-register? OfficeXP is another MS product with the ridiculous activation code scheme. I just use Sun's Star Office instead (free).

I think it's a crazy idea too but maybe they'll lower prices once they stop losses from piracy. I read that there is a timer that will reset after a couple months, allowing more upgrades. It's still annoying but it'll prevent one copy being used on 400 PCs in a month. I guess the big assumption is that MS will lower prices ;) "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xCY97.19978$[email hidden]...

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> > Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will > force you to > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but > everytime you > <snip> > > Here I come, Linux... > > Jonny > >

I'm staying with win98 for absolutely as long as I can, it does great for what I do. Don Burnette "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Given that some 70% of all people still use win98 (including me) it'll > be around for a long while. Only around 10% of people have upgraded to > winME or Win2000, and I'm sure Win XP will have even less merit for > this. Especially since it sucks around 20-30% more resources. And > that'd mean a hardware upgrade again... > > Rafe Mc > > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:45:17 GMT, "Olly Greenfield" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you

to > >reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou > >change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards,motherboards, > >processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker > >forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate > >registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards andtest > >for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new > >hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of > >having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my > >computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite > >some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to > >the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will nolonger > >function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & > >Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there > >was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that futureversions > >of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgradeevery > >2 years ??? > > >

"Z (zed, not zee)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:42:10 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >On the other hand, this isn't the first time we've been required toregister

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> >a Microsoft software product. On my Frontpage 2000 program, I have to > >register or else the program will stop working after a specific number of > >days. (30 days I think.) > > > >-Tim > > > > So everytime you re-install you also have to re-register? OfficeXP is > another MS product with the ridiculous activation code scheme. I just > use Sun's Star Office instead (free).

If you're referrring to FP2000 then yep...everytime. I normally put bogus information in the registration fields but their was some sort of check in the FP2000 setup that prevented it. Can't remember exactly what it was though. -Tim

My assumption is that it is intended to make all WinXP versions legit and therefore make more money for M$. "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b6884b3$0$276$[email hidden]... > I think it's a crazy idea too but maybe they'll lower prices once theystop

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> losses from piracy. I read that there is a timer that will reset after a > couple months, allowing more upgrades. It's still annoying but it'll > prevent one copy being used on 400 PCs in a month. I guess the big > assumption is that MS will lower prices ;) > > > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xCY97.19978$[email hidden]... > > > > Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will > > force you to > > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but > > everytime you > > <snip> > > > > Here I come, Linux... > > > > Jonny > > > > > >

Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote on 01 Aug 2001: > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will > force you to reregister your Windows software not just the first > time, but everytime you change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, > harddrives, videocards, motherboards, processors) configuration .<snip> Ah, the joys of XP, eh? I've got a sneaking feeling that MS might have a problem with this one. Not sure where - possibly the (UK) Data Protection Act or something. The Pentium III row might be a storm in a teacup in comparison. The computer I'm now using has had 3 chips, 2 monitors, 3 soundcards, 2 graphic cards, 2 printers, 3 modems... I'm going to be on and off the net all the time if I get XP! >I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or > Me for quite some time. It's Win98SE all the way for me. By the time it's actually obsolete, we'll know what XP's successor is, and if it turns out to be halfway acceptable, I'll skip a generation. If not... well, Linux is (finally) getting vaguely user-friendly to install... >Are we soon going to find that future versions of > Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgrade > every 2 years ??? Very likely. MS is forever going on about renting rather than buying being the future of software. Hey, I just love the idea of using Office via my trusty 56K modem... -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

"Z (zed, not zee)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : : So everytime you re-install you also have to re-register? FWIW, if the XP (retail version) activation process is like it is in RC1/2 then it's one button click and a slight pause. Registration done. Dale.

That is one H-U-G-E assumption........and I'm not buying it. (Neither the assumption nor XP). Kirk House wrote:

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> I think it's a crazy idea too but maybe they'll lower prices once they stop > losses from piracy. I read that there is a timer that will reset after a > couple months, allowing more upgrades. It's still annoying but it'll > prevent one copy being used on 400 PCs in a month. I guess the big > assumption is that MS will lower prices ;) > > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xCY97.19978$[email hidden]... > > > > Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will > > force you to > > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but > > everytime you > > <snip> > > > > Here I come, Linux... > > > > Jonny > > > >

-- Bert

"Kirk House" <[email hidden]> writes: > I think it's a crazy idea too but maybe they'll lower prices once they stop > losses from piracy. Jay, rait. They charge as much as they can to maximize profits. If people can't use pirated versions, it will increase the demand and enable them to charge more for the product. -- -asbjxrn

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:13:24 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If you're referrring to FP2000 then yep...everytime. I normally put bogus >information in the registration fields but their was some sort of check in >the FP2000 setup that prevented it. Can't remember exactly what it was >though. > >-Tim > >

Have you looked for a crack for it?

Only competition or weakness of demand brings prices down, not a anti-piracy scheme. Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b6884b3$0$276$[email hidden]... > I think it's a crazy idea too but maybe they'll lower prices once theystop

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> losses from piracy. I read that there is a timer that will reset after a > couple months, allowing more upgrades. It's still annoying but it'll > prevent one copy being used on 400 PCs in a month. I guess the big > assumption is that MS will lower prices ;) > > > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xCY97.19978$[email hidden]... > > > > Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will > > force you to > > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but > > everytime you > > <snip> > > > > Here I come, Linux... > > > > Jonny > > > > > >

Hackers will crack the re-registeration code in a couple of months and it'll be the hottest warez ever. Eventually, everybody will be using cracked XP, even buyers of XP. Wrong move from Microsoft. Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force youto > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytimeyou > change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards,motherboards, > processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker > forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate > registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards andtest > for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new > hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of > having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my > computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite > some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to > the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will nolonger > function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & > Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there > was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that futureversions > of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgradeevery > 2 years ??? > >

I know what the purpose is, but it won't stop anything really. The people who use illegal copies will still do so, either win98 et al, or a cracked version of Win XP (which will probably be out withing 2 days of its full release). The people who pay for it (mostly business) will still pay, but with more hassles. But no one who uses an illegal copy will suddenly start paying IMO. Rafe Mc On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:42:10 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> What a ridiculous situation if they put this through. What moron in >> the ibicile dept. came up with that? > >The idea is to stop illegal duplication of the software. How many of us are >guilty of copying our current version of Windows onto more than 1 machine? >I have two computers at home and really don't want to buy two copies of >Windows XP.....but I do understand where Microsoft is coming from. > >On the other hand, this isn't the first time we've been required to register >a Microsoft software product. On my Frontpage 2000 program, I have to >register or else the program will stop working after a specific number of >days. (30 days I think.) > >-Tim >

I give it a day or 2 On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:32:46 GMT, "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hackers will crack the re-registeration code in a couple of months and it'll >be the hottest warez ever. Eventually, everybody will be using cracked XP, >even buyers of XP. Wrong move from Microsoft. > >Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... >> I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will force you >to >> reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime >you >> change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards, >motherboards, >> processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any software maker >> forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate >> registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards and >test >> for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and add new >> hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of >> having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my >> computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me for quite >> some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgrade to >> the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will no >longer >> function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & >> Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybe there >> was some small merit to it. Are we soon going to find that future >versions >> of Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgrade >every >> 2 years ??? >> >> >

Hey, True! I've had the same install of Win98SE over the course of three years go through two motherboards, two hard drives, two sound cards, four video cards, three network cards and three processors and it STILL will run for days without needing to be restarted. It's only just now showing signs of needing to be reinstalled and i'm one of those tech junkies that goes through drivers like crazy. -- In memory of DE, - Will - M1MS - http://mach1.simhq.com "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DiY97.12140$[email hidden]... > Agreed Mr Zee....er...Mr Zed. 98se for me until I HAVE to change over. > Which I don't see for some time. No feature of XP stands out. SE can be > made very stable if you pay attention to your windows updates and driver > updates. > dave henrie

Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > I know what the purpose is, but it won't stop anything really. The > people who use illegal copies will still do so, either win98 et al, or > a cracked version of Win XP (which will probably be out withing 2 days > of its full release). You can already get Windows XP RC1 w/crack on file sharing services as we speak. Personally, I wouldn't take it for FREE nevermind pay for it. -- Fester

From what I've heard unofficially, there will be 'non-registering' versions of XP licensed to large corporate accounts, so they can deploy across 100's or 1000's of PCs without having to register each one. My guess is that reviewers at some place like PC Mag will probably get a similar version. My second guess is that one of these will somehow slip out of a company and end up on the warez sites. Why bother to crack it if you can get one that dosen't need cracking? ...Klinn "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CgS97.18344$[email hidden]...

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> Imagine the HELL hardware testers and reviews will go thru with XP.. > > On principle I'll be avoiding XP and sticking with 2000 for as long as I > possibly can. > > Doug >

Same here. On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:47:54 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Rafe McAuliffe wrote: >> >> I know what the purpose is, but it won't stop anything really. The >> people who use illegal copies will still do so, either win98 et al, or >> a cracked version of Win XP (which will probably be out withing 2 days >> of its full release). > > > >You can already get Windows XP RC1 w/crack on file sharing services as >we speak. Personally, I wouldn't take it for FREE nevermind pay for it.

All MS has to do is revoke support for it and software developers will stop using it as well. Tim. [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> Given that some 70% of all people still use win98 (including me) it'll > be around for a long while. Only around 10% of people have upgraded to > winME or Win2000, and I'm sure Win XP will have even less merit for > this. Especially since it sucks around 20-30% more resources. And > that'd mean a hardware upgrade again... > > Rafe Mc

In article <[email hidden]>, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> writes: >My assumption is that it is intended to make all WinXP versions legit and >therefore make more money for M$. So, how much do they make by doing that as opposed to the money they LOSE because people don't buy it? They better be right about this one... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Are we soon going to find that future versions of >> Windows will have finite expiration dates, requiring us to upgrade >> every 2 years ??? > >Very likely. MS is forever going on about renting rather than buying >being the future of software. Hey, I just love the idea of using Office >via my trusty 56K modem...

That goes against the conventional wisdom ot "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of upgrades. I'm running 98se now. As long as it meets my needs, there's no REASON to upgrade(and deal with the hassles of said upgrade). Sounds like MS won't give you that CHOICE... :( "Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves..." Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Nope...why would I? "01001110 01101111 01110010" <?@noemail.invalid> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:13:24 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >If you're referrring to FP2000 then yep...everytime. I normally putbogus > >information in the registration fields but their was some sort of checkin

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> >the FP2000 setup that prevented it. Can't remember exactly what it was > >though. > > > >-Tim > > > > > > Have you looked for a crack for it?

On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:05:47 GMT, Tim Vannaman <[email hidden]> wrote: > >All MS has to do is revoke support for it and software >developers will stop using it as well. If only we could say stop and just move to Linux or whatever Unix (even MacOSX perhaps?) we'd be done with this overly complex, going-nowhere operating system. Really, Windows is layer upon layer of bad design, so it's going nowhere. And it wants to be your system administrator, and a bad one at that. I'm not too fond of it. :) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > If there is no Internet connection with the computer, you have to do it by > phone I believe. > If you're all interested in current information regarding XP and the activation process, check out these articles - I hope they help. http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2773114,00.html http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6536843.html?tag=mn_hd http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/newsroom/piracy/productactivationfaq.asp#details

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> From what I've heard unofficially, there will be 'non-registering' > versions of XP licensed to large corporate accounts, so they can deploy > across 100's or 1000's of PCs without having to register each one. My > guess is that reviewers at some place like PC Mag will probably get a > similar version. My second guess is that one of these will somehow slip > out of a company and end up on the warez sites. Why bother to crack it > if you can get one that dosen't need cracking? > > ...Klinn > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CgS97.18344$[email hidden]... >> Imagine the HELL hardware testers and reviews will go thru with XP.. >> >> On principle I'll be avoiding XP and sticking with 2000 for as long as >> I possibly can. >> >> Doug >> > > > >

Already happened, is what I've heard -- seems MS is building evermore sophisticated and expensive stick to beat themselves up with ;) -- "Hamsters - more fun for less money" Per Thulin Spamblock in operation - remove the obvious to reply by mail.

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> I know what the purpose is, but it won't stop anything really. The > people who use illegal copies will still do so, either win98 et al, or > a cracked version of Win XP (which will probably be out withing 2 days > of its full release). > > The people who pay for it (mostly business) will still pay, but with > more hassles. But no one who uses an illegal copy will suddenly start > paying IMO. > > Rafe Mc >

Here are a couple recent articles, which discuss WPA. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093939,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_rt_latest Windows XP Activation Changes We spoke with Microsoft about how it is addressing user concerns over XP's inflexibility toward hardware upgrades. Microsoft has revealed that it plans to change its antipiracy measures in Windows XP to respond to the beta testers' concerns of that XP's product activation system wasn't tolerant enough of typical system upgrades. Windows product activation (WPA) is a method of tying the serial number to a specific system's hardware. Windows XP prompts the user to "activate" Windows in the first month of installation, and once the serial code is used for one configuration it cannot be used to activate Windows XP on a different hardware configuration. However, savvy users have been concerned that incremental hardware upgrades would be enough to cause WPA to lock Windows from use. Microsoft has indicated that the final version of Windows XP, set for release in late October, will modify the activation procedure to allow for a certain number of hardware changes within an unstated amount of time. A German company recently revealed how WPA generates its hardware fingerprint from 10 hardware components, including the model identification codes for the processor and graphics card, as well as the hard drive's serial number and network card's MAC address. GameSpot spoke with Allen Nieman, technical product manager for Windows XP, to get more information on how product activation will work. GameSpot: Tell us a bit about the changes to Windows product activation. What now triggers the prompt for reactivation? Allen Nieman: What triggers the prompt for reactivation hasn't changed. What has changed is that we have addressed feedback from power users participating in the beta that the need to reactivate by telephoning can be a hassle. Therefore we have made changes in the way those reactivation requests are handled to allow it to be done over the Internet based on the amount of time that has passed since the last time that product key was used to activate Windows XP. As we've always said, we are trying to strike a balance between our desire to reduce piracy and our desire to ensure a positive customer experience with Windows XP. As far as what changes will prompt for a reactivation, we plan to provide the user community with more information on this in the next couple of days. GS: You mention that the changes have to do with the amount of time since the key was last used, presumably for either the initial activation or one due to hardware changes. How long are we talking about? AN: The amount of time is based on initial activation. If you make changes to your PC--changes that would normally prompt a need to reactiviate--120 days from the time you initially activate the product, it will automatically do it online for you. GS: What's the process for reactivation if the upgrades do exceed the new limits? AN: As before, the user still has the opportunity to contact Microsoft via telephone to obtain another confirmation ID. GS: Does the activation system need access to the Internet after the initial activation to confirm hardware changes with Microsoft? AN: No, there is no ongoing access to Microsoft or "phone home." The only time a user may have to reactivate is when a substantial hardware change occurs such that the PC appears to Windows to be a completely different PC. This is to protect against hard disk cloning piracy. GS: Thanks, Allen. By Sam Parker, GameSpot PC [UPDATED: 07/20/01]

On 2 Aug 2001 15:00:14 -0700, [email hidden] (Sandra) wrote: >If you're all interested in current information regarding XP and the >activation process, check out these articles - I hope they help. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2773114,00.html >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6536843.html?tag=mn_hd >http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/newsroom/piracy/productactivationfaq.asp#details "A German copy-protection company has published details of Microsoft's technology for preventing casual copying of Windows XP but concluded the technology allows for *reasonable upgrades* and doesn't threaten customers' privacy." What constitutes a reasonable upgrade? Reasonable to me is changing anything and everything without having to re-register.

In article <[email hidden]>, Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> writes >What a ridiculous situation if they put this through. What moron in >the ibicile dept. came up with that? > >Maybe I'll move to Linux for the next upgrade :P > >Rafe Mc Indeed, I think this is going to alienate more people away from buying an XP machine than it is going to save M$ money in pirated software - which is the supposed reason behind this implementation. Now is the time for Linux to strike!! :)

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> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:49:05 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:GwT97.11590$[email hidden]... >>> Somewhere I read that Win98 will be supported by MS for about 2 or 3 >>more >>> years...That doesn't mean it still won't work, but there will be no more >>> updates, service paks or security fixes. >>> I changed from an intel box to an athlon last spring. the Athlon >>> motherboard died, so I swapped back the intel parts, and when the >>> manufacturer gets finished shipping a new board back to me, I'll swap >back >>> to an athlon system, AND I will reverse my D & C drives...think that XP >>> would tolerate all that ? >>> dave henrie >> >>Nope - you'd have to re-register >> >> >

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>In article <[email hidden]>, "Tim Miser" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>My assumption is that it is intended to make all WinXP versions legit and >>therefore make more money for M$. > >So, how much do they make by doing that as opposed to the money they >LOSE >because people don't buy it? They better be right about this one... >

Yeah, and how many bods are they going to have to keep employed at the end of phone lines to prevent the whole activation process from grinding to a hault? More expense for them. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

>Now is the > time for Linux to strike!! :) If only there were decent racing sims running under linux, I would consider installing it. Software drives one's choice of operating system. If Apple had more decent games, especially racing sims, then I would buy an apple. "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Rafe > McAuliffe <[email hidden]> writes > >What a ridiculous situation if they put this through. What moron in > >the ibicile dept. came up with that? > > > >Maybe I'll move to Linux for the next upgrade :P > > > >Rafe Mc > > Indeed, I think this is going to alienate more people away from buying > an XP machine than it is going to save M$ money in pirated software - > which is the supposed reason behind this implementation. Now is the > time for Linux to strike!! :) > > > > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:49:05 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >> > >>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >>news:GwT97.11590$[email hidden]... > >>> Somewhere I read that Win98 will be supported by MS for about 2 or 3 > >>more > >>> years...That doesn't mean it still won't work, but there will be no

more > >>> updates, service paks or security fixes. > >>> I changed from an intel box to an athlon last spring. the Athlon > >>> motherboard died, so I swapped back the intel parts, and when the > >>> manufacturer gets finished shipping a new board back to me, I'll swap > >back > >>> to an athlon system, AND I will reverse my D & C drives...think thatXP

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> >>> would tolerate all that ? > >>> dave henrie > >> > >>Nope - you'd have to re-register > >> > >> > > > > -- > Peter Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77 >

*Ahem* Racer *Ahem* ;) -Gregor Olly Greenfield wrote: > > If only there were decent racing sims running under linux, I would consider > installing it. >

> Hackers will crack the re-registeration code in a couple of months andit'll > be the hottest warez ever. Eventually, everybody will be using cracked XP, > even buyers of XP. Wrong move from Microsoft. > But consider how hard the Government is going after that Russian guy who cracked Adobe's code for some trivial piece of software, and he was not even breaking any laws by doing it in Russia. Now try guessing how hard the government will work to track down somebody violating Microsofts Windows XP code. The government would have no problem investing numerous FBI agents and millions of dollars tracking down these hackers, and putting a few of them in jail with 20 year sentences , just to serve as examples to the rest of us. Big business and the wealthy is all that the Bush administration cares about, and they will spend as much of our tax dollars as necessary to ensure that big business gets whatever they want. "Ali Ismet Ozkan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iu6a7.13871$[email hidden]... > Hackers will crack the re-registeration code in a couple of months andit'll > be the hottest warez ever. Eventually, everybody will be using cracked XP, > even buyers of XP. Wrong move from Microsoft. > > Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hZR97.12597$[email hidden]... > > I heard today on ZDTV that the upcoming version of windows will forceyou > to > > reregister your Windows software not just the first time, but everytime > you > > change your hardware (i.e. soundcards, harddrives, videocards, > motherboards, > > processors) configuration . I do not like the idea of any softwaremaker > > forcing me to register software to begin with, but I can tolerate > > registering it one time. However, I sometimes change out videocards and > test > > for faulty cards of various sorts over the course of the year and addnew > > hardware, and I really do not think I should have the inconvenience of > > having to reregister Windows every time I add or test something on my > > computer. I think that I will be sticking with Windows 98 or Me forquite > > some time. Although, I suspect that if too many gamers fail to upgradeto > > the new Windows we will find that future versions of Direct X will no > longer > > function under windows 98 or Me. I used to think all of the Bill Gates & > > Microsoft bashing was stupid , but I am starting to wonder if maybethere

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Oh, that guy didn't remain incognito. It was his own mistake. Look, Code Red has already given a damage of 2bn$ and no one has a clue who did it, because it was a deliberate attack. The tracking business is not that easy at all. The culprits are quite intelligent unlike usual classical criminals due to the platform of the crime and know the system better than those who supervise it. There are of course many smart AND honest (I'd say normal, but whatever...) guys around, but do you really think they would work for the government with that much of capability and knowledge ? ;) Olly Greenfield <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LDta7.1041$[email hidden]... > But consider how hard the Government is going after that Russian guy who > cracked Adobe's code for some trivial piece of software, and he was noteven > breaking any laws by doing it in Russia.

Yes & this is our US Tax Dollar at work... Unbelievable!! Anyone need a $2000 toilet seat? I know where plenty are just sitting!! :) "Olly Greenfield" wrote: | But consider how hard the Government is going after that Russian guy who | cracked Adobe's code for some trivial piece of software, and he was noteven | breaking any laws by doing it in Russia. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001

On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:37:52 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >*Ahem* Racer *Ahem* *coughs some more* and it's free too. :)

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>;) > >-Gregor > >Olly Greenfield wrote: >> >> If only there were decent racing sims running under linux, I would consider >> installing it.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes:

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>*Ahem* Racer *Ahem* > >;) > >-Gregor > >Olly Greenfield wrote: >> >> If only there were decent racing sims running under linux, I would consider >> installing it. >>

You ok, Gregor? Sounds like you're choking on something... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP ><[email hidden]> writes >>In article <[email hidden]>, "Tim Miser" >><[email hidden]> writes: >> >>>My assumption is that it is intended to make all WinXP versions legit and >>>therefore make more money for M$. >> >>So, how much do they make by doing that as opposed to the money they >>LOSE >>because people don't buy it? They better be right about this one... >> > >Yeah, and how many bods are they going to have to keep employed at the >end of phone lines to prevent the whole activation process from grinding >to a hault? More expense for them. >--

Whoops, I hadn't even THOUGHT about the tech support aspect. You're right - that's more expense, hassle, and opportunity to alienate customers... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sounds like a new currency to me... Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wjva7.64941$[email hidden]... > US Tax Dollar

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> > >Now is the > > time for Linux to strike!! :) > > If only there were decent racing sims running under linux, I would consider > installing it. Software drives one's choice of operating system. If Apple > had more decent games, especially racing sims, then I would buy an apple.

Racer, Tux Racer, even GLTron. ;-P Agreed though, there are plenty of Arcade, RolePlaying and First Person Shooters in Linux but a kind of shortage in the Racing Sim dept. So that's why for now you just set up a dual-boot system. It's just a matter of time before Wine (http://www.winehq.com/about.shtml) will be able to run things like GPL & N4 in a Linux environment! Not to mention that more developers are taking a look at the 'Nix world. -- Fester Win98SE/Slackware 8/FreeBSD4.3

lol... yup, maybe?? "Ali Ismet Ozkan" wrote: | Sounds like a new currency to me... | | | Thom j. wrote: | > US Tax Dollar --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001

Old hat, been gone over and over before. Alanb "Sandra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > > If there is no Internet connection with the computer, you have to do itby

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> > phone I believe. > > > > If you're all interested in current information regarding XP and the > activation process, check out these articles - I hope they help. > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2773114,00.html > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6536843.html?tag=mn_hd >

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