frame rate problem in GPL

I have this weird problem with frame rate. When I�m playing offline all by myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players. With AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the details in mirrors but offline I can�t get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m not using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same than in Vroc. So can someone help me? Abi KT7 Duron 800 256 Mt Geforce 256 Sdr SB AWE 64 LWFF CH Pro Pedals Telewell TW-5614 modem

That would sound like your cpu reaching it's maximum. Online removes the AI calculations from the mix and frees up the cpu for improving frame-rate. So when you are offline, the the cpu has to work harder to keep all the AI info correct. You might want to move the graphic detail more to the left to lessen the strain on your system. Good luck dave henrie btw...N4 Online runs much faster than offline as well. "Matti Hirvonen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x0F97.367$[email hidden]... > I have this weird problem with frame rate. When I�m playing offline all by > myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players.With > AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the detailsin > mirrors but offline I can�t get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic > lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at > Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m not > using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same thanin

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> Vroc. So can someone help me? > > Abi KT7 > Duron 800 > 256 Mt > Geforce 256 Sdr > SB AWE 64 > LWFF > CH Pro Pedals > Telewell TW-5614 modem > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:daI97.10101$[email hidden]... > That would sound like your cpu reaching it's maximum. Online removesthe > AI calculations from the mix and frees up the cpu for improvingframe-rate.

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> So when you are offline, the the cpu has to work harder to keep all the AI > info correct. You might want to move the graphic detail more to the left > to lessen the strain on your system. > Good luck > dave henrie > btw...N4 Online runs much faster than offline as well. >

I understand this with AI but when playing alone framerate is still worse than in Vroc. So are you saying CPU has to work with AI even there is no AI cars on track? I wonder how it`s possible that Duron 800 Mhz reach it�s maximum with game which is almost three years old?

It is a possibility. Think for a moment, go back the 3 years to when GPL was released....can you remember ANY system that could run GPL with full detail and full fields... But now seeing your single player vs vroc framerates, that does sound a bit odd. Remove the ai from your testing and you shouldn't be burdening the cpu. I would suggest testing to see how far you have to move the details slider, I think that item has the greatest effect on GPL framerate. As a last resort...are you using the opengl 3d graphics or the D3D? I would suggest, based on other users input here, that the D3D 'should' outperform opengl on your system. Give both a try and see if that makes a difference Good Luck. dave(gotta read those posts more thoroughly)henrie "Matti Hirvonen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TES97.141$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > news:daI97.10101$[email hidden]... > > That would sound like your cpu reaching it's maximum. Online removes > the > > AI calculations from the mix and frees up the cpu for improving > frame-rate. > > So when you are offline, the the cpu has to work harder to keep all the

AI > > info correct. You might want to move the graphic detail more to theleft

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> > to lessen the strain on your system. > > Good luck > > dave henrie > > btw...N4 Online runs much faster than offline as well. > > > > I understand this with AI but when playing alone framerate is still worse > than in Vroc. So are you saying CPU has to work with AI even there is no

AI > cars on track? I wonder how it`s possible that Duron 800 Mhz reach it�s > maximum with game which is almost three years old? > > >

You have an antique system (spec wise) and if you are running GPL with upgraded tracks and/or cars and tires and cockpits....your system isn't good enough to get much better performance than you report. GPL is a CPU intensive sim.......and a Duron 800 is weak by today's CPU standards. Added to the problem is you are using a sound card that requires CPU cycles to operate (as opposed to an SB Live which essentially uses "zero" CPU resources). Tom

In article <x0F97.367$[email hidden]>, Matti Hirvonen <[email hidden]> writes

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>I have this weird problem with frame rate. When I�m playing offline all by >myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players. With >AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the details in >mirrors but offline I can�t get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic >lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at >Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m >not >using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same than in >Vroc. So can someone help me? > >Abi KT7 >Duron 800 >256 Mt >Geforce 256 Sdr >SB AWE 64 >LWFF >CH Pro Pedals >Telewell TW-5614 modem > >

What kind of modem is that? Is it just a 56k internal one? If so, then perhaps it's a software modem stealing some cpu cycles. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

Tom, I disagree that it is too weak to run GPL properly. Agreed, the s/c will slow things down a bit, but a Duron 800 and gf 256 should easily be able to get 36 fps. I had a k6-2 300 and voodoo banshee which had no problem getting 36 fps at 800x600, and his system is easily 4xfaster. Are you using d3d or openGL? d3d is usually faster I believe. Set mirror refresh lower (although you had them turned off didn't you? You didn't say what res you're using, but you should be able to run 800x600 at least, and prob 1024x768 as well. Make sure you don't have the detail slider too far to the right, keep it in the middle at best. And check the drivers, dx8, etc. Rafe Mc On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:39:21 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You have an antique system (spec wise) and if you are running GPL with >upgraded tracks and/or cars and tires and cockpits....your system isn't good >enough to get much better performance than you report. GPL is a CPU >intensive sim.......and a Duron 800 is weak by today's CPU standards. Added >to the problem is you are using a sound card that requires CPU cycles to >operate (as opposed to an SB Live which essentially uses "zero" CPU >resources). > >Tom >

Hey, Ditto, i disagree as well. I had a K6-2 400 with an OLD 4mb Rendition V2100 board that would hit 36fps. There's something else wrong in the system. GPL is indeed a CPU intensive sim, but it certainly shouldn't overpower an 800MHz processor. -- In memory of DE, - Will - M1MS - http://mach1.simhq.com "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tom, I disagree that it is too weak to run GPL properly. Agreed, the > s/c will slow things down a bit, but a Duron 800 and gf 256 should > easily be able to get 36 fps. > > I had a k6-2 300 and voodoo banshee which had no problem getting 36 > fps at 800x600, and his system is easily 4xfaster. > > Are you using d3d or openGL? d3d is usually faster I believe. Set > mirror refresh lower (although you had them turned off didn't you? > > You didn't say what res you're using, but you should be able to run > 800x600 at least, and prob 1024x768 as well. > > Make sure you don't have the detail slider too far to the right, keep > it in the middle at best. And check the drivers, dx8, etc. > > Rafe Mc > > > On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:39:21 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >You have an antique system (spec wise) and if you are running GPL with > >upgraded tracks and/or cars and tires and cockpits....your system isn't good > >enough to get much better performance than you report. GPL is a CPU > >intensive sim.......and a Duron 800 is weak by today's CPU standards. Added > >to the problem is you are using a sound card that requires CPU cycles to > >operate (as opposed to an SB Live which essentially uses "zero" CPU > >resources). > > > >Tom > > >

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>In article <x0F97.367$[email hidden]>, Matti Hirvonen ><[email hidden]> writes >>I have this weird problem with frame rate. When I�m playing offline all by >>myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players. With >>AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the details in >>mirrors but offline I can�t get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic >>lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at >>Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m >>not >>using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same than in >>Vroc. So can someone help me? >> >>Abi KT7 >>Duron 800 >>256 Mt >>Geforce 256 Sdr >>SB AWE 64 >>LWFF >>CH Pro Pedals >>Telewell TW-5614 modem >> >> >What kind of modem is that? Is it just a 56k internal one? If so, >then perhaps it's a software modem stealing some cpu cycles.

Oops, looks like a read your post backwards. :) Anyway, I currently have a very similar setup as yourself in terms of hardware: Abit Kt7a Duron 800 SB AWE 64 Voodoo3 2000 128Mb PC 100 Ram Thrustmaster USB steering wheel & pedals With this system I am easily capable of running GPL at 800x600 with a full field and detail bias set to about 2/3rds, everything turned on except drivers arms and can start from the back with 36fps, even with my lowly V3 2000. So its not a performance problem. I do still use the Glide Mirror hack from Mr Smiley I believe. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77