Hi,
I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3 lower
frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same items are
running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB of RAM
and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboard AGP
setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID and GeForce2
GTS 32MB).
I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programs one
at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4 itself!!)...but
if any of you have any ideas...
Thanks,
Marc
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Interesting....it is not an application causing the problem, but the process
of the Win98SE power saving on the monitor (I presume; I can't imagine the
hard disk has anything to do with this since it is reawakened and working
fine when the problem occurs).
Perhaps the v-synch or something like that is being messed up when the
monitor is shut off or turned back on by Windows? I don't use a screen
saver, so this is the only process that affects the video. Has anyone else
heard of this problem, perhaps with another game?
It makes no difference what I run (either 20 things or nothing), the game
runs at full frames so long as I don't leave the machine inactive and let
the monitor go to sleep. Whether I run 20 apps or nothing, after the
monitor has been shut off by the inactivity timer, my frame rates are
slashed by a third.
Hmmmmmm.
Marc
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3lower
> frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same items are
> running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB ofRAM
> and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboardAGP
> setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID andGeForce2
> GTS 32MB).
>
> I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programsone
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> Marc Collins
> [email hidden]
>
> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> to take effect. Reboot now?
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>
>
>
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> at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4 itself!!)...but > if any of you have any ideas... > > Thanks, > > Marc > > -- > actually you might be suprised to learn there are a whole bunch of other
programs running besides the ones you see when you press ctrl-alt-del, or
even when using Enditall. There is a program...which I have forgotten the
name of....that shows you all the files active....dang...anyone? Something
like SystemProperties 2000 but that isn't it...(close maybe)
You probably have some background task that is eating up your free memory
and that is why you get better fps when you reboot. The bad news...tracking
down the offending program might not be easy, and it might be time
intensive, and...it might make your system unstable.. :)
the good news?? N4 runs quicker when you reboot.................
dave henrie
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3lower
> frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same items are
> running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB ofRAM
> and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboardAGP
> setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID andGeForce2
> GTS 32MB).
>
> I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programsone
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> Marc Collins
> [email hidden]
>
> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> to take effect. Reboot now?
>****************************************************************************
>
>
>
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> at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4 itself!!)...but > if any of you have any ideas... > > Thanks, > > Marc > > -- >See my reply to my own message, 1 minute before you replied!
Marc.
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> actually you might be suprised to learn there are a whole bunch of other
> programs running besides the ones you see when you press ctrl-alt-del, or
> even when using Enditall. There is a program...which I have forgottenthe
> name of....that shows you all the files active....dang...anyone?Something
> like SystemProperties 2000 but that isn't it...(close maybe)
> You probably have some background task that is eating up your freememory
> and that is why you get better fps when you reboot. The badnews...tracking
are
itself!!)...but
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> >
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> down the offending program might not be easy, and it might be time > intensive, and...it might make your system unstable.. :) > the good news?? N4 runs quicker when you reboot................. > dave henrie > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M4ia7.55332$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3 > lower > > frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same itemsQuoted text (11 lines)
> > running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB of > RAM > > and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboard > AGP > > setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID and > GeForce2 > > GTS 32MB). > > > > I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programs > one > > at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4Quoted text (9 lines)
> > if any of you have any ideas... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marc > > > > -- > > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> > Marc Collins > > [email hidden] > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > >Hi Marc!
Hey, I think I have a similar experience with N4. I've noticed at times
that I get a "stutter" in the corners - and usually, this is after my
machine has been up for a while. On a fresh boot, it is NOT there, ever.
I also am not running a screensaver, but the screen is set to power down
after 15 min.
Could be it! I'll try shutting that off and see if there's a diff.
BTW, are you running in any leagues with N4?
There's a small group of us running Friday nights at 9:00 pm eastern with
fixed setups. Let me know if you might be interested in running with some
other Canuks.
Willard VanderPloeg
Owen Sound, Ontario Canada
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Interesting....it is not an application causing the problem, but theprocess
else
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itself!!)...but
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> of the Win98SE power saving on the monitor (I presume; I can't imagine the > hard disk has anything to do with this since it is reawakened and working > fine when the problem occurs). > > Perhaps the v-synch or something like that is being messed up when the > monitor is shut off or turned back on by Windows? I don't use a screen > saver, so this is the only process that affects the video. Has anyoneQuoted text (20 lines)
> heard of this problem, perhaps with another game? > > It makes no difference what I run (either 20 things or nothing), the game > runs at full frames so long as I don't leave the machine inactive and let > the monitor go to sleep. Whether I run 20 apps or nothing, after the > monitor has been shut off by the inactivity timer, my frame rates are > slashed by a third. > > Hmmmmmm. > > Marc > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M4ia7.55332$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3 > lower > > frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same itemsQuoted text (11 lines)
> > running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB of > RAM > > and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboard > AGP > > setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID and > GeForce2 > > GTS 32MB). > > > > I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programs > one > > at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4Quoted text (9 lines)
> > if any of you have any ideas... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marc > > > > -- > > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> > Marc Collins > > [email hidden] > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > >
Dave Henrie wrote:
>
> actually you might be suprised to learn there are a whole bunch of other
> programs running besides the ones you see when you press ctrl-alt-del, or
> even when using Enditall. There is a program...which I have forgotten the
> name of....that shows you all the files active....dang...anyone? Something
> like SystemProperties 2000 but that isn't it...(close maybe)
You mean what I use instead of Enditall? Can help you track any rogue
spyware or recently installed trojans as well. ;-) ProcessViewer 2000,
or PV2K for short. http://www.blehq.org
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Marc Collins wrote:
This is why I have all my components set to shut down only after 2 hours
of inactivity. Problem solved. <g>
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> > Interesting....it is not an application causing the problem, but the process > of the Win98SE power saving on the monitor (I presume; I can't imagine the > hard disk has anything to do with this since it is reawakened and working > fine when the problem occurs). > > Perhaps the v-synch or something like that is being messed up when the > monitor is shut off or turned back on by Windows? I don't use a screen > saver, so this is the only process that affects the video. Has anyone else > heard of this problem, perhaps with another game? That's it thanks Uncle.
dh
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> You mean what I use instead of Enditall? Can help you track any rogue > spyware or recently installed trojans as well. ;-) ProcessViewer 2000, > or PV2K for short. http://www.blehq.org > > -- > > FesterYour computer is never on unattended for more than 2 hours? Mine sure is.
It doesn't solve the problem, though it may address the symptoms for you.
Marc.
"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Marc Collins wrote:
> >
> > Interesting....it is not an application causing the problem, but theprocess
> > of the Win98SE power saving on the monitor (I presume; I can't imaginethe
> > hard disk has anything to do with this since it is reawakened andworking
> > fine when the problem occurs).
> >
> > Perhaps the v-synch or something like that is being messed up when the
> > monitor is shut off or turned back on by Windows? I don't use a screen
> > saver, so this is the only process that affects the video. Has anyoneelse
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> > heard of this problem, perhaps with another game? > > > This is why I have all my components set to shut down only after 2 hours > of inactivity. Problem solved. <g> > > -- > > FesterIt could be related, but yours sounds more like a disk swapping issue. I
can replicate the frame rate difference precisely buy going into a test
session with static weather. Logically, it must be related to video card,
video drivers, BIOS settings for video or monitor shut down...nothing else
is changing or would affect frame rates that significantly that I know of
(unless the CPU is running in sleep mode!!).
I would love to join a league, especially a local one, since online pick-up
races are pretty much a write-off, but alas my schedule doesn't permit it.
I barely have time to practise offline these days. But thanks for asking.
Marc.
"Willard VanderPloeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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the
> > hard disk has anything to do with this since it is reawakened andworking
game
> > runs at full frames so long as I don't leave the machine inactive andlet
of
> > RAM
> > > and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. Themotherboard
> > AGP
> > > setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID and
> > GeForce2
> > > GTS 32MB).
> > >
> > > I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run variousprograms
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> Hi Marc! > > Hey, I think I have a similar experience with N4. I've noticed at times > that I get a "stutter" in the corners - and usually, this is after my > machine has been up for a while. On a fresh boot, it is NOT there, ever. > > I also am not running a screensaver, but the screen is set to power down > after 15 min. > > Could be it! I'll try shutting that off and see if there's a diff. > > BTW, are you running in any leagues with N4? > > There's a small group of us running Friday nights at 9:00 pm eastern with > fixed setups. Let me know if you might be interested in running with some > other Canuks. > > Willard VanderPloeg > Owen Sound, Ontario Canada > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Cgpa7.52762$[email hidden]... > > Interesting....it is not an application causing the problem, but the > process > > of the Win98SE power saving on the monitor (I presume; I can't imagineQuoted text (9 lines)
> > fine when the problem occurs). > > > > Perhaps the v-synch or something like that is being messed up when the > > monitor is shut off or turned back on by Windows? I don't use a screen > > saver, so this is the only process that affects the video. Has anyone > else > > heard of this problem, perhaps with another game? > > > > It makes no difference what I run (either 20 things or nothing), theQuoted text (18 lines)
> > the monitor go to sleep. Whether I run 20 apps or nothing, after the > > monitor has been shut off by the inactivity timer, my frame rates are > > slashed by a third. > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > Marc > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:M4ia7.55332$[email hidden]... > > > Hi, > > > > > > I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3 > > lower > > > frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same items > are > > > running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MBQuoted text (13 lines)
> > one > > > at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4 > itself!!)...but > > > if any of you have any ideas... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > -- > > > > > >Quoted text (8 lines)
> > > Marc Collins > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > > > > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Marc Collins wrote:
>
> Your computer is never on unattended for more than 2 hours? Mine sure is.
> It doesn't solve the problem, though it may address the symptoms for you.
Occasionally it is. Unless I'm d/ling something, if I'm gonna be away
for such an extended period, it gets switched off. But you are right,
it sure takes care of the undesired symptoms for me!
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Fester
Dave Henrie wrote:
>
> That's it thanks Uncle.
> dh
Cool. Thought that was it. :-)
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Fester
In my experience with frame rates, anything can affect them. I think it
might be the way fps are calculated by various games that makes it this way.
A drop in room temperature could trigger a drop of 5 fps, given the right
circumstances.
Alanb
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I noticed that if I do not reboot Windows before running N4, I get 1/3lower
> frame rates (measured repeatedly in controlled tests). The same items are
> running in the background at reboot and later. The system has 384 MB ofRAM
> and tons of disk space, so it is not a swapping issue. The motherboardAGP
> setting has no effect on frame rates whatsoever (Abit KT7a RAID andGeForce2
> GTS 32MB).
>
> I suppose I will have to spend more time trying to run various programsone
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> Marc Collins
> [email hidden]
>
> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> to take effect. Reboot now?
>****************************************************************************
>
>
>
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> at a time to see which one is affecting N4 (or if it is N4 itself!!)...but > if any of you have any ideas... > > Thanks, > > Marc > > -- >Marc, sounds like it is linked to the v-sync refresh rate of your
monitor. Check whether "v-sync" is enabled for d3d and OpenGL in the
video properties.
If it is enabled, then your frame rate will be limited to your
monitor's refresh rate. If your monitor's refresh rate is set at 60Hz
and v-sync is enabled, you'll be limited to 60fps. If v-sync is
disabled, then your frame rate is free to go to whatever it can.
It sounds like you've got say 75hz monitor refresh rate, then it drops
to 60hz after power saving kicks in. Which would chop the frame rate a
bit.
Also, if you're vid card can't do the full 60 fps, it may drop to half
that, only 30 fps. So definitely uncheck the v-sync option.
Rafe Mc
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:03:57 -0400, "Marc Collins"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
