Hi!
I recently updated from Voodoo 3 to GeForce 2 MX, but I have had a few
problems with GPL. With the D3D patch the game would freeze after 0-10 minutes
of driving. The computer will freeze completely and I would have to reset it.
Then I tried the OpenGL patch and I haven't had that freezing problem anymore
but there is this "menu screens are half way down the screen" problem that
seems to be quite common problem with the OpenGL patch as I found out by
looking at the news archives. But I couldn't find any solution to this
problem, is there any way to fix this?
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i hope this is an isolated case, as i was considering upg from voodoo 3 3500
tv to a geforce 2 mx... i think what you describe is a driver problem,
though.
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:31:42 +0100, Nick G wrote:
>http://www.papy.com/downloads/gpl_d3d.exe
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>try this
Well, that is the D3D patch that gives me the freezes...
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>try this
Well, that is the D3D patch that gives me the freezes...
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Did you completely un-install the Voodoo drivers? I would concentrate on
getting D3D stable, there isn't a fix for the OpenGL menus yet that i've
heard of.
btw to make sure you've removed the V3 drivers - uninstall 3dfx tools,
delete 3dfx*.* in windows/system, delete glide*.* in windows/system
If that doesn't help, try switching from agp 4x to 2x, since agp 4x makes
virtually no difference to speed but can cause problems.
Also a fresh install of GPL may help, and check you have the right core.ini
settings for d3d.
:)
"Tero Turtiainen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi!
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> I recently updated from Voodoo 3 to GeForce 2 MX, but I have had a few
> problems with GPL. With the D3D patch the game would freeze after 0-10minutes
> of driving. The computer will freeze completely and I would have to resetit.
> Then I tried the OpenGL patch and I haven't had that freezing problemanymore
> but there is this "menu screens are half way down the screen" problem that
> seems to be quite common problem with the OpenGL patch as I found out by
> looking at the news archives. But I couldn't find any solution to this
> problem, is there any way to fix this?
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Why? The mx is a lower cost slightly less perfomance version of the
Geforce 2. You might see a little gain but not much. Either save a bit
more for a GeForce Pro level board, or grab a faster CPU. By going to the
MX you would be making a sideways move. The one sim out right now that
'might' benefit would be N4 since it does take advantage of the the tnl
included in the Geeforce cards. Other than that...seems like a waste...
dave henrie
"Nick G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> i hope this is an isolated case, as i was considering upg from voodoo 33500
> tv to a geforce 2 mx... i think what you describe is a driver problem,
> though.
>
>
I agree, getting a GF2 MX doesn't make sense when you look at how cheap you
can get a GF2 GTS / PRO or a Kyro 2.
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> Why? The mx is a lower cost slightly less perfomance version of the > Geforce 2. You might see a little gain but not much. Either save a bit > more for a GeForce Pro level board, or grab a faster CPU. By going to the > MX you would be making a sideways move. The one sim out right now that > 'might' benefit would be N4 since it does take advantage of the the tnl > included in the Geeforce cards. Other than that...seems like a waste... > dave henrieOn Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:01:39 GMT, Simon Brown wrote:
>Did you completely un-install the Voodoo drivers? I would concentrate on
>getting D3D stable, there isn't a fix for the OpenGL menus yet that i've
>heard of.
I completely uninstalled the Voodoo drivers and then I also made a complete
reinstall of the Windows and GPL just to be sure. And it didn't help :(
I guess I'll have to try messing around with BIOS-settings. Currently the
best thing I can do is to use the OpenGL renderer at 640x480, because I
dont want to lose my nerve every time the system freezes and I also want to
be able to see the menus :)
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I'd advise to work at fixing d3d, it definitely runs better than
OpenGL. When you say d3d "freezes" the computer, what exactly do you
mean? Do you lose video but the sound continues? Or is it just a total
freeze? Wat's your PC? Specs?
Try even setting AGP 1x if possible. Some have also found that
lowering the AGP aperature can help some systems.
And the usual trick of latest bios, updated drivers, etc.
Another trick that may help is to increase the AGP voltage (if your
mobo allows this). More voltage can aid stability, but does increase
the heat output. So you need to have reasonable cooling on the gf2 ie
a small fan at minimum. 3.3v is standard, the system specs allow for
up to 10% deviation, so 3.6v is still "within spec" and will aid
stability.
Rafe Mc
On 5 Aug 2001 06:14:51 GMT, [email hidden] (Tero Turtiainen)
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>On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:01:39 GMT, Simon Brown wrote: >>Did you completely un-install the Voodoo drivers? I would concentrate on >>getting D3D stable, there isn't a fix for the OpenGL menus yet that i've >>heard of. > >I completely uninstalled the Voodoo drivers and then I also made a complete >reinstall of the Windows and GPL just to be sure. And it didn't help :( > >I guess I'll have to try messing around with BIOS-settings. Currently the >best thing I can do is to use the OpenGL renderer at 640x480, because I >dont want to lose my nerve every time the system freezes and I also want to >be able to see the menus :)If you have a Via chipset motherboard, check you have up to date Via 4-in-1
drivers. Also make sure you have fairly up to date MX drivers (6.50 onwards
should be fine), DX8a, and that GPL is patched to 1.2. Check your cpu and
video card aren't overclocked too.
It's strange that it only happens in d3d though.
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> I completely uninstalled the Voodoo drivers and then I also made acomplete
> reinstall of the Windows and GPL just to be sure. And it didn't help :(
>
> I guess I'll have to try messing around with BIOS-settings. Currently the
> best thing I can do is to use the OpenGL renderer at 640x480, because I
> dont want to lose my nerve every time the system freezes and I also wantto
> be able to see the menus :)
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Oh yeah, also I found GPL crashes with AGP aperture on 64 MB, and I have it
on 128 MB now, so you might want to try that too.
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> If you have a Via chipset motherboard, check you have up to date Via4-in-1
> drivers. Also make sure you have fairly up to date MX drivers (6.50onwards
> should be fine), DX8a, and that GPL is patched to 1.2. Check your cpuand
> video card aren't overclocked too.
>
> It's strange that it only happens in d3d though.
>
On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:35:17 GMT, Rafe McAuliffe wrote:
>I'd advise to work at fixing d3d, it definitely runs better than
>OpenGL. When you say d3d "freezes" the computer, what exactly do you
>mean? Do you lose video but the sound continues? Or is it just a total
>freeze? Wat's your PC? Specs?
The freeze is like the screen is frozen, except for mouse pointer which is
visible and moves. The sound continues playing the same "note" (which gets
very annoying :) Ctrl-alt-del does nothing and I have to press the reset-
button.
I have upgraded to the latest versions of everything I can think of but I
havent yet played with the voltage settings. The motherboard is Asus P5A-B
and the dip-switches for the voltage are pain in the ass to set, in a very
uncomfortable place. The processor is AMD K6-2 at 500MHz and nothing is
overclocked. Yeah, my PC is getting quite old...
What really confuses me is the fact that it works fine with the OpenGL
renderer, which makes me think that the hardware may not be the problem.
But excuse me, I have to go now. Colin Chapman wants me to test his Lotus
in Zandvoort.
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I have had the same problem since installing the GeForce 2 Ultra --
computer locks up so hard only the power button works to turn it off.
I followed the advice to delete my old 3Dfx and Glide files from the
\Windows\System directory and set my BOIS's AGP Apture Size to 128
from 64 and within a minute GPL locked up.
Then I rebooted, and made a change to the GPL core.ini, setting:
D3DDevice = 1
where it had been zero. I rebooted, did NOT login to my LAN, and did
NOT touch the mouse as I began to drive. After a few thousand feet
the mouse cursor went away and I continued to drive for about 25
minutes, which is the longest that I've gone since installing the
GeForce 2.
Hope this helps. THANKS for the advice here!
Jette
aka Pace' Cargo
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> On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:35:17 GMT, Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > >I'd advise to work at fixing d3d, it definitely runs better than > >OpenGL. When you say d3d "freezes" the computer, what exactly do you > >mean? Do you lose video but the sound continues? Or is it just a total > >freeze? Wat's your PC? Specs? > > The freeze is like the screen is frozen, except for mouse pointer which is > visible and moves. The sound continues playing the same "note" (which gets > very annoying :) Ctrl-alt-del does nothing and I have to press the reset- > button. > > I have upgraded to the latest versions of everything I can think of but I > havent yet played with the voltage settings. The motherboard is Asus P5A-B > and the dip-switches for the voltage are pain in the ass to set, in a very > uncomfortable place. The processor is AMD K6-2 at 500MHz and nothing is > overclocked. Yeah, my PC is getting quite old... > > What really confuses me is the fact that it works fine with the OpenGL > renderer, which makes me think that the hardware may not be the problem. > > But excuse me, I have to go now. Colin Chapman wants me to test his Lotus > in Zandvoort.On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:01:39 GMT, Simon Brown wrote:
>If that doesn't help, try switching from agp 4x to 2x, since agp 4x makes
>virtually no difference to speed but can cause problems.
Well, thanks to Tiku for telling me about this:
http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.cgi#hw:gef:troub:inst:mobo:asusp5a
I downloaded the AGP utility and set the AGP to 1x and now I managed to
drive at least 30 minutes with no freeze. I hope that the problem is
now fixed and I can get back to serious racing! :)
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