I'd like to table a motion...

...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support Papy making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games! (Yeah, OK, this is just a post born out of frustration at GPL Oulton Park's non-appearance...) -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > ...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support > Papy making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games!<snip> Let me get in first... CART SIM! <g> -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

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> David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug > 2001: > > > ...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support > > Papy making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games! > <snip> > > Let me get in first... CART SIM! <g>

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So basically, you'd like papy to simulate macy's thanksgivings day parade?

CART CART CART CART CART SIM!!!!!

Tour de France sim "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> ...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support Papy > making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games! > > (Yeah, OK, this is just a post born out of frustration at GPL Oulton > Park's non-appearance...) > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

This might sound harsh, but it's no wonder I don't find this place very useful anymore. All we get are the following types of posts: 1) GPL (Long): More of the same stuff about GPL and how great a simulation it is. While I agree with everyone's estimation of this sim, nothing new ever comes from these posts. 2) What's Should Papy do next: These post are insufferable. A few hundred respondents rattled of incoherent stuff like "CART!" and the like until the thread dies out 100 messages later. 3) WSC: Anything and all to do with this imaginary sim is all bunk and not informative at all. So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keep walking the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks of nothing but the past. Alanb "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gHDb7.35311$[email hidden]...

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> Tour de France sim > > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > ...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support Papy > > making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games! > > > > (Yeah, OK, this is just a post born out of frustration at GPL Oulton > > Park's non-appearance...) > > > > -- > > David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) > > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com > >

Alan Bernardo <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > This might sound harsh, but it's no wonder I don't find this place > very useful anymore. All we get are the following types of posts: [snipped all except titles of the next three sections]

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> 1) GPL (Long): > 2) What's Should Papy do next: > 3) WSC: > > So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts > that are truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so > posters who keep walking the same terrain over and over, like an 80 > year-old man who talks of nothing but the past.

<snip> Weeell... I don't think it's fair to say that there's "hardly any technical help" - you very rarely get a question that isn't answered on that subject; one can hardly post an answer if no-one's asked the question! The point about the NG being repetitive is reasonable - but having said that, Rally Trophy is starting to get up momentum in terms of posts now; I'd say that it's overtaken WSC in popularity of posting. -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

Mike G. Main <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > So basically, you'd like papy to simulate macy's thanksgivings day > parade? I haven't a clue what that means, I'm afraid... -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

Was a joke, poking fun at CART/IRL about how they are all just parades on wheels at 230mph every race :) (No passing, no action... alot like F1 lol )

I agree.. Lets also e-mail Picasso and tell him to do something besides paint.....

You wanted Papy to make "something, anything". David G Fisher "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Mike G. Main <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > > > So basically, you'd like papy to simulate macy's thanksgivings day > > parade? > > I haven't a clue what that means, I'm afraid... > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

lol

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> >This might sound harsh, but it's no wonder I don't find this place very >useful anymore. All we get are the following types of posts: > >1) GPL (Long): More of the same stuff about GPL and how great a simulation >it is. While I agree with everyone's estimation of this sim, nothing new >ever comes from these posts. > >2) What's Should Papy do next: These post are insufferable. A few hundred >respondents rattled of incoherent stuff like "CART!" and the like until the >thread dies out 100 messages later. > >3) WSC: Anything and all to do with this imaginary sim is all bunk and not >informative at all. > >So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are >truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keep walking >the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks of nothing >but the past. > >Alanb >

Ask a question CART and you get CART an answer you whining CART baby!!

In article <_8Eb7.106307$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: >So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are >truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keep walking >the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks of nothing >but the past. Ok, Alan - what SHOULD people be talking about? What their favorite game is now? Oh wait, that's GPL, for a lot of people. Ok, how about what game that's been announced that they're looking forward to? Oops, WSC. I know - what game would they most like to see, but no one's writing? Hmm..that would be CA-(nevermind). I'm having a bit of fun with you, but isn't that what people do in any other game group? They discuss the games they love now, make predictions about upcoming games, and dream about games they'd love to buy if only someone would make it... Is it really that surprising? BTW, I think there's a lot of technical info given here. The fact that most of the issues haven't affected me yet, doesn't mean there aren't people willing to help. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Mike G. Main" <[email hidden]> writes: >Was a joke, poking fun at CART/IRL about how they are all just parades on >wheels at 230mph every race :) > >(No passing, no action... alot like F1 lol ) IRL - no passing, no action? You're joking, right? If not, we must be watching different races... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I was wrong in saying there's no technical help going on here. There is some. But, really, how many times do we have to hear everyone's thoughts on what game Papy should release next? Or about WSC, which doesn't look like it will ever be released? Enough is enough, I say. We need more technical stuff, more stuff on how to be a better sim driver, than a cadre of folks talking about the same things over and over. Alanb "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_8Eb7.106307$[email hidden]>, "AlanBernardo" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are > >truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keepwalking > >the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks ofnothing > >but the past. > > Ok, Alan - what SHOULD people be talking about? What their favorite gameis > now? Oh wait, that's GPL, for a lot of people. > Ok, how about what game that's been announced that they're looking forwardto? > Oops, WSC. > I know - what game would they most like to see, but no one's writing? > Hmm..that would be CA-(nevermind). > I'm having a bit of fun with you, but isn't that what people do in anyother > game group? They discuss the games they love now, make predictions about > upcoming games, and dream about games they'd love to buy if only someonewould > make it... > Is it really that surprising? > BTW, I think there's a lot of technical info given here. The fact thatmost of > the issues haven't affected me yet, doesn't mean there aren't peoplewilling to

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> help. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Dont email Picasso! He aint done painting my fence yet! :)~ "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KWEb7.217319$[email hidden]... | I agree.. Lets also e-mail Picasso and tell him to do something besides | paint..... | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/19/2001

On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:40:10 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are >truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keep walking >the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks of nothing >but the past. Well what about the guy who is holding the gun to your head and making you read this group? I say you give him a swift kick in the nuts and send him packing. Then you won't have to endure the torture any longer... Good luck TW Todd Walker GPLRank: +72.27 (Held back by the @#$% Ring) twalker at jam dot rr dot com http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl

Thom j. wrote: > > Dont email Picasso! He aint done painting my fence yet! :)~ Pablo must be falling on hard times. When he's done with your fence can you send him my way...I need someone to paint my house numbers on the curb. Thanks, Gary

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> > "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KWEb7.217319$[email hidden]... > | I agree.. Lets also e-mail Picasso and tell him to do something besides > | paint..... > | > | > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/19/2001

they get the occasional burst of... boton swinging moves going...but other then that...it's like whatching F1...on steroids? lol

Sure Gary... :-) Only problem is you better keep a watchful eye on him cuz he keeps trying to paint these crazy looking nude ladies hi-stepping up the stairs on my fence... What a goof!! :)~ "Gary Stephenson" wrote:

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| Pablo must be falling on hard times. When he's done with your fence can | you send him my way...I need someone to paint my house numbers on the | curb. | | Thanks, | | Gary | | Thom j. wrote: | > | > Dont email Picasso! He aint done painting my fence yet! :)~ |

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"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: > I was wrong in saying there's no technical help going on here. There is > some. But, really, how many times do we have to hear everyone's thoughts on > what game Papy should release next? Or about WSC, which doesn't look like > it will ever be released? Enough is enough, I say. We need more technical > stuff, more stuff on how to be a better sim driver, than a cadre of folks > talking about the same things over and over. For technical stuff, read the posts about Ruud's and Gregor's simprojects. Thats techincal for even the educated engineer I would say :) Right now there is a very interesting Field of View discussion going on. There is also a long non-ranting thread trying to looking deeper into GP3 for some needed positivities. WSC discussion is pretty much non-existent now because since Empire put the lid on, little new information is around. N4's online wrecker problem is also discussed now. I would say that right now, this newsgroup is very general topic orinetated and not so game specific at all. Of course, there is also the rantings, but just click the down button on the keyboard. If you want new topic you think will be interesting, just start them yourself. It won't bite.

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> Alanb > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <_8Eb7.106307$[email hidden]>, "Alan > Bernardo" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are > > >truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keep > walking > > >the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks of > nothing > > >but the past. > > > > Ok, Alan - what SHOULD people be talking about? What their favorite game > is > > now? Oh wait, that's GPL, for a lot of people. > > Ok, how about what game that's been announced that they're looking forward > to? > > Oops, WSC. > > I know - what game would they most like to see, but no one's writing? > > Hmm..that would be CA-(nevermind). > > I'm having a bit of fun with you, but isn't that what people do in any > other > > game group? They discuss the games they love now, make predictions about > > upcoming games, and dream about games they'd love to buy if only someone > would > > make it... > > Is it really that surprising? > > BTW, I think there's a lot of technical info given here. The fact that > most of > > the issues haven't affected me yet, doesn't mean there aren't people > willing to > > help. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

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You've been reading the wrong threads... there's a humdinger<sp?> going on about field of view and how we perceive things in sims, which, I'll admit, has gone way off it's original topic (licencing), but is very interesting to read. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Alan Bernardo" wrote...

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> I was wrong in saying there's no technical help going on > here. There is some. But, really, how many times do we > have to hear everyone's thoughts on what game Papy should > release next? Or about WSC, which doesn't look like it > will ever be released? Enough is enough, I say. We need > more technical stuff, more stuff on how to be a better sim > driver, than a cadre of folks talking about the same things > over and over. > > Alanb

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>I was wrong in saying there's no technical help going on here. There is >some. But, really, how many times do we have to hear everyone's thoughts on >what game Papy should release next? Or about WSC, which doesn't look like >it will ever be released? Enough is enough, I say. We need more technical >stuff, more stuff on how to be a better sim driver, than a cadre of folks >talking about the same things over and over. >

That's fine, and I understand...<g> I'm not interested in Rally games, which someone else mentioned in this thread. I have my newsreader set to ignore threads which contain Colin McRae Rally, Rally Championship, etc. That way, I don't have to wade through posts that I have no interest in. Maybe you could do the same for subjects you're tired of? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > You wanted Papy to make "something, anything". > > David G Fisher Touch�.... -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

GMpartsguy <[email hidden]> wrote on 06 Aug 2001: > I agree.. Lets also e-mail Picasso and tell him to do something > besides paint..... Tried that - he said that there wasn't the market to do anything else. He said he might consider after doing "Weird Nude 752". -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

I second that. On 06 Aug 2001 19:38:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: >CART CART CART CART CART SIM!!!!!

On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:09:38 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote: >I second that. > >On 06 Aug 2001 19:38:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: > >>CART CART CART CART CART SIM!!!!! Well, that's 2 sales. 1/3rd of the way to the GPL mark. CART is not what it was when Indycar Racing 1 & 2 were made. It'd tank. Tim

I disagree. CART has a much wider international market now. I'd never even heard of CART here in Australia really until '98. CART is losing a bit of support in the US, but it is rising overseas, and we're just about to have races in the UK and Germany. I think it'd do well. Rafe Mc On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:21:39 -0400, Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:09:38 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe >McAuliffe) wrote: > >>I second that. >> >>On 06 Aug 2001 19:38:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: >> >>>CART CART CART CART CART SIM!!!!! > >Well, that's 2 sales. 1/3rd of the way to the GPL mark. > >CART is not what it was when Indycar Racing 1 & 2 were made. >It'd tank. > >Tim

Lol. Well, you're a bit rude about it, but... I'm visiting this newsgroup for the first time in 2 1/2 years tonight and NOTHING has changed! Except I can't remember whether the buzz around the Nascar series was for version 3 or 4. But GPL, the sim that prompted me to upgrade my 233 mhz cpu, is still king of the road. I guess a serious racing sim is a specialty item that just doesn't come along every day. Or year. Of course in this case we're talking about a game from the previous millennium, but I digress. "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_8Eb7.106307$[email hidden]... > This might sound harsh, but it's no wonder I don't find this place very > useful anymore. All we get are the following types of posts: > > 1) GPL (Long): More of the same stuff about GPL and how great asimulation > it is. While I agree with everyone's estimation of this sim, nothing new > ever comes from these posts. > > 2) What's Should Papy do next: These post are insufferable. A fewhundred > respondents rattled of incoherent stuff like "CART!" and the like untilthe > thread dies out 100 messages later. > > 3) WSC: Anything and all to do with this imaginary sim is all bunk andnot > informative at all. > > So be it. There's hardly any technical help here nor any posts that are > truly meaningful. It's run by a group of ten or so posters who keepwalking > the same terrain over and over, like an 80 year-old man who talks ofnothing > but the past.<snip>

Not that it matters but to "table a motion" (I believe) means that we're going to move onto other issues for the time being, and come back to the current one at a latter time. I think you want to simply make a motion... :) David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> ...that Sierra be written to by the lot of us and urged to support Papy > making something - anything! - other than bloody NASCAR games! > > (Yeah, OK, this is just a post born out of frustration at GPL Oulton > Park's non-appearance...) > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com >

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:59:49 -0700, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not that it matters but to "table a motion" (I believe) means that we're >going to move onto other issues for the time being, and come back to the >current one at a latter time. > >I think you want to simply make a motion... :) That is correct. Someone needs to read up on their parliamentary procedure ;-) *-*-*-*-*-*-* Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS: http://twalker.d2g.com/pro90/index.htm *-*-*-*-*-*-*

Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AZYd7.118689$%[email hidden]... > Not that it matters but to "table a motion" (I believe) means thatwe're > going to move onto other issues for the time being, and come back tothe > current one at a latter time. Depends where you are! "Tabling a motion" in the States is pretty much equivalent to "shelving" it in the UK; here (UK if you're wondering!) it means to (metaphorically) lay it *on* the table for everyone to see and deal with. :-) Jonny

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> On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:59:49 -0700, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>Not that it matters but to "table a motion" (I believe) means that >>we're going to move onto other issues for the time being, and come >>back to the current one at a latter time. >> >>I think you want to simply make a motion... :) > > That is correct. Someone needs to read up on their parliamentary > procedure ;-)

Nope. Someone needs to read up on their UK procedure! Here in the UK, "tabling a motion" means presenting it for debate - almost exactly the opposite of the US version. -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote on 13 Aug 2001: > Not that it matters but to "table a motion" (I believe) means that > we're going to move onto other issues for the time being, and come > back to the current one at a latter time. > > I think you want to simply make a motion... :) Not that it matters but I'm not American, and therefore not bound by the constraints of US English, despite what "W" & co. might have me believe :-) You're correct in what you say about the meaning of "tabling a motion" *only* insofar as it applies to US English. In UK English, we "table a motion" to put if forward for debate. (You can also table an amendment to a Bill etc.) You speak the language your way, and I'll speak it mine :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com