GPL and not left foot braking - there's hope for me yet!

If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi (see http://www.itv-f1.com/media/cache/itvf1/story_6848.php3), then it's good enough for me! He's quoted as saying "I do not do left-foot braking. I use my left foot to stand on when I step out of the shower." Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never better my painful 121.8 GPLRank :-(

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> > If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi (see > http://www.itv-f1.com/media/cache/itvf1/story_6848.php3), then it's > good enough for me! > > He's quoted as saying "I do not do left-foot braking. I use my left > foot to stand on when I step out of the shower." > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never better my painful > 121.8 GPLRank :-(

Thank goodness, & I thought I was the only one. :-P One-footed drivers of the world, unite! -- Fester

+10.07 here (Monster +285), right foot braking only. I intend to go negative using this technique... others have done so before. Jan. =--- Jonesy wrote... > If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi <snip> > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never > better my painful 121.8 GPLRank :-(

I got to a -1 GPLRank with right foot braking and a 1:27.93 at Monza! But then I switched to LFB and now it's at -30 :) Thanks, Alex Jonesy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi (see > http://www.itv-f1.com/media/cache/itvf1/story_6848.php3), then it's > good enough for me! > > He's quoted as saying "I do not do left-foot braking. I use my left > foot to stand on when I step out of the shower." > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never better my painful > 121.8 GPLRank :-(

I used to be the lowest right foot braker in GPL, doubt I still am, haven't played in years. But didn't really race F1's when I did play GPL, mostly F2's and F3's. Have a -40.76 rank . "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:57af7.3623$[email hidden]... > +10.07 here (Monster +285), right foot braking only. I intend to gonegative

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> using this technique... others have done so before. > > Jan. > =--- > > Jonesy wrote... > > If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi <snip> > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never > > better my painful 121.8 GPLRank :-( > >

"Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DJaf7.90$[email hidden]... > I got to a -1 GPLRank with right foot braking and a 1:27.93 at Monza! But > then I switched to LFB and now it's at -30 :) > > Thanks, > Alex Damn!!!! >:-(

I got down to -43 right foot braking then I switched to left foot thinking I'd be much quicker but I only gained 7 or 8 seconds. Can't wait till everybody starts using clutches ;) "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uSaf7.31725$[email hidden]... > I used to be the lowest right foot braker in GPL, doubt I still am,haven't > played in years. But didn't really race F1's when I did play GPL, mostly > F2's and F3's. Have a -40.76 rank > >

p.s. I read somewhere that Juan Mon was a right foot braker while in CART but I'm sure he's switched to left for F1. It only took a little over a week for my left foot/leg to learn braking so I'm not sure what this guy is complaining about considering his salary.

Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b7d779e$0$282$[email hidden]... > I got down to -43 right foot braking then I switched to left footthinking > I'd be much quicker but I only gained 7 or 8 seconds. Can't waittill > everybody starts using clutches ;) But clutches are only useful for standing starts, so won't be much help for GPLRank :-( Jonny

"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote > But clutches are only useful for standing starts, so won't be much > help for GPLRank :-( > > Jonny I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL) will require right foot braking (unless you can match revs). Also, the gas while braking technique used in GPL may melt rear brake pads so there may yet be hope for us right foot brakers. I was thinking of setting up a new driver in GPL named Kirk_RFB_House and only doing right foot brake hotlaps with it. If all the right foot brakers would do this on GPL Rank we'd have a way to compare our times. The guys who did it in real life didn't brake with their left feet so maybe this explains part of the reason why the times from GPL and the real times from 1967 are different. This doesn't mean that it would have been impossible to left foot brake in those cars but maybe the drivers simply hadn't figured it out yet as the learning curve would most likely have been fatal.

A couple of clarifications.... When I say clutch I don't mean button on wheel. I'm talking about a third pedal. Also I do know that clutch use in GPL is not necessary at all. > I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL) willrequire > right foot braking (unless you can match revs).

All he needs is some lessons from revved and a copy of GPL. Then he'll be a real F1 driver. David G Fisher "Jonesy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi (see > http://www.itv-f1.com/media/cache/itvf1/story_6848.php3), then it's > good enough for me! > > He's quoted as saying "I do not do left-foot braking. I use my left > foot to stand on when I step out of the shower." > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never better my painful > 121.8 GPLRank :-(

His F1 experience should stand him in good stead for GPL, sure. ;-)) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "David G Fisher" wrote... > All he needs is some lessons from revved and a copy of GPL. > Then he'll be a real F1 driver. > > David G Fisher

Why would a clutch in WSC require right foot braking? Don't they use dogboxes? Even privateers use dogboxes! That's like the first thing you should buy if your serious about racing. BTW, I can hop feet as I don't drag the gas while braking in a straight line, I only feed in the gas while going into the corner, so I can use the clutch while downshifting then quick hop feet for the corner. I tried it in GPL for a day and was about a second off my PBs at each track doing that, but also PB's are your very best and I wasn't quite used to it yet, so I'd figure it's about 4 tenths of a second slower a lap at a track that takes mid 1m to complete. Thanks, Alex Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b7d8ad1$0$279$[email hidden]... > A couple of clarifications.... When I say clutch I don't mean button on > wheel. I'm talking about a third pedal. Also I do know that clutch usein

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> GPL is not necessary at all. > > > I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL) will > require > > right foot braking (unless you can match revs). > >

like me :) Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:57af7.3623$[email hidden]... > +10.07 here (Monster +285), right foot braking only. I intend to gonegative

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> using this technique... others have done so before. > > Jan. > =--- > > Jonesy wrote... > > If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi <snip> > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never > > better my painful 121.8 GPLRank :-( > >

"I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC will require right foot braking (unless you can match revs). " That is from my original post. Plus I'm not sure what will happen if you over or under rev during a clutchless shift in WSC. You are right though, syncromesh is heavy and can't synchronize the engine input and transmision output shaft as fast as good driver. If you miss one shift because you don't want to use a clutch you might lose just as much time as you would by simply using a clutch the entire time. I guess it all depends on the skill level of the driver. If you can heel and toe without right foot braking I want your autograph ;) "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Whuf7.2101$[email hidden]...

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> Why would a clutch in WSC require right foot braking? Don't they use > dogboxes? Even privateers use dogboxes! That's like the first thing you > should buy if your serious about racing. > > BTW, I can hop feet as I don't drag the gas while braking in a straight > line, I only feed in the gas while going into the corner, so I can use the > clutch while downshifting then quick hop feet for the corner. I tried it

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> GPL for a day and was about a second off my PBs at each track doing that, > but also PB's are your very best and I wasn't quite used to it yet, so I'd > figure it's about 4 tenths of a second slower a lap at a track that takes > mid 1m to complete. > > Thanks, > Alex > Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b7d8ad1$0$279$[email hidden]... > > A couple of clarifications.... When I say clutch I don't mean button on > > wheel. I'm talking about a third pedal. Also I do know that clutch use > in > > GPL is not necessary at all. > > > > > I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL) will > > require > > > right foot braking (unless you can match revs). > > > > >

Maybe if you reduced the travel of the clutch and had extremely strong feet you could do it... if you had some kind of power assisted clutch with a very short travel. They should make those! :) The funny thing is my dad hates left foot braking, just heel and toe all the way, and he gets mad at me if I left foot brake in our normal cars. :) (I'm 14 btw, so I still have some time until I race, right now he lets me drive around a 1 lane dirt road at my uncle's house that's on a big hill, and quite fun to drive, well to me at least as rallying is my favourite motorsport) I guess when I start racing I'll heal and toe to downshift then hop over right before the corner to LFB, it's possible... Thanks, Alex Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b7eb186$0$340$[email hidden]...

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> "I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC will require > right foot braking (unless you can match revs). " > > That is from my original post. Plus I'm not sure what will happen if you > over or under rev during a clutchless shift in WSC. You are right though, > syncromesh is heavy and can't synchronize the engine input and transmision > output shaft as fast as good driver. If you miss one shift because you > don't want to use a clutch you might lose just as much time as you would

by > simply using a clutch the entire time. I guess it all depends on theskill

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> level of the driver. > If you can heel and toe without right foot braking I want your autograph > ;) > > > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Whuf7.2101$[email hidden]... > > Why would a clutch in WSC require right foot braking? Don't they use > > dogboxes? Even privateers use dogboxes! That's like the first thing you > > should buy if your serious about racing. > > > > BTW, I can hop feet as I don't drag the gas while braking in a straight > > line, I only feed in the gas while going into the corner, so I can use

the > > clutch while downshifting then quick hop feet for the corner. I tried it > in > > GPL for a day and was about a second off my PBs at each track doingthat, > > but also PB's are your very best and I wasn't quite used to it yet, soI'd > > figure it's about 4 tenths of a second slower a lap at a track thattakes

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> > mid 1m to complete. > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3b7d8ad1$0$279$[email hidden]... > > > A couple of clarifications.... When I say clutch I don't mean button

on > > > wheel. I'm talking about a third pedal. Also I do know that clutchuse

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> > in > > > GPL is not necessary at all. > > > > > > > I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL) will > > > require > > > > right foot braking (unless you can match revs). > > > > > > > > > >

Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b7d8ad1$0$279$[email hidden]... > A couple of clarifications.... When I say clutch I don't meanbutton on > wheel. I'm talking about a third pedal. Also I do know that clutchuse in > GPL is not necessary at all. > > > I was refering to the fact that use of a clutch in WSC (or GPL)will > require > > right foot braking (unless you can match revs). I was referring to the fact that a racing dog (non-synchro) 'box doesn't need the clutch to shift. AFAIK in "proper" race series, the only cars where the clutch is regularly used for shifts are endurance racers. Jonny

I have only been playing GPL for about a month. Watching my replays, I can tell that where I am really losing time is in the entry to turns. So I had been thinking of trying left foot braking anyway, and this thread got me to finally try it. It took a day or so to get used to it, but once I got it I knocked almost half a second off of my best lap at Monza, and a full second off of my average. OTOH, my best lap is still only 1:33.58 and my average lap is more like 1:35, so you could argue that with continued practice I would have seen the same improvement even with right foot braking, but I know for sure that I am entering the turns better using left foot braking. I am able to control the entry better, which means I can cut it closer than before, and I am getting better consistency. I guess theoretically I could do the same thing with heel-and-toeing, but that feels so much more awkward than left foot braking, and the pedals on my Logitech FFGP controller aren't really well spaced for it. "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DJaf7.90$[email hidden]... > I got to a -1 GPLRank with right foot braking and a 1:27.93 at Monza!But

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> then I switched to LFB and now it's at -30 :) > > Thanks, > Alex > Jonesy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If it's good enough not to for Jean Alesi (see > > http://www.itv-f1.com/media/cache/itvf1/story_6848.php3), then it's > > good enough for me! > > > > He's quoted as saying "I do not do left-foot braking. I use my left > > foot to stand on when I step out of the shower." > > > > Yeah, I know if I don't learn I'll probably never better my painful > > 121.8 GPLRank :-( >

Keep it up Haqsau! It sounds like you are doing just fine! :) Since I use paddles I guess its almost like a left brake pedal? "Haqsau" wrote:

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| I have only been playing GPL for about a month. Watching my replays, I | can tell that where I am really losing time is in the entry to turns. | So I had been thinking of trying left foot braking anyway, and this | thread got me to finally try it. It took a day or so to get used to it, | but once I got it I knocked almost half a second off of my best lap at | Monza, and a full second off of my average. OTOH, my best lap is still | only 1:33.58 and my average lap is more like 1:35, so you could argue | that with continued practice I would have seen the same improvement even | with right foot braking, but I know for sure that I am entering the | turns better using left foot braking. I am able to control the entry | better, which means I can cut it closer than before, and I am getting | better consistency. I guess theoretically I could do the same thing | with heel-and-toeing, but that feels so much more awkward than left foot | braking, and the pedals on my Logitech FFGP controller aren't really | well spaced for it.

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I would think paddles would be even better. Fingertip control of throttle and brake has got to be more precise than foot control. "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QJXf7.118647$[email hidden]... > Keep it up Haqsau! It sounds like you are doing just fine! :) > Since I use paddles I guess its almost like a left brake pedal? > > "Haqsau" wrote: > | I have only been playing GPL for about a month. Watching myreplays, I > | can tell that where I am really losing time is in the entry toturns. > | So I had been thinking of trying left foot braking anyway, and this > | thread got me to finally try it. It took a day or so to get used toit, > | but once I got it I knocked almost half a second off of my best lapat > | Monza, and a full second off of my average. OTOH, my best lap isstill > | only 1:33.58 and my average lap is more like 1:35, so you couldargue > | that with continued practice I would have seen the same improvementeven > | with right foot braking, but I know for sure that I am entering the > | turns better using left foot braking. I am able to control theentry > | better, which means I can cut it closer than before, and I amgetting > | better consistency. I guess theoretically I could do the same thing > | with heel-and-toeing, but that feels so much more awkward than leftfoot

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> | braking, and the pedals on my Logitech FFGP controller aren't really > | well spaced for it. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 > >

It works for me but then again I've never used pedals :) "Haqsau" wrote: | I would think paddles would be even better. Fingertip control of | throttle and brake has got to be more precise than foot control. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

AFAIK all Porshce's have synchro so that the technology gains from racing will trickle down to their road cars. I think heel and toe will be necessary if you want to be able to drive all types of simulated cars in the future. CanAm was a "proper" race series IMHO. "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> I was referring to the fact that a racing dog (non-synchro) 'box > doesn't need the clutch to shift. AFAIK in "proper" race series, the > only cars where the clutch is regularly used for shifts are endurance > racers. > > Jonny > >

In article <xiuf7.2104$[email hidden]>, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> writes: > like me :) Me too. I'm at -6.27 now, (Monster about +105) right foot braking only, and I see no reason why I can't continue to improve without switching. Marc > Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:57af7.3623$[email hidden]... >> +10.07 here (Monster +285), right foot braking only. I intend to go > negative >> using this technique... others have done so before.