WSC - put up or shut up.....

While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?

On 21 Aug 2001 19:54:25 -0700, [email hidden] (G_Walter) wrote: [snip] Grow up or shut up.... What exactly do the West Brothers owe you? Kendt Hmm - aol.com ;)...

TELL US WHATS GOING ON? Or what? Regards, Anthony Bulloch

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> While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?

Never ceases to amaze me how nutty people get over a piece of gaming software. Cheers, Rod.

who gives a rats ass? i was a nice fantasy, and one i believed would never happen anyway... this post is showing what i thought all along, it wont happen as they say it will. LOL longest April Folls joke i ever saw Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.15edea56706ce694989997@news-server...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON? > > Never ceases to amaze me how nutty people get over a piece of > gaming software. > > Cheers, > Rod.

I said it a year ago you'll never see WSC. Move on . "Warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZYHg7.139817$[email hidden]... > who gives a rats ass? > i was a nice fantasy, and one i believed would neverhappen anyway... this > post is showing what i thought all along, it wont happenas they say it > will. > > LOL longest April Folls joke i ever saw > > Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > news:MPG.15edea56706ce694989997@news-server... > > In article<[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC'will be released > > > when it released' I think it time we heard more thanthat. The west > > > brthers and there admirers are responsible forgetting the hype > > > machine running for the past years, as theproclaimed 'gpl beater.' > > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire'scontrol and there > > > will only be a psx2 version, and various otherthings. Yet people stay > > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for themanufactured hype > > > that makes every little Jonny down the street waitto upgrade his > > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wastedminute talking about > > > the game and reading articles about it and listeningto the wild > > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they'vebeen hoodwinked > > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL USWHATS GOING ON? > > > > Never ceases to amaze me how nutty people get over apiece of > > gaming software. > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > >

I just don't understand some people. On one hand you get Ilari having to deal with rumours that arise through whatever filtering of released information goes in in some people's heads, while on the other hand usually the same kind of people outright demand info products, as if they're being owed anything. It's apparently a no win situation. The Wests themselves have given no more info about their work than what was given for any other serious sim product out there. If it captured the imagination of virtual drivers better than other products, tough luck for others. But the 'hype' takes a mass of people to support and sustain, you honestly cannot blame only two people being responsible for it. It's a sociological phenomenon, and the blame for the hype bonfire continuously burning too strong for its own good is purely on the shoulders of the community. While hype can even be good if it brings along the support of the community (check the upocming Il-2 flight simulation and its forums), posts like yours tend to turn the hype into irrational anger. Try imaginining being a developer yourself, no matter how unlikely this may seem. How encouraging would it be for you to get messages from a bunch of nobodies you've never met, demanding from you to show them results of your work in progress, or beat it? If you're not content with the situation, that's your own right, but demands such as 'put up or shut up' are utterly ridiculous to hear from someone with absolutely no credit to their name. -Gregor G_Walter wrote:

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> > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?

WSC is still in development - and strange though it may seem - it will be released when it is finished - and not before (something which Papy, EA, and Hasbro seem to have forgotten how to do) There is even a web-cam on one of the West Bro's PC's and from time to time you can see them working on it - I wont post the link here as it was accidental that it became public-knowledge anyway - as it may be one of the features of the West Racing website - which will be going live with content in the very near future. I'd also invite you to read this http://www.simracingmag.com/wsc/articles/01q3/wsc_latest.shtml That was about a month ago - and explains what is in progress - and what's been done. I do not understand why you feel that the West's owe you anything? What have you given them? Nothing. Have you made some secret down payment on a product. No. You can moan and groan all you like - but the facts are thus - WSC is being developed by the West Brothers for the PC to be published by Empire. There is not strict release date yet - in so far as when it is finished - it will be published. (Personally an approach I prefer to "It'll be out in June" - "Sorry, it's been pushed back till September" - "We'll be releaseing in January" and so on and so forth) - WSC is also being developed for the PS2 - but not by the West Brothers - and is to be a much more consumer/arcade orientated product. Now you can moan, groan, shout, and scream all you want. But there's no point and no need. Doug. -- -------------------------------------------- From the mind of Douglas Ellison http://www.douglasellison.co.uk mailto:[email hidden] ICQ:- 127619558 MS:- [email hidden] -------------------------------------------- "G_Walter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?

Makes sense to me Gregor.. I still opt to wait & not put the cart in front of the horse! :) "Gregor Veble" wrote:

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| I just don't understand some people. On one hand you get Ilari having to | deal with rumours that arise through whatever filtering of released | information goes in in some people's heads, while on the other hand | usually the same kind of people outright demand info products, as if | they're being owed anything. It's apparently a no win situation. | | The Wests themselves have given no more info about their work than what | was given for any other serious sim product out there. If it captured | the imagination of virtual drivers better than other products, tough | luck for others. But the 'hype' takes a mass of people to support and | sustain, you honestly cannot blame only two people being responsible for | it. It's a sociological phenomenon, and the blame for the hype bonfire | continuously burning too strong for its own good is purely on the | shoulders of the community. | | While hype can even be good if it brings along the support of the | community (check the upocming Il-2 flight simulation and its forums), | posts like yours tend to turn the hype into irrational anger. Try | imaginining being a developer yourself, no matter how unlikely this may | seem. How encouraging would it be for you to get messages from a bunch | of nobodies you've never met, demanding from you to show them results of | your work in progress, or beat it? If you're not content with the | situation, that's your own right, but demands such as 'put up or shut | up' are utterly ridiculous to hear from someone with absolutely no | credit to their name. | | -Gregor

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> While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?

Well said.... It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but they were the ones to get the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are all quiet suggesting something is not quite right. I feel this way only because of the flack Geoff Crammond got for GP3.... so many people had so many things on their wishlist that when GP3 came out they said Geoff had failed yet he had included much more in the sim than he had promised first off which I couldn't understand...

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> On 21 Aug 2001 19:54:25 -0700, [email hidden] (G_Walter) wrote: > > [snip] > > Grow up or shut up.... > > What exactly do the West Brothers owe you?

They owe us all.... an answer....they created their own hype and have left us dangling for some time now... forget a demo, a new screenshot, just a progress report would be something at this stage.

I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However I would like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progress report would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is rarely good news. btgoss "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qZSg7.3967$[email hidden]...

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> > Kendt Eklund <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On 21 Aug 2001 19:54:25 -0700, [email hidden] (G_Walter) wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > Grow up or shut up.... > > > > What exactly do the West Brothers owe you? > > They owe us all.... an answer....they created their own hype and have left > us dangling for some time now... forget a demo, a new screenshot, just a > progress report would be something at this stage. > >

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:39:11 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:kgTg7.6372$[email hidden]... >> I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However I >would >> like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progress >report >> would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is >> rarely good news. >> >> btgoss > >Well go read the progress report from a few weeks back on simracingmag.com >then > >Doug

I mean, ease up guys!!! The West Brothers strike out as independent developers so they don't have to deal with managers and corporate structure BS, and then they end up with half of RAS on thier asses like the worst micro-managers I've ever seen ;).... Damn it Chris and Tony - we demand a complete design doc for WSC, individual tasks, timeline with critical milestones and percentage completion. And we want it by Friday - you're already a week late on your project report ;)! Kendt

-- -------------------------------------------- From the mind of Douglas Ellison http://www.douglasellison.co.uk mailto:[email hidden] ICQ:- 127619558 MS:- [email hidden] -------------------------------------------- "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kgTg7.6372$[email hidden]... > I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However I would > like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progress report > would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is > rarely good news. > > btgoss Well go read the progress report from a few weeks back on simracingmag.com then Doug

> completion. And we want it by Friday - you're already aweek late on > your project report ;)! By friday?.......... Somtime this century would be nice.

.... > It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but theywere the ones to get > the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are allquiet suggesting > something is not quite right. Exactly ! They are not innocent bystanders, they spun the sim purposely inciting people. They should of kept quiet until close to release.

So, let me get this straight. Because someone here posts a stupid email saying put up or shut up (which isn't even very original !) it means that WSC won't ever happen ? Twisted logic !! If people ever bothered to read some of the posts here they would know where to find progress reports, but just in case you missed them http://www.simracingmag.com -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZYHg7.139817$[email hidden]... > who gives a rats ass? > i was a nice fantasy, and one i believed would never happen anyway... this > post is showing what i thought all along, it wont happen as they say it > will. > > LOL longest April Folls joke i ever saw > > Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.15edea56706ce694989997@news-server... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > > > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > > > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > > > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > > > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > > > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > > > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON? > > > > Never ceases to amaze me how nutty people get over a piece of > > gaming software. > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > >

I totally disagree on why GP3 was criticized. It was nothing to do with hype. It was because key elements of the game were substandard and hadn't moved on nearly enough (from GP2) to keep pace with the current level of PC sims. GP3 was released in July 2000, yet it looked considerably worse than games 2 years older. It had a 25 fps limit, unheard of in modern sims. Thanks to this the game never ran smoothly. I know there is a fix for this, but when you try to run at higher frame rates, it becomes too much for the engine and the PO shoots up, even on a fast PC. For how it looked, it stuggled in terms of performance. Compare the frame rates in GP3 and F1RC. F1RC looks way better and runs way faster. GP3 has it's infamous slow-mo effect, which ruined gameplay and enabled hotlappers to cheat (with the aid of the fps patch). The controller setup in particular, but also the whole menus are poorly designed. Until the patch, GP3 was pretty difficult to get working with certain wheels. Then we've got no internet play and poor LAN play, where games 2 years older can run with 20 cars on the net. Also we had an official website claiming the game had 'industry leading 3d audio' and yet the promised 3d sound never materialized in the game or the patch. Despite this the official site still listed it as one of the games features, even after release. I was such a big Geoff Crammond fan that I thought the criticism was harsh at the time, but I now feel it was justified. It was still better than F1 2000 though :) I read in an interview with GC before GP3 was released that he doesn't look at the work of his competitors. This is a real pitty. He could learn a real lot with a quick half an hour on GPL. "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AYSg7.3966$[email hidden]... > > Well said.... > It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but they were the ones to get > the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are all quiet suggesting > something is not quite right. > I feel this way only because of the flack Geoff Crammond got for GP3....so > many people had so many things on their wishlist that when GP3 came outthey > said Geoff had failed yet he had included much more in the sim than he had > promised first off which I couldn't understand...

Crapola. Al they did was show some industry people/insiders/journos/whatever the state of their work and their plans. WE took it from there! WE got excited by their goals. WE started discussing pros, cons, what-ifs and wishlists. The Wests have done nothing more than a few fact-based press releases, Q&A sessions and interviews. If WE get over-excited and then are disappointed that reality doesn't meet our inflated expectations, don't blame the West bros. On the other hand, if our expectations are met, we should thank them. Ben JJ Sricklin wrote in message ...

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>.... >> It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but they >were the ones to get >> the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are all >quiet suggesting >> something is not quite right. > > >Exactly ! They are not innocent bystanders, they spun the >sim purposely inciting people. >They should of kept quiet until close to release. > >

My money still says the Wests are hard at work doing their thing!! :o)~ All is well Kendt & Everyone!! Cuz I just got that feelin' hehehe :) "Kendt Eklund" wrote:

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| I mean, ease up guys!!! The West Brothers strike out as independent | developers so they don't have to deal with managers and corporate | structure BS, and then they end up with half of RAS on thier asses | like the worst micro-managers I've ever seen ;).... | | Damn it Chris and Tony - we demand a complete design doc for WSC, | individual tasks, timeline with critical milestones and percentage | completion. And we want it by Friday - you're already a week late on | your project report ;)! | | Kendt

"Douglas Ellison" wrote: | >Well go read the progress report from a few weeks back onsimracingmag.com

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| >then | > | >Doug | >"btgoss" wrote: | >> I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However I | >would | >> like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progress | >report | >> would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is | >> rarely good news. | >> | >> btgoss

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Couldn't have said it better. It's funny how the people who predict that WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape about it. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VINg7.19951$[email hidden]... > WSC is still in development - and strange though it may seem - it will be > released when it is finished - and not before (something which Papy, EA,and > Hasbro seem to have forgotten how to do)

I completely agree gregor, he should put up with it or bugger off and make his own. I am sick of this utter drivel. Ash If you're not content with the | | situation, that's your own right, but demands such as 'put up or shut | | up' are utterly ridiculous to hear from someone with absolutely no | | credit to their name. | | | | -Gregor |

" WSC is also being developed for the PS2 - but not by the West Brothers - and is to be a much more consumer/arcade orientated product." Where exactly did this info come from? "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VINg7.19951$[email hidden]... > WSC is still in development - and strange though it may seem - it will be > released when it is finished - and not before (something which Papy, EA,and > Hasbro seem to have forgotten how to do) > > There is even a web-cam on one of the West Bro's PC's and from time totime > you can see them working on it - I wont post the link here as it was > accidental that it became public-knowledge anyway - as it may be one ofthe > features of the West Racing website - which will be going live withcontent

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> in the very near future. > > I'd also invite you to read this > > http://www.simracingmag.com/wsc/articles/01q3/wsc_latest.shtml > > That was about a month ago - and explains what is in progress - and what's > been done. > > I do not understand why you feel that the West's owe you anything? What

have > you given them? Nothing. Have you made some secret down payment on a > product. No. > > You can moan and groan all you like - but the facts are thus > > - WSC is being developed by the West Brothers for the PC to be publishedby > Empire. There is not strict release date yet - in so far as when it is > finished - it will be published. (Personally an approach I prefer to"It'll > be out in June" - "Sorry, it's been pushed back till September" - "We'llbe

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> releaseing in January" and so on and so forth) > > - WSC is also being developed for the PS2 - but not by the West Brothers - > and is to be a much more consumer/arcade orientated product. > > Now you can moan, groan, shout, and scream all you want. But there's no > point and no need. > > Doug. > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > From the mind of Douglas Ellison > http://www.douglasellison.co.uk > mailto:[email hidden] > ICQ:- 127619558 > MS:- [email hidden] > -------------------------------------------- > "G_Walter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON? > >

The Westies did not hype WSC. The hype is caused by the community. All what the Westies did was saying 'this will be in, this will be in'. They did that too with GP3. Although with GP3 it turned out that a lot of the promised features were just not there, i do 'believe' in WSC, and i think the others should too. No one of us has ever spoken to Geoff Crammond. Not at E3, not in any direct interviews, not at any forum. The West-brothers have however given a radio-interview, they visit and even post at forums quite regularly, and Chris West even was at a GPL-Lan in Holland for 2 days. At that Lan he was very open and keen to get feedback from us. I spoke to him there, i know for sure now that the West-brothers have the knowledge and dedication to make this WSC a great sim. Best illustration of this is that he has even sold his (italian) sportscar to pay for development costs. Therefore i consider every attack at the West-brothers concerning WSC as a pure display of disrespect. They have worked for 5 years on this title and yet people slam them for not giving any extra info on development. I don't care. My appetite for WSC is almost as big as it was when GP3 was about to be released. We all know GP3 sucked as a sim. Therefore i have everlasting patience when it comes to WSC. I don't care if it's going to be released in Q4 2002, i just want the best Sim. If that means another year of development, so be it. Just let them do their job. For all the people who're are flaming the West-brothers in this newsgroup; Start playing WSC or GPL first. With only GP3-experience you will be pants in WSC:p Svend "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AYSg7.3966$[email hidden]...

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> > G_Walter <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released > > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west > > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype > > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.' > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there > > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype > > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about > > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON? > > Well said.... > It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but they were the ones to get > the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are all quiet suggesting > something is not quite right. > I feel this way only because of the flack Geoff Crammond got for GP3....

so > many people had so many things on their wishlist that when GP3 came outthey > said Geoff had failed yet he had included much more in the sim than he had > promised first off which I couldn't understand... > > > >

Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b847d27$0$77217$[email hidden]... > Couldn't have said it better. It's funny how the people who predict that > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape aboutit. > But they have been right so far......

Lister Storm <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m334d$aqj$[email hidden]... > The Westies did not hype WSC. The hype is caused by the community. Bullshit, they were here there and everywhere talking about it, soliciting wish lists, etc... > All what the Westies did was saying 'this will be in, this will be in'.They > did that too with GP3. Although with GP3 it turned out that a lot of the > promised features were just not there, i do 'believe' in WSC, and i think > the others should too. > > No one of us has ever spoken to Geoff Crammond. Not at E3, not in anydirect > interviews, not at any forum. The West-brothers have however given a > radio-interview, they visit and even post at forums quite regularly, Your contradicting yourself, you just said they never hyped wsc. > Therefore i consider every attack at the West-brothers concerning WSC as a > pure display of disrespect. Hmmm, I don't remember them ever doing anything to earn my respect. They have worked for 5 years on this title and > yet people slam them for not giving any extra info on development. 5 years ago i had a p166. I don't > care. My appetite for WSC is almost as big as it was when GP3 was about to > be released. We all know GP3 sucked as a sim. Speak for yourself. Therefore i have everlasting > patience when it comes to WSC. I don't care if it's going to be releasedin > Q4 2002, You must be a democrat. (hehe) i just want the best Sim. If that means another year of > development, so be it. Just let them do their job. > I'm not stopping them from doing anything. > > For all the people who're are flaming the West-brothers in this newsgroup; > Start playing WSC or GPL first. With only GP3-experience you will be pants > in WSC:p > Well DUH!! I can't play wsc it's a myth, but my GPL rank is negative you can look it up.

Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so far WSC is never going to be released. I think I need a few beers before my head starts to hurt... -Gregor Rik Anthrax wrote:

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> > > It's funny how the people who predict that > > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape about > > it. > > > > But they have been right so far......

And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to comprehend ;) "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so far WSC is never going to | be released. I think I need a few beers before my head starts to hurt... | | -Gregor | | Rik Anthrax wrote: | > | > > It's funny how the people who predict that | > > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape

about | > > it. | > > | > | > But they have been right so far......

They are, but at least they're the result of ceherent thought most of the time. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Ashley McConnell" wrote... > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to > comprehend ;)

Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered to the paradox below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come up with is 42. I need another beer... -Gregor Ashley McConnell wrote:

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> > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to comprehend ;) > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > | Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so far WSC is never going to > | be released. I think I need a few beers before my head starts to hurt... > | > | -Gregor > |

So you're saying the PO hits the fan? :-P Simon Brown wrote: > > when > you try to run at higher frame rates, it becomes too much for the engine and > the PO shoots up, even on a fast PC. -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

So you're saying the PO hits the fan? :-P > when > you try to run at higher frame rates, it becomes too much for the engine and > the PO shoots up, even on a fast PC. -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

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> > Kirk House <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b847d27$0$77217$[email hidden]... > > Couldn't have said it better. It's funny how the people who predict that > > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape about > it. > > > > But they have been right so far......

Hmm...more of your particular...or should that be peculiar...brand of 'logic'! Gerry

It's pretty simple Greger- there has been NO demo, and NO sim yet released, and those who say there never will be are winning this argument untill there is such. (after all it's been 2 years) Those who say shut up and wait are just getting repetitive. Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered to the paradox > below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come up with is 42. I > need another beer... >

Just because you have not seen a demo does not mean there is not one. I have seen and driven it (in fact 4 different demos at 2 ECTS's and 2 E3's), and I am very content. "Rik Anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2Dch7.497789$[email hidden]... > It's pretty simple Greger- > there has been NO demo, and NO sim yet released, and those who say there > never will be are winning this argument untill there is such. (after all > it's been 2 years) Those who say shut up and wait are just getting > repetitive.

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m18vt$hb8$[email hidden]... > So, let me get this straight. Because someone here posts a stupid email > saying put up or shut up (which isn't even very original !) it means that > WSC won't ever happen ? That someone is me. It wasn't stupid and it wasn't an insult, it was merely posted to create a debate about a game we ALL want to happen. Right ? Well the debate still rages, I see. Overall, that must be a good thing. The West Brothers may well be putting the finishing touches to their masterpiece. I have no idea about the state of the games' progress, as someone else rudely pointed out. But I do know one thing for bloody sure. If, and when the game appears in your local game store , it won't be a freebie. It will cost cash money, people. Another obnoxious individual said, early in this thread, that I'm the type who won't pay for it anyway. That is complete balls. WSC is at the top of my shopping list, and has been for a long time. If it lives up to even half the hype that has been written about it, then I will be a happy chappy. That's all.

Cool. I would like to see it. Carol Bekker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90dh7.36548$[email hidden]... > Just because you have not seen a demo does not mean there is not one. Ihave > seen and driven it (in fact 4 different demos at 2 ECTS's and 2 E3's), andI

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> am very content. > > "Rik Anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2Dch7.497789$[email hidden]... > > It's pretty simple Greger- > > there has been NO demo, and NO sim yet released, and those who say there > > never will be are winning this argument untill there is such. (after all > > it's been 2 years) Those who say shut up and wait are just getting > > repetitive. > > >

How can someone who isn't saying anything shutup ? That was my point about it being a stupid post. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m3plg$6gai$[email hidden]... > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9m18vt$hb8$[email hidden]... > > So, let me get this straight. Because someone here posts a stupid email > > saying put up or shut up (which isn't even very original !) it means that > > WSC won't ever happen ? > > That someone is me. It wasn't stupid and it wasn't an insult, it was merely > posted to create a debate about a game we ALL want to happen. Right ? > Well the debate still rages, I see. Overall, that must be a good thing. > The West Brothers may well be putting the finishing touches to their > masterpiece. I have no idea about the state of the games' progress, as > someone else rudely pointed out. But I do know one thing for bloody sure. > If, and when the game appears in your local game store , it won't be a > freebie. It will cost cash money, people. > Another obnoxious individual said, early in this thread, that I'm the type > who won't pay for it anyway. That is complete balls. WSC is at the top of my > shopping list, and has been for a long time. If it lives up to even half the > hype that has been written about it, then I will be a happy chappy. > That's all. > >

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m3rml$gqh$[email hidden]... > How can someone who isn't saying anything shutup ? > > That was my point about it being a stupid post. >It's just a commonly used phrase that seemed apt when i wrote it. People say "put up or shut up" in some obscure contexts. Playing cards, for example. No one is speaking, but when it comes time to place your bet somebody can say "put up or shut up", can't they ? Why it was taken so figuratively here, I'll never know. It must have been reasonable to assume that, of course, I had never met the West's or heard them talking(until the interview) so my use of "that" phrase could not have been a direct insult, and it wasn't.

Lister Storm <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m334d$aqj$[email hidden]... > The Westies did not hype WSC. The hype is caused by the community. > > All what the Westies did was saying 'this will be in, this will be in'.They > did that too with GP3. Although with GP3 it turned out that a lot of the > promised features were just not there, i do 'believe' in WSC, and i think > the others should too. No, that's not true. The Wests have said a lot of really advanced stuff will be in WSC.. the Wests themselves ahve said that so that makes us eager... and 2-3 yearson, w haven't sen eveidence of most of thsi stuff. I don't think Geoff Crammond nor co-workers have gone public on any matter from day 1 (i.e F1GP1), thus, I thought the flack he got was unfair... since HE didn't promise anything, he jsut made the sim and kept his trap shut... that way he did his best to include what he could and wouldn't get into trouble bypromising things he couldn't fit in by the deadline imposed on him. It was through idiot websites such as Alpha F1 (I won't go into that any more....) that items placed on "wishlists", which by the way nobody bothered to forward to Geoff, were deemed to be fact...not through confirmation by Geoff or Microprose/Hasbro but just to get hits which is very sad... as a result people began to believe that things such as pace cars and stuff were fact when they were only fiction of one little man with a "beginners guide to HTML" book at hand.

btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kgTg7.6372$[email hidden]... > I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However Iwould > like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progressreport > would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is > rarely good news. > Thank goodness, some who can say what I'm trying to say without going of the rails :-)

Yep and it could be in beta form right now? I know we all want WSC but to me the Wests are not going to release anything that is less then what it should be! Just look at all the complaints right here in ras with GP3, F1RC, F12000 & more.. Don't you think they know this? Food for thought chaps!! :) "Rik Anthrax"wrote: | Cool. I would like to see it. | | Carol Bekker wrote: | > Just because you have not seen a demo does not mean there is not one. I | have | > seen and driven it (in fact 4 different demos at 2 ECTS's and 2 E3's),and | I | > am very content. | > | > "Rik Anthrax" wrote: | > > It's pretty simple Greger- | > > there has been NO demo, and NO sim yet released, and those who saythere | > > never will be are winning this argument untill there is such. (afterall | > > it's been 2 years) Those who say shut up and wait are just getting | > > repetitive. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

LOL@Ian P.. Well here's a man that has a grasp of it all in one line!! Too funny but so true Ian P.. :) "Ian P" wrote: | How can someone who isn't saying anything shutup ? | | That was my point about it being a stupid post. | -- | Ian P | <email invalid due to spammers> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

LOL :) "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So you're saying the PO hits the fan? :-P > > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > when > > you try to run at higher frame rates, it becomes too much for the engineand > > the PO shoots up, even on a fast PC. > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

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>On 21 Aug 2001 19:54:25 -0700, [email hidden] (G_Walter) wrote: > >[snip] > >Grow up or shut up.... > >What exactly do the West Brothers owe you? >Kendt >Hmm - aol.com ;)... >

Heyy!! Give us AOLiens a break...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Lister Storm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9m2vtj$a06$[email hidden]>... > " WSC is also being developed for the PS2 - but not by the West Brothers - > and is to be a much more consumer/arcade orientated product." > > Where exactly did this info come from? I remember this. IIRC it was Chris West who said it, possibly in the WinVROC chat session. Paul :o)

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered tothe paradox > below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come upwith is 42. I

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> need another beer... > > -Gregor > > Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to

comprehend ;) > > > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > > news:[email hidden]... > > | Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so farWSC is never going to > > | be released. I think I need a few beers before myhead starts to hurt... > > | > > | -Gregor > > |

ceherent thought ?................hmmmmmmmm. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > They are, but at least they're the result of ceherentthought most of the > time. > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -FoghornLeghorn. > > "Ashley McConnell" wrote... > > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to > > comprehend ;) > >

physics is downright child's play as compered .......compered ?........whats is compered a physics term? lol "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered tothe paradox > below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come upwith is 42. I

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> need another beer... > > -Gregor > > Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to

comprehend ;) > > > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > > news:[email hidden]... > > | Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so farWSC is never going to > > | be released. I think I need a few beers before myhead starts to hurt... > > | > > | -Gregor > > |

Again, the brilliance of some r.a.s.ers astounds me. A guy with no sense of capitalization, punctuation or pure use of verbs (what does 'whats is' mean anyway?) is having a great time laughing at a simple typo? Get a life, buddy. -Gregor JJ Sricklin wrote:

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> physics is downright child's play as compered > ........compered ?........whats is compered a physics term? > lol > > > > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >> Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered to > > the paradox > >> below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come up > > with is 42. I > >> need another beer... >> >> -Gregor

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:46:03 -0600, "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> wrote: > physics is downright child's play as compered >.......compered ?........whats is compered a physics term? >lol Before making jokes like this check your own post, hehe ('whats is'???). ;-) And if you read between the lines, Gregor said 'I need another beer'; this means he probably had one already, which might explain the typo. :) Ehm, spellchecking about 5 times. Ok, hit Send!

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>"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Phew, physics is downright child's play as compered to >the paradox >> below! So far, the only answer I've been able to come up >with is 42. I >> need another beer...

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Gregor Veble wrote: > > Again, the brilliance of some r.a.s.ers astounds me. A guy with no sense > of capitalization, punctuation or pure use of verbs (what does 'whats > is' mean anyway?) is having a great time laughing at a simple typo? > > Get a life, buddy. Welcome to the internet Gregor, where every man, or woman as the case may be, has an opinion about something, or someone, and can make their voice heard, which is supposedly a good thing Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

I'm not the claiming physics is childs play professor. STFU ! "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Again, the brilliance of some r.a.s.ers astounds me. Aguy with no sense > of capitalization, punctuation or pure use of verbs(what does 'whats > is' mean anyway?) is having a great time laughing at asimple typo?

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> > Get a life, buddy. > > -Gregor > > JJ Sricklin wrote: > > > physics is downright child's play as compered > > ........compered ?........whats is compered a physics

term? > > lol > > > > > > > > > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > > news:[email hidden]... > > > >> Phew, physics is downright child's play as comperedto > > > > the paradox > > > >> below! So far, the only answer I've been able to comeup

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> > > > with is 42. I > > > >> need another beer... > >> > >> -Gregor >

And I never said you claimed anything like that either. Try to comprehend a post before replying to it the next time, OK? -Gregor JJ Sricklin wrote: > I'm not the claiming physics is childs play professor. > STFU ! >

Blow it out your ear. Typos are a fact of life. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "JJ Sricklin" wrote... > ceherent thought ?................hmmmmmmmm.

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And I never said you claimed anything like that either.Try to > comprehend a post before replying to it the next time,OK? > > -Gregor Take some of your own advice and read the thread Buckwheat. *PLOINK*

"Lister Storm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message SNIP >Therefore i have everlasting > patience when it comes to WSC. I don't care if it's going to be releasedin > Q4 2002, i just want the best Sim. If that means another year of > development, so be it. Just let them do their job. > > That says it all right there. Just pretend you never even heard of WSC and get on with your life and let it happen by the Wests time table.

You probably won't be seeing this, but here it goes anyway. You wrote an incomprehensible message, and now you're blaming me for reading it the wrong way? Furthermore, now that I reread your statement just to be able to see what you meant by it, I see that you are willing to openly declare yourself as being an annoying little simpleton, and a hypocrite one at that as well. Sheesh, and I thought you cannot go any lower. But why do I even bother, you don't even know how to PLONK anyone properly. As they say, never argue with an idiot, people might not be able to tell the difference. I stop here. -Gregor JJ Sricklin wrote:

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> > > Take some of your own advice and read the thread > Buckwheat. > > > *PLOINK*

Gregor Veble wrote: > > You probably won't be seeing this, but here it goes anyway. He'll see it now :))))).

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> You wrote an > incomprehensible message, and now you're blaming me for reading it the > wrong way? Furthermore, now that I reread your statement just to be able > to see what you meant by it, I see that you are willing to openly > declare yourself as being an annoying little simpleton, and a hypocrite > one at that as well. Sheesh, and I thought you cannot go any lower. > > But why do I even bother, you don't even know how to PLONK anyone > properly. As they say, never argue with an idiot, people might not be > able to tell the difference. I stop here. > > -Gregor > > JJ Sricklin wrote: > > > > > > > Take some of your own advice and read the thread > > Buckwheat. > > > > > > *PLOINK*

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> > Gregor Veble wrote: > > > > You probably won't be seeing this, but here it goes anyway. > > He'll see it now :))))). > > > You wrote an > > incomprehensible message, and now you're blaming me for reading it the > > wrong way? Furthermore, now that I reread your statement just to be able > > to see what you meant by it, I see that you are willing to openly > > declare yourself as being an annoying little simpleton, and a hypocrite > > one at that as well. Sheesh, and I thought you cannot go any lower. > > > > But why do I even bother, you don't even know how to PLONK anyone > > properly. As they say, never argue with an idiot, people might not be > > able to tell the difference. I stop here. > > > > -Gregor > > > > JJ Sricklin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Take some of your own advice and read the thread > > > Buckwheat. > > > > > > > > > *PLOINK*

You think ? Well, just in case he didn't the first time, I'm not snipping any of the message to save bandwidth here :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

In article <qZSg7.3967$[email hidden]>, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> writes: >> What exactly do the West Brothers owe you? > >They owe us all.... an answer....they created their own hype and have left >us dangling for some time now... forget a demo, a new screenshot, just a >progress report would be something at this stage. Well, I disagree. Sure, some people would like to see more 'progress reports'. But, as the creator, they don't owe anyone anything. They could decide tomorrow that they're quitting the project. None of us have paid for advance copies, or for stock in the company, so we're not out anything. If it comes out - great! If it doesn't...oh well... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Can anyone say "Petty"?? Rin thus thru ur spel chekor .....too much time "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y7yh7.3646$[email hidden]...

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> ceherent thought ?................hmmmmmmmm. > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> > wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > They are, but at least they're the result of ceherent > thought most of the > > time. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn > Leghorn. > > > > "Ashley McConnell" wrote... > > > And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to > > > comprehend ;) > > > > > > >

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:11:36 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: > I still opt to wait & not put the cart >in front of the horse! :) What Thom? You say they're making a CART sim? CART CART CART!!! lol Rafe Mc

Hey your the 2nd to upstage me Rafe Mc!! I'm gonna take you to "UpStage Court" if you dont quit it youz guyz!! Grrrrr :(.. hahaha So you think ur "punny"..eh Rafe Mc?? :)~ "Rafe McAuliffe" wrote: | What Thom? You say they're making a CART sim? CART CART CART!!! | | lol | Rafe Mc "Thom j." wrote: | | > I still opt to wait & not put the cart | >in front of the horse! :) | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001