F1RC Owners - Quick Survey (If you would)

1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and sound.) 2. Are you using force feedback? -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark

As realistic as anything else. Yes, I use FF, but it could be better. David G Fisher "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]...

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> 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and > sound.) > > 2. Are you using force feedback? > > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > > >

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:41:01 -0600, "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and >sound.)yes >2. Are you using force feedback?yes what's the use of this survey btw? Andre

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:41:01 -0600, "mark jeangerard" >1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and >sound.) yes yes what's the use of this survey btw? Andre

>"mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and > sound.) No. > 2. Are you using force feedback? No. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and > sound.) Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. > 2. Are you using force feedback? Yes - it's quite good actually. Doug

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" n o n s e n s e. David G Fisher "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphicsand

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> > sound.) > > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. > > > > > 2. Are you using force feedback? > > Yes - it's quite good actually. > > > Doug > > >

If we're just talking physics it is unfair in this case, agreed. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "David G Fisher" wrote... > Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter > the "no GPL" n o n s e n s e.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:00gi7.141489$[email hidden]... > Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" n on > s e n s e. > > David G Fisher The best physics there are- are in GPL and N4 It's a simple case of comparing one product with the best in it's class. Not Nonsense at all Doug

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" n on > s e n s e. We are talking about racing physics and dynamics David. It's nothing to be biased about, just a fact. Unless you can prove it wrong, of course :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

You know Doug many who have a "slot-car" mentality for their idea of true physics might think that GPL is "nonsense" as it is too hard :) "Douglas Ellison" wrote:

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| The best physics there are- are in GPL and N4 | | It's a simple case of comparing one product with the best in it's class. | | Not Nonsense at all | | Doug | "David G Fisher" wrote: | > Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" n

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I have an interesting (to me, anyway) idea. I need more answers before I reveal it. I want non biased answers. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:41:01 -0600, "mark jeangerard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and > >sound.) > yes > > >2. Are you using force feedback? > yes > > what's the use of this survey btw? > > Andre

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphicsand > > sound.) > > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. How can you say how realistic the physics are by comparing to other sims? That is more a measure of how simulistic they are! You should compare to reality. For example, one thing that I find is not so realistic is that with FF on, the wheel still returns to center when the car is stationary. It should only do so when the car is moving. I admit this is not the most important aspect though. Bart Westra

Hmmm. Do you have "return to center" switched on? I remember one guy saying how GPL's physics were so realistic because if you turned the wheel all the way to one side while stationary, and then accelerated, the wheel would return to center. I mentioned F1RC did the same thing, but he never replied for some reason. David G Fisher "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9mcit2$9nt$[email hidden]...

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> > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics > and > > > sound.) > > > > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. > > How can you say how realistic the physics are by comparing to other sims? > That > is more a measure of how simulistic they are! You should compare to

reality. > > For example, one thing that I find is not so realistic is that with FF on, > the wheel still returns to center when the car is stationary. It shouldonly > do so when the car is moving. I admit this is not the most importantaspect

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> > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics > and > > > sound.) > > > > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. > > How can you say how realistic the physics are by comparing to other sims? > That > is more a measure of how simulistic they are! You should compare to

reality. When was the last time you drove a modern F1 car then? DOug

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Jii7.142117$[email hidden]... > You know Doug many who have a "slot-car" mentality for their idea > of true physics might think that GPL is "nonsense" as it is too hard :) Are you saying that GPL physics are entirely innacurate? Are you saying that N4 and GPL do NOT share the best physics engine there is? And as for saying that it's nonesense as it's too hard. That's pure bullshit. Driving a '67 F1 car was not a walk in the park - and thus simulations thereof should not be either Doug

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Rhi7.8222$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" no > n > > s e n s e. > > > We are talking about racing physics and dynamics David. It's nothing tobe > biased about, just a fact. Unless you can prove it wrong, of course :) > Having said that, the original question was just whether the physics are realistic, not asking for a comparison against brand x, y and z. I don't have F1RC so I can't respond to the initial survey, but I'd have thought you'd just "draw a line" where you personally think "arcade stops and realistic starts" and say yay or nay. I can't see any reason to compare a modern F1 sim to a historic one, they're completely different. cheers John

No No No Doug...lol Just the opposite, it was a long night so maybe my text did not read clearly? I was referring to others who trash GPL all the time & seem to hate anyone who likes it with no real validity to back it up, aka a so called self proclaimed RC2000 expert!! Follow me now? :) Btw: I have driven the real thing in 65, 66, 67 & 68.. I did say drive & *not* race but it was a pre-race!! "Douglas Ellison" wrote:

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| Are you saying that GPL physics are entirely innacurate? | Are you saying that N4 and GPL do NOT share the best physics engine there | is? | And as for saying that it's nonesense as it's too hard. That's pure | bullshit. Driving a '67 F1 car was not a walk in the park - and thus | simulations thereof should not be either | Doug | "Thom j."wrote: | > You know Doug many who have a "slot-car" mentality for their idea | > of true physics might think that GPL is "nonsense" as it is too hard :)

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>"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote > Having said that, the original question was just whether the physics are > realistic, not asking for a comparison against brand x, y and z. Well then it all comes down to what "realistic" means to some and others. It can be very subjective. > I don't have F1RC so I can't respond to the initial survey, but I'd have > thought you'd just "draw a line" where you personally think "arcade stops > and realistic starts" and say yay or nay. I can't see any reason tocompare > a modern F1 sim to a historic one, they're completely different. A racing sim is a racing sim is a racing sim, whatever it simulates vintage or modern motorsports, or even water boat drag racing. :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Sorry Doug but the last time you drove a 67 GP cars was......... I love both games : ) Regards Mike On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:26:44 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9mcit2$9nt$[email hidden]... >> >> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... >> > >> > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... >> > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics >> and >> > > sound.) >> > >> > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. >> >> How can you say how realistic the physics are by comparing to other sims? >> That >> is more a measure of how simulistic they are! You should compare to >reality. > >When was the last time you drove a modern F1 car then? > >DOug > >

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> > "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9mcit2$9nt$[email hidden]... > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... > > > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with

graphics > > and > > > > sound.) > > > > > > Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no. > > > > How can you say how realistic the physics are by comparing to othersims? > > That > > is more a measure of how simulistic they are! You should compare to > reality. > > When was the last time you drove a modern F1 car then? And you? If you did, how well does F!RC simulate it? Bart

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vkki7.142295$[email hidden]... > Hmmm. Do you have "return to center" switched on? > > I remember one guy saying how GPL's physics were so realistic because ifyou > turned the wheel all the way to one side while stationary, and then > accelerated, the wheel would return to center. > > I mentioned F1RC did the same thing, but he never replied for some reason. I stand corrected. Have to switch off the Return to center. Think I was fooled because the return to center feels different in the game than it does with no game running. And most games I play turn it off for me. What I don't see however is the wheel returning to center when I accelerate. The car goes in a circle. Don't have time to check this out now, I have to do my last GP2 race tonight :) Bart

mark jeangerard wrote: > > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics and > sound.) No. > 2. Are you using force feedback? Yes.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:19:20 -0600, "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have an interesting (to me, anyway) idea. I need more answers before I >reveal it. I want non biased answers. Ok - but if you're looking for a connection between realistic physics and ff - I think the ff in F1RC is quite bad compared to GPL and GP3. Andre

FF is nothing special, but it doesn't detract from the experience, IMO. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip> > Ok - but if you're looking for a connection between realistic physics > and ff - I think the ff in F1RC is quite bad compared to GPL and GP3. > > Andre >

In article <00gi7.141489$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter the "no GPL" n o n >s e n s e. > >David G Fisher > >"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:0Nfi7.12599$[email hidden]... >> >> "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:%z9i7.135021$[email hidden]... >> > 1. Do you feel the physics are realistic? (Not concerned with graphics >and >> > sound.) >> >> Compared to GP3, F12000 and F1CS2000, yes. Compared to GPL, no.

Would you have preferred that he just said 'no' with no explanation, like ymenard did? And why is it nonsense? The man was asked for his opinion, and he gave it. The fact that you may not AGREE with said opinion doesn't really matter... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <00gi7.141489$[email hidden]>, "David GFisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > Would you have preferred that he just said 'no' with no explanation, like > ymenard did? Yes. His response become a cliche a loooong time ago. David G Fisher

Not wishing to start any fights DGF, but so has yours. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A8Ej7.155411$[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <00gi7.141489$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > Would you have preferred that he just said 'no' with no explanation,

like > > ymenard did? > > Yes. His response become a cliche a loooong time ago. > > David G Fisher >

Didn't pan out. The limited results I got supported my original idea but then I figured out where I went wrong in my reasoning and the result is no longer interesting to the group at large. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:19:20 -0600, "mark jeangerard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have an interesting (to me, anyway) idea. I need more answers before I > >reveal it. I want non biased answers. > > Ok - but if you're looking for a connection between realistic physics > and ff - I think the ff in F1RC is quite bad compared to GPL and GP3. > > Andre >