OT: Max Payne?

I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get the wheel off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shooters but I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA Today's Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from this game. It looks to rock! Anybody here played with it? What do you think? DC

My summary of Max Payne is as follows: it's just another first person shooter (FPS) and not a particularly good one. It has a couple of gimmicks ("Bullet Time") that have really sucked in the game reviewers but if you look past that, it's the same as the rest. That being said, I played it through and enjoyed it quite a bit. I just don't think it lives up to all the hype it has been given. The graphics are good but not spectacular, the game world is very bland and non-interactive, and the AI is not very good. The game is incredibly linear - there is only ever one way to do something. And it's short. It took me maybe 15 hours of game time to complete (I'm guessing there). And I explore *everything* - I wasn't rushing through. The ending was very good I have to admit. Before MP, the last two FPS games I played were Thief II and Deus Ex (in that order). These games spoiled me for any other FPS, and I hadn't played another one since, until MP. MP is to either of those games like Need For Speed is to GPL: pretty but shallow. If you like pure action you might not enjoy the Thief games (I and II) but if you like having to sneak around instead of just killing everybody then I recommend you try these games - Thief II if you don't have time for both, otherwise pick up Thief Gold and Thief II. Deus Ex isn't quite as "sneaky" as Thief, but it is just as good, if not better. Max Payne tried to be like Deus Ex in some ways, but couldn't reach that level. Everybody has raved about the graphics in MP but I'm not sure why - I wasn't that impressed. And I have a very fast PC (1.333 TBird, GeForce II Ultra, etc.) so I had all options cranked. Anyway, that's my 2 (50?) cents. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get thewheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shootersbut > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USAToday's

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> Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > >

Max payne is an excellent game with some great special effects and decent gameplay. There are plenty of reviews on the net so check it out. The one problem is it is extremely short, and I finished it in a week of play, not too solid play either. I would suggest hiring it for a week, youll finish it. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get thewheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shootersbut > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USAToday's

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> Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > >

>"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? Most FPS these days have to rely on "gimmicks" like in Max Payne to counter the effect of the poor quality of them globally. It's a shame. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I enjoyed it. I thought the graphics and bullet time effects were great, but as others have said, the game is too short and the AI are none too smart. In article <bngj7.28651$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get the wheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shooters but > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA Today's > Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > > >

-- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... Go and see if you can get a copy of Half-Life Platinum Edition. It's also available on Sierra's hp. You won't be disappointed. And there's a hack to play it from F10-view, too ;)) (but the original view makes it more scary). Regards Crash

It has reasonably good graphics and some fun features, like the ability to go slowmotion and dive into a room shooting. It is also fairly addictive and makes you want to go to the next 'scene' all the time. However I found that it got repetitive quite quickly - Quick Save - load gun - turn corner and shoot the baddies - take a 'pain killer - quick save - load gun - turn corner and shoot the baddies. Also the plot is VERY linear - on rails, and the gameplay is VERY limited. So I found I was just wasting my time, which is normal for computer games, but without even really enjoying it. There are a lot of more enjoyable wastes of time (e.g. Diablo II). regards Graham "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get the wheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shooters but > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA Today's > Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> writes: > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA Today's > Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. it isn't "from the game", but it's render with the MaxFX engine. > It looks to rock! it does. :) > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? the most fun I've had in a long time. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: > My summary of Max Payne is as follows: it's just another first person > shooter (FPS) and not a particularly good one. it's not a first person shooter. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

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> However I found that it got repetitive quite quickly - Quick Save - load > gun - turn corner and shoot the baddies - take a 'pain killer - quick > save - load gun - turn corner and shoot the baddies. Also the plot is > VERY linear - on rails, and the gameplay is VERY limited. So I found I > was just wasting my time, which is normal for computer games, but > without even really enjoying it. There are a lot of more enjoyable > wastes of time (e.g. Diablo II).

But you don't find Diablo II repetitive? While I did enjoy the Diablo series, I got tired of just - clicking baddies - pick up dropped items - clicking baddies - pick up dropped items - take a health potion, etc :) -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:06:17 -0400, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA Today's >Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. >Anybody here played with it? What do you think? I think it's much fun, although more in the beginning than halfway (am now in Part II, the game seems to be quite short, relatively). I hate harbour scenes with lots of cubish containers, yugh. But well, the slomo's are great, the story is fine too, and some scene really give a movie-ish feel. Considering I NEVER play Quake and dislike all its clones I'd say this is very nice entertainment for the buck. As for longevity (but oh you'll waste so much time!) I'd go for Black & White, although that too is more interesting in the first time and gets slower and more repetitive at an island or 2 down the road. Still, Max Payne is one of better titles today. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

I think it's really good. The graphics are probably better than the demo you speak of in 3dMark2001. Good gameplay. A little too short maybe, but so are plenty of other games. Compared with TR2, less adventure, more combat. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get thewheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shootersbut > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USAToday's

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> Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > >

Strictly speaking you're absolutely correct, it's not an FPS because it isn't first-person, it's third-person, but "FPS" has become a somewhat generic term referring to all games in which you pilot a single character through a 3D world and kill bad guys. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > My summary of Max Payne is as follows: it's just another first person > > shooter (FPS) and not a particularly good one. > > it's not a first person shooter. > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

Tomb Raider is no FPS though. Not sure I'd class Max Payne as FPS, how about TPS? "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b2tj7.4703$[email hidden]... > Strictly speaking you're absolutely correct, it's not an FPS because it > isn't first-person, it's third-person, but "FPS" has become a somewhat > generic term referring to all games in which you pilot a single character > through a 3D world and kill bad guys. >

Rob Adams wrote: > > Strictly speaking you're absolutely correct, it's not an FPS because it > isn't first-person, it's third-person, but "FPS" has become a somewhat > generic term referring to all games in which you pilot a single character > through a 3D world and kill bad guys. Hmm, not really. They are all action games, but there is too big a difference between FPS and third-person games. I didn't buy MP only because it is the latter.

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> > "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > My summary of Max Payne is as follows: it's just another first person > > > shooter (FPS) and not a particularly good one. > > > > it's not a first person shooter.

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Ronald Stoehr wrote: > Hmm, not really. They are all action games, but there is too big a difference > between FPS and third-person games. I didn't buy MP only because it is the latter. Hey Ronny, have you tried Operation FlashPoint yet? Very cool FPS. -- Fester

Yeah, maybe it's time for a new TLA (three letter acronym). I haven't played any of the Tomb Raider series, but from what I know of it I agree with you, it isn't a FPS because it's more of a puzzle-solving game. MP satisfies the "PS" part for sure. Lotsa person-shooting going on... "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uIxj7.49642$[email hidden]...

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> Tomb Raider is no FPS though. Not sure I'd class Max Payne as FPS, how > about TPS? > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b2tj7.4703$[email hidden]... > > Strictly speaking you're absolutely correct, it's not an FPS because it > > isn't first-person, it's third-person, but "FPS" has become a somewhat > > generic term referring to all games in which you pilot a single

character > > through a 3D world and kill bad guys. > > > > >

I got MP for my kid (9) and he likes it but sez it's too short/easy. I was impressed by the 'atmospherics' (sound & gfx production values); it really does feel like the streets of NYC (where I was born & raised). It's not a FPS, and the 3rd-person view disorients me, like driving GPL f. the F10 view. I don't experience life from an out-of-body perspective...do you? Among FPS', I like Counter-Strike for its weapons realism & Unreal Tournament for its fast & furious action. The forthcoming Red Faction (to be released mid-Sept.) also looks promising. --Steve Smith "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get thewheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shootersbut > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USAToday's

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> Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > >

In article <Q0Aj7.394973$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > The forthcoming Red Faction (to > be released mid-Sept.) also looks promising. I tried the demo for RF and it was "ok", so I am biased as to whether I will buy it or not. On another note, I also tried the demo for No One Lives Forever recently and thought it was really good, so I broke down and bought it. It is a very excellent FPS with a great story line, many hours of gameplay, and stealth is a needed tactic instead of just killing everyone. -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

Err...stealth is entirely optional :) My dad played NOLF all the way through without any stealth and the alarm blarring away all the time, for which there are hardly any consequences, since there's easily enough health and ammo to kill every enemy in the game. Thief + Thief 2, now there's a series where you need stealth. "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.15f898736c0e9503989682@news...

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> > I tried the demo for RF and it was "ok", so I am biased as to whether I > will buy it or not. > On another note, I also tried the demo for No One Lives Forever recently > and thought it was really good, so I broke down and bought it. It is a > very excellent FPS with a great story line, many hours of gameplay, and > stealth is a needed tactic instead of just killing everyone. > -- > Skotty Flynn > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

Not "entirely" optional, as many of the missions require you to either not be detected, or no alarm can sound. If they do the mission fails and you need to reload a saved game. Yes the Thief series rules. :) On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:38:10 GMT, Simon Brown wrote:

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> Err...stealth is entirely optional :) My dad played NOLF all the way > through without any stealth and the alarm blarring away all the time, for > which there are hardly any consequences, since there's easily enough health > and ammo to kill every enemy in the game. Thief + Thief 2, now there's a > series where you need stealth. > > "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.15f898736c0e9503989682@news... > > > > I tried the demo for RF and it was "ok", so I am biased as to whether I > > will buy it or not. > > On another note, I also tried the demo for No One Lives Forever recently > > and thought it was really good, so I broke down and bought it. It is a > > very excellent FPS with a great story line, many hours of gameplay, and > > stealth is a needed tactic instead of just killing everyone. > > -- > > Skotty Flynn > > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > > >

-- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

Why not try Operation Flash Point? It's really great and more "sim-like", you have to think before shoot. Cheers, JeDa "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get thewheel > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shootersbut > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the third > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that could dish > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USAToday's

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> Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There's a > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think is from > this game. It looks to rock! > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > DC > >

Yes; sorry I forgot NOLF. It's charming, witty, and intelligent. A far cry from the mindless shoot-em-up 'murder simulators' that comprise most FPS's. "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.15f898736c0e9503989682@news...

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> In article <Q0Aj7.394973$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > The forthcoming Red Faction (to > > be released mid-Sept.) also looks promising. > > I tried the demo for RF and it was "ok", so I am biased as to whether I > will buy it or not. > On another note, I also tried the demo for No One Lives Forever recently > and thought it was really good, so I broke down and bought it. It is a > very excellent FPS with a great story line, many hours of gameplay, and > stealth is a needed tactic instead of just killing everyone. > -- > Skotty Flynn > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

Yes, Thief was great. It's hard to believe a company as talented as Looking Glass (also responsible for the excellent Flight Unltd.) could go TU. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mOJj7.55120$[email hidden]... > Err...stealth is entirely optional :) My dad played NOLF all the way > through without any stealth and the alarm blarring away all the time, for > which there are hardly any consequences, since there's easily enoughhealth

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> and ammo to kill every enemy in the game. Thief + Thief 2, now there's a > series where you need stealth. > > "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.15f898736c0e9503989682@news... > > > > I tried the demo for RF and it was "ok", so I am biased as to whether I > > will buy it or not. > > On another note, I also tried the demo for No One Lives Forever recently > > and thought it was really good, so I broke down and bought it. It is a > > very excellent FPS with a great story line, many hours of gameplay, and > > stealth is a needed tactic instead of just killing everyone. > > -- > > Skotty Flynn > > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > >

'Cuz the gfx, motion capture & acting are amateurish? "JeDa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:otKj7.136683$[email hidden]...

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> Why not try Operation Flash Point? It's really great and more "sim-like", > you have to think before shoot. > > Cheers, > JeDa > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get the > wheel > > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shooters > but > > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the

third > > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that coulddish > > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA > Today's > > Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There'sa > > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think isfrom

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> > this game. It looks to rock! > > > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > > > DC > > > > > >

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > Hmm, not really. They are all action games, but there is too big a difference > > between FPS and third-person games. I didn't buy MP only because it is the latter. > > Hey Ronny, have you tried Operation FlashPoint yet? Very cool FPS. I tried it, but it's too realistic for me (it's almost a freakin' sim ;) OTOH, I still play Kingpin exclusively in RealMode. Sadly, this mode isn't too popular with the kids, so the number of servers is very small. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

BUt most importantly nothing particularly bad, like bad AI suddenly appearing baddies from room you have just searched etc..... I remembered the soldier of fortune , almost immediately after you cleared an area the bad guys appear from behind you.... it was funny while it lasted Rob Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UBgj7.3919$[email hidden]...

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> My summary of Max Payne is as follows: it's just another first person > shooter (FPS) and not a particularly good one. It has a couple of gimmicks > ("Bullet Time") that have really sucked in the game reviewers but if you > look past that, it's the same as the rest. > > That being said, I played it through and enjoyed it quite a bit. I just > don't think it lives up to all the hype it has been given. The graphics

are > good but not spectacular, the game world is very bland andnon-interactive,

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> and the AI is not very good. The game is incredibly linear - there is only > ever one way to do something. And it's short. It took me maybe 15 hours of > game time to complete (I'm guessing there). And I explore *everything* - I > wasn't rushing through. The ending was very good I have to admit. > > Before MP, the last two FPS games I played were Thief II and Deus Ex (in > that order). These games spoiled me for any other FPS, and I hadn't played > another one since, until MP. MP is to either of those games like Need For > Speed is to GPL: pretty but shallow. > > If you like pure action you might not enjoy the Thief games (I and II) but > if you like having to sneak around instead of just killing everybody then

I > recommend you try these games - Thief II if you don't have time for both, > otherwise pick up Thief Gold and Thief II. > > Deus Ex isn't quite as "sneaky" as Thief, but it is just as good, if not > better. Max Payne tried to be like Deus Ex in some ways, but couldn'treach > that level. > > Everybody has raved about the graphics in MP but I'm not sure why - Iwasn't

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> that impressed. And I have a very fast PC (1.333 TBird, GeForce II Ultra, > etc.) so I had all options cranked. > > Anyway, that's my 2 (50?) cents. > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bngj7.28651$[email hidden]... > > I've been thinking lately about taking a break from racing and get the > wheel > > off my desk for a while. I've never been a fan of first person shooters > but > > I really had fun with Tomb Raider 2 as it's perspective was from the

third > > person. I thought how cool it would be to find a new game that coulddish > > out some killer graphics and push this Ghz box + 64MB GF2 to it's limit. > > > > I stumbled upon an article about a new title called Max Payne on USA > Today's > > Game Zone and am thinking about picking it up. It's third person, and > > supposedly kicks some serious arse in the graphics department. There'sa > > Matrix like sequence in the Mad Onioin 3DMark 2001 which I think isfrom

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> > this game. It looks to rock! > > > > Anybody here played with it? What do you think? > > > > DC > > > > > >

Thief simply has the best plot and most satisfying gameplay of any title out there. I'm nearing the end of Thief2 now, and it is also excellent, tho I miss the zombies :) Lift a cuppa at the Crippled Burrick tavern, you won't regret it! rms [email hidden]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:42:16 GMT, Roger Squires wrote: > Thief simply has the best plot and most satisfying gameplay of any title out > there. Agreed, one of the best games ever created. > I'm nearing the end of Thief2 now, and it is also excellent, tho I > miss the zombies :) I did too when I played Thief2. The robots get somewhat annoying after a while IMO. It was sad to see LGS go belly up, but at the same time I was glad to hear that the series will continue with Thief3. -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com