Advice on wheel/pedals combo

After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave it to you to conclude who made the choices). We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. Paul

If you want something that will last go with the ActLabs. TSW is another option. How seriously are you going to get involved? That's the real question. Phil. retropaul <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > Paul

"retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > it to you to conclude who made the choices). Smart kid! ;-) Bart Westra

if i had not of purchased the Microsoft FF wheel, my next choice was Logitech Wingman with force feedback. The Microsoft Wheel and petals really take the "driving !" not cheap flimsy stuff there. The clamping method Microsoft uses really 'nails' the wheel down to the desk, I can slam that wheel around and not move the "dash board" !! 8^) same goes for the pedals - full slam brakes - slam the throttle - no breaks,chips,cracks. ** the FF wheel and pedals are worth the price. - of course if you can get it on sale - all the better. mine was probably the last joystick port model - but that is what i prefer instead of the usb. If I was purchasing today - and the only choice i had was usb - and Logitech had the joystick port model - i would have purchased the Logitech FF wheel - then maybe designed my own clamping mechanism. ** keep the Digital FF stick to, in NFS you can cut many seconds off your lap time with that one !! hope this helps, ** No Fate ** cheers, dracman Tomb Raider: Shotgun City http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm http://www.smokeypoint.com/tombraider1pictures.htm http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm NFS: drive at the limits of tyre adhesion ! snag Lara's Croftraider IV sports car ! ! NFS3:NFS4 http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#raider ======================== 3DFX {voodoo1 api} is contained in the GF3 NVIDIA graphics chipset http://www.smokeypoint.com/flash.htm ====================================== "retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > Paul

Phil makes a good point. You can go about as high as $1000 for a TSW wheel or as low as about $80+ for an MS or TM etc. wheel. Try to look at the time you'll use it for now and move from there! Bottom line: Get the most bang for the $buck$ in what you need!! Good luck.. -Thom_j. "Phil Redman" wrote:

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| If you want something that will last go with the ActLabs. TSW is another | option. How seriously are you going to get involved? That's the real | question. | | Phil. | | | retropaul wrote: | > After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies | > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave | > it to you to conclude who made the choices). | > | > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this | > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've | > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. | > | > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and | > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from | > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? | > | > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. | > | > Paul | |

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I have the new Logitech FF GP and they really aren't as bad as what people say. They seem light and cheap but work great, no problems yet. I also hear that the pedals on the new GP are better than the old ones. If your going to use it a lot I would go for the Act Labs. I'm planning to switch myself as I race a lot and what a top end unit. Only problem is that Act Labs is on back order. I am currently getting setup as an Act Labs dealer for Eastern Canada so if your in Canada let me know. "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3zpj7.409568$[email hidden]...

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> The *old* Logi WMFF wheel & pedals was great; the new version sux CO2. > > "Dr. Richard Cranium" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > if i had not of purchased the Microsoft FF wheel, my next choice was > > > > Logitech Wingman with force feedback. > > > > The Microsoft Wheel and petals really take the "driving !" not cheap > flimsy > > stuff there. > > The clamping method Microsoft uses really 'nails' the wheel down to the > desk, I > > can slam that wheel around and not move the "dash board" !! 8^) > > same goes for the pedals - full slam brakes - slam the throttle - no > > breaks,chips,cracks. > > ** the FF wheel and pedals are worth the price. - of course if you can

get > it on > > sale - all the better. > > mine was probably the last joystick port model - but that is what iprefer > > instead of the usb. If I was purchasing today - and the only choice ihad > was > > usb - and Logitech had the joystick port model - i would have purchased > the > > Logitech FF wheel - then maybe designed my own clamping mechanism. > > > > ** keep the Digital FF stick to, in NFS you can cut many seconds offyour

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> lap > > time with that one !! > > > > > > hope this helps, > > > > > > ** No Fate ** > > > > cheers, > > dracman > > Tomb Raider: Shotgun City > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/tombraider1pictures.htm > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm > > > > > > NFS: drive at the limits of tyre adhesion ! snag Lara's Croftraider IV > sports > > car ! ! NFS3:NFS4 > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#raider > > > > ======================== > > 3DFX {voodoo1 api} is contained in the GF3 NVIDIA graphics chipset > > http://www.smokeypoint.com/flash.htm > > ====================================== > > > > > > "retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up

copies > > > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > > > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > > > > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > > > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > > > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to getme. > > > > > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheeland

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> > > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > > > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > > > > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > >

The *old* Logi WMFF wheel & pedals was great; the new version sux CO2. "Dr. Richard Cranium" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > if i had not of purchased the Microsoft FF wheel, my next choice was > > Logitech Wingman with force feedback. > > The Microsoft Wheel and petals really take the "driving !" not cheapflimsy > stuff there. > The clamping method Microsoft uses really 'nails' the wheel down to thedesk, I > can slam that wheel around and not move the "dash board" !! 8^) > same goes for the pedals - full slam brakes - slam the throttle - no > breaks,chips,cracks. > ** the FF wheel and pedals are worth the price. - of course if you can getit on > sale - all the better. > mine was probably the last joystick port model - but that is what i prefer > instead of the usb. If I was purchasing today - and the only choice i hadwas > usb - and Logitech had the joystick port model - i would have purchasedthe > Logitech FF wheel - then maybe designed my own clamping mechanism. > > ** keep the Digital FF stick to, in NFS you can cut many seconds off yourlap

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> time with that one !! > > > hope this helps, > > > ** No Fate ** > > cheers, > dracman > Tomb Raider: Shotgun City > http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm > http://www.smokeypoint.com/tombraider1pictures.htm > http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm > http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm > > > NFS: drive at the limits of tyre adhesion ! snag Lara's Croftraider IV

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> car ! ! NFS3:NFS4 > http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#raider > > ======================== > 3DFX {voodoo1 api} is contained in the GF3 NVIDIA graphics chipset > http://www.smokeypoint.com/flash.htm > ====================================== > > > "retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. > > > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and > > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > > > Paul > >

I got an email from them yesterday and they said that only the shifter is available for immediate delivery. Probably changes on a frequent basis now that they are shipping back orders. How do you like the wheel? "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:45:07 -0300, "Schooner" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have the new Logitech FF GP and they really aren't as bad as whatpeople > >say. They seem light and cheap but work great, no problems yet. I also > >hear that the pedals on the new GP are better than the old ones. > >If your going to use it a lot I would go for the Act Labs. I'm planningto > >switch myself as I race a lot and what a top end unit. Only problem isthat

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> >Act Labs is on back order. I am currently getting setup as an Act Labs > >dealer for Eastern Canada so if your in Canada let me know. > > I got an Act Labs Force RS without backordering (with a Shifter). Only > the clutch pedal set is on pre-order, but I got the wheel in a week or > 2. (I'm at the other end of the big sea) > > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:45:07 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have the new Logitech FF GP and they really aren't as bad as what people >say. They seem light and cheap but work great, no problems yet. I also >hear that the pedals on the new GP are better than the old ones. >If your going to use it a lot I would go for the Act Labs. I'm planning to >switch myself as I race a lot and what a top end unit. Only problem is that >Act Labs is on back order. I am currently getting setup as an Act Labs >dealer for Eastern Canada so if your in Canada let me know.

I got an Act Labs Force RS without backordering (with a Shifter). Only the clutch pedal set is on pre-order, but I got the wheel in a week or 2. (I'm at the other end of the big sea) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mznj7.152410$[email hidden]... > Phil makes a good point. You can go about as high as $1000 for a > TSW wheel or as low as about $80+ for an MS or TM etc. wheel. > Try to look at the time you'll use it for now and move from there! > Bottom line: Get the most bang for the $buck$ in what you need!! > Good luck.. -Thom_j. > Now Thom, don't scare him like that! My TSW2 Cup even after adding the split-axis was still less than $500...barely. LOL Back OT though, I have used Thrustmaster (T2) and Logitech (LWFF) wheels in the past and they were ok, but twere I looking for what I call a "consumer" level wheel today I would look at the Act-Labs units. I'd probably get their Force RS and just not use the FF, I hear the wheel itself is fairly smooth and FF being a "taste" thing that I don't have a taste for any longer. Just do yourself a favor and follow your instincts, you will need a wheel to really enjoy those software titles. Simracer

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:53:45 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I got an email from them yesterday and they said that only the shifter is >available for immediate delivery. Weird. Perhaps there are differences in the type of wheel; with FF the situation may be different. >Probably changes on a frequent basis now that they are shipping back orders. >How do you like the wheel? It looks great, and the shifter works ok, even when hotplugging it in (it immediately swaps some buttons around), but I have a problem with this one in that it only centers when I pull the wheel left; it generally (when turned off) has the feel that it wants to go to the right much easier than it wants to go the left (much more friction going to the left). I emailed them about it (they respond quite quickly; in a day or 2) and they said it's the cartridge, so I can send that back for a replacement. I'll try replugging the cartridge one more time and if it still acts (pun not intended) weird then I'll send the cartridge back to Canada for a replacement. Too bad; it would be a nice push to get that Shifter support in Racer. ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

I'm sorry Simracer for being the one to break it to the poor guy but you must admit I did tell him there were $80+ jobbers too! haha :) Since you are giving your "I have" wheel info out I will too.. I have the Thrustmaster aka Guillemot FFB Ferrari Race Wheel & love it! I beat the crap out of it too and I have burnt one out in a year.. All I did was call "Guillemot" and got a brand new one with the return of my oldie.. Not bad...eh?? and they are only about $130 USD :) P.S. My old ones were TM GP1 & Sprint +a TSW2 momo wheel "SimRacer" wrote: | Now Thom, don't scare him like that! My TSW2 Cup even after adding the | split-axis was still less than $500...barely. LOL | | Back OT though, I have used Thrustmaster (T2) and Logitech (LWFF) wheelsin | the past and they were ok, but twere I looking for what I call a"consumer" | level wheel today I would look at the Act-Labs units. I'd probably gettheir | Force RS and just not use the FF, I hear the wheel itself is fairly smooth | and FF being a "taste" thing that I don't have a taste for any longer. | | Just do yourself a favor and follow your instincts, you will need a wheelto

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| really enjoy those software titles. | | Simracer | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:mznj7.152410$[email hidden]... | > Phil makes a good point. You can go about as high as $1000 for a | > TSW wheel or as low as about $80+ for an MS or TM etc. wheel. | > Try to look at the time you'll use it for now and move from there! | > Bottom line: Get the most bang for the $buck$ in what you need!! | > Good luck.. -Thom_j. | >

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In article <3zpj7.409568$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: > The *old* Logi WMFF wheel & pedals was great; the new version sux CO2. This is the conventional wisdom, but I have to differ. Now, I've never tried the new version, so I can't comment on that. But I bought one of the old ones on the recommendation of numerous people, and, quite frankly, I hate it. o The pedals are beyond useless. They have no travel whatsoever. o The wheel is "sticky"-- as you turn it, it sticks, then frees, then sticks again, then frees again. When trying to make fine adjustments, you never know how much force you're going to have to apply to the wheel to get it to move, so I'd always end up applying too much or too little. This doesn't do much for your control. o The shifter paddles are flimsy. o The shifter paddles are awkward to reach with hands on the wheel. I'd end up with my fingers stretched strangely, which gives me weird cramps in my palms after a few minutes. Maybe I just have weird hands, but this is how it is for me. o The wheel itself doesn't have enough range of motion. My old Thrustmaster T2 (which I have gone back to) turns through about 270 degrees. The LWFF barely does 180. This makes the car twitchier and harder to control. o The desk clamp is so large and bulky that it blocks my keyboard tray. Now I know that a lot of this stuff can be fixed. I've seen Alison's page on how to get more range of motion out of the wheel, another on how to modify the pedals to get more range out of them, and still another on a ball-bearing kit to make it smoother. But I'd rather have one that is decent in the first place. I'll probably replace my T2 soon because it's falling apart. But the LWFF is not the answer for me. Frankly, the T2 is perfect, when it works. But it breaks its pedal springs constantly, which is really annoying. And now my pots are going. Oh, and if it helps anyone relate, my experience with these wheels is all in GPL. Marc

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:38:27 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >It looks great, and the shifter works ok, even when hotplugging it in >(it immediately swaps some buttons around), but I have a problem with >this one in that it only centers when I pull the wheel left; it >generally (when turned off) has the feel that it wants to go to the >right much easier than it wants to go the left (much more friction >going to the left). To follow up on myself, I noticed the weirdest thing; when I *unplug* the cartridge, the wheel behaves normal (this is all when powered off). When I plug in the cartridge, which has no direct physical connection to the wheel, it starts behaving frictional to the left. I'm going insane! ;-) Like a power plant inside the wheel or something. Now that the cartridge is out the wheel feels ok?!?!? Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

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> This is the conventional wisdom, but I have to differ. Now, I've never > tried the new version, so I can't comment on that. But I bought one of > the old ones on the recommendation of numerous people, and, quite frankly, > I hate it. > > o The pedals are beyond useless. They have no travel whatsoever. > o The wheel is "sticky"-- as you turn it, it sticks, then frees, > then sticks again, then frees again. When trying to make fine > adjustments, you never know how much force you're going to > have to apply to the wheel to get it to move, so I'd always end > up applying too much or too little. This doesn't do much for > your control.

You had one with a bent motor shaft, you could have returned it, but I guess you had no idea what was wrong. > o The shifter paddles are flimsy. Mine have had daily use for TWO years now, and still not showing any sign of wear. > o The shifter paddles are awkward to reach with hands on the wheel. > I'd end up with my fingers stretched strangely, which gives me > weird cramps in my palms after a few minutes. Maybe I just have > weird hands, but this is how it is for me. You could well have strange hands! I've never heard that commented about the LWFF before

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> o The wheel itself doesn't have enough range of motion. My old > Thrustmaster T2 (which I have gone back to) turns through about > 270 degrees. The LWFF barely does 180. This makes the car > twitchier and harder to control. > o The desk clamp is so large and bulky that it blocks my keyboard > tray. > > Now I know that a lot of this stuff can be fixed. I've seen Alison's > page on how to get more range of motion out of the wheel, another on how > to modify the pedals to get more range out of them, and still another > on a ball-bearing kit to make it smoother. But I'd rather have one that > is decent in the first place.

The 3rd party support is what makes the LWFF the best IMO. > I'll probably replace my T2 soon because > it's falling apart. How old is it? > Frankly, the T2 is perfect, when it works. Hmmm...right.... > But it breaks its pedal > springs constantly, which is really annoying. And now my pots are > going. My LWFF pot are two years old, same ones that came with the unit. It really is a design classic imo. Looks good and drive beautifully, plus it's durable too. Infact I love mine so much that I'm getting a second-hand, hardly used one for £50, I'll add a bearing kit to it and keep it as a spare. I agree with you about the pedals though, which is why I replaced mine with these beauties: http://www.wave.co.nz/~lakewood/Redline2.htm Cheers Gerry

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> I have the new Logitech FF GP and they really aren't as bad as what people > say. They seem light and cheap but work great, no problems yet. I also > hear that the pedals on the new GP are better than the old ones. > If your going to use it a lot I would go for the Act Labs. I'm planning to > switch myself as I race a lot and what a top end unit. Only problem is that > Act Labs is on back order. I am currently getting setup as an Act Labs > dealer for Eastern Canada so if your in Canada let me know. >

I have one of these. The plastic screws used to loosen during play. But I fixed it with a kludge, which I haven't advertised in a while, so here it is again: http://www.theappleyards.com/lwffgp Actually it's in my attic now, since I picked up an original LWFF from justdeals.com last winter. -- Doug Appleyard - e-mail address expires 12/01/01 "Got us a Dirt Track Date - Demolition derby figure 8" -- Southern Culture on the Skids -- www.scots.com

Just curious as to why you don't run your TSW any longer? Lack of FF? I find it to be the smoothest wheel I have ever used short of that found in a Buick Park Ave ULTRA or a Caddy, lol. I have sowrn off FF, just a personal choice. I never found it (FF) to be that good in the Papy line anyway, which is my primary focus with racing sims. I gave it a fair shot though, had my LWFF for about 9 months of hard use. I still like the Thrustmaster line (regardless of who makes them) I guess it goes to back to my first wheel being that old Thrusty T2. After driving N1 for 2 weeks with the keyboard, that wheel was like a gift from the heavens...one of my league mates is still using that T2 with a 3rd set of pots and a 3rd bungy. Have a great Labor Day Sim Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fxtj7.153488$[email hidden]...

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> I'm sorry Simracer for being the one to break it to the poor guy but > you must admit I did tell him there were $80+ jobbers too! haha :) > Since you are giving your "I have" wheel info out I will too.. I have > the Thrustmaster aka Guillemot FFB Ferrari Race Wheel & love it! > I beat the crap out of it too and I have burnt one out in a year.. All > I did was call "Guillemot" and got a brand new one with the return > of my oldie.. Not bad...eh?? and they are only about $130 USD :) > P.S. My old ones were TM GP1 & Sprint +a TSW2 momo wheel > > "SimRacer" wrote: > | Now Thom, don't scare him like that! My TSW2 Cup even after adding the > | split-axis was still less than $500...barely. LOL > | > | Back OT though, I have used Thrustmaster (T2) and Logitech (LWFF) wheels > in > | the past and they were ok, but twere I looking for what I call a > "consumer" > | level wheel today I would look at the Act-Labs units. I'd probably get > their > | Force RS and just not use the FF, I hear the wheel itself is fairly

smooth > | and FF being a "taste" thing that I don't have a taste for any longer. > | > | Just do yourself a favor and follow your instincts, you will need awheel

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> to > | really enjoy those software titles. > | > | Simracer > > | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:mznj7.152410$[email hidden]... > | > Phil makes a good point. You can go about as high as $1000 for a > | > TSW wheel or as low as about $80+ for an MS or TM etc. wheel. > | > Try to look at the time you'll use it for now and move from there! > | > Bottom line: Get the most bang for the $buck$ in what you need!! > | > Good luck.. -Thom_j. > | > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 > >

Well SimRacer, the TSW2 was ok but remember I use my hands for gas-brake and the TSW2 seemed to be a little 'clunky-ish' big for me. Now you have to remember I have limited space & my Ferrari wheel just works perfectly for my needs. On FF verses Non'FF, One would have been here a year before my Ferrari but since I must have gas-brake paddles it was awhile before the TM Ferrari came out, but once it did, it's Aces for me! I cut my PB GPL times at least a sec on each track in a week... So this dude will never go back to Non'FF as the FF lets me feel more of what I would expect to feel in a real car or at least it fools me too!..lol :) So the TSW2 is fine but the FF & the Ferrari Wheel cant be beat in my book!! I actually now have one I use and one always in the box just in case the one I'm using now goes on the blink!! and yes I am obcessive.. :) Happy Labor Day 2 U 2 & 2 all the others that celebrate it 2 :) Cheers -Thom_j. "SimRacer" wrote: | Just curious as to why you don't run your TSW any longer? Lack of FF? Ifind | it to be the smoothest wheel I have ever used short of that found in aBuick | Park Ave ULTRA or a Caddy, lol. I have sowrn off FF, just a personalchoice. | I never found it (FF) to be that good in the Papy line anyway, which is my | primary focus with racing sims. I gave it a fair shot though, had my LWFF | for about 9 months of hard use. | | I still like the Thrustmaster line (regardless of who makes them) I guessit

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| goes to back to my first wheel being that old Thrusty T2. After driving N1 | for 2 weeks with the keyboard, that wheel was like a gift from the | heavens...one of my league mates is still using that T2 with a 3rd set of | pots and a 3rd bungy. | | Have a great Labor Day | | Sim | | | Thom j. wrote: | > I'm sorry Simracer for being the one to break it to the poor guy but | > you must admit I did tell him there were $80+ jobbers too! haha :) | > Since you are giving your "I have" wheel info out I will too.. I have | > the Thrustmaster aka Guillemot FFB Ferrari Race Wheel & love it! | > I beat the crap out of it too and I have burnt one out in a year.. All | > I did was call "Guillemot" and got a brand new one with the return | > of my oldie.. Not bad...eh?? and they are only about $130 USD :) | > P.S. My old ones were TM GP1 & Sprint +a TSW2 momo wheel | > | > "SimRacer" wrote: | > | Now Thom, don't scare him like that! My TSW2 Cup even after adding the | > | split-axis was still less than $500...barely. LOL | > | | > | Back OT though, I have used Thrustmaster (T2) and Logitech (LWFF)

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| > in | > | the past and they were ok, but twere I looking for what I call a | > "consumer" | > | level wheel today I would look at the Act-Labs units. I'd probably get | > their | > | Force RS and just not use the FF, I hear the wheel itself is fairly | smooth | > | and FF being a "taste" thing that I don't have a taste for any longer. | > | | > | Just do yourself a favor and follow your instincts, you will need a | wheel | > to | > | really enjoy those software titles. | > | | > | Simracer | > | > | Thom j. wrote: | > | > Phil makes a good point. You can go about as high as $1000 for a | > | > TSW wheel or as low as about $80+ for an MS or TM etc. wheel. | > | > Try to look at the time you'll use it for now and move from there! | > | > Bottom line: Get the most bang for the $buck$ in what you need!! | > | > Good luck.. -Thom_j. | > | > | >

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I read those thrustmaster Ferrari 360 Force Feedback wheel combos (along with the non-FF wheels) are really nice. I still use my Thrustmaster Formula T2 that I've been using for a few years now and to tell you the truth I haven't found another wheel that offered the cushy and very nice rubber steering wheel. They're normally very plastic feeling. However, the Thrustmaster Ferrari wheels (I'm sure the Nascar ones do too) have the rubberized steering wheel too. Plus the price range is from $49 to $129. That's really, really competitive for the price. No, I don't work for Thrustmaster, but I am a very satisfied user. "retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > Paul

yeah !! i got this wheel and it's the best !! the microsoft isn't as good at it .. "nathantw" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: ZejA7.47464$[email hidden]... > I read those thrustmaster Ferrari 360 Force Feedback wheel combos (along > with the non-FF wheels) are really nice. I still use my ThrustmasterFormula

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> T2 that I've been using for a few years now and to tell you the truth I > haven't found another wheel that offered the cushy and very nice rubber > steering wheel. They're normally very plastic feeling. However, the > Thrustmaster Ferrari wheels (I'm sure the Nascar ones do too) have the > rubberized steering wheel too. Plus the price range is from $49 to $129. > That's really, really competitive for the price. > > No, I don't work for Thrustmaster, but I am a very satisfied user. > > "retropaul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > After a long time on flight sims and strategy games, I picked up copies > > of GPL, NFS:PU, VR, CART, NL, and N3 for myself and my kid (I'll leave > > it to you to conclude who made the choices). > > > > We've been using the big Microsoft Force Feedback stick, but this > > presents obvious limitations in driving sims. However, next week I've > > got a birthday coming up, and my wife can't think of anything to get me. > > > > Seems to me this sets the stage to ask for a good PC steering wheel and > > pedals combination. Is there any frontrunner among the offerings from > > Act Labs, MSFT, Logitech, or any one else? > > > > Sorry if this has been asked and answered a million times before. > > > > Paul > >

I love my dexxa, it was a gift. It's comfortable, does the job, looks cool enough and was priced right(I'm told). Piper. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Friends help you move......Best friends help you move a body ------------------------------------------------------------