Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, then I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released in November. Damn this looks promising! Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS have heard that a thousand times before. Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback? Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man what a surprise this would be!!! David Cook

From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'. Alex "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,then > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be releasedin > November. Damn this looks promising! > > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAShave

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> heard that a thousand times before. > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback? > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man > what a surprise this would be!!! > > David Cook > > >

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:55:29 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: >From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's >no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as >a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'. Then it will suit me..:) if that means it's just a little RM'ish.... GPL isn't all, you know...I can't get under 1:44 on Monza...:( but I feel I am decent competition in RM online..:) still with keyboard..:) -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

The preview copy is not bad at all for what it is. From the best of my knowledge, only the NOVICE level physics are enabled in the preview copy I have (When you set a different level of physics and go back into the menu, its always defaulted to NOVICE) and they aren't that bad really. So if the more advanced level physics are done well, this could be an excellent sim. Even as early a working version that the preview copy is, it's better than some final products I have seen. ;) Scott PA-Scott http://www.PowerSimsMag.com "Thore Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:55:29 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview versionit's > >no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics describedas

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> >a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'. > > Then it will suit me..:) if that means it's just a little RM'ish.... > GPL isn't all, you know...I can't get under 1:44 on Monza...:( but I > feel I am decent competition in RM online..:) still with keyboard..:) > > -- > Med venlig hilsen / Best regards > Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with the throttle. And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. -Ilari "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5hpl7.26662$[email hidden]... > From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview versionit's > no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics describedas

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> a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'. > > Alex > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... > > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, > then > > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at > > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be

released > in > > November. Damn this looks promising! > > > > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. > > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics,and > > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS > have > > heard that a thousand times before. > > > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the ForceFeedback? > > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... > > > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only > > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too!Man

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> > what a surprise this would be!!! > > > > David Cook > > > > > > > >

Ilari - Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right (6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO. - David "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9n5cf1$iia$[email hidden]...

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> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly > power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it > wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. > If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much > easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) > > We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want > it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, > mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car > from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful

with > the throttle. > > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > > -Ilari >

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> > Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly > power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it > wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. > If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much > easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) > > We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want > it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, > mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car > from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with > the throttle.

Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ? Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got perhaps ? Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-), Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-) Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-) > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:24:12 +0300, "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much >easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)And much more fun powersliding on those non-tarmac roads..:)

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> >We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want >it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, >mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car >from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with >the throttle. > >And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

If its good enough for ol'Paddy, its sure enjoyable for (most of ) the readers of r.a.s...:) -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:01:52 -0400, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, then >I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at >http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released in >November. Damn this looks promising!<Snip> I'm looking forward to this one too.. graphics look superb and the choice of cars is great. Buuuut someone who's opinion I respect very much tested the Alpha version and was completely disappointed with it. Quite a bummer when I read his report, reminded me of myself when I tried SoS37 for the first time after all the hype. I was really surprised because the guys from Bugbear do seem to know how it should be done. So let's hope the Alpha version was nothing like the final version. Rally Trophy should be a winner.. the concept is too good to turn it into another SoS37 disappointment. Please don't let me down Bugbear.. please :)) Andre

It's not "arcadish" at all -- some of the physics paramters may be a bit overdone (the brakes seem a bit too effective at this point), but the preview version doesn't have all the bells and whistles, so I'm willing to bet that the final version is MUCH better . . . and the preview is very, VERY good. It doesn't remind me of any sim, FWIW -- what it reminds me of is blasting along the gravel-and-asphalt backroads of my youth in my '72 Opel Manta. As someone else said, you just can't compare the cars being modeled with a 1967 Grand Prix car . . . but compared to what they're supposed to be modeling, RT may well be up in the GPL league. -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:55:29 GMT, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's >no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as >a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'. > >Alex > >"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... >> I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, >then >> I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at >> http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released >in >> November. Damn this looks promising! >> >> Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. >> Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and >> how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS >have >> heard that a thousand times before. >> >> Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback? >> Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... >> >> With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only >> question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man >> what a surprise this would be!!! >> >> David Cook >> >> >> > >

Ah! Another former Opel Manta owner! GREAT fun! FWIW, I agree that I couldn't have driven my Manta like I can the Escort in RT, but I believe the Escort has a bit more horsepower than my Manta did. I am also taking into account the fact that the Escort that's modeled in RT is actually a rally-prepared car, not a roadgoing car like my old Manta. All things considered, I'd still rate RT pretty high compared to my own real-life experiences in my Manta. Also FWIW, I will be posting my own preview on the BHMS site soon (shortly after I get done with the F1 2001 preview). ;-) -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:43:03 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Ilari Lehtinen wrote: >> >> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly >> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it >> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. >> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much >> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) >> >> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want >> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, >> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car >> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with >> the throttle. > >Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship >out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ? > >Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got >perhaps ? > >Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I >still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything >like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going >to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-), >Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-) > >Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I >happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be >the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was >something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta >with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest >stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have >driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort > >All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my >Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-) > >> And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > >Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! ;-) -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:48:58 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:01:52 -0400, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, then >>I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at >>http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released in >>November. Damn this looks promising! ><Snip> > >I'm looking forward to this one too.. graphics look superb and the >choice of cars is great. >Buuuut someone who's opinion I respect very much tested the Alpha >version and was completely disappointed with it. Quite a bummer when I >read his report, reminded me of myself when I tried SoS37 for the >first time after all the hype. >I was really surprised because the guys from Bugbear do seem to know >how it should be done. > >So let's hope the Alpha version was nothing like the final version. >Rally Trophy should be a winner.. the concept is too good to turn it >into another SoS37 disappointment. > >Please don't let me down Bugbear.. please :)) > >Andre

Yeah, but Paddy could actually drive ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > > Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy http://www.spamkiller.com

Driver is thrown about inside, and camera moves accordingly. :) -Ilari "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> > Ilari - > > Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right > (6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO. > > - David >

It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :). I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure. -Ilari Goy Larsen wrote:

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> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship > out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ? > > Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got > perhaps ? > > Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I > still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything > like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going > to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-), > Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-) > > Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I > happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be > the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was > something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta > with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest > stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have > driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort > > All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my > Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-) > > > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > > Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

The answer is a resounding "yes" -- in a very realistic manner, too. All that is needed for the experience to be complete, in fact, is for my wife to stand behind me with a cookie sheet and smack me over the head occasionally to properly simulate my head hitting the roof of the car! ;-) -- JB On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:35:11 -0400, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ilari - > >Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right >(6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO. > >- David > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9n5cf1$iia$[email hidden]... >> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly >> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it >> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. >> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much >> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) >> >> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want >> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's, >> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car >> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful >with >> the throttle. >> >> And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. >> >> -Ilari >> > > > >

John Bodin wrote: > > Ah! Another former Opel Manta owner! GREAT fun! They sure are, I still have mine, but it's not roadworthy by any stretch of the imagination, I bought the car in late 95 and it has seen a lot of abuse since then and the body has all but returned to mother nature....I guess stiff springs and shocks and frequent abuse on forest stages" as well as the local track did it's part, but then again, Opel has never been known to be rust proof...:-), your old 72 probably has less rust than my 86 :-) > FWIW, I agree that I couldn't have driven my Manta like I can the > Escort in RT, but I believe the Escort has a bit more horsepower than > my Manta did. I am also taking into account the fact that the Escort > that's modeled in RT is actually a rally-prepared car, not a roadgoing > car like my old Manta. All things considered, I'd still rate RT > pretty high compared to my own real-life experiences in my Manta. Well, FWIW, my Manta isn't much down on HP to Escort included here and is probably well up on torque from it's 2.7 engine (courtesy of Mantzel Opel Tuning :-), and it has also seen a lot of "development" work going into it's suspension, with progressive raising rate springs, adjustable Koni's, LSD, harder suspension bushings...etc, and there's just no way that *I* could have driven it like I can the Escort in RT This doesn't mean that I think they've gotten it "wrong", or that it's "arcade", just that it's parameters, or whatever they use to tune the physics, flatters the driver, I'm very much reminded of NFS:PU when I drive these cars and find myself being able to take corners in a way I just can't see myself doing in real life, at least not with as little seat time as I've had with this one yet, which will increase a lot when it's released as this is something I'm looking forward to, and I did what I said in the review, went back to more driving as soon as the article was done :-), now if I could just get my hands on a version with the Lancia Fulvia HF in it I'd be a happy man :-) > Also FWIW, I will be posting my own preview on the BHMS site soon > (shortly after I get done with the F1 2001 preview). Beat you this time didn't we :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

COOL! I read your post Ilari, on the Act Labs forum that RS Shifter support and Analog Clutch are in the plan as well. I hope everything is going well with the development to support those features. Sounds like you guys have a WINNER here. Can't wait!!! - David "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Driver is thrown about inside, and camera moves accordingly. :) > > -Ilari > > "David L. Cook" wrote: > > > > Ilari - > > > > Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and

right > > (6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO. > > > > - David > >

I had an '73 Opel "GT" back in mid seventies. Great little car! I sold it to a girl who could barely see over the dash - so I gave her a phone book to sit on - TRUE! - David "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Bodin wrote: > > > > Ah! Another former Opel Manta owner! GREAT fun! > > They sure are, I still have mine, but it's not roadworthy by any stretch > of the imagination, I bought the car in late 95 and it has seen a lot of > abuse since then and the body has all but returned to mother nature....I > guess stiff springs and shocks and frequent abuse on forest stages" as > well as the local track did it's part, but then again, Opel has never > been known to be rust proof...:-), your old 72 probably has less rust > than my 86 :-)

John Bodin wrote: > > You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

No, no Andre -- don't trust him, trust ME!! On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:29:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>John Bodin wrote: >> >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! > >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >--Groucho Marx--

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:57:08 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote: >You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! > >;-) > >-- JB Err aren't you that guy who also praised Ford Racing and Sos'37? :D By the way John, is there any racing game out there you aren't beta-testing? :) And is your F2001 preview allready on the web somewhere? And how is the WSC beta? :) Cheers, and thanks for the good news!, Andre

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:29:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >John Bodin wrote: >> >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! > >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy?? :) Andre

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LOL! Touche on the Ford Racing and SoS comment!! <G> As for the rest, yes, there are a few -- WSC being among them . . . :-( Poor, poor, pitiful me, eh? ;-) -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:13:44 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:57:08 GMT, [email hidden] (John >Bodin) wrote: > >>You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! >> >>;-) >> >>-- JB > >Err aren't you that guy who also praised Ford Racing and Sos'37? :D >By the way John, is there any racing game out there you aren't >beta-testing? :) >And is your F2001 preview allready on the web somewhere? >And how is the WSC beta? :) > >Cheers, >and thanks for the good news!, >Andre >

I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's good words on SoS. No question -- NONE -- that out of the box, SoS is a STINKER. But give it a little love and a decent configuration utility, and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart, your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food (you're not eating that, right?), etc. No question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste. I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to be a purebred that sets the next standard for what driving titles are supposed to be about. At least that's what I'm hoping. On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:13:44 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:57:08 GMT, [email hidden] (John >Bodin) wrote: > >>You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! >> >>;-) >> >>-- JB > >Err aren't you that guy who also praised Ford Racing and Sos'37? :D >By the way John, is there any racing game out there you aren't >beta-testing? :) >And is your F2001 preview allready on the web somewhere? >And how is the WSC beta? :) > >Cheers, >and thanks for the good news!, >Andre >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Don't trust THEM, trust your fellow league racer me! Yes your the only person not previewing Rally Trophy ;) Anyway, I'm previewing it for specialstage.com soon, don't have it yet, but hopefully in the next week. It would only make sense as all the US Rally drivers go there (it's the US Rally HQ site). It gets 1.4 million hits per month, which is pretty good, should reach a lot of people :) Thanks, Alex Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:29:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >John Bodin wrote: > >> > >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! > > > >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) > > Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy?? > :) > > Andre > > > > > > > >Beers and cheers > >(uncle) Goy > > > >http://www.theuspits.com > >http://www.teammirage.com > > > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" > >--Groucho Marx-- >

Sickening, ain't it? ;-) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip> > Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing > Rally Trophy?? :)

but will you respect him in the morning? :)~ "John Bodin" wrote: | No, no Andre -- don't trust him, trust ME!! |Goy Larsen wrote:

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| >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) | > | >Beers and cheers | >(uncle) Goy | >John Bodin wrote: | >> | >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me!

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On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:35:46 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's >good words on SoS. No question -- NONE -- that >out of the box, SoS is a STINKER. But give it a >little love and a decent configuration utility, It didn't deserve my love :) Andre

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>and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart, >your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food >(you're not eating that, right?), etc. No >question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste. > >I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to >be a purebred that sets the next standard for what >driving titles are supposed to be about. At least >that's what I'm hoping. > >Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

>Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy?? > :) > Andre Now that you finally ask... yep. And trust me you won't be disappointed :) Mikkel

Well, Andre, do any of us "deserve" love? Hell, if that's how love got distributed... Let's just say *I* fell in love with SoS, for whatever reason, and misled poor, innocent John... :) I'm sure once Rally Trophy is released he'll be much better... On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 23:34:21 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:35:46 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >>I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's >>good words on SoS. No question -- NONE -- that >>out of the box, SoS is a STINKER. But give it a >>little love and a decent configuration utility, > >It didn't deserve my love :) > >Andre > > >>and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart, >>your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food >>(you're not eating that, right?), etc. No >>question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste. >> >>I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to >>be a purebred that sets the next standard for what >>driving titles are supposed to be about. At least >>that's what I'm hoping. > >> >>Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Ilari Lehtinen wrote: > > It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :). > I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but > physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure. Cool :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"David L. Cook" wrote: > > I had an '73 Opel "GT" back in mid seventies. Great little car! I sold it > to a girl who could barely see over the dash - so I gave her a phone book to > sit on - TRUE! Hey, pretty car indeed, "poor mans Shebly Daytona Coupe" :-) I was impressed by the high tech mechanism for raising the headlights btw...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:29:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >John Bodin wrote: > >> > >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! > > > >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) > > Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy?? > :)

ROFL, not beta testing, previewing......:-) I'd love to test a more recent build though, the early one we got showed so much promise I can't wait for this thing to be finished, or in this case Finnished ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Ian P wrote: > > Yeah, but Paddy could actually drive ;) ROFL, good one, even though I disagree, not about Paddy but about poor old Mark, oh well, that's for another thread I guess :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Hi Ilari, Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? Looking forward to your answers, Remco

I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT is that it won't mess you up for GPL. Most sims, once you've driven them for a few hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again. Not to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the same 'school'. Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable in an .ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass, usw.). The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoring cheats. It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by a huge margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for the whole stage. Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one. --Steve Smith "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,then > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be releasedin > November. Damn this looks promising! > > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAShave

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> heard that a thousand times before. > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback? > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man > what a surprise this would be!!! > > David Cook > > >

And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc. These guys are very controller-savvy. But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro rally cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos? --Steve "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RqJl7.441727$[email hidden]... > I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT isthat > it won't mess you up for GPL. Most sims, once you've driven them for afew > hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again.Not > to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the same > 'school'. Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable inan

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> .ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass, > usw.). > > The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoring cheats. > It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the > times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by a huge > margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for

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> whole stage. Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one. > > --Steve Smith > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... > > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, > then > > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at > > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be

released > in > > November. Damn this looks promising! > > > > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. > > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics,and > > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS > have > > heard that a thousand times before. > > > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the ForceFeedback? > > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... > > > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only > > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too!Man

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> > what a surprise this would be!!! > > > > David Cook > > > > > > > >

Stratos is in the game, where did you read it wasn't? :) -Ilari, texturing Stratos while writing this.. "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vsKl7.441817$[email hidden]... > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.These > guys are very controller-savvy. But, jeez, if they're gonna do retrorally

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> cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos? > > --Steve > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RqJl7.441727$[email hidden]... > > I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT is > that > > it won't mess you up for GPL. Most sims, once you've driven them for a > few > > hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again. > Not > > to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the

same > > 'school'. Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable in > an > > .ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass, > > usw.). > > > > The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoringcheats. > > It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the > > times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by ahuge

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> > margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for > the > > whole stage. Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Bxol7.83057$[email hidden]... > > > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, > > then > > > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at > > > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be > released > > in > > > November. Damn this looks promising! > > > > > > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV. > > > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, > and > > > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS > > have > > > heard that a thousand times before. > > > > > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force > Feedback? > > > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions... > > > > > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the

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> > > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! > Man > > > what a surprise this would be!!! > > > > > > David Cook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Stephen Smith wrote: > > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc. These > guys are very controller-savvy. But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro rally > cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos? Ah, another Lancisti or just a fan of the Stratos ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy, Ilari, Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). Must've missed the Stratos in the game specs. Still dead keen on RT however. When's it released? --Steve "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Stephen Smith wrote: > > > > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.These > > guys are very controller-savvy. But, jeez, if they're gonna do retrorally

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> > cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos? > > Ah, another Lancisti or just a fan of the Stratos ? :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:19:58 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote:

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>LOL! Touche on the Ford Racing and SoS comment!! <G> > >As for the rest, yes, there are a few -- WSC being among them . . . > >:-( > >Poor, poor, pitiful me, eh? > >;-)

Man what an evil looking smiley :) So, how about that F2001 preview? Very curious about this one.. Andre

Stephen Smith wrote: > > Goy, Ilari, > > Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent > car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). snip You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ??? Oh the horror of it all Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Ilari, Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview for the Blackhole Motorsports site. TIA! -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:40:19 +0300, Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :). >I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but >physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure. > >-Ilari > >Goy Larsen wrote: >> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship >> out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ? >> >> Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got >> perhaps ? >> >> Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I >> still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything >> like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going >> to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-), >> Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-) >> >> Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I >> happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be >> the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was >> something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta >> with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest >> stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have >> driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort >> >> All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my >> Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-) >> >> > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. >> >> Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) >> >> Beers and cheers >> (uncle) Goy >> >> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ >> >> * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >> "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Consider yourself lucky, Andre -- you're now a member of a VERY elite group . . . you are apparently one of the few "elitist snobs" who AREN'T doing a preview of Rally Trophy! :-p ;-) -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:15:11 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:29:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>John Bodin wrote: >>> >>> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! >> >>Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-) > >Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy?? >:) > >Andre > > >> >> >>Beers and cheers >>(uncle) Goy >> >>http://www.theuspits.com >>http://www.teammirage.com >> >>"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >>--Groucho Marx-- >

The preview's finished, and I have sent my screen shots off to EA for approval -- once I get that approval, the preview and screen shots will be submitted to the BHMS site. So hopefully you'll be able to see it in the next few days . . . ;-) -- JB On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:18:45 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:19:58 GMT, [email hidden] (John >Bodin) wrote: > >>LOL! Touche on the Ford Racing and SoS comment!! <G> >> >>As for the rest, yes, there are a few -- WSC being among them . . . >> >>:-( >> >>Poor, poor, pitiful me, eh? >> >>;-) > >Man what an evil looking smiley :) >So, how about that F2001 preview? Very curious about this one.. > >Andre > >

John Bodin wrote: > > Ilari, > > Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at > Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview > for the Blackhole Motorsports site. Can't you just copy ours ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Actually, SoS is one of those titles that DEMANDS love -- I have a love for the old Deusenbergs and Millers of that era, so I am MUCH more willing than most to suspend my disbelief enough to make SoS work for me. If you have no interest in the era, and if you didn't DESPERATELY want to like the SoS demo even after you tried it a few times, then it will probably never hold any appeal for you. <G> As for Ford Racing, I really liked the graphics (nicely-done and very realistic-looking overall), and I KNOW I can detect a nicely-functional physics engine at work there, but the sounds do not match up with the actions of the physics engine, which creates a MAJOR disconnect there. Add in bad control authority and the resultant end-product is a poor game that looks like it could have been a good little sim. :-( ;-) -- JB On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:35:46 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's >good words on SoS. No question -- NONE -- that >out of the box, SoS is a STINKER. But give it a >little love and a decent configuration utility, >and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart, >your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food >(you're not eating that, right?), etc. No >question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste. > >I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to >be a purebred that sets the next standard for what >driving titles are supposed to be about. At least >that's what I'm hoping. > >On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:13:44 GMT, Andre Warringa ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:57:08 GMT, [email hidden] (John >>Bodin) wrote: >> >>>You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me! >>> >>>;-) >>> >>>-- JB >> >>Err aren't you that guy who also praised Ford Racing and Sos'37? :D >>By the way John, is there any racing game out there you aren't >>beta-testing? :) >>And is your F2001 preview allready on the web somewhere? >>And how is the WSC beta? :) >> >>Cheers, >>and thanks for the good news!, >>Andre >> > > >Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be! :-P ;-) -- JB On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:53:23 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >John Bodin wrote: >> >> Ilari, >> >> Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at >> Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview >> for the Blackhole Motorsports site. > >Can't you just copy ours ? :-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:06:29 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Stephen Smith wrote: >> >> Goy, Ilari, >> >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent >> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). snip > >You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ??? > >Oh the horror of it all

What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14.. my first car, may she rest in peace :( Andre

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> > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hhNl7.433603$[email hidden]... > Goy, Ilari, > > Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent > car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). Must've missed the Stratosin > the game specs. Still dead keen on RT however. When's it released? > > --Steve > Not even the Delta S4? A car that lapped quick enough to be put 6th on the grid of the F1 Portuguese Grand Prix in 1986? John

Stephen Smith wrote: > > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc. These > guys are very controller-savvy. Steve -- Handbrake? Gerry

Gerry, "Handbrake?" I'm sure. --Steve "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Stephen Smith wrote: > > > > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.These > > guys are very controller-savvy. > > Steve -- Handbrake? > > Gerry

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> > Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be! > > :-P > > ;-) > > -- JB

ROFL, oh well, I tried at least Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

Actually, that was meant as a compliment -- YOU did a GOOD preview, while mine will be some rambling, boring thing that people will just read out of pity! ;-) -- JB On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:44:37 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>John Bodin wrote: >> >> Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be! >> >> :-P >> >> ;-) >> >> -- JB > >ROFL, oh well, I tried at least > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" >--Groucho Marx--

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> >"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:hhNl7.433603$[email hidden]... >> Goy, Ilari, >> >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent >> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). Must've missed the Stratos >in >> the game specs. Still dead keen on RT however. When's it released? >> >> --Steve >> > >Not even the Delta S4? A car that lapped quick enough to be put 6th on the >grid of the F1 Portuguese Grand Prix in 1986?

First of all (and without wanting to speak for the developers), I think Group B rallying is beyond the scope of Rally Trophy (i.e. pre-Driver's Cup/Championship). Secondly, can we get some firm sources regarding Henri Toivonen's alleged quick lap around Estoril? I have heard this anecdote repeated many times for many years and I still find it hard to swallow. As talented as Henri was and as monstrously powerful the S4 was, remember that the F1 cars were much more powerful (height of the turbo era), much lighter, had huge wings/diffusers, and qualifying slicks. 1986, incidentally, saw a dry qualifying session in Portugal. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

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> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:30:11 +0100, "JM" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:hhNl7.433603$[email hidden]... > >> Goy, Ilari, > >> > >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a

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> Secondly, can we get some firm sources regarding Henri > Toivonen's alleged quick lap around Estoril? I have heard this > anecdote repeated many times for many years and I still find it hard > to swallow. As talented as Henri was and as monstrously powerful the > S4 was, remember that the F1 cars were much more powerful (height of > the turbo era), much lighter, had huge wings/diffusers, and qualifying > slicks.

Likewise just something I read, I don't have figures. But I have read race reports from saloon races at Estoril where it seems some strange things can happen (eg minis outpacing 911's and 240z's). cheers John

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> On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:06:29 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Stephen Smith wrote: > >> > >> Goy, Ilari, > >> > >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent > >> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). snip > > > >You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ??? > > > >Oh the horror of it all > > What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14.. > my first car, may she rest in peace :(

Hehe, and I'm also missing a Volvo 140 or 240. A little bit new for perhaps, but great cars. Might my old 240 also rest in peace :)

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> Andre > > > > > > > >Beers and cheers > >(uncle) Goy > > > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com >

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> Ilari, > > Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at > Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview > for the Blackhole Motorsports site. > > TIA! > > -- JB > > On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:40:19 +0300, Ilari Lehtinen > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :). > >I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but > >physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure. > > > >-Ilari > > > >Goy Larsen wrote: > >> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys

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> >> out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ? > >> > >> Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got > >> perhaps ? > >> > >> Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I > >> still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything > >> like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going > >> to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-), > >> Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-) > >> > >> Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I > >> happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be > >> the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was > >> something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta > >> with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest > >> stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have > >> driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort > >> > >> All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my > >> Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-) > >> > >> > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > >> > >> Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-) > >> > >> Beers and cheers > >> (uncle) Goy > >> > >> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >> > >> * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > >> "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com >

Hi Ilari, Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? Looking forward to your answers, Remco

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> > Hi Ilari, > > Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, > for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other > wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out > when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? > > Looking forward to your answers,

Can't answer the first one, but yes, even in the early build that was sent to us for the preview, the car would swap ends on you every now and then Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Each tyre is modelled separately, so yep, that's possible. And as Goy already stated, car swaps ends if you're not careful :) -Ilari "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hi Ilari, > > Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, > for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other > wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out > when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? > > Looking forward to your answers, > > > Remco > > > > >

Thx Goy and Ilari, Looking forward to this! Remco On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:58:20 +0300, "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Each tyre is modelled separately, so yep, that's possible. And as Goy >already stated, car swaps ends if you're not careful :) > >-Ilari > >"Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Hi Ilari, >> >> Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, >> for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other >> wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out >> when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? >> >> Looking forward to your answers, >> >> >> Remco >> >> >> >> >> > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Bodin) writes: > The answer is a resounding "yes" -- in a very realistic manner, too. > All that is needed for the experience to be complete, in fact, is for > my wife to stand behind me with a cookie sheet and smack me over the > head occasionally to properly simulate my head hitting the roof of the > car! Man, I bet my wife would *love* to do that for me.... hehehe ;-) Marc

On 07 Sep 2001 09:17:52 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >> What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14.. >> my first car, may she rest in peace :( > >Hehe, and I'm also missing a Volvo 140 or 240. A little bit new for >perhaps, but great cars. Might my old 240 also rest in peace :) I think it's really brave Olav to publicly admit you had a Volvo 240. Respect for that my friend. :) Andre

Great suggestion! A cookie sheet! All along my wife has been using the stainless steel frying pans claiming it was the most realistic solution. But she was starting to complain about my head denting her high quality pans ;) Scott PA-Scott http://www.PowerSimsMag.com "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The answer is a resounding "yes" -- in a very realistic manner, too. > All that is needed for the experience to be complete, in fact, is for > my wife to stand behind me with a cookie sheet and smack me over the > head occasionally to properly simulate my head hitting the roof of the > car! > > ;-) > > -- JB > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:35:11 -0400, "David L. Cook" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ilari - > > > >Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and

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> >(6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO. > > > >- David > > > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:9n5cf1$iia$[email hidden]... > >> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly > >> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL,

it > >> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL. > >> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd havemuch > >> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :) > >> > >> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as wewant > >> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (notF1's, > >> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find yourcar

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> >> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful > >with > >> the throttle. > >> > >> And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it. > >> > >> -Ilari > >> > > > > > > > > >

Check out the contact patch on the leftside tires in this pic! http://www.jowood.com/de/home/rallytrophy_big.jpg -David "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Thx Goy and Ilari, > > Looking forward to this! > > Remco > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:58:20 +0300, "Ilari Lehtinen" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Each tyre is modelled separately, so yep, that's possible. And as Goy > >already stated, car swaps ends if you're not careful :) > > > >-Ilari > > > >"Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> Hi Ilari, > >> > >> Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it, > >> for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other > >> wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out > >> when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner? > >> > >> Looking forward to your answers, > >> > >> > >> Remco > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

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> On 07 Sep 2001 09:17:52 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. > Malmin) wrote: > > >> What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14.. > >> my first car, may she rest in peace :( > > > >Hehe, and I'm also missing a Volvo 140 or 240. A little bit new for > >perhaps, but great cars. Might my old 240 also rest in peace :) > > I think it's really brave Olav to publicly admit you had a Volvo 240. > Respect for that my friend. > :)

But I don't quite get it, it's worse to admit that i drive a silly Golf 1.6 GL two door 1989 model now. Now that's a car lacking personality. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote... > > <snip> > But I don't quite get it, it's worse to admit that > i drive a silly Golf 1.6 GL two door 1989 model now. > Now that's a car lacking personality. :) It's not that Olav, the Volvo 240 carries a "pensioner's car" image around these parts. Not something a car/racing enthousiast would want to be associated with. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote... > > > <snip> > > But I don't quite get it, it's worse to admit that > > i drive a silly Golf 1.6 GL two door 1989 model now. > > Now that's a car lacking personality. :) > > It's not that Olav, the Volvo 240 carries a "pensioner's car" image around > these parts. Not something a car/racing enthousiast would want to be > associated with.

Ah, well up north it carries more a "youth with not so much money" image. But also during the strong winters here it helps a lot with a proper built car and engine. As for the racing enthusiast thing, I simply can't afford such car, which would be a Lotus Elise. They cost around $40.000 here. Even something simple as a Toyota Celica is over $25.000 :( -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying