Best wheel & pedals

Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good as somebody commented?

> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going for a > best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force > Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good as somebody commented? Does BRD offer force feedback now?

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> From: "JML" <[email hidden]> > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:43:10 GMT > > Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m > going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy > and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing > Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is > BRD as good as somebody commented?

BRD is the dogs wotsits! I have had two BRD wheels and pedal set-up's from over six years ago and they are both working great. My older BRD wheel and pedals set-up (formerly known as the Interactive Racing GP500) is now on my "second" pc, this has the old "torsion tube" type return mechanism for the steering column. My newer BRD wheel and pedals set-up also has the ball raced spring return mechanism (much more positive feel). Apart from buying some new (pedal) springs about once every two years, and having my old BRD wheel and pedals serviced (once) they have performed great and will last a lifetime if looked after. These babies are the best you can get, and BRD are always very helpful. NB: I also have a BRD Race Frame Pro cockpit & seat set-up...! 8-) For more info and pictures, go to... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/p26pics.htm and also... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/p30pics.htm

> Does BRD offer force feedback now? I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport - about 2 grand from memory.

http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm When only the best will do. Chad Rogers "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> Does BRD offer force feedback now? > > I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport - > about 2 grand from memory.

http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ Hi gang, been reading here awhile but this is my first post. I've heard BRD and ECCI are both good equipment but TSW has to be considered also, durability and customer service are second to none. I have what was the top model about 8 years ago and haven't spent a dime on it since day one. If your really hung up on FF then TEI can't help you but after owning a TSW for this long, I wouldn't go back to FF unless I could afford some radical $15,000 simulator that can do it properly. I have an "Old Red" LWFF wheel that I upgraded with full bearings and it works well but I'm much more consistant with the Thomas. Considering TSW's have a "Lifetime" warranty ...it's a good place to put your $$$;)

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> From: "JML" <[email hidden]> > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:43:10 GMT > > Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m > going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy > and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing > Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is > BRD as good as somebody commented?

I agree with two other posters in this thread, that the Thomas Super Wheels and the ECCI wheels (and pedals) along with BRD are probably the best three makers in the World at present. And whilst technically, all three do not have the usual force feedback method of say Microsoft, Logitech or Momo type wheels, they all employ their own methods of giving good driver feedback. Links to the three makers websites are here: http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm http://www.interactiveracing.com/ I reviewed all three makers in my wbpage about a year ago (see link below) its a tad out of date as I haven't had time to update it lately, but its still relevant today. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/27gamhw2.htm I'm biased towards BRD cos I have two of them, and their cockpits are great quality and value too (and I also have one of those), but I can see that ECCI and TSW are great quality, and in a similar price bracket too. Until someone brings out a good quality, reliable, and accurate force feedback system, BRD, TSW and ECCI are the best there is at the moment... 8-) *Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/

The email I received from BRD states their FF wheel will be available in November. It will most likely be extremely expensive though. You are right. I've been lost since my MSFFW died. I've got a black momo now and I just cannot get the hang of this thing. I look like a total amatuer out there on the track. -Larry "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... > Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going for > a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? > Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and before > those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good as > somebody commented? >

For those used to Force Feedback, how is the 'de-sensittation to this ? "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm > > When only the best will do. > > Chad Rogers > > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >>> Does BRD offer force feedback now? >> >> I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport - >> about 2 grand from memory. > >

If I understood correctly you mean how does it feel to have a non-ff wheel like Ecci etc? I would also like know this. I know that some manufacturers use benji-cord and other "flexible" materials to have the authentic "linear" feeling (but naturally wont bump into fingers though..), but as I do not have experience, really like to hear more... Btw, are you guys willing to pay like 500+ dollars for a good quality wheel/pedal set. I personally believe that this is quite a lot of money and only a very small margin of simracers are so enthusiastic that they put so much money to it. I will certainly do that, but this is something I really like and love, apart from the real racing a have chance to do occasionally. "Larry" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss�:13w0f.175$Rk5.40@lakeread06...

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> For those used to Force Feedback, how is the 'de-sensittation to this ? > "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm >> >> When only the best will do. >> >> Chad Rogers >> >> "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>>> Does BRD offer force feedback now? >>> >>> I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport - >>> about 2 grand from memory. >> >> > >

I saw in your website the ActLabs wheel as well. I had that as well but one of the pedal strings broke and believe it or not, I didnt succeed to even open the pedal box, it was so robustly built that in the end the whole system broke down. That was one nice wheel, expecially at that time when the game titled just Rally with WRC Seat etc cars, I drove a lot with the 6 gear system attached to it. Wheel itself was very thick and comfortable. <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss�:[email hidden]...

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> In article <O4e0f.315$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (JML) > wrote: > >> From: "JML" <[email hidden]> >> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:43:10 GMT >> >> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m >> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy >> and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing >> Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is >> BRD as good as somebody commented? > > I agree with two other posters in this thread, that the Thomas Super > Wheels and the ECCI wheels (and pedals) along with BRD are probably the > best three makers in the World at present. > > And whilst technically, all three do not have the usual force feedback > method of say Microsoft, Logitech or Momo type wheels, they all employ > their own methods of giving good driver feedback. > > Links to the three makers websites are here: > > http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ > > http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm > > http://www.interactiveracing.com/ > > I reviewed all three makers in my wbpage about a year ago (see link > below) its a tad out of date as I haven't had time to update it lately, > but its still relevant today. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/27gamhw2.htm > > I'm biased towards BRD cos I have two of them, and their cockpits are > great quality and value too (and I also have one of those), but I can > see that ECCI and TSW are great quality, and in a similar price bracket > too. > > Until someone brings out a good quality, reliable, and accurate force > feedback system, BRD, TSW and ECCI are the best there is at the > moment... > > 8-) > > *Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/

"JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:w7x0f.199$[email hidden]: > Btw, are you guys willing to pay like 500+ dollars for a good quality > wheel/pedal set. I personally believe that this is quite a lot of > money and only a very small margin of simracers are so enthusiastic > that they put so much money to it. I will certainly do that, but this > is something I really like and love, apart from the real racing a have > chance to do occasionally. $500 dollars a lot of money? I bought my ECCI wheel/pedal system in March of 1996. It's almost 10 years old! Since then it's cost me maybe 15 bucks for springs and button replacment and it's as solid and tight as the day it arrived. Contrast that with the big white box on my desk which may as well have a flush handle on the side of it, expensive hardware goes through that thing like shit through a goose. High end wheel systems are worth every penny, you appreciate their quality everytime you touch them and their performance doesn't deteriorate like almost everything else in the computer chain. And in terms of retaining value, I could probably sell my ECCI system today for a good portion of what I paid for it. How much do you think I could get for a ten year old video card, or motherboard, or cpu, or harddrive......... Don

JML wrote: > If I understood correctly you mean how does it feel to have a non-ff wheel > like Ecci etc? I would also like know this. I know that some manufacturers > use benji-cord and other "flexible" materials to have the authentic "linear" > feeling TSW uses two opposing steel springs to achieve a centering affect that while it may not be 100% realistic it does feel quite natural to drive and is very smooth, especially if compared to something that is gear driven like the logitec momo where you can feel the gears meshing together. The "feel" of a TSW is excellent, both in the wheel and the pedals. Everything is rock solid, control is extremely smooth and accurate. IMO FF is nothing more than a cheap novelty and does nothing for a persons skill level, where-as a good wheel certainly does improve your driving. Cheaper wheels tend to last 2/3 yrs usually until they need replacement, my TSW is 8 yrs old and shows no sign of excessive wear or sloppiness in either the wheel or pedal unit. Only once I've had to replace a wheel centering spring and that was shipped free of charge in less than a week. A "Lifetime" warranty is worth alot;)

Yes, I believe every word you say about quality wheels. Therefore I`m going for one and it seems to me that it will be Ecci or TSW. The best model however is very expensive, so you think I should go for the cheaper ones. Anything they miss, as websites do tells a lot, differences between Ecci models for example aren`t so big. "Spede" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss�:[email hidden]...

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> > JML wrote: >> If I understood correctly you mean how does it feel to have a non-ff >> wheel >> like Ecci etc? I would also like know this. I know that some >> manufacturers >> use benji-cord and other "flexible" materials to have the authentic >> "linear" >> feeling > > TSW uses two opposing steel springs to achieve a centering affect that > while it may not be 100% realistic it does feel quite natural to drive > and is very smooth, especially if compared to something that is gear > driven like the logitec momo where you can feel the gears meshing > together. The "feel" of a TSW is excellent, both in the wheel and the > pedals. Everything is rock solid, control is extremely smooth and > accurate. IMO FF is nothing more than a cheap novelty and does nothing > for a persons skill level, where-as a good wheel certainly does improve > your driving. > > Cheaper wheels tend to last 2/3 yrs usually until they need > replacement, my TSW is 8 yrs old and shows no sign of excessive wear or > sloppiness in either the wheel or pedal unit. Only once I've had to > replace a wheel centering spring and that was shipped free of charge in > less than a week. A "Lifetime" warranty is worth alot;) >

Some could argue that if you were not the ultimate PC technician, ESPECIALLY since you had the "Logitech" branded wheel, you have no fruitfull experience with force feedback. Im not doggin you honest, Lets just look at the facts. The troubles I seen (and tried to work through as a tech & friend), read, & encountered with the older logitech drivers and other issues. That is the fact that would be making me state the above. In my Humble Estimation, one in 10 Logitech owners, could setup the wheel correctly (more importantly keep it from goofing itself up within minutes ruining the experience, by not one fault of their own BTW... SO I will ask, now days is it one in 5? so in 500 wheels, 100 of you had a fair and working chance to judge it, as I see it, the odds are against you having been the lucky 20% to setup the wheel & FF. Because I say this, I am only going by logic, of which you enlighten me with, pushed into a thought about my experiences with both logitech, Thrustcrapper, and finally Sidewinder wheels. when you have FF that is setup and works like it does in my humble opinion, you wont go back to springs... that is my $.02 (USD)... Spede enlightened us with:

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> http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ > > Hi gang, been reading here awhile but this is my first post. I've > heard BRD and ECCI are both good equipment but TSW has to be > considered also, durability and customer service are second to none. > I have what was the top model about 8 years ago and haven't spent a > dime on it since day one. If your really hung up on FF then TEI can't > help you but after owning a TSW for this long, I wouldn't go back > to FF unless I could afford some radical $15,000 simulator that can > do it properly. I have an "Old Red" LWFF wheel that I upgraded with > full bearings and it works well but I'm much more consistant with the > Thomas. Considering TSW's have a "Lifetime" warranty ...it's a good > place to put your $$$;)

lol ...each to their own If your satisfied with the un-realistic driving force in a cheap plastic boxes well then your welcome to them ..every couple of years as needed. Logitec's best FF wheel was the cable driven "Old Red" LWFF, this was well before the gear driven MOMO and it was considered by many to be the best FF available, I had no problems with it and it was setup just fine, but no plastic $200 disposable wheel can be compared to the likes of TSW,BRD, and ECCI.

I was saying that I was at an eighty percent chance, that you had not actually experienced properly setup and funtional Force Feedback even with that (super version) of the logitech wheel. I agree a VW- Beetle does nothing like my F150, pfffft. All I was saying (again) if you didnt enjoy FF, then I think you had trouble with the wheel and prolly dont know it. The mere fact that you dont like it, and the fact that 1 in 5 ever get it to work right with Logitech stuff (over the years). TO me it is like saying "I hate skiing" when you only had your mom's backyard's hill, with plastic ski's from Ronco or Wham-O exerience. Just know, when the rest of us go skiing at real places and enjoy the hell out of it (analogus to enjoying the hell out of FF). I agree with you after all, "to each thier own" right back at ya! yet I cant help but say, are you positive you've been giving it a fair chance? P.S. I reserve the right to not include the new DFP's in my 80% assumption, I might remove from that group. Spede enlightened us with:

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> lol ...each to their own > > If your satisfied with the un-realistic driving force in a cheap > plastic boxes well then your welcome to them ..every couple of years > as needed. > > Logitec's best FF wheel was the cable driven "Old Red" LWFF, this was > well before the gear driven MOMO and it was considered by many to be > the best FF available, I had no problems with it and it was setup just > fine, but no plastic $200 disposable wheel can be compared to the > likes of TSW,BRD, and ECCI.

Larry, I could sell you my Black wheel, MS FF wheel, it is my spare, Im keeping my red wheel version, any bids? hell it is like new, I probably could empty the box it came with (storing game boxes in it I *think*) I too will want a BRD if the FF setup is worth a shit, as you might seen in this thread, dont you see what I was saying: that most people who "tried FF and dont like it, had Other than Microsoft wheels", at least 90% of them. Larry enlightened us with:

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> The email I received from BRD states their FF wheel will be available > in November. > > It will most likely be extremely expensive though. > > You are right. I've been lost since my MSFFW died. I've got a black > momo now and I just cannot get the hang of this thing. I look like a > total amatuer out there on the track. > > -Larry > > "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m >> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to >> buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force >> Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions >> please, is BRD as good as somebody commented?

I didn't say I didn't like FF, I said I wouldn't go back to it unless it was on a $15,000 simulator that can do it properly ....and you come trolling along with your $100 pos proclaiming to be the expert on pc wheels? Some could argue that since you own a $100 ms wheel your expertise in this discussion doesn't have alot of merrit. and btw ...I'm an hours drive from Banff, so the skiing here is quite good;)

Spede wrote: > I didn't say I didn't like FF, I said I wouldn't go back to it unless > it was on a $15,000 simulator that can do it properly ....and you come > trolling along with your $100 pos proclaiming to be the expert on pc > wheels? Fuck! I didnt come in here trying to spouse I was an expert at nothing. I offered an opinion on a 'discussion' board, and supported my conclusions, as I saw fit. I didnt say I could be wrong, damn dude. >Some could argue that since you own a $100 ms wheel your > expertise in this discussion doesn't have alot of merrit. if you took it in some way other than an attempt to say I thought "maybe" you didnt have or give it a fair shot no fault of your OWN see I typed that! ( I didnt bitch aboutyour 100 dollar wheel that makes you less than an expert either) so be it. Take what you want from the suggestion, try and remember if I was picking on you or whatever you thought the discussion turned into, think about this... I would just do email or forget it, only because I realize, more than just you or me (least I assume) might read this thread, damn. just like I can argue with a Porche lover has love for a POS car... Corvettes suck, {and whatever you have I hate? from your reply I gather?} I gave you an honest and thought out opinion, jeeez you act as though I was crucifying you at the stake. > > and btw ...I'm an hours drive from Banff, so the skiing here is quite > good;) FIne, least you know what I meant with my analogy.

This is just too much fun:D ....I replied to the topic in this thread twice with my opinion on a high end wheel I've had good experience with ...and your "honest and thought out opinion" was ... "Some could argue that if you were not the ultimate PC technician, ESPECIALLY since you had the "Logitech" branded wheel, you have no fruitfull experience with force feedback." If your going trolling you should come better equipped, I don't care to enter into battles of wits with unarmed adversaries;)

back on topic JML A couple big differances in TSW's line is that the TSW has more bearings than a TSW2 and it has an even more solid steel frame for the pedal set. Most other options are available on both models and they build the wheel according to your specs. You decide what options it will have. I doubt they even offer a midi/gameport version now but I wouldn't recommend it if they did, good sound cards with a midi port are getting harder to find. USB would be a more logical choice these days. I know four people with a TSW2 and they are just a happy with it as I am with my fully optioned TSW. You can also upgrade these wheels if/when you wish, they are quite basic and easy to work on without any specialty tools, and Dave jr will still honour the lifetime warranty. One last point about a TSW ....it took eight years but now even the wife finally agrees that it was a responsible purchase ;)

"PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:awQ0f.491$784.405@lakeread08... > Larry, >SNIP

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>> >> "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m >>> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to >>> buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force >>> Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions >>> please, is BRD as good as somebody commented? > >

I have got a Logitech Driving Force Pro, it's been changed slightly by me to allow more rotaion when set in the 1/2 turn mode... Its also been frexed... but I don't think I would recomend Frex... it takes ages ( and I mean ages ). Plus it keeps coming apart, so its a weekly thing to tighten something or another up !! I will by the new BRD set up 100% for sure when it comes out !

So what you are saying is that you were offended by me stating that there was a 1 in 5 chance that you didnt have a real or decent ff experience with the logi wheel? I gave you every possible reason to NOT be fucking offended by saying, let me spell it out one more time" that if everything was not perfect, and the stars all being in a perfect alignment, you MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY REAL OR FAIR EXPERIENCE with FORCE FEEDBACK" simply because for so few, did the logitech wheel actually work right, and the fact that so many here had to experiment the hell out of settings that some of us never had to. Furthermore if it was perfect for you and you hated it, you think I am going to be upset or something? NO, So good for you, at least you are positive you dont like it or whatever... Spede enlightened us with:

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> This is just too much fun:D ....I replied to the topic in this thread > twice with my opinion on a high end wheel I've had good experience > with ...and your "honest and thought out opinion" was ... > > "Some could argue that if you were not the ultimate PC technician, > ESPECIALLY > since you had the "Logitech" branded wheel, you have no fruitfull > experience > with force feedback." > > If your going trolling you should come better equipped, I don't care > to enter into battles of wits with unarmed adversaries;)

Im slipping from positive about buying one, as someone was looking over my shoulder when I posted, that didn't approve, at least not yet LOL. I will have to watch for your feeback on it Paulinho, see how much 'trouble' it will be worth, hehehee. Paulinho enlightened us with:

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> "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:awQ0f.491$784.405@lakeread08... >> Larry, >> > SNIP >>> >>> "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >>>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m >>>> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to >>>> buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force >>>> Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions >>>> please, is BRD as good as somebody commented? >> >> > > I have got a Logitech Driving Force Pro, it's been changed slightly > by me to allow more rotaion when set in the 1/2 turn mode... Its also > been frexed... but I don't think I would recomend Frex... it takes > ages ( and I mean ages ). Plus it keeps coming apart, so its a weekly > thing to tighten > something or another up !! > > I will by the new BRD set up 100% for sure when it comes out !

After I bought my first FF wheel, I gave my TSW2 away, and have never looked back. The words I look for are "Logitech" and "Momo". Yeah, I've had to replace them every year or two, when they've broken (I actually bought the extended warranty/replacement deal on the last one) or started to get sloppy. And I'm not any faster. But to me, the TSW2 felt like a computer game, the FF is much more realistic to me. And I've raced real cars.

"JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... > Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going for > a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? > Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and before > those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good as > somebody commented? Love my DFP, ands wouldn't trade it for any wheel. As soon as the u.s. distributor has Speed 7's in stock, I'm ordering a set. Looking to take a significant step forward with this combo. -- David G Fisher

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> > "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going >> for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? >> Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and before >> those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good as >> somebody commented? > > Love my DFP, ands wouldn't trade it for any wheel. > > As soon as the u.s. distributor has Speed 7's in stock, I'm ordering a > set. Looking to take a significant step forward with this combo. > > > -- > David G Fisher

That Speed 7 wheel has an option (an expensive option) which among other features has what their ad refers to as "analog clutch paddles". Would it be possible to use these paddles to control acceleration and braking instead ? This may be my only option to get a quality, precision wheel with 'hand controls'. Elrikk ( Hoping that this can be done. )

"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XCh3f.66439$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going >>> for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and why? >>> Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and >>> before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good >>> as somebody commented? >> >> Love my DFP, ands wouldn't trade it for any wheel. >> >> As soon as the u.s. distributor has Speed 7's in stock, I'm ordering a >> set. Looking to take a significant step forward with this combo. >> >> >> -- >> David G Fisher > > > > That Speed 7 wheel has an option (an expensive option) which among > other features has what their ad refers to as "analog clutch paddles". > > Would it be possible to use these paddles to control acceleration and > braking instead ? > > This may be my only option to get a quality, precision wheel with 'hand > controls'. > > > Elrikk ( Hoping that this can be done. )

I couldn't figure out from their web page if it's possible Elrikk, but here's their contact e-mail. [email hidden] Dave

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XCh3f.66439$[email hidden]... >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >>>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m going >>>> for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to buy and >>>> why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force Racing Wheel and >>>> before those many other older ones. Suggestions please, is BRD as good >>>> as somebody commented? >>> >>> Love my DFP, ands wouldn't trade it for any wheel. >>> >>> As soon as the u.s. distributor has Speed 7's in stock, I'm ordering a >>> set. Looking to take a significant step forward with this combo. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David G Fisher >> >> >> >> That Speed 7 wheel has an option (an expensive option) which among >> other features has what their ad refers to as "analog clutch paddles". >> >> Would it be possible to use these paddles to control acceleration and >> braking instead ? >> >> This may be my only option to get a quality, precision wheel with 'hand >> controls'. >> >> >> Elrikk ( Hoping that this can be done. ) > > I couldn't figure out from their web page if it's possible Elrikk, but > here's their contact e-mail. [email hidden] > > Dave

Thanks Dave. Wrote to the address you suggested and received a quick answer from Simon Ball his very self. In part he says; " The Speed7 wheel has been designed with full analogue clutch paddles for the very purpose that they can be used as accelerator and brake when pedals are not connected. We have a number of customers who do not have use of their legs or feet and in the past we have custom built some steering controls. The purpose of the new wheel is that we can cater for all customers with the standard product." Looks perfect, so thanks again. Elrikk PS. Now I only hope I don't have to sell my right arm to afford it. Else I'll be back where I started but this time trying to find a wheel that can be used with out pedals and with only one hand. ;o)

November is what they told me by Email. Unfortunately I've heard figures of 2 Grand floating around cost wise :( -Larry "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> Does BRD offer force feedback now? > > I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport - > about 2 grand from memory.

I must be one of the 10 that can't because no matter how hard I try, I can NOT drive with a Logitech wheel. -Larry "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BIC0f.438$784.420@lakeread08...

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> Some could argue that if you were not the ultimate PC technician, > ESPECIALLY since you had the "Logitech" branded wheel, you have no > fruitfull experience with force feedback. > > Im not doggin you honest, Lets just look at the facts. The troubles I > seen (and tried to work through as a tech & friend), read, & encountered > with the older logitech drivers and other issues. That is the fact that > would be making me state the above. In my Humble Estimation, one in 10 > Logitech owners, could setup the wheel correctly (more importantly keep it > from goofing itself up within minutes ruining the experience, by not one > fault of their own BTW... > > SO I will ask, now days is it one in 5? so in 500 wheels, 100 of you had > a fair and working chance to judge it, as I see it, the odds are against > you having been the lucky 20% to setup the wheel & FF. > > Because I say this, I am only going by logic, of which you enlighten me > with, pushed into a thought about my experiences with both logitech, > Thrustcrapper, and finally Sidewinder wheels. when you have FF that is > setup and works like it does in my humble opinion, you wont go back to > springs... > > that is my $.02 (USD)... > > > Spede enlightened us with: >> http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ >> >> Hi gang, been reading here awhile but this is my first post. I've >> heard BRD and ECCI are both good equipment but TSW has to be >> considered also, durability and customer service are second to none. >> I have what was the top model about 8 years ago and haven't spent a >> dime on it since day one. If your really hung up on FF then TEI can't >> help you but after owning a TSW for this long, I wouldn't go back >> to FF unless I could afford some radical $15,000 simulator that can >> do it properly. I have an "Old Red" LWFF wheel that I upgraded with >> full bearings and it works well but I'm much more consistant with the >> Thomas. Considering TSW's have a "Lifetime" warranty ...it's a good >> place to put your $$$;) > >

Well, if there was ever any hope of a software update (there isn't) I'd go for it. But... -Larry "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:awQ0f.491$784.405@lakeread08...

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> Larry, > > I could sell you my Black wheel, MS FF wheel, it is my spare, Im keeping > my red wheel version, any bids? hell it is like new, I probably could > empty the box it came with (storing game boxes in it I *think*) I too will > want a BRD if the FF setup is worth a shit, as you might seen in this > thread, dont you see what I was saying: that most people who "tried FF and > dont like it, had Other than Microsoft wheels", at least 90% of them. > > > Larry enlightened us with: >> The email I received from BRD states their FF wheel will be available >> in November. >> >> It will most likely be extremely expensive though. >> >> You are right. I've been lost since my MSFFW died. I've got a black >> momo now and I just cannot get the hang of this thing. I look like a >> total amatuer out there on the track. >> >> -Larry >> >> "JML" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:O4e0f.315$[email hidden]... >>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m >>> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to >>> buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force >>> Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions >>> please, is BRD as good as somebody commented? > >

I agree 100% with you Geeza. My (two) BRD wheel and pedal systems cost me a fair bit, (about �150 each then) but they are as good now as the day I bought them (about five years ago). All I've had to pay for is replacement springs (�5) maybe once a year, oh, and a new circuit board (�8) for the wheel buttons. Likewise, yeah, my BRD Race Frame Pro Cockpit cost a fair bit, but it too is as good now as the day I bought it. And as Don says, I could easily sell my BRD stuff as its all still in pristine condition and recoup most of what I originally paid for them. So who spends more money? The guy who pays say �200 on quality "expensive" gear that will easily last him six, seven, eight, maybe even ten years, or the guy who buys his "cheaper" gear, say around �100 but it only lasts one year, or maybe two years before he has to buy another "cheaper" system? I know which I prefer.... 8-)

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> $500 dollars a lot of money? I bought my ECCI wheel/pedal system in > March of 1996. It's almost 10 years old! Since then it's cost me > maybe 15 bucks for springs and button replacment and it's as solid > and tight as the day it arrived. > High end wheel systems > are worth every penny, you appreciate their quality everytime you > touch them and their performance doesn't deteriorate like almost > everything else in the computer chain. And in terms of retaining > value, I could probably sell my ECCI system today for a good portion > of what I paid for it. How much do you think I could get for a ten > year old video card, or motherboard, or cpu, or harddrive.........

*Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/

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> From: "JML" <[email hidden]> > Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:23:08 GMT > > If I understood correctly you mean how does it feel to have a non-ff > wheel like Ecci etc? I would also like know this. I know that some > manufacturers use benji-cord and other "flexible" materials to have > the authentic "linear" feeling (but naturally wont bump into fingers > though..), but as I do not have experience, really like to hear > more...

My BRD steering wheels have a great "feel" to them, the wheels have a strong self centering mechnism, here is how the BRD website describes the steering return mechanism... "The internals of the steering column are again a unique feature of this system. The return to centre mechanism is based on our tried and tested compression spring based dual ballraced cam system. This has proved to be just about indestructible and will not wear out. It allows you to experience a very progressive and linear feel through out the 270� of steering rotation. It also means that the steering will always return positively to centre. The precise action of the steering mechanism will mean that you can be confident in your driving." It works well, friends who have driven my set-up are always impressed at how realistic it "feels". 8-) *Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/