Geforce 3 & GPL framerate Monaco back of grid

A fellow GPL addict has finally bought a Geforce 3 and is not overly impressed as an upgrade from his Voodoo2 SLI using glide, to GPL Ver1.2 latest D3D patch for the Geforce. Vsync disabled using NVmax. PC is PIII 850MHz(100MHz) on Abit BF6 NE2000 ISA network card 256Mb RAM Morpheous GF3 64Mb SBLive Win98 Reformatted Windows partition twice. AGP x2, tried 128Mb & 256Mb AGP aperture. Currently using the 12.00 Morpheous drivers, although has tried 12.41,14.10,14.70 . Some 16bit cockpits, all 3D wheels. Problem is frame rate - back of grid at Monaco 50% detail, 19AI, 1024x768, no FSAA get ~18-19FPS( all video card drivers gave ~same results) - mostly 36 FPS in practice mode.On V2 SLI he had ~25 fps at back of grid, 25% detail. He has made sure separate IRQ's SBlive on IRQ10, network card on IRQ5, GF3 on IRQ11. Surely this poor a frame rate on the mighty GF3 is not right, although Superbike 2001 at 1024x768 also seems a bit slow visually. Other posts I've seen at Legends Central and High Gear on this subject give various results- some agree/some say 36FPS all the time. Any suggestions? Anyone with a similar system GF2/3 - what results do you get? - make sure to post res, %detail, PC spec's. Would the CPU be holding it back? Thanks for any replies. -- Peter H Duron @ 1000 V5 @ 190 removethis to reply

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>A fellow GPL addict has finally bought a Geforce 3 and is not overly >impressed as an upgrade from his Voodoo2 SLI using glide, to GPL Ver1.2 >latest D3D patch for the Geforce. Vsync disabled using NVmax. > >PC is PIII 850MHz(100MHz) on Abit BF6 >NE2000 ISA network card >256Mb RAM >Morpheous GF3 64Mb >SBLive >Win98 >Any suggestions? Anyone with a similar system GF2/3 - what results do you >get? - make sure to post res, %detail, PC spec's. Would the CPU be holding >it back?

yep, it'll be the cpu which is the weak link here. it's only 100fsb, and it's only a 850 and the mobo is only agp 2x. he should have spent his money on a new mobo+ram+cpu and he probably would have noticed more of a performance gain with his original vidcard. i know because i've got the same cpu, PIII-850E(100fsb) abit be-6 asus v7700d geforce2 gts 32mb. i really need a new mobo and ram. the mobo is only 2xagp and its 100fsb.

Thx, I was guessing it might be the CPU. His old videocard was a sad Diamond Stealth S220 (4Mb Rendition) so anything is an upgrade. He used the V2 SLI mostly. What fps do you get. This old post I found from Legends Central on a different topic "GPL at 800*600 Detail Baise 50%.... " shows what's probably possible: ----------- Jamnut Racer Member # 865 posted 31-08-2001 21:51 You should be getting better than that. As an example, I have Athlon 1.4, GF3 and run 2048 res, 100% detail, JF carset. 36 fps even at back of full field. Jam GPL for life! When i'm sliding..i'm smiling..:) ------------- "Obake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lpkm7.1698$[email hidden]... > In article <H_jm7.3222$[email hidden]>, "Peter H"<[email hidden]> wrote: > yep, it'll be the cpu which is the weak link here. it's only 100fsb, andit's > only a 850 and the mobo is only agp 2x. he should have spent his money ona > new mobo+ram+cpu and he probably would have noticed more of a performancegain > with his original vidcard. > > i know because i've got the same cpu, PIII-850E(100fsb) abit be-6 asusv7700d > geforce2 gts 32mb. i really need a new mobo and ram. the mobo is only2xagp > and its 100fsb.

In article <TAlm7.3259$[email hidden]>, "Peter H" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thx, >I was guessing it might be the CPU. >His old videocard was a sad Diamond Stealth S220 (4Mb Rendition) so anything >is an upgrade. He used the V2 SLI mostly. >What fps do you get. > about 14fps 1240x1024 high everything. (aa off, v-sync off)

Well, GF3 isn't particularly a great deal faster than a GF2. Plus it's pretty difficult to get a solid 36 fps with 3d Wheels. Try reducing the draw distance on the 3d wheels. I have mine set on 8. There's a util with the jf carset to change 3d wheel draw distance. I'd have to guess the same as Obake that it's the CPU letting the side down. For comparison my system is- GF2 Pro 64 MB P3-1000 (133) 256 MB PC133 RAM BE6-2 m/b SBLive WinME 3DMark2001 = 3267 I run 1280*1024 with the draw distance on 75% and at the start of a full grid race at Monaco (in-car view, back of grid) I get 31 fps before the flag drops, falling to a low of 26 fps just after the start and going back up to 36 fps within about 5 seconds. I'd recommend using 3DMark2001 to check if your friends system is performing to it's potential. Run the standard test in the default res and log onto the online results browser to compare your score against other systems with the same hardware. It's a very useful tool. Uding 3DMark2001 I found about 4 bios settings that were set wrong, and changing them got about an extra 20% from my PC (no kidding). The settings were cpu and memory timing settings. It doesn't actually tell you what is wrong of course, but it lets you compare your system with the average score for p3-850/gf3 (or whatever system you have) systems, so you can tell if something is likely to be set wrong. "Peter H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H_jm7.3222$[email hidden]...

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> A fellow GPL addict has finally bought a Geforce 3 and is not overly > impressed as an upgrade from his Voodoo2 SLI using glide, to GPL Ver1.2 > latest D3D patch for the Geforce. Vsync disabled using NVmax. > > PC is PIII 850MHz(100MHz) on Abit BF6 > NE2000 ISA network card > 256Mb RAM > Morpheous GF3 64Mb > SBLive > Win98 > > Reformatted Windows partition twice. AGP x2, tried 128Mb & 256Mb AGP > aperture. > > Currently using the 12.00 Morpheous drivers, although has tried > 12.41,14.10,14.70 . Some 16bit cockpits, all 3D wheels. > Problem is frame rate - back of grid at Monaco 50% detail, 19AI, 1024x768, > no FSAA get ~18-19FPS( all video card drivers gave ~same results) - mostly > 36 FPS in practice mode.On V2 SLI he had ~25 fps at back of grid, 25% > detail. > He has made sure separate IRQ's SBlive on IRQ10, network card on IRQ5, GF3 > on IRQ11. > Surely this poor a frame rate on the mighty GF3 is not right, although > Superbike 2001 at 1024x768 also seems a bit slow visually. Other posts

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> some agree/some say 36FPS all the time. > > Any suggestions? Anyone with a similar system GF2/3 - what results do you > get? - make sure to post res, %detail, PC spec's. Would the CPU be holding > it back? > > > > Thanks for any replies. > -- > Peter H > Duron @ 1000 > V5 @ 190 > > removethis to reply > >

I never knew there was a 3dwheel draw util for the wheels Simon? This is interesting. I dont have any problems with my fps but it is good to know about this util.. Thanx! fwiw my puter is basically the same as yours Simon but I have 512mb of pc133 ram, Abit6 SA6R mobo & still running 98SE "Simon Brown" wrote: | Well, GF3 isn't particularly a great deal faster than a GF2. Plus it's | pretty difficult to get a solid 36 fps with 3d Wheels. Try reducing the | draw distance on the 3d wheels. I have mine set on 8. There's a utilwith | the jf carset to change 3d wheel draw distance. | | I'd have to guess the same as Obake that it's the CPU letting the sidedown.

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| | For comparison my system is- | | GF2 Pro 64 MB | P3-1000 (133) | 256 MB PC133 RAM | BE6-2 m/b | SBLive | WinME | 3DMark2001 = 3267 | | I run 1280*1024 with the draw distance on 75% and at the start of a full | grid race at Monaco (in-car view, back of grid) I get 31 fps before the

flag | drops, falling to a low of 26 fps just after the start and going back upto | 36 fps within about 5 seconds. | | I'd recommend using 3DMark2001 to check if your friends system isperforming | to it's potential. Run the standard test in the default res and log onto | the online results browser to compare your score against other systemswith | the same hardware. It's a very useful tool. Uding 3DMark2001 I foundabout

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| 4 bios settings that were set wrong, and changing them got about an extra | 20% from my PC (no kidding). The settings were cpu and memory timing | settings. | | It doesn't actually tell you what is wrong of course, but it lets you | compare your system with the average score for p3-850/gf3 (or whatever | system you have) systems, so you can tell if something is likely to be set | wrong. | | "Peter H" wrote: | > A fellow GPL addict has finally bought a Geforce 3 and is not overly | > impressed as an upgrade from his Voodoo2 SLI using glide, to GPL Ver1.2 | > latest D3D patch for the Geforce. Vsync disabled using NVmax. | > | > PC is PIII 850MHz(100MHz) on Abit BF6 | > NE2000 ISA network card | > 256Mb RAM | > Morpheous GF3 64Mb | > SBLive | > Win98 | > | > Reformatted Windows partition twice. AGP x2, tried 128Mb & 256Mb AGP | > aperture. | > | > Currently using the 12.00 Morpheous drivers, although has tried | > 12.41,14.10,14.70 . Some 16bit cockpits, all 3D wheels. | > Problem is frame rate - back of grid at Monaco 50% detail, 19AI,

1024x768, | > no FSAA get ~18-19FPS( all video card drivers gave ~same results) -mostly | > 36 FPS in practice mode.On V2 SLI he had ~25 fps at back of grid, 25% | > detail. | > He has made sure separate IRQ's SBlive on IRQ10, network card on IRQ5,GF3

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| > on IRQ11. | > Surely this poor a frame rate on the mighty GF3 is not right, although | > Superbike 2001 at 1024x768 also seems a bit slow visually. Other posts | I've | > seen at Legends Central and High Gear on this subject give various | results- | > some agree/some say 36FPS all the time. | > | > Any suggestions? Anyone with a similar system GF2/3 - what results do

you | > get? - make sure to post res, %detail, PC spec's. Would the CPU beholding

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| > it back? | > | > | > | > Thanks for any replies. | > -- | > Peter H | > Duron @ 1000 | > V5 @ 190 | > | > removethis to reply | > | > | |

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Thanks for all replies. We did a fresh install of GPL and then of the JF Carset 1.2 with 3D wheel draw distance 8m. Now get ~22fps @ 850MHz, ~25 at 944MHz. His previous 3D wheels were not from the JFcarset, so I am guessing they probably had full distance draw ahead which wouldn't help. -- Peter H Duron @ 1000 V5 @ 190 "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gQpm7.180718$[email hidden]... > I never knew there was a 3dwheel draw util for the wheels Simon? > This is interesting. I dont have any problems with my fps but it is > good to know about this util.. Thanx! > fwiw my puter is basically the same as yours Simon but I have > 512mb of pc133 ram, Abit6 SA6R mobo & still running 98SE > > "Simon Brown" wrote: > | Well, GF3 isn't particularly a great deal faster than a GF2. Plus it's > | pretty difficult to get a solid 36 fps with 3d Wheels. Try reducing the > | draw distance on the 3d wheels. I have mine set on 8. There's a util > with > | the jf carset to change 3d wheel draw distance. > | > | I'd have to guess the same as Obake that it's the CPU letting the side > down. > | > | For comparison my system is- > | > | GF2 Pro 64 MB > | P3-1000 (133) > | 256 MB PC133 RAM > | BE6-2 m/b > | SBLive > | WinME > | 3DMark2001 = 3267 > | > | I run 1280*1024 with the draw distance on 75% and at the start of a full > | grid race at Monaco (in-car view, back of grid) I get 31 fps before the > flag > | drops, falling to a low of 26 fps just after the start and going back up > to > | 36 fps within about 5 seconds. > | > | I'd recommend using 3DMark2001 to check if your friends system is > performing > | to it's potential. Run the standard test in the default res and log onto > | the online results browser to compare your score against other systems > with > | the same hardware. It's a very useful tool. Uding 3DMark2001 I found > about > | 4 bios settings that were set wrong, and changing them got about an extra > | 20% from my PC (no kidding). The settings were cpu and memory timing > | settings. > | > | It doesn't actually tell you what is wrong of course, but it lets you > | compare your system with the average score for p3-850/gf3 (or whatever > | system you have) systems, so you can tell if something is likely to be set > | wrong. > | > | "Peter H" wrote: > | > A fellow GPL addict has finally bought a Geforce 3 and is not overly > | > impressed as an upgrade from his Voodoo2 SLI using glide, to GPL Ver1.2 > | > latest D3D patch for the Geforce. Vsync disabled using NVmax. > | > > | > PC is PIII 850MHz(100MHz) on Abit BF6 > | > NE2000 ISA network card > | > 256Mb RAM > | > Morpheous GF3 64Mb > | > SBLive > | > Win98 > | > > | > Reformatted Windows partition twice. AGP x2, tried 128Mb & 256Mb AGP > | > aperture. > | > > | > Currently using the 12.00 Morpheous drivers, although has tried > | > 12.41,14.10,14.70 . Some 16bit cockpits, all 3D wheels. > | > Problem is frame rate - back of grid at Monaco 50% detail, 19AI, > 1024x768, > | > no FSAA get ~18-19FPS( all video card drivers gave ~same results) - > mostly > | > 36 FPS in practice mode.On V2 SLI he had ~25 fps at back of grid, 25% > | > detail. > | > He has made sure separate IRQ's SBlive on IRQ10, network card on IRQ5, > GF3 > | > on IRQ11. > | > Surely this poor a frame rate on the mighty GF3 is not right, although > | > Superbike 2001 at 1024x768 also seems a bit slow visually. Other posts > | I've > | > seen at Legends Central and High Gear on this subject give various > | results- > | > some agree/some say 36FPS all the time. > | > > | > Any suggestions? Anyone with a similar system GF2/3 - what results do > you > | > get? - make sure to post res, %detail, PC spec's. Would the CPU be > holding > | > it back? > | > > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any replies. > | > -- > | > Peter H > | > Duron @ 1000 > | > V5 @ 190 > | > > | > removethis to reply > | > > | > > | > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.276 / Virus Database: 145 - Release Date: 9/3/2001 > >