F1-2000/F1-2000 Gold

Dudes, Please excuse me, I'm one of the few that has been happy with GP3. I just saw F1 2000 and F1 2000 Gold at the store. Could someone tell me the differences and which is the better buy? Thanks! -- Dennis

Dudes, OK, it seems one of the two boxes was the "Championship Season" version and the other was Gold. A search indicates that there is a 2001 season coming out soon. Will the wait be worth it? Will I enjoy this sim as much as GP3? How bad a deal its it to set up a car with out any telemetry? Dennis

"Dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O7f$wiLNBHA.186@cpmsnbbsa07... > Dudes, > Please excuse me, I'm one of the few that has been happy with GP3. I just > saw F1 2000 and F1 2000 Gold at the store. > > Could someone tell me the differences and which is the better buy? Never heard of F1-2000 "Gold" - where are you at? Perhaps F1 Championship Season 2000 (F1CS2K) was re-labelled or something. But if you're looking for something new besides GP3, wait a month for F1-2001. It will be worlds ahead of F1-2000 - better framerate, GFX, multi-player, etc...

I'm not 100% sure, but I have seen F1 2000 re-released as one of EA's "CD ROM Classics" with a gold banner on the bottom -- is THIS the "gold" version you're referring to? If so, it's exactly the same as the original F1 2000. If you can find it, F1 Championship Season 2000 is superior to F1 2000 in many ways (although they are both basically the same game). -- JB On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:42:03 -0400, "Dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Dudes, >Please excuse me, I'm one of the few that has been happy with GP3. I just >saw F1 2000 and F1 2000 Gold at the store. > >Could someone tell me the differences and which is the better buy? > >Thanks! >-- >Dennis > >

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> Dudes, > Please excuse me, I'm one of the few that has been happy with GP3. I just > saw F1 2000 and F1 2000 Gold at the store. > > Could someone tell me the differences and which is the better buy? > > Thanks! > -- > Dennis > > >

Haven't heard of the Gold edition. F1 Championship Season 2000 is the better one. -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

In article <9ndsc3$3ut$[email hidden]>, simagery@hot...mail.com says... > Never heard of F1-2000 "Gold" - where are you at? Perhaps F1 Championship > Season 2000 (F1CS2K) was re-labelled or something. But if you're looking > for something new besides GP3, wait a month for F1-2001. It will be worlds > ahead of F1-2000 - better framerate, GFX, multi-player, etc... > I've already submitted an order for F1 2001 at the EA web page. It was $29.95+SH. -- Regards, Jim Henry

"Dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uGYtP1WNBHA.267@cpmsnbbsa07... > Dudes, > OK, it seems one of the two boxes was the "Championship Season" versionand > the other was Gold. A search indicates that there is a 2001 season coming > out soon. Will the wait be worth it? Will I enjoy this sim as much asGP3? > How bad a deal its it to set up a car with out any telemetry? > If it were me, I'd wait a month for F1 2001. I enjoy F1CS immensely, but it could stand to be smoother, as well as having some other improvements. F1 2001 should be the real deal - up to 4 times the framerates have been talked about. As far as GP3, well I can't say. I only played that game a few times - F1 2000 won me over, and then F1CS set the hook hard... And about telemetry: Simon Philips (http://www.btinternet.com/~si.phi/) puts out Replay Manager, which fills in what telemetry F1 2000 lacked. If the new game doesn't come with telemetry, I'm sure he will be working on an updated version...

The F1 2000 you seen was probably F1 2000 Championship season (F1 2k with some minor changes), and the F1 gold is the standard F1 2k. F1 2kcs has some minor changes, like the first chicane at monza that had changed during the 2000 season. I believe that all the helmets have the correct colors also (M. Schumacher changed his helmet during season). It also has some other changes. I would wait for F1 2001 though, it should be out in a month or so. It's going to have many changes, like pitboard signs, changable weather (like GP3), and all the 2001 cars :-). Dennis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O7f$wiLNBHA.186@cpmsnbbsa07...

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> Dudes, > Please excuse me, I'm one of the few that has been happy with GP3. I just > saw F1 2000 and F1 2000 Gold at the store. > > Could someone tell me the differences and which is the better buy? > > Thanks! > -- > Dennis > >

In article <uGYtP1WNBHA.267@cpmsnbbsa07>, "Dennis" <[email hidden]> writes: >Dudes, >OK, it seems one of the two boxes was the "Championship Season" version and >the other was Gold. A search indicates that there is a 2001 season coming >out soon. Will the wait be worth it? Will I enjoy this sim as much as GP3? >How bad a deal its it to set up a car with out any telemetry? How many people actually USE the telemetry to setup their car? I'm curious as to what you can learn... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Setups for CS are a piece of cake. I go to blackhole motorsports and dload Ian Bell's setups. He's missing one or two, but they suit me just fine. I tried Gregor's setups for CS and those were just as bad a his GPL efforts. How does that man stay on the road??? :) dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <uGYtP1WNBHA.267@cpmsnbbsa07>, "Dennis" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Dudes, > >OK, it seems one of the two boxes was the "Championship Season" versionand > >the other was Gold. A search indicates that there is a 2001 seasoncoming > >out soon. Will the wait be worth it? Will I enjoy this sim as much asGP3? > >How bad a deal its it to set up a car with out any telemetry? > > How many people actually USE the telemetry to setup their car? I'mcurious as

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> to what you can learn... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"O" come'on now Dave H! Aliens never stay on the road! They hover over it..... :)~ "Dave Henrie" wrote: | Setups for CS are a piece of cake. I go to blackhole motorsports and | dload Ian Bell's setups. He's missing one or two, but they suit me just | fine. I tried Gregor's setups for CS and those were just as bad a hisGPL | efforts. How does that man stay on the road??? | :) | dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001

Eldred, GP3 is pretty cheap, pick it up and check it out! I don't drive any of the other sims for cars though I used to do IndyCar[CART whatever] in its forms. I really like having the telemetry and find it useful for just about every aspect of setting a car up. Gearing, spring rates, ride heights, these are probably the items I look at most. After a car is drivable I find it useful to evaluate laps. A look at the trace showing the cars speed with corners taken differently makes it easier to decide at where to go fast and where not to. Its not always intuitive to see these things in a sim[or in real life] and if you apply different "lines" and strategies to corners, the plots will show whether late braking or carrying speed in a certain area is helping on that particular lap. This can be difficult to see just by looking at lap times as you may have not been consistent throughout the rest of the lap and the change will indicate a wrong result. It works for the guys with real rubber on the ground. Dennis "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > How many people actually USE the telemetry to setup their car? I'mcurious as > to what you can learn...

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How many people actually USE the telemetry to setup their car? I'm curious as > to what you can learn... When I played GP2 I finally got around to using the packers properly, at which point the ride height telemetry became essential. I spent happy hours deciding exactly which corners I wanted 'soft', which 'skimming' and which ones hard on the packers, and then making sure that the front hit before the rear... [Does anyone know how I can make OE display in a fixed-width font? The word wrapping's crap, and I can't see how many characters I'm typing either :-( ] Jonny

From the mind of Mick... "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WR4s7.3598$[email hidden]... [snip] > > [Does anyone know how I can make OE display in > a fixed-width font? The word wrapping's crap, and > I can't see how many characters I'm typing either :-( ] > Afsos dude, For OE6: Tools -> Options -> Compose and set your fonts to Courier New. HTH, Mick. Those that dream, cannot do Those that do, cannot dream I have done, now I dream... --- This message is virus free... So there! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 18/09/01

Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9W5s7.2953$[email hidden]...

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> "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WR4s7.3598$[email hidden]... > > [Does anyone know how I can make OE display in > > a fixed-width font? The word wrapping's crap, and > > I can't see how many characters I'm typing either :-( ] > For OE6: Tools -> Options -> Compose and set your fonts to Courier New.

Great for new messages - no good for replies :-( Ta though! Jonny

From the mind of Mick... "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sx6s7.3345$[email hidden]... > > Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:9W5s7.2953$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:WR4s7.3598$[email hidden]... > > > > [Does anyone know how I can make OE display in > > > a fixed-width font? The word wrapping's crap, and > > > I can't see how many characters I'm typing either :-( ] > > > For OE6: Tools -> Options -> Compose and set your fonts to Courier New. > > Great for new messages - no good for replies :-( > > Ta though! > Jonny > >

Namast� Jonny, Try this: Tools -> Options -> Send and set both mail and news formats to Plain Text. HTH, Mick. Those that dream, cannot do Those that do, cannot dream I have done, now I dream... --- This message is virus free... So there! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 18/09/01

Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X97s7.4278$[email hidden]...

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> > > > [Does anyone know how I can make OE display in > > > > a fixed-width font? The word wrapping's crap, and > > > > I can't see how many characters I'm typing either :-( ] > Try this: > > Tools -> Options -> Send and set both mail and news formats to Plain Text.

Got it... Tools -> Options; Read tab; Fonts button; set Proportional Font to Courier New and size to Smaller! Woohoo! TVM, Jonny Width check: 123456789_123456789_123456789_123456789_123456789_123456789_123456789_123456789_

In article <WR4s7.3598$[email hidden]>, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > >> How many people actually USE the telemetry to setup their car? I'm curious >as >> to what you can learn... > >When I played GP2 I finally got around to using the packers >properly, at which point the ride height telemetry became >essential. I spent happy hours deciding exactly which >corners I wanted 'soft', which 'skimming' and which ones >hard on the packers, and then making sure that the front >hit before the rear...

That means you understand setup a LOT better than I do. I barely understood what you were describing... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <#JOa1FcRBHA.1952@cpimsnntpa03>, "Dennis" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, >GP3 is pretty cheap, pick it up and check it out! I don't drive any of the >other sims for cars though I used to do IndyCar[CART whatever] in its forms. >I really like having the telemetry and find it useful for just about every >aspect of setting a car up. Gearing, spring rates, ride heights, these are >probably the items I look at most. After a car is drivable I find it useful >to evaluate laps. A look at the trace showing the cars speed with corners >taken differently makes it easier to decide at where to go fast and where >not to. Its not always intuitive to see these things in a sim[or in real >life] and if you apply different "lines" and strategies to corners, the >plots will show whether late braking or carrying speed in a certain area is >helping on that particular lap. This can be difficult to see just by looking >at lap times as you may have not been consistent throughout the rest of the >lap and the change will indicate a wrong result. > >It works for the guys with real rubber on the ground.

I already have GP3(and F12CS). I've just never used the telemetry in it. It just looks like...well, lines on a screen. I haven't been able to gain any useful info. I figure I just don't know what to look for. I can see that my speed is lower than someone else's, but that doesn't really tell me how to go faster. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi Eldred, the most useful info in GP3 is probably the suspension travel values coupled with the ride heights. You want to make the car ride as low as possible in order to create more underside downforce without it hitting bump stops during cornering. It's pretty complex since spring rates, ARBs, ride heights and the bump stops determine whether the car is hitting them or not, but reading the traces gives you a good idea which part of the car needs the most attention. You can make a well handling car without the telemetry, but to get the most aerodynamic performance out of it, you will sure require it. -Gregor EldredP wrote:

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> > I already have GP3(and F12CS). I've just never used the telemetry in it. It > just looks like...well, lines on a screen. I haven't been able to gain any > useful info. I figure I just don't know what to look for. I can see that my > speed is lower than someone else's, but that doesn't really tell me how to go > faster. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi Eldred, > >the most useful info in GP3 is probably the suspension travel values >coupled with the ride heights. You want to make the car ride as low as >possible in order to create more underside downforce without it hitting >bump stops during cornering. It's pretty complex since spring rates, >ARBs, ride heights and the bump stops determine whether the car is >hitting them or not, but reading the traces gives you a good idea which >part of the car needs the most attention. > >You can make a well handling car without the telemetry, but to get the >most aerodynamic performance out of it, you will sure require it. > >-Gregor

Damn...reading that just gave me a headache...<g> See, *that's* why I don't use the telemetry... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> > writes: > >the most useful info in GP3 is probably the suspension travel values > >coupled with the ride heights. You want to make the car ride as low as > >possible in order to create more underside downforce without it hitting > >bump stops during cornering. It's pretty complex since spring rates, > >ARBs, ride heights and the bump stops determine whether the car is > >hitting them or not, but reading the traces gives you a good idea which > >part of the car needs the most attention. > > > >You can make a well handling car without the telemetry, but to get the > >most aerodynamic performance out of it, you will sure require it. > > > >-Gregor

Does GP3 still have the nasty torsionally-soft chassis of GP2? I was most put out when I tried to reduce roll by stiffening the *opposite* end of the car, and it didn't work... Jonny